BS: Iowa People and the Election

Subject: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 04:11 PM

In the continuing search for information this morning on Fox I watched a group of about 30 Iowans at some kind of Q&A thing. I don't know the host/moderator but he led the people to commit themselves to certain candidates along with the reasons.

Most of the people said that Newt Gingrich was their man, that he best typified their values...

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 04:32 PM

Iowa has a split between city and rural; most country folk will vote Republican, more in the cities will vote Democratic.

The Newt espouses some middle-of-the-road conservative values, hence attracts mid-America; Romney suffers from his LDS family background, although most Mormons are middle-of the road conservatives too.

Obama got 54% in Iowa in 2008; I don't think he will do as well this time.

McCain spoke against the agricultural subsidies, which hurt him in Iowa. I don't think the Republican hopefuls are making this mistake this time around.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 05:14 PM

My MSNBC is off the news stuff today so I went for my weekly sampling from Fox and found the same thing as Ebbie. These somewhat normal looking and seemingly nice middle class folks were being led through a discussion by Republican/Fox pollster Frank Kuntz. I think the women were even more terrifying then the men. When it was over I ordered a supply of weapons and ammunition along with supplies.

These fuckers are absolutely nuts! If they come for me I want to be prepared!!!!

Completely appalling in the extreme........


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 05:47 PM

Somewhat normal looking and seemingly nice middle class folks who would agree to appear on Fox.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 06:13 PM

Remembe: these candidates & voters are the best and brightest- the flower and crown of creation of the Republican Party.

Reminds me of one of my favorite bumper stickers:
Portrait of Abe Lincoln with the words:
"Its my party, and I'll cry if I want to".

Of course, none of the Iowa dolts would understand it.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 06:45 PM

I'm glad to know that normal people agree with my assessment with those 'best and brightest'. My spine curdled.

A couple of weeks ago a commentator- Republican, I believe- said something that made me smile. Regarding Gingrich's chances of surviving a closer look at his record, the commentator said, cautiously: "I agree that Newt has a target-rich environment."

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 07:38 PM

Who would you choose from Gingrich, Cain, Bachman and Perry if none of the above were not an option?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 09:22 PM

"None of the above" is ALWAYS an option.

Do you think we might get Stephen Sondheim to allow the 2012 Republican campaign song to be "Send In The Clowns"?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,Ebbie
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 09:41 PM

Which one would I choose if I had to?

* Bachman, when she makes sense, is consistent in her views. That said, thinking of her at the state's helm is beyond scary. She is simplistic, rigid, mean (in the US sense) and blinded by her own rhetoric.

* Perry - well, I wouldn't wish him on anybody. He is self-righteous and dishonest with himself.

* Cain- huh?

* Gingrich- he is probably closest to what I think of as being European-acceptable. I think of Europeans as being accepting of personal flaws and failures as long as their leaders deliver.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 11 - 10:23 PM

how did Bix Beiderbeck vote?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:14 PM

When this thread was started, no one was even considering Ron Paul. Now it looks as if he's the frontrunner.

I listened to a bit of Clear Channel today (Limbaugh and that group). They are frothing mad about Ron Paul. Their strategy used to be "Don't mention him and maybe we can freeze him out," but now it's full-fledged attack. They are scared shitless that a Romney/Gingrich won't be allowed to continue the Bush/Obama doctrine of destroying America.

This is so damned amusing. Ron Paul is the only anti-war candidate out there, and he'll possibly win tomorrow. But of course, they've announced the vote count will be done at undisclosed locations, for security reasons. I love it. Make criminals act like criminals.

I still hope Ron Paul forms a third party and reaches out to someone like Kucinich.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:28 PM

Songwronger... interesting, to say the least.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM

Kucinich and Ron Paul 180 degree opposites on everything but war...

No way...

Paul is a cranky old Lyndon Larouche wack job and Kucinich is a progressive...

As for Iowa??? Paul has the best organization but...

...Republicans everywhere just want Obama defeated even if it means national suicide... They don't care...

My prediction: Paul, Santorum and Romney

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:14 PM

Amazing! 37 voters from the cornfields will have a major influence on the national election! What if we just ignored them? I mean, like if the news media just reported on REAL stories instead? Would they shut off the valve for our corn? Corn is way over-produced, anyway. F***ing corn syrup is in almost all produced foods, and is a great health issue.

I grow bored and hungry for actual news. Not that so much of it is good, anyway.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:33 PM

Oh, this is a real news story. The Democrats and the Republicans are now pretending that the Iowa results aren't that important. That PROVES it's a big story. If Romney were in the lead the media would be saying that the nomination process begins and ends with tomorrow's caucus.

Paul has a lot to recommend himself. He's anti-war. He's a medical doctor with 3 decades of experience in congress, voting along constitutional lines. He, like the founding fathers, wants to avoid foreign entanglements.

Paul's support is coming largely from disaffected voters in the independent and Democratic parties. He's a phenomenon. A constitutionalist. I hope he kicks the snot out of Romney tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:41 PM

"Amazing! 37 voters from the cornfields will have a major influence on the national election! What if we just ignored them?"

What if they held a war and no one came? I have grown to like you very much, Saul. Keep it up.

As for those who are still crowing about Obama: Did he or did he not remove the fundamental principle of all law, Habeas Corpus?

I await an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:51 PM

What Bobert said some time back. "I agree with 20% of what Ron Paul says, absolutely. The other 80% scares the shit out of me." Or words to that effect. (I think this has been/is being discussed in another thread, yes?) Furthermore, just how much of his, um, "agenda" could he ever really get into law? Really???

Constitutionalist? In what way? Let's remember that the founders did not mean for the Constitution to be rigid for posterity. They engineered into it the process for ammending it. Lucky for us. Since then women and African-Americans have become "people," and 18-year olds got the vote. Among other ammendments that demonstrate progress in thinking and values. (Of course, there was that silly business of prohibiting and then allowing the sale of alcohol. But whatareyougonna do?)

But I haven't yet heard a good argument as to why 37 (OK, maybe 43) people should have such influence on a national election for a country of over 300 million.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 09:17 PM

"But I haven't yet heard a good argument as to why 37 (OK, maybe 43) people should have such influence on a national election for a country of over 300 million."


Here's why. (Youtube video.)

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 09:55 PM

I agree with wrong-man, 100%... I hope that the Republicans nominate Ron Paul... That will be "The End" of the Republican Party 4-ever...

I mean, he's the grand wizard of the KKK...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:21 PM

Obama, the Peace Prize Winner, is a mass murderer. He supports the lynching of blacks in Libya. Ron Paul was against the invasion of Libya.

As far as the end of the Republican party, it's no longer needed. Obama is enforcing all the austerity that Democrats have feared from the Republicans over the years. Obama's cutting heating programs for the elderly, health care for kids... He promised austerity and he's delivering. Lynching blacks too.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:22 PM

Delusional post, wronger...

Pee in this cup...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:35 PM

BTW, wronger... I guess that Obama kidnapped the Lindbergh baby and killed JFK, too...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:21 PM

Well, if he did he won't be called to account for it. He wiped out the need for Habeas Corpus.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:38 PM

I've seldom seen a more loyal and obedient servant of the ruling Oligarchy of Special Interests than Mr Obama...and he talks so brilliantly while he does it! He talks way better than former willing and obedient servant George Bush ever did. He sounds soooo bright and reasonable! I predict he will win another term handily and that the Republican candidate this time will just be a sacrificial lamb such as is trotted out to maintain the illusion of having a real democratic choice in an election...sort of like Mike Dukakis was back in the 80s. Remember him?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:09 AM

Well, LH, that would at least be less disastrous for the world including the USA than any Republican (and particularly than the current crop of Republican wannabee leaders).

In the meantime, I suggest a traditional song for them.

ALl to gether now.

"To see mad Tom of Bedlam..."

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:30 AM

As to the question of who I'd pick if there were no "none of the above" choice. Gingrich....

Bachmann, Perry and Cain would stumble along in ignorance, doing great damage for several years. Gingrich at least knows how it all works, and like Nixon, would keep the wheels on the rails...but like Nixon, he'd eventually do something totally illegal, and we could impeach him....

(Ron Paul would ensconce Rand in some high office, and together, they'd totally dismantle the working parts OF government.Then China would call in it's loans and take over.)

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:52 AM

You really think ANY of them Republican bozos are gonna get elected this time? I don't. The APP is gonna make monkeys out of all of 'em (strictly metaphorically speakin', you understand...). They ain't got a chance.

The only real impediment to gettin' the APP to win the next election is Obama. I know for a fact that he is thinkin' about makin' it illegal for apes and monkeys to vote, to form public gatherings, and to marry! He is a closet specist of the worst kind! Don't be fooled by the nice face and the gentlemanly manner. This guy does not like apes or monkeys one bit. If he could, he'd make us all go back to Africa or lock us all up in zoos and experimental labs and drain us of our vital fluids.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:49 PM

My prediction:

1) Santorum (Rupert Murdoch has endorsed him, so how can he fail?)
2) Paul
3) Romney

(Actually I expect that Romney will be second- but his being third would be an interesting twist. As they say, this is all very entertaining.)

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:13 PM

I've got to agree with Bill D. The only one of this lot who isn't a complete incompetent is Gingrich. At least, when he pilots the Ship of State onto the reef, he knows what he's doing, contrary to the others.

If ANY of these ginks win, I may just move to a civilized country, say, one of the Scandinavian countries. I have distant relatives in Sweden.......

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:25 PM

Gingrich is the star and hero of a movie the script for which he wrote himself.

He has a pretty tenuous grip on reality, and is just as dangerous as the other clowns -if not more so, as he's a tad less completely incompetent - he just specializes in different areas of delusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:45 PM

I've got to agree with Greg, too.

(Gotta check into getting a passport.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:46 PM

Canada's too close for safety, eh, Don? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 03:38 PM

Canada? We got a leader that you TRUST? Stevie 1?

Heck, I didn't even trust Jean toward the end. Last guy I aboslutely trusted was Pierre. Give me a Pierre every time... this country could use some common sense and some balls. He had that and more.

Yes, I know Saint Tommy, and others... I said "last" guy I trusted.

And, now, back to our regularly scheduled program. You Yanks seem screwed no matter what. And, Trickle Down theory means it will trickle down to us and I don't mean just Canuckistan.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 03:44 PM

Maybe. I've been to Vancouver eleventy-fourteen times, Victoria a couple of times. My son and his significant other live in Ottawa, but they're moving to Victoria sometime soon.

Spent some time in eastern Canada. I had a sister who lived in Kingston, Ontario. My nephew, lead guitarist with the Tragically Hip (Bobby Baker, the tall guy with the long hair).

But if the U. S. of A. implodes, I think I'd prefer to be somewhere on the other side of the planet.......

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 04:09 PM

Don... "My nephew, lead guitarist with the Tragically Hip..."

He is fantastic! I LOOOVE The Hip. I once describe them to a Brit buddy of mine as U2 on steroids.

Now, this isn't the best version of New Orleans but it's "raw", improvised, and I love it. Warning... some lyrics in this version are graphic.

My FAV Hip.

BTW... they did this tune long before Katrina.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 05:47 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean about the USA imploding, Don. One feels pretty uneasy about that when living in Canada. It's like being next door to some gigantic predatory animal, and hoping it doesn't get too hungry.

I might opt for Norway or Sweden too, in that case.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:16 PM

Could this night be the beginning of a Ron Paul America? An hour to poll closing. Of course they've already announced that the tallies will be done in undisclosed locations, for "security" reasons, and the tabulating company is foreign-owned, so expect a "Romney miracle."

But in a Ron Paul world, five cabinet-level positions would be eliminated (including the cancerous Dept of Education). Foreign aid would be slashed, leaving ticks like Israel to fend for themselves. Foreign military missions around the world would draw down, and the troops brought home could defend our borders.

Sounds pretty sensible and moderate to me. Amazing that the Dems and Reps work together to try to make such a plan sound "right wing" and radical.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:26 PM

"...the tabulating company is foreign-owned..." WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:27 PM

Even the Mephistopheles can come up with things that appear quite attractive, if he can get you to go along with his ultimate aims.

Ask Faust.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:33 PM

(Scratch "the" before Mephestopheles) -- DF

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:49 PM

Yahoo search. Take your pick of sources:

Iowa vote count israeli

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 09:38 PM

Our nearest and dearest will fu#k us over the minute it becomes necessary for their comfort. To quote Kissinger, "Countries don't have friends, they have interests."

The very fact that Iowa residents--all forty of them--can be talked onto a show of that nature simply indicates that the Republicans are near the bottom of the barrel. That is not a reflection of or about people from Iowa--the state Radar O'Reilly was from--but rather a brief snapshot of how low Republicans will go to project the image. They have shown themselves to be panderers, simpletons and sluts. They have no loyalty to their own country. What they have is an alliance with those who've bought them. Protect your own interests and the rest will take care of itself.

IMO, the problem America faces in the coming election is not who the Republicans front; rather, it will be who the Democrats put out there. IF it is Obama, your Republic will be lost. He has not got the balls to be your leader.

Presidents do have a certain authority. One of those perks is that they are Commander-in-Chiefs of some bad-ass dudes. Namely Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force, Public Health Service Commissioned Corp, Coast Guard and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Commissioned Corps. Within the various branches are Special Forces troops with whom one does not want to mess.

That stated, I fail to see why Obama did not exercise the power he has on behalf of Americans. He said he'd close Guantanamo. So, what's the problem? Yer the President. You say it's closed, it is goddammit closed. Anyone got a problem with that, take it up with these men and women who will cut you a new a$$hole if you disagree and say no! These people here, known as the military-might of the biggest and most powerful country this world has ever known, will kick you sh#tless.

Wha--some Homeland Security person has decided that you can't do that. Oh, really? Some bought-off sonuvabitch in congress is going to make your life miserable. Oh, really? Some CIA executive has decided your legal wishes don't meet with his approval. Oh, really?

YOU got elected and thereupon entrusted with the future of your country. Do your job. The Secret Service will cover your ass and ensure you wake up tomorrow. Your job is to ensure the rest of your citizens wake up tomorrow. DO YOUR JOB!

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:18 PM

Where's Harry Truman when you need him!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:55 PM

Hi, Don. A story I read about Harry is as follows.

His wife played piano. She also sang. (Kendall Morse may have to correct me on this.) After a recital, a newspaper writer gave her a very bad write-up that ranked with 'Last night the XXXXXX Symphony Orchestra played Beethoven. Beethoven Lost' kinda review. Harry was quoted as saying, "If that sonuvabitch ever comes here again I'll punch him in the nose."

He may have been the last President to actually mean 'The Buck Stops Here.'

############################################

I was reading some of your older posts--I do that from time to time because I think you are both a good/fine/meaningful writer and a dynamite thinker--and wondering what kind of guitar you play. I would be 'chuffed' if you'd tell me your ten favourite songs. I figure you're as old as dirt, and because I'm only 64, I guess I have time to maybe learn the songs.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:18 PM

Bruce, you're close. It was actually Truman's daughter Margaret, not his wife, who sang. It was Truman himself who played piano. I don't remember that Bess did.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:21 PM

Bruce, I believe that was HST's daughter Margaret perfoming a singing recital and the critic was Paul Hume, if memory serves. You got the most important "...punch him in the nose part." right, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:36 PM

I thank you both, very much. I'd remembered it as some sort of great story, but I've hit an age . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Tunesmith
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 07:59 AM

I just watched part of a Romney speech on BBC tv here in the UK.
America - and the rest of the world - will be in big trouble if that nutter gets elected!

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 08:16 AM

Any facts to support your opinion?

Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 08:42 AM

Brucie is entirely correct... These people are doing nothing but parroting whatever BS their donors want them to parrot... But the scariest part about this is that with the "Citizens United" mis-decision by the activist Robert's Court those donors don't even have to be Americans... That's right... There is nothing in the Robert's Court ruling that prevents China, Russia, Iranian, Pakistani or even al qeada $$$ from becoming partial or entire owners of our representatives...

Think about that...

B~