BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 11:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AZCPBTZvsg&feature=fvsr

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 11:38 PM

"Horse and auto racing? "

I heard that stat on NPR (National Public Radio) a couple of years ago. It was an insurance industry report I remember because it seemed so unlikely. But they explained that when a horse falls, which is very common that it falls on the jockey. The math is compelling. 1200 pound horse, 120 pound man who starves himself to minimize his riding weight. Also there just aren't that many men making a living as Jockeys.

Pro auto racers are even more rare. An Indy driver died this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 09:44 PM

Jockeys

Jockeys on the plain

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 08:35 PM

Horse and auto racing?

Yer shittin me buddy... keep diggin. Have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 07:32 PM

The most dangerous sporting occupation is as a jockey. The most deadly is auto racing. Are they cruel, primitive & nauseating?

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 07:02 PM

In my early youth I learned about boxing from an instructor that taught kids. I used to attend fights at various arenas with him. There is an art here. There is a difference which has become obliterated, that of a boxer requiring physical skill with coordination and footwork and a fighter, someone who just ploughs his way with only brute force and without much skill. Apparently Ali and Joe Louis were both fighters and boxers.

As for blood sports, it seems to me that football is worse for it's brutality although
I'm not a fan of either sport, boxing or football.

What is really cruel, primitive and nauseating is how some cops are treating
Occupiers and students.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 01:34 PM

No offense, but when someone takes a swipe at me I deal with it, one way or t'other.

No offense taken, but if I don't take your advice please don't be offended. I haven't asked for it. I don't need it. You do what is right for you. I will do what is right for me OK?

Gnu. You didn't read what bigblock wrote did you? The moderator thought it offensive enough to delete, yet it was an attack on a group.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 08:54 PM

No offense, but when someone takes a swipe at me I deal with it, one way or t'other. I agree with Gnu. It's easy to be tough. It's better to walk away. Always was, always will be, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 23 Nov 11 - 08:15 PM

JtS... "No they are NOT comments on the human condition. They are criticisms of groups of people. If you are in that group they are criticisms of you."

Yes they are... that is the thrust of the OP. That is the debate. It is not a personal attack. It is an attack on the morals of a society which allows and promotes violence. Your attempt to personalize the thread as being about you is unjustifiable.

Again, I think you are are a good guy, but you are way off base on this one. It ain't about you. It's about boxing... read the title of the thread eh b'y???

Maybe you should start a new thread to discuss YOUR hypothesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 11:51 PM

Oh, okay, I see what you're referring to. We have no argument here, Jack, I thought you were talking about something else.

I found Bigblock's vanished comment so hilarious in its blustering idiocy that I kind of miss it now that it's gone. I think he was attacking not just one individual here, but pretty much all of us collectively, dreadful leftist unregenerate limp-wristed war-hating unpatriotic hippies that we are! I'm being humorous when I say that, Jack...but NOT at your expense, I hasten to add...my comments about Bigblock have nothing to do with you whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:59 PM

Little Hawk, It seems that at least one moderator agrees with my opinion that it was a personal attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:57 PM

No they are NOT comments on the human condition. They are criticisms of groups of people. If you are in that group they are criticisms of you. Bigblock was pretty much being as offensive as he could without naming an individual.

The only difference between insulting a person and a group is the size of the group. The group could be the whole world, or that part of the world that supports boxing, or the foppy limp wristed coward bitching sick hippies on this thread, Or just you and me or just me. Its still an attack and if you are in the group, the attacker intends you to be in the group it is an attack on you and an an attack like that is personal.

If some twisted mid western car nut drove his detriot land yacht though the front window of a crowded Wendy's do you think the families of the victims would forgive the guy because the victims were chosen for the place and the time of day they chose to eat fast food?

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:32 PM

It can't spell either, though it may come back and say it, "pethetic" was a typo.

Genes? Nope you're not getting any of mine, humankind is fad, a fashion trend, it'll never last....

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:30 PM

Hmmm. Well, possibly. Generalized attacks are just a comment on the human condition, aren't they? That doesn't necessarily translate into a personal attack on some individual....but it could if the poster was intending it to.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:22 PM

I think bigblock is arguing my previous point. About generalized attacks being personal, albeit generalized.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 10:09 PM

Har! Har! ;-D Another hilarious post. Look, man, I long ago refused to contribute any of my genes to the gene pool, because I'm not impressed with the general scene out there. It's mostly stupid and in vain. It leads nowhere that I would wish to go. Therefore I've kept my genes all to myself, and I'm quite happy with that arrangement.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 09:26 AM

add to the list of "music injuries"

The Sandy Denny Story....

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 08:35 AM

""The scratches in Yoko Ono records are moments of relief"". -S.A. Sachs

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 08:09 AM

Spaw - Thanks for the best laugh I've had here in some time! My heart goes out to poor Mr Lipschitz.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 07:27 PM

I am sorry that I missed you addressing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 07:24 PM

I addresed that before JtS. For you to bring it up again is rather odd. And kinda disturbing. If that is all you have to offer, and I really don't know why you would, gnightgnu to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: kendall
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 07:24 PM

Larry had the best jab in the business.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 06:56 PM

I am NOT for banning the broadcast of boxing.

I am for "watching it again."

like this guy!


Pound for pound... Duran... the "no mas" was not about being sick to his stomach. It was about being sick of the referee. And I agreed. As near as I remember??? I'd have to watch it again.

Kendall... ya forgot to add Larry Holmes as the best technically well trained fighter ever... the man was flawless in execution EVEN when he lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 06:46 PM

Oh my. Music injuries? Hahahahaa. Yer crackin me up. Pun intended.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 06:16 PM

Interesting stories on Music "injuries"

The Doors
The Janis Joplin Story
The Hank Williams Story
The Johnny Cash Story
The Elvis Presley Story
The Jimi Hendrix Story
The Amy Winehouse story.....

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 06:07 PM

Interesting articles on football and brain injury, helmet or not:

Gilchrist

An Ordinary Football Game


football player Dave Duerson


Footballers brain


Football, anyone?

Game changers?




Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:48 PM

If you make the point of violence in the media leading to violence in the general subject then the subject of Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll needs to be addressed.

Speaking for myself here. I lost a lot more brain cells following the example of say Keith Richards (as one of dozens of such examples) than I did following the example of George Foreman.

Is Madonna a proper roll model? Is "Lady" Gaga? how about Amy Winehouse?

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:45 PM

Spaw... O NO!

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:44 PM

"when was the last time a musician, by perfoming, placed someone into a coma, caused irreversible brain damage, brought on premature Parkinson's disease, or made someonne in the audience a paraplegic? Etc"".

Only last year I watched "X-Factor". I came round about 2 weeks ago. What happened to 2010?

And if anyone doubts the irreversible brain damage I would only point to the rest of my postings...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:32 PM

Yeah, well, Spaw, I forgot about that case. Point taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:31 PM

""Get it off TV... broadcast TV or pay per view or internet or whatever. It's dehumanizing. ""

Good luck with having your way with that, Gnu.

No maytter hard you post, leave and return to this thread, how many "fucks offs and such offs" you throw around, you will never reach those lofty grapes.:)

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 05:21 PM

""when was the last time a musician, by perfoming, placed someone into a coma, caused irreversible brain damage, brought on premature Parkinson's disease, or made someonne in the audience a paraplegic? Etc"".

Actually, in 2009, a retired Jewish pants presser named Ezekiel Lipschitz living in Pittsburgh was found in a comatose state in his basement. Taken to the hospital, a complete examination was performed and doctors at Allegheny General reported Mr. Lipschitz had reduced brain function and showed signs of Parkinson's disease. The lack of brain functions also affected his nervous system other ways and doctors could find no nerve signals to his lower body suggesting that he will also be a paraplegic should he recover from the coma.

A neighbor and friend, Gladys Blatz, had been with him the night before and told police she had left him about 8:30 the previous evening after telling her he intended to listen to the collected musical works of Yoko Ono. Doctors now expect he will not recover.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 04:46 PM

""when was the last time a musician, by perfoming, placed someone into a coma, caused irreversible brain damage, brought on premature Parkinson's disease, or made someonne in the audience a paraplegic? Etc"".

""Cant count the times, last time, or the people involved. It's called drugs (light, heavy, and others), and has been known to follow certain forms of music, concerts and music groups around. At least with boxing, only two are potentially impacted""

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:43 PM

Get it off TV... broadcast TV or pay per view or internet or whatever. It's dehumanizing.

One more time... dog fighting and cock fighting and bear baiting and gladiators and feeding humans to lions... baiting humans to fight each other. WTF?

I was accused, I believe, of not discussing this subject rationally and logically. I think I did, at times. Anyone who doesn't think so, please bring forth your arguenments against what I have just offered for discussion AGAIN. That is... do you believe that human bloodsports are any different from dumb animal bloodsports simply because you THINK that these young humans have a CHOICE? Surely, if they had a choice, they would opt for not getting punched in the face and risking DEATH? Come ON EH?

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:19 PM

"Get the gratuitous violence off TV"

For the most part boxing is off broadcast TV. It is on subscription services, HBO, pay per view. One has to go out of one's way to get it. I have to go to a friend's house. As for video games and other "gratuitous violence" you have to go only slightly less out of your way for those, basic cable, buy the game. Or you can see it all on the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:05 PM

"Get the gratuitous violence off TV"

Now, if that happened the first to go would be the news programmes

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:01 PM

Drive it underground and get if off TV. Get the gratuitous violence off TV and out of video games. Use the media to educate rather than to "entertain" people with, and incite people to, violence.

Oh... wait... not a hope. That's the way the poor suffer and die and the rich stay rich. Rather naive of my to even suggest it eh?

Yeah... that COULD be considered a trolling type post and definitely thread drift but it's the way I feel about things.

And, I still reserve the right to leave and not post any more in a huffy-hissy fit and then come back and state my feelings again. Deal with it. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 02:53 PM

I hate to be the one to tell you this BTNG, but Spaw, knows enough Latin to be pulling your leg. I don't think he tried to specifically. You just seem to be excessively literally minded.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 02:49 PM

BTNG said......

"catspaw49 it's not my problem you only speak English it's yours, I simply prefer not to live my life ingnorance of other languages. "

I can see from the way you spell "ignorance" that you don't mind being ignorant of a lot of other things besides your lack of knowledge about hominy. Now I can see you don't know jackshit about hominy 'cause you never have told me what kind of hominy that hominem is. Or is that the Latin word got grits?

I can also tell by reading this thread that there are quite a number of other things where you don't seem to mind sharing your ignorance...........maybe it has to do with some kind of language since you seem to prefer Latin.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 02:18 PM

"drive boxing underground? Sure thats where it was over 100 years ago"

Through the late nineteenth century, boxing or prizefighting was primarily a sport of dubious legitimacy. Outlawed in England and much of the United States, prizefights were often held at gambling venues and broken up by police.

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Doing a wee bit of googling, I came upon this interesting snippet:

An English court case,   in 1882 found that a bare-knuckle fight was found to be an assault occasioning actual bodily harm, despite the consent of the participants. This marked the end of widespread public bare-knuckle contests in England.

The judgement ran as follows:

R v. Coney (1882) QBD 534 is an English case in which the Court for Crown Cases Reserved found that a bare-knuckle fight was an assault occasioning actual bodily harm, despite the consent of the participants. This marked the end of widespread public bare-knuckle contests in England.

The case also found that voluntary attendance as a spectator was evidence that could be put to the jury to support a charge of aiding and abetting the assault.

Could boxing being driven underground happen again?
Yes if we allow "The Aunties" among us to tell us what is and what is not good for us.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 02:05 PM

...drive boxing underground? Sure thats where it was over 100 years ago

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 01:07 PM

that should read,in ignorance of other languages

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 12:57 PM

catspaw49 it's not my problem you only speak English it's yours, I simply prefer not to live my life ingnorance of other languages.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 12:25 PM

Or millions of dollars, or any money at all, to sing and play music.

Refresh my memory: when was the last time a musician, by perfoming, placed someone into a coma, caused irreversible brain damage, brought on premature Parkinson's disease, or made someonne in the audience a paraplegic? Etc.

(Madonna excepted, of course)

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 10:08 AM

Toenail growth: cruel, primitive & nauseating.

In a world that claims to have advanced beyond the stone age how can we allow it to go on?

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:56 AM

I nominate this thread as the one most akin to discussing tonail growth.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:39 AM

200 !!!!

200 posts about nothing Bwahahahaha!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:38 AM

Or the Republic debates. Though there is evidence that some of them show up senseless. Even the "sane" one forgot how long he had been married.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:28 AM

""Millions of dollars to beat another man senseless""

Yes, and, it's called football and hockey.

Subject: RE: BS: Boxing; cruel, primitive & nauseating
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Nov 11 - 09:02 AM

Or millions of dollars, or any money at all, to sing and play music.