BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48

Subject: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 11:15 PM

la times.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 12:44 AM

The dumbass looked confused...........He won't have an easy time in prison either.....

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Janie
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 01:12 AM

Sigh of relief.

I know several people who were sexually abused as kids who went to the police as older adolescents or young adults and were not believed. The disbelief was based, at least in part, on the stature their abusers had in their communities.

This highly publicized trial of a prominent figure, as well the outcome, has huge implications for healing and validation among more people than most of you might imagine.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 01:43 AM

Pedophiles in prison don't last long. Where they send him will say a lot about his life expectancy.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 02:15 AM

Janie ~~ Unfortunately, we have had some disagreeable cases here in UK of people either falsely or imaginatively making retrospective accusations of abuse against people who had known them in childhood which have been later disproved. Also some [google ·South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal·] where social workers had believed third party accounts of abuse having taken place even when the children concerned denied any such, and children have been taken needlessly and distressingly into care and their parents placed in positions of great danger.

I make no comment on this instant Sandusky case; but as to the cases you refer to in your first paragraph where later accusations were 'not believed', these things are not always absolutely open-and-shut, and it doesn't do for all such 'recollections' to be unquestioningly believed.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 02:18 AM

One hears about troublesome teenagers deciding to try to get a teacher fired by making claims of inappropriate behavior or touching. And sometimes they get away with it. One would hope that investigators can tell the difference between real claims and false claims. After careful consideration and investigation.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 02:35 AM

What both SRS and MtheGM say is true but that must NEVER stop us from suporting those who are genuine victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 03:46 AM

MtheGM, as far as I remember the South Ronaldsay case involved allegations of paedophilia.....the sexual abuse of babies and very young children, by members of their own family.

This case, like most of the priest abuse cases, seems to concern teenage boys or youths. Simple sexual assault.

Why do some here rush to cast doubt on the victim's evidence??
Agenda driven perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 05:55 AM

Ake ~~ I explicitly stated that I was not commenting on this instant case, but responding to what seemed to me far too wide a generalisation by Janie, which seemd to suggest that any allegation must be prosecuted by the authorities; was pointing out that in cases like S Ronaldsay, Cleveland, Rochdale, &c, this turned out to be a disastrous assumption. Read my post again, please.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 08:59 AM

I hate to put words in Janie's mouth, but I believe her point is that all allegations of sexual assault on children must be *investigated* thoroughly and with as much professional rigour as possible by the police and other appropriate authorities.

When such allegations are investigated and disproved, the wrongfully accused has suffered a grave wrong but emerges vindicated. (If only the news media would pay as much attention to dismissal of charges in these cases as they do to the laying of the original complaint.) More importantly, however, a rigorous investigation shows that allegations of child sexual abuse are addressed like any other report of a serious offence.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:01 AM

Unlike us, the jury had the time to weigh all the evidence presented and they concluded Sandusky was guilty of 45 of the 48 counts. The system can work, even in a high profile case, and he will spend the rest of his unnatural life in prison.

What I find sad is that it took so long for justice to catch up with him. No doubt there are many of Sandusky's peers who will carry their "guilt" to their graves as well, their guilt for not acting on their suspicions of his behavior or for covering up his actions. And there were probably more victims who failed to identify themselves in this very public case.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:13 AM

Akenaton: "This case, like most of the priest abuse cases, seems to concern teenage boys or youths. Simple sexual assault.
Why do some here rush to cast doubt on the victim's evidence??
Agenda driven perhaps?"

Because the 'so-called liberals' in rushing to show they are so 'hip' and 'open' don't want people to connect the FACT that when a priest or someone like Sandusky molests and rape boys, that is is still a manifestation of homosexuality....I mean, well it was having sex with people of the same gender....not exactly the same as pumping a watermelon, or sucking off a carrot....and the 'so-called' liberals are always looking for and 'underdog' to champion their distorted view of 'civil rights'....even if the victims don't matter.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:25 AM

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Monsignor William Lynn helped the Archdiocese of Philadelphia keep predator-priests in ministry, and the public in the dark, by telling parishes their priests were being removed for health reasons and then sending the men to unsuspecting churches, prosecutors argued in a landmark clergy-abuse trial.

A jury agreed, making Lynn the first U.S. church official branded a felon for covering up abuse claims.

Good. And in the Sandusky case, let's not forget that there was testimony from those who were adults at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:53 AM

I freely admit my ignorance but how does the word "instant" apply here?


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Janie
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 10:13 AM

Michael, I am well aware that sometimes people are falsely accused and falsely convicted.

However, with 20+ years experience of listening as adults work through the pain and shame arising from the complex trauma of childhood sexual abuse, I am very comfortable standing by the post I made above. I am not generalizing.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Janie
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 10:15 AM

Charmion, you got my drift exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 10:54 AM

The South Ronaldsay afair was not within one family and did not only involve very young children. There was eventually and at a totally seperate time a proven case against the father of one family Involving rolling a two year old round inside a barrel of nettles for wetting the bed, whether the charge also involved sexual abuse I do not recall.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 11:04 AM

Spaw ~~ I use the word 'instant' in the sense of 'relating to that case which we are directly addressing in this particular instance.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 11:27 AM

Please, everybody; don't even bother to respond to the total twisting of what anyone here has said or implied by the two usual suspects. The last thing we need is more times around the merry-go-round.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 01:14 PM

"Because the 'so-called liberals' in rushing to show they are so 'hip' and 'open' don't want people to connect the FACT that when a priest or someone like Sandusky molests and rape boys, that is is still a manifestation of homosexuality....I mean, well it was having sex with people of the same gender....not exactly the same as pumping a watermelon, or sucking off a carrot....and the 'so-called' liberals are always looking for and 'underdog' to champion their distorted view of 'civil rights'....even if the victims don't matter."

There are a few problems with that post, GfS.

There are liberals who post here who do not see Sandusky's civil rights as being more important than the child's rights. Indeed, I don't think anyone is angry about the verdict. What happens at sentencing will determine where people stand.

Conflating two issues--that of priests/ministers/cult leaders with Sandusky--is a method of slinging crap, not a good way of making an argument. The victims do matter. I think people who do that shit should be tried in criminal court regardless who they are.

I do not think it is an issue of homosexuality as much as it's an issue of power. Statistically, children are safer with homosexuals than heterosexuals. The research seems to indicate such.

"Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994)."

from http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 01:52 PM

999. Guest GfS doesn't mean any of that garbage. She is just trolling to see whose buttons he can push. It got a detailed reply from you. I am sure that it would have rather it been Bobert. Don't expect any kind of new information or reasoned argument to have any lasting influence on him. It might pretend to agree with you. But the next time she sees a chance to push "liberals'" buttons it will.

By the way, I keep switching pronouns because He/she/it has complained to me in the past over the use of each of those pronouns in referring to said party. The gist seems to be that she hasn't told me what he is so I can't use pronouns. It seems like it is simply looking for one more way to prove that it is "sane" and the rest of us are not.

How is that strategy working? I wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 01:55 PM

I am no expert but when anyone preys upon a weaker person in any way I am all for punishment and rehab. This case makes my blood boil. Something else that does the same is hearing that this piece of human trash will be preyed upon in prison. If he is allowed to be abused and killed in prison, I am equally dismayed as I believe it to be cruel and unusaual punishment. Far better that he rots* in jail until he dies, if the sentences add up to such. Yes, I know that sounds even more cruel than death but I think the proven crimes warrant such.

*Has many, many, many days to reflect upon his transgressions.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 02:29 PM

I think that maybe a lot of the talk in this country about what happens in prison to particular types of offenders is just that. I believe that the prison authorities will know if he is in danger and take the necessary precautions. I doubt that he is any more danger than any man of his age and background going to state prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 03:04 PM

And so far all we know from the Jury's decision is that Sandusky is a pedophile, not whether he is a heterosexual or a homosexual.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 03:07 PM

gnu, you gave voice to one of my major concerns about our US "system" of "legal" penalties for felonious behavior, before I could.

Quite independently of my outrage at sexual assault on children, or at many other criminal behaviors, I am equally outraged by our society's apparent condoning (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, chortle, chortle) of prisoners being allowed to be beaten, raped, and even killed by other prisoners while the authorities look the other way (if they're not actively participating in the assaults.   When was the last time someone in the US was officially sentenced to being beaten or raped?   Or to be killed for a non-capital offense?

Sure, a lot of us may feel that a child molester "has it coming" when s/he gets gang raped in prison.   But, aside from the fact that some convicted criminals are in fact innocent, or that some felonies (e.g., possession of cocaine or marijuana) hardly merit physical beatings, rape or execution, if the law has specified that the person's punishment should be imprisonment - usually in anything but a "cushy" living situation - it is outrageous for the de facto punishment to include all sorts of things that would be Constitutionally prohibited.

Even in Sandusky's case, unless he dies relatively soon of a heart attack or the like, he will be punished pretty severely by having lost his reputation, his comfortable lifestyle, and his freedom.   And the longer he lives in prison, the greater his punishment will be, even without our prison system and our society allowing, condoning, and even being gleeful about how we delight in participating vicariously in brutal behaviors that dehumanize all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 03:36 PM

/////Because the 'so-called liberals' in rushing to show they are so 'hip' and 'open' don't want people to connect the FACT that when a priest or someone like Sandusky molests and rape boys, that is is still a manifestation of homosexuality....I mean, well it was having sex with people of the same gender....not exactly the same as pumping a watermelon, or sucking off a carrot....and the 'so-called' liberals are always looking for and 'underdog' to champion their distorted view of 'civil rights'....even if the victims don't matter.////

I agree. A man who rapes boys IS homosexual as well as a pedophile. But it's just as true that a man who rapes little girls is heterosexual as well as a pedophile. Gay pedos understand the liberal tendency to defend homosexuality at all costs as use it that way.

France's culture minister in the Sarkozy government, Frédéric Mitterand, nephew of the late socialist president François Mitterand, wrote in his 2005 autobiography, The Bad Life, of his journeys to Thailand to procure the sexual services of boys:

"I got into the habit of paying for boys...All these rituals of the market for youths, the slave market excite me enormously.

"One could judge this abominable spectacle from a moral standpoint but it pleases me beyond the reasonable."

And:

"The profusion of very attractive and immediately available young boys puts me in a state of desire that I no longer need to hinder nor hide...as I know that I will not be refused."

Mitterand has staunchly defended filmmaker Roman Polanski over his conviction of having sex with a 13-year old girl in America in 1977 (which is not technically pedophilia). Mitterand refused calls to resign saying that he had not paid for underage boys but rather young men (in other words, he used a poor choice of words) and that he is gay not a pedophile.

IOW, because he is gay, he cannot be a pedo which is, of course, horseshit but try to explain that to the PC crowd and it's shocking and amusing how many of them will lose control of themselves and accuse you of being "one of these evil people" because you have dared to disagree with them.

In fact, they show themselves to be as hung up sexually as the far right conservatives they are endlessly lambasting. There is, in fact, no difference between a lefty and righty--they are the same animal. The huge gulf of difference is only in their minds. In actions and behavior there is no convincing distinction to be made.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: CET
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 04:47 PM

As a defence lawyer I don't have a problem with professional rigour. I wish there was more of it. Several of my clients would never have had to undergo a trial if the police had shown any.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 05:00 PM

For what it's worth, I asked a guy who was in Canuck fed pen about the sex. He said no, tThat it was a bunch of jokes on late night TV. Sure, you could have sex if you wanted to but rape just didn't happen. A myth. Same goes for killing and beating. It may happen but it is extremely rare and the perps suffer DIRE consequences in longer sentences. It's hype. And I assume we all know that anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: CET
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 05:28 PM

But not a myth, I think, that child abusers are in danger in prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 07:16 PM

Jim Bakker was raped more than once while he was in prison.   Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered in prison by other inmates.    There are quite a few other well documented cases of prisoners being beaten up, raped, and even killed by guards or by other inmates, in the US anyway.

But even if the incidence is way overblown in movies and crime-related TV shows, the fact that so many of us joke about it, talk about it with such relish, and accept the depiction of our 'best' law enforcement agents as using or condoning such tactics is appalling.

There's good reason why we don't sentence people to be drawn & quartered or publicly flogged, etc., or beaten up or raped.    It has more to do with our own character and that of our society than with what any particular heinous individual "deserves."

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 07:36 PM

Jim got raped? You got a link? Inmates killed by gurads? You got a link?

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:35 PM

999, When I use the term, 'so-called liberals' as opposed to 'liberals' I'm differentiating between the lame wannabes, who jump on any bandwagon, who are looking to crusade for any 'cause', as opposed to those who think it through, but are really liberal...without being stupid.
Josepp and I agree with pedophiles, being both pedophiles AND either hetero or homo....I mean, people that prefer sex with the same gender, are homosexuals, as opposed to those who have sex with the opposite sex. A pedophile is a pedophile, no matter what sex they may have it with.
...and as far as Sandusky, good riddance!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:40 PM

Don't much understand the "liberal" ramblings but...

...the "good riddance" works fir me... One sick sumabich...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:55 PM

when a someone like (fill in the blank) molests and rape girls, that is is still a manifestation of heterosexuality....I mean, well it was having sex with people of the opposite gender.

What we have here is a couple of people so hung up on their own agenda that they have manufactured imaginary defenses of Sandusky's
heinous behaviour out of thin air.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Joe_F
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 10:29 PM

All power tends to corrupt.

Subject: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of child rape
From: Genie
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:44 AM

gnu, no I don't always have "links" for things I know about, because a lot of those things happened well before everyone was so readily connected via these internets. In the case of Jim Bakker, I saw an interview with him on TV, where he talked about having been raped more than once while in prison.    Other cases, like that of Jeffrey Dahmer or others who were beaten up, raped, or killed by inmates or guards, have been reported in news articles over the years (decades), and I don't have specific references at my fingertips. I guess you can either do your own research, believe what I'm saying, or just decide not to. I don't have a great need to convince you.
The main point is, regardless of how often that kind of criminal behavior occurs in prisons while we as a people look the other way or condone it, I am appalled at the attitude I so often hear expressed, that this is fair, just, and delightful.    Even when a serial predator like Jerry Sandusky might be the victim of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 02:53 AM

Why does it not surprise me that Frogprince can't tell the difference, when it has been explained to him several times by different posters?
Nothing to do with an 'agenda'....more to do with his agenda, and a blockage of understanding, due to it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 03:26 AM

I think we are all agreed that this man is a pervert of the lowest order.
Also, Genie makes the very sensible point, that as a civilised society we should not condone the illtreatment of prisoners while in custody, they should face the approptriate punishment handed down by the courts.

The only reason i responded to this thread, is that members here seem to be seriously confused over the meaning of the word paedophilia.
It is important in these cases to understand which crime is actually being committed.

The sexual abuse committed by priests, football coaches and youth leaders which appear in the papers regularly are linked in two ways. The fact that these men are in a position of trust and have access to vulnerable young folks....and that in the huge majority of cases the crimes are committed by men against young boys who are over the age of puberty.
It seems to me that although access has some bearing on the crimes, sexual orientation must play a very large part.
That in in no way an attempt to excuse these disgusting (or sick) people of their crimes....but simply clarification of what is actually hasppening.

As i have said many times, genuine paedophilia is actually extremely rare and usually only practiced by people with severe mental disturbance.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 11:43 AM

/////The fact that these men are in a position of trust and have access to vulnerable young folks....and that in the huge majority of cases the crimes are committed by men against young boys who are over the age of puberty/////

So is homosexuality more likely to produce men who pray on boys? Or are homosexuals most likely to first maneuver themselves into positions of trust in order to procure unlimited access as opposed to heterosexual males who attempt to procure girls which appear to be largely crimes of opportunity? I have no idea. You tell me.

/////genuine paedophilia is actually extremely rare////

Define "extremely rare." I would hope it is less prevalent than men who attempt to have sex with people under the age of consent but I don't know if that means it virtually never happens which is how I define extremely rare. I think it probably happens fairly frequently but is exceedingly difficult to prove and has probably landed many innocent people in prison.

Also define "genuine pedophilia." Do you mean pedophilia as legally defined or do you have your own standard? Usually, it is meant as someone with an interest in prepubescent children. Was Sandusky a pedo? Some of his victims appeared to be as young as 10. I would call that pedophilia. Even 13 can be pedophilia if the victim hasn't yet passed through puberty.

Girls at 13 or 14 generally look something like women. They have womanly figures and are within the height range. To men who are attracted to them, they probably appear to be nubile young women easy to manipulate. Girlish women rather than young girls. Such females are not that far from being women in that by 16, she is done growing. Boys on the other hand do not really look like young men at 13 or 14. They still look like boys. They do not hit their growth spurt until about 16.

Girls develop faster than boys in that age group. I remember in junior high, a lot of girls were taller than me. When we got to high school, I was taller than them. While some boys can grow facial hair in their teens, you rarely see it in boys at 13 or 14. Boys don't stop growing until they are about 18. I couldn't grow facial hair until I was in my early twenties. Now my damn face is quite hairy.

So having pointed all this out, I think pedophilia is likely more common in homosexual men than heterosexual men.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:20 PM

"In the case of Jim Bakker, I saw an interview with him on TV, where he talked about having been raped more than once while in prison."

I'm not doubting you at all. But Jim Bakker spent many years asking little old ladies to send him their life savings so that he could do "the Lord's work." He was convicted of spending much of that money on frivolous things, like fancy cars, houses and jewelery for himself and his wife. He is not the most credible man.

Ask yourself, Would he lie about such things for sympathy?
Would he lie for donations?

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:24 PM

I found this in a Google search. It is on topic.

BAKKER: No. No, I've -- in prison I would have people write me and say, "I hope you die in prison." I got one letter said, "I hope you're raped by the biggest" and the ethnic slur "person in prison."

KING: A real religious person.

BAKKER: Yeah, but they did. And they'd sign it, "I love God," you know, "so don't judge me, but I hope you die in prison. I hope you're raped in prison." And those really -- it was like I was dead. You wanted more out of this corpse.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:37 PM

He gave new meaning to the old response, "He's in the doghouse." For that alone will history recall his name.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 04:45 PM

josepp wrote So having pointed all this out, I think pedophilia is likely more common in homosexual men than heterosexual men.

You're entitled to your opinion, but since pedophilia swings both ways, and there are more heterosexuals in the world than homosexuals, I think it's a safe bet that you're wrong.

Every so often porn sites will try to lure in new users by putting porn links on totally unrelated photos - click on the innocent photo to see it larger and land on a porn site instead. I was searching for an image a couple of years ago and landed instead on a French page with a close photo of intercourse between an obviously full-grown man and a tiny girl - I'd guess the age of 4 to 6. Of course we don't see her face to see her shrieking or unconscious. Or his to indict him. Go into "private browsing" and look around josepp, I'm sure you'll find a lot of both. But I think you make a mistake in trying to layer the illness of pedophilia onto the attribute of one's sexual preference in an adult context.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 06:10 PM

I think the Priests and others simply make the abuse of boys more famous. There is also opportunity. Men don't generally get trusted to work alone with girls in orphanage, and scout troops etc. I think Sandusky would have been immediately reported to the law if found alone in a shower with a girl the same age. There would be no other plausible explanation. It would have to be considered abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 07:00 PM

Sigh

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Genie
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 11:22 PM

Jack, you make an excellent point re men like Sandusky and many priests who sexually abuse underage boys.    Men have more opportunity to be alone with boys in settings like locker rooms and the recesses of churches without raising the suspicions of others than they do to be alone with girls in similar circumstances.   That fact alone could explain why Sandusky's victims (as far as we know) were all boys.    A lot of the hazing and "horseplay" that goes on in men's locker rooms, for example, may not be sexual in nature but physical enough and violative enough of 'normal' social boundaries that it allows a sexual predator to "test the limits" of what will be tolerated or even encouraged by the recipient.   There aren't a lot of settings where an adult male could wrestle with underage girls, flip their butts with a towel, or even be present in the girls' locker room while the girls were changing or showering. Who knows what direction Sandusky's lust for adolescents might have taken if that were not the case?

Paedophilia, clinically defined, is sexual attraction to prepubescent children, as has been pointed out. An adult having sex with young adolescents who have developed at least the outward appearance of sexual maturity or well on the way to it is "pederasty."    As undesirable as pederasty may be from a societal perspective and in terms of its effects on the adolescents in question, its motivation is neither abnormal nor pathological in itself; it is biologically quite normal for adult humans to be sexually attracted to young humans who have just reached sexual maturity or have the appearance of having done so.    (Big difference between finding a post-pubescent 16-year-old boy or girl sexually attractive, if you're an adult, and acting on that attraction.)

In Sandusky's case, it appears that at least some of his victims were not prepubescent "children." So I'm not sure whether a psychiatrist would classify his egregious behavior as a sexual perversion or just despicable behavior (comparable to his having committed statutory rape of teen-age girls).

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 01:31 PM

Has the guy any convictions for abuse of young girls?
If not he is obviously only attracted to youths.
What was it? 45 separate convictions? this is not an isolated case, men who prey on young boys seem always to be serial abusers and this ties in with the very high promiscuity rates amongst homosexuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 01:40 PM

akenaton

I admire your single minded focus in the face of all opposing arguments and logic. You are like "The Terminator" of debates.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 03:44 PM

"logic" in these threads?   you must be Jokin' Jack!

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 04:05 PM

I was joking about the "The Terminator." thing, not about the logic. But in your defense, I have seen no evidence that you know what logic is.

(That was another joke.)

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 04:52 PM

Genie... understood and accepted.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 05:30 PM

Right Jack, the guy's been convicted on 45 counts of homosexual assault and rape, that's the ones which have been reported(there are probably many more), yet you and others here find it "logical" to extrapolate that it has nothing to do with sexual orientation?

Now that is a better joke than your last!

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 05:41 PM

Omnisexual?

Humans of all sexes and ages, chickens, goats, warthogs, knot holes in fences, bagels, etc.

Not specifically "homosexual."

Don't let your homophobia run away with you, Ake.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 05:46 PM

"men who prey on young boys seem always to be serial abusers and this ties in with the very high promiscuity rates amongst homosexuals. " akenaton 25 Jun 12 - 01:31 PM

"has nothing to do with sexual orientation?" akenaton - 25 Jun 12 - 05:30 PM

"always" to "nothing"

in one unexplained leap.

Tell you what. When you can reconcile the differences in what you say over a period of just four hours, I'll consider the "logic" of what you say to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 07:27 PM

Does anyone here have a PhD ? And has had a chance to examine Jerry Sandusky? Because the rest of y'all are just pissing in the wind.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:30 AM

IMHO Most people have said nothing that requires s PhD. Most are expressing their opinions as such. You have done the same. I guess. Welcome to the pissing contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 02:33 AM

Sandusky insists that he is innocent of the charges.

Question: Is it possible that he really believes that? Is there a medical condition outside of outright madness that would let him believe that?

Or is he simply saying that there was no rape involved, that "they" asked for it? I know of a man who insisted that the four year old girl he was accused of molesting was "coquettish and far older than her years".

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:51 PM

My own point of view is that I don't care what he believes as long as he is never allowed the opportunity to do it again. Also I am reminded that he has been lying to basically everyone he has encountered for what? 40 years? What is one more lie?

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 03:05 PM

Mine is an objective question, JtS. Is there such a medical condition?

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 03:24 PM

Self delusion?

I have spent the best years of my life giving people the lighter pleasures, helping them have a good time, and all I get is abuse, the existence of a hunted man.

Al Capone

    As quoted in How to Win Friends and Influence People (1936) by Dale Carnegie, p. 26

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 03:33 PM

That quote from Capone is funny, as in hilarious. Point of view is everything, isn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 03:38 PM

Thinking of Jerry Sandusky in terms of the Capone quote, I think there is a good chance that Jerry Sandusky had convinced himself that the good he was doing for the children at least outweighed the bad he was doing. He might even think the boys enjoyed it. Excuse me, thinking about this is making my stomach churn. Lets go back to....

My own point of view is that I don't care what he believes as long as he is never allowed the opportunity to do it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 05:55 PM

Bloody hell Jack!

Read these two posts again.....then try it with your eyes open....all will become clear to you.....in time.

Subject: RE: BS: Jerry Sandusky convicted of 45 of 48
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:44 PM

Yes it is clear. You are a jackass.