BS: Wimbledon 2012.

Subject: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 04:45 PM

Federer Murray Final. Who do you like?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 05:04 PM

Like - both of them

Think will win - Federer probably.

BUT he'll have a hostile crowd and he's not used to that, so maybe, just maybe.....

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 06:18 PM

Talk about taking your chance, great effort from keep-calm-and-carry-on Marray to win the Wimbledon Men's Doubles. And, 10 years on, my poem "Musing on Wimbledon - Summer 2002" - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/walkaboutsverse-195-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 06:27 PM

GO MURRAY!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 06:28 PM

Who, Gnu?!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:30 PM

Your fellow Briton.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:32 PM

The Scot?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:33 PM

He's playing some Swiss guy in the men's final tomorrow?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:34 PM

Is this annoying yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:49 PM

I'm very impressed at some of the women - women putting in first serves in the 120s!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:55 PM

I think the Daily Sport deserves a mention for its coverage of the lady players gussets. thank heavens we are a sporting nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 06:18 AM

I was impressed and pleased for Williams. After what she went thru over the past 4 years or so, I felt her joy in her amazing comeback.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 06:50 AM

I'd be happy for the first president of a Republic of England, or the next Archbishop of Canterbury, to be a female, but I much prefer ladies playing TABLE tennis, which puts far-less stress on the arm - as I suggested in verse, after visiting "Eastbourne": http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/walkaboutsverse-156-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: fat B****rd
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 07:39 AM

I think it's a great thing if Dunblane has something to be happy about.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 01:47 PM

Ah, the Scottish dude lost. The British dude reached the final.

Just how you phrase things that's important...

Federer upped his game at the crucial time. He is a wonder to watch at times. Murray was good in the final, but to get that trophy, you have to beat an in form Federer. That's tough, but made for a good game to watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:17 PM

Murray has not got the right temperament, Federer is ice cool and unemotional, Murray is too emotional and gets annoyed etc. Still best British player for a long time though.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:56 PM

Hi Dave

< Murray is too emotional and gets annoyed etc >

Up until thid year I would have agreed with you. This year however under the coaching of Ivan Lendl, kept his head and rarely appeared to get annoyed.

He played well for lost of the tournament but today he was just not good enough to beat Roger Federer who is now - rightly - the World No 1 player.

IMHO Murray is not aggressive enough in his play and a bit like Tim Henman before him he has no 2nd serve to speak of.

Murray must improve this part of his game if he is to become a Grand Slam Winner.

He showed a lot of courage and did his best - but in the circumstances was just not good enough.

He is still only 25 so he has time to improve.

Federer is a worthy champion and a fine ambassador for the sport of tennis.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 03:18 PM

Hard to find fault with Murray's game today or his heart. He lost a close match (only 4 service breaks in 4 sets) to the best ever who was really at the top of his game. A great match to watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 03:45 PM

second serve is crucial, a good strong second serve is needed to win.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 04:01 PM

They even have "gussets" in the Times these days Al.
"Disgusseting!!!!".....Oh sorry, that was the Sport

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 04:07 PM

Yes, GSS, and I think it's good to "sometimes put your second-serve in first and, sometimes, put your first-serve in second - e.g., at 40-love" (http://davidfranks.blogspot.co.uk/p/extras-on-football-tennis.html).

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 04:34 PM

Murray has improved his temperament but, sadly, not enough. He did get rattled, many times, and that eats away at one's game. Federer was a rock and I could see in his eyes he knew he was going to win after that long deuce. Hardly broke a sweat after that. When an opponent slams his racket on the ground in frustration, it's a done deal and Federer knew it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 04:43 PM

Yes, Gnu, Federer also gets emotional OFF court, but during play he is very cool and calm - Borg-like.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 11:41 PM

True ~~ but half the time McEnroe would beat Borg, wouldn't he? 14 matches during their career; in head to head winnings, there is a tie betwen McEnroe and Borg.

So you can't really lay down a hard & fast principle of it. Some stay calm & win steadily; some get emotional & angry & psych themselves up to winning that way. The first way possibly works more often, but by no means invariably.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 06:21 AM

...I certainly don't recall men crying off court as much as they do these days; nor so many females with masculine tattoos.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 06:47 AM

Hope Murray benefited from the extensive English support at Wimbledon, as in the past he has been proud to say that he cheers on any football team who are playing against England.......

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 07:00 AM

...now he has an expensive property in Surrey, England.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: clueless don
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 09:19 AM

The blancmange won.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 10:09 AM

perhaps we should ask for a re-count...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Acorn4
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 10:17 AM

Murray is getting mentally stronger - MacEnroe coul hardly be described as ice cool.

People aren't taking the piss nearly so much, if at all, as they did with Henman's bottling on the big occasion.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 12:52 PM

I look at it like this:-

Federer is a foreigner, so he was cheating - they do this invariably.

Federer conveniently overlooked the rule that said - all Swiss people should carry a cuckoo clock, at all times. So Federer's sly underhand tactic of not observing this rule never really gave the Scotch bloke a chance.

We need less biased judges with not such a literal and narrow interpretation of the rules.

Federer than what exactly. His name makes no sense, this alone should mean instant disqualification.

Also, a foreigner - Federer's wife probably doesn't shave under her arms. And that is not the sort of thing we should be encouraging.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 12 - 01:09 PM

I thought Murray played very well. He HAD to keep the ball off Federer's forehand and his "kicker" serve was quite effective sometimes.    At one stage Federer looked very rattled with some very wild drives and serves - but he got it back together and a couple of his drop shots wore works of genius. He was also better at the net when he worked out how to approach. Murray was probably stronger on the backhand crosscourts but repeatedly overcautious on passing shots and his lobbing was imprecise.

The closing of the roof gave Federer a possibly decisive advantage in that the absence of wind increased his opportunity to drive for the line

IMHO what would have won Murray the match would have been the ability to pull out an occasional first serve like Mike Sangster - it's not necessary all the time and it would not have had to go in all the time, but the mere possibility of it would have prevented Federer from standing so far to the left on receipt of service and that in turn would have stopped Federer running round the backhand to make a forehand drive (something all beginners are taught NOT to do) as often as he did.


I am surprised how much of a clay-court-style game the leading men seem to play much of time today (although it is I think where the Borg-style topspin looping forehand comes from) - and the different racquet grip largely adopted is very noticeable.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 04:06 AM

Big Al is right, how dare Johnny Foreigner come here and win our trophy's

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 04:44 AM

the absence of wind increased his opportunity

I find the absence of wind a great help when performing.

Al mentioned Federer cheating by not carrying the obligatory cuckoo clock (not Swiss, of course, but Austrian) - but this was more than compensated for by Murray not holding a Scotch egg while serving.

Makes all the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:10 AM

Most likely originated in S Germany, according to wiki. Augsburg [Bavaria] & the Black Forest [Baden Wurttenberg] specifically mentioned as early cuckoo-clock manufacturing regions.

It was Harry Lime, allegedly in an impro-speech by Orson Welles in The Third Man, who brought Switzerland into it as the prime candidate country. Or perhaps not...

Anyway, if Sharapova always shrieks & that other one whose name eludes me whoops, why doesn't Federer yodel? And Murray exclaim 'Hoots, och aye', for that matter? Tho yodelling was probably of Tyrolean rather than Swiss-Alpine origin...

Oh, it's all too much, too confusing ··· Think I'll go back to bed!!!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:16 AM

Anyhow

---Origin

The London department store Fortnum & Mason claims to have invented Scotch eggs in 1738,[1][2] but they may have been inspired by the Moghul dish nargisi kofta ("Narcissus meatballs").--- wiki

So what the hell is supposed to be Scotch about them anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:24 AM

BTW ~ perhaps this the place, rather than the Mudcat Poets thread, to repro a poem I wrote a few years ago~~~

SHAяAPOVA                

Oh If Only She'd Had A

Baboushka

To Say —

Maяoushka

If you don't
Stop it
I'll get the haiяbrush
Out

And give you something
To Shяяяiek
About!!!
               Michael Grosvenor Myer·Wimbledon 2008

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:33 AM

I cannot abide all this blubbing and snivelling that goes on these days. People weep at any and every opportunity. To see a grown man, a sports icon, crying in front of the world because he didn't win a tennis match is sick-making. He played well, he didn't win, that's sport. Get some moral fibre for goodness sake!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:48 AM

Yes. Remember Becker a few years ago, when asked in tones-of-woe what happened and what he thought of having lost, replying, "What happened? Why, I lost a game of tennis that's all. Nobody died! There wasn't a war!"


~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:04 AM

... but I must add my voice [there's letter in this morning's Times about it] to the detractors of the present system whereby players must submit to instant on-court interviews. It is no time for the egregious Sue Barker [a fair-enuff anchorwoman to be sure, but egocentric·or·what!] to be give full rein for one of her look·at·me-trips and to hell with what the players might be feeling.

Everyone knows, of course, that the telly is the whole point of the tournament, don't they! But even so ---

This mandatory contractual obligation should be done away with.

NOW!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:38 AM

I agree totally, M. it's similar to those terrribly intrusive journalists who stick a microphone under the nose of some poor unfortunate and ask "And how do you feel knowing your daughter has just been murdered?"
This weeping business though... I picture my dear old father and his fellow airmen, who faced the most appalling traumas and horrors during WW2. They would've died of shame rather than blub or snivel. And one might say they at least had every reason to do so!
I'm dreading the wretched Olympics. There will no doubt be a veritable lake of tears then!

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 07:39 AM

I'm surprised they haven't been offered counselling, the poor dears.

Good job rugby players don't do it, mind you footballers do.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 06:59 PM

Andy Murray
Theres no need to worry
When Wimbeldon comes
We watch the girl's bums
But big sweaty blokes
Don't interest most folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 11:58 PM

Reminds me, that: is it my imagination, or did this year's cameramen have more of a penchant than usual for shots down the cleavages of the young ladies crouching forward to receive serve? Anyone else notice this?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 12:49 AM

Not getting any?

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 11 Jul 12 - 12:17 PM

The instant interviews have now made it to the F1 podium. It's cringeworthy at the best of times IMHO...

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 06:14 AM

"I cannot abide all this blubbing and snivelling that goes on these days. People weep at any and every opportunity. To see a grown man, a sports icon, crying in front of the world because he didn't win a tennis match is sick-making. He played well, he didn't win, that's sport. Get some moral fibre for goodness sake!" (Eliza)...then, on the BBC, Andrew Castle saying how "dignified" Murray's runner-up speech was.

Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon 2012.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 05:13 PM

...my poem "Tears" - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/walkaboutsverse-150-of-230.html