BS: Birther update

Subject: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:04 AM

"America's toughest sheriff" concludes probe:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/18/arpaio-claims-obama-birth-certificate-is-fake/

Romney spokesman says Hawaii isn't part of the U.S.:

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/238377-romney-surrogate-obama-was-in-hawaii-smoking-something

Of related interest:

http://www.newsmax.com/US/bachmann-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrating/2012/07/17/id/445620

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:41 AM

Whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:48 AM

Oh, please, no more of this demented "birther' bullshit! I've had about as many of those fuckwits as I can stand.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:05 AM

Ditto what Greg said.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:13 AM

You think it just might be a smokescreen because the Obama Campaign is whipping Mitt's butt?

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 01:41 PM

I think it's a smokescreen because Sheriff Joe down in Phoenix, who's behind it, is up to his eyeballs in various investigations -- including sexual assault charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 02:56 PM

Still a maverick:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/john-mccain-defends-huma-abedin-against-michele-bachmann-173234184.html

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 03:42 PM

His unimpeachable witness is 92 and signed the original certificate. sigh

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 05:58 PM

You mean "95."

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:22 PM

It's not even relevant where people are born, providing they are natural born citizens on account of their parentage.

These bizarre fools don't even know their own constitution...

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:36 PM

Absolutely true.

But in two-and-a-half years of political and news-media infotainment on the subject, I can't say that I've ever heard anyone point this out. It always comes down to "was he born in Hawaii or in Kenya"?

Obama's mother was an American citizen by birth who had lived all her lifein the United States. So far as I know, his father's British citizenship should have no legal bearing on the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 07:40 PM

I think Mudburg needs Lighter to provide his birth records...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: mg
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 08:29 PM

There is a stipulation that mother has to be 18 I think or 21..whatever it wsa she was under it. People are not necessarily fools. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:13 PM

I'm tempted to say, "You've got to be kidding," but instead I'll just inquire as to the source of this stipulation. First I've heard of it.

It doesn't matter anyway, since Obama was clearly born in Hawaii. But you brought it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:49 PM

Cut-and-Paste, but it contains the relevant information, which some folks seem to be unaware of or do not understand very well:

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Anyone born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Anyone born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Anyone found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

For the enlightenment and education of those who may be in doubt.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:26 PM

You can be a citizen over 35 and not be eligible for President. You can even have been governor of Michigan or California and not be allowed to run.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:41 PM

I'm surprised the birthers haven't said something like, "Okay, we admit that Barack Obama was born in the United States But how do we know 'Barack Obama' is really who he says he is? Maybe he's a Kenyan who's usurped Barack Obama's identity!"

Once one adopts a position which requires accepting an absurd proposition as truth, rejecting that proposition and accepting one of even greater absurdity is as easy as changing one's Bugs Bunny underwear for Daffy Duck.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:58 PM

The birther issue is a joint Democrat/Republican venture intended to divert attention from Obama's policies. He just signed an Executive Order that will turn the internet over to the Dept of Homeland Security in an "emergency," but here you are talking about where he was born.

Obama's an America-hating freak, same as George W. Bush. The Bush family was never de-Nazified after the war, and the Obama family is just a bunch of penny ante hucksters that got fast-tracked into the bigtime.

The Obama Machine has obstructed justice by hiding his alleged "records," though, and Obama should face legal action for that. If that crackhead was a law professor then my dog can sing opera.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:01 PM

And none of you knows anything about Obama's past, so how can you form an opinion about it? His records are sealed. You can't prove where he was born one way or the other. Look at what partisan propagandizing has done to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:00 AM

"Obama's an America-hating freak, same as George W. Bush. The Bush family was never de-Nazified after the war, and the Obama family is just a bunch of penny ante hucksters that got fast-tracked into the bigtime.

"The Obama Machine has obstructed justice by hiding his alleged "records," though, and Obama should face legal action for that. If that crackhead was a law professor then my dog can sing opera."

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Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Songwronger - PM
Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:01 PM

"And none of you knows anything about Obama's past, so how can you form an opinion about it? His records are sealed. You can't prove where he was born one way or the other. Look at what partisan propagandizing has done to you."

Songwronger, I suggest professional help. Look at your last two posts. You say that we know nothing about the President's past, etc. What in the world makes you think you are entitled to inform us?

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:51 AM

A birther told him.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 02:15 AM

Songwronger and a couple of others who inhabit these threads are consumed with an irrational hatred for Barack Obama

Ranting and raving inspired by such hatred is a really ugly thing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 02:51 AM

And boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 08:35 AM

To quote Mad magazine:

"Some say he was born deep in the African bush; others, on a far Pacific island. Who is this man of mystery and what strange power [etc., etc.]."

For a full and nonpartisan biography of the Mystery Man, based on interviews and documents, read David Maraniss' recently published "Barack Obama: The Story" (N.Y.: Simon & Schuster, 2012).

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 08:41 AM

People are not necessarily fools. mg

But its pretty safe to assome they are if they spout nonsensical bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:53 PM

The irrational hatred is dyed in the wool racism pure and simple. It's obvious so many of the haters/fear-mongers are really saying "get the nigger out of the White House." So much fear causes so much hatred. It's sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 01:14 PM

You are absolutely right, Kat...

I left another website because less than 48 hours after Obama had been sworn in there was a statement by one of the other members that the Obama administration was the "most secretive in history"... This after less than 2 daYS???

So i challenged that individual and all I got was code talk, which having been born in the South, educated in the South and lived most of my life in the South I had learned all about... So I posted about "code talk" and, boy, did the racists go ballistic...

The worst part about this is that they don't even see themselves as the racist that they are... But make no bones about it, to those of us who were part of the civil rights movement, we know all about racism, be it overt or subtle...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:04 PM

It's bad when you see "churches" with billboard saying "Take back the White House."

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:58 PM

Have I not been paying attention all this time and didn't notice, or are huge numbers of the American population getting stoopuder?

Don Firth

P. S. Well, no, I guess it's always been this way. It makes itself especially evident as we approach yet another election.

P. P. S. But I don't recall the general level of mean-spiritedness being as high as it seems this time around.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 05:15 PM

Everything has been brought down to a sports level, Don... There has to be winners and losers...

Hasn't always been this way... Goes in cycles... But I will say that the polarization, driving by the right, that we see today is every bit as bad it was back in 1860, also driven by the right...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 07:11 PM

There is a stipulation that mother has to be 18 I think or 21..whatever it was she was under it. People are not necessarily fools. mg

If they believe rumours that there is any such "stipulation" which has any conceivable validity, they are at risk of sailing pretty close to justifying such a description.

(Incidentally your maths is out, mg - Not that that is in any way relevant: Ann Dunham born November 29, 1942; married February 2, 1961; Barack Obama born August 4, 1961. Not that that is in any way relevant.)

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 08:20 PM

But to those who put up the sign, it's not:

"Take back the White House."

It's:

"Take back the White House."


No?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,songbob
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:01 PM

The part about one parent's age in the one-US-parent-and-one-non-citizen case was in effect in 1961, but is not in effect now. Hence the confusion.

But he was born in Hawaii, so those stipulations are not important. The BS about the "fake" certificate is just BS. All versions of such documents are just copies, issued by state authorities who can examine the hospital records (which are sealed to casual examiners), and the same authorities continue to acknowledge that the pdf copies you see all over the Internet are true expressions of what's in those official, sealed records.

Anyone who pontificates (or froths, more accurately) about the forms being fake just don't understand that THOSE FORMS DON'T F*CKING MATTER!

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:08 PM

Don't hold back, Bob! LOL:-)

JohninKS, YES, that's exactly what THEY see and mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 09:01 AM

>The part about one parent's age in the one-US-parent-and-one-non-citizen case was in effect in 1961.

How sure are you even of this?

BTW, what's the other stuff about Obama's notoriously "sealed documents"? What documents? Sealed how and by whom?

Sounds like the Democraps (as they're called) couldn't find a real American Christian citizen who was dangerous enough, so they had to take a mysterious Muslim alien instead and con the voters into electing him. (If he was really elected: even the moon landing is pretty iffy to some people.)

Birtherism goes beyond racism. It's mental illness mixed with "It's in my head so I know it's true!"

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 10:27 AM

I'll send you all my Docs. in a letter.
Sealed With A Kiss.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Elmore
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 02:18 PM

Breaking News! President Obama continues to have been born in Hawaii.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 04:00 PM

Of course they still fly a flag with the Union Jack on it in Hawaii... The man's some kind of limey!

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 04:22 PM

So all those people...they're defying the Constitution...including the Second Amendment.

Ya know, they say Roosevelt...or Milo Minderbinder...staged Pearl Harbor to save his buddy Churchill...

Now it all comes together.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:02 PM

And Roosevelt, who managed to get all those regulations passed that ended the Depression, was hated, detested, and despised by the bankers and the Wall Street con-merchants who caused it and now could no longer mug the entire country.

They attacked Roosevelt by saying that he was a Communist, a Fascist, and a Socialist, and a traitor in general, and that he was part of the "International Jewish Conspiracy" to take over the United Stares, and insisted that his real name was "Rosenfelt." Then, later, they try to revise history by claiming that he ended the Depression by starting World War II.

What the hell!! I was a kid at the time, but I remember. The Depression was pretty well over by the time Pearl Harbor happened.

Birthers? The usual suspects and the usual foaming at the mouth.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, there were some flakey folks who, when Kennedy (a Catholic) was elected, had a hissy-fit and tried to claim that he was going to have a trans-Atlantic tunnel dug between the Vatican and the White House! Yup. A real Catholic-hater told me that, with his bare face hanging out! Un-bloody-real!!

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:23 PM

So you're saying it isn't any worse than usual....

But consider: in the mid '60s, mainstream Republicans like Richard Nixon wouldn't give the John Birch Society the time of day. Now their Tea Party descendants are far more numerous and therefore lots more influential.

It's so bad that when Romney told a fan this week that he "wouldn't use" her word "monster" to describe Obama, it was national news.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:54 PM

This is such a hateful thread. Why are you people so hateful?

And why do liberals feel so free to call black people "niggers?" You would probably argue that you do it in a rhetorical sense, but do you?

You liberals have argued for special treatment for blacks for decades. You've succeeded to the point where you now have a black man in the white house. But he's not YOUR black man. You wanted a "negro" there, but instead you got a hydra-headed CIA freak. And now you're mad. You should be mad at yourselves, but you're not mature enough to accept responsibility for your mistake, so you direct your anger at others. The sad fact is you put a monster in office. He's giving the poor people in America "austerity," and he's bombing the shit out of the poor in other countries.

Obama just signed the NDAA after he said he wouldn't (he claims the NDAA gives him the right to kill you if he wants to), he just issued the EPIC Executive Order, where he can shut down the internet if he wants to, and so on. A bad man. A very bad man, black, white or purple.

But you Pavlovian dupes have been trained to salivate over the race issue, so I don't expect you to see how bad Obama is. Obama = black, right? That's all that matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 07:50 PM

Thou art feverish.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 08:41 PM

No, lighter, I am NOT saying that it isn't any worse that usual. I'm saying that, given a similar situation, the greed-merchants and those who want to mug the whole country are back again with the slanders, libels, and attempts to appeal to the baser nature of people through their prejudices.

Those who rely on bigotry, hatred, and name-calling are crawling out of the woodwork again.

For illustration thereof, I give you Songwronger's post just above.

Drips with hate.

If they can't come up with real reasons and have to dip into the septic tank like that, then I'd say that's all the more reason to back Obama in his bid for re-election. Even if you don't like him all that much, take a good look at the alternatives!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 09:02 PM

You used to call blacks "negroes," didn't you, Firth? Fess up. I bet Ebbie did, too. And you can't teach old dogs new tricks, so you two still think that way. "How nice it is that we now have a negro president."

And keep your hate-speech to yourselves, please. You have offended me. I find your slurs vile, and they hurt my feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 09:39 PM

When I was a kid, Songwronger, there was a black family living a couple of houses down the street. Two boys and two girls. We used to play together. We were KIDS, for God's sake, and there were no racial slurs of any kind. One of the girls was going to college, and she used to stop in on her way home from school and she and my mother would have long chats.

"Negro" or "black" used to be a perfectly respectable—and respectful—words. Not racial slurs. I, for example, would be considered "Caucasian," or "white." I would not consider these terms to be slurs. In fact, until recently, these were terms used by academic anthropologists. "Nigger," on the other hand, has always been pejorative and offensive, and not just to black people.

And you will note, Songwronger, that I put these words in quotes.

The only times I feel it might be necessary to use such perfectly acceptable terms at all is for purposes of identification, such as, "Who is Mr. Doyle? He's the black man over there."

I see nothing wrong, or "racist" with this. The only hate speech here has been yours, Songwronger, and if you feel you've been offended and hurt, then that's your problem!

Yes, I have noted, as has anyone with eyes, that Mr. Obama is, indeed, black. I don't see that this should, in any way, affect his ability to fill the position of President of the United States. I AM aware, however, that there are many who feel that this is very important to them. And these people generally don't dare mention his racial heritage when they criticize his politics or performance in office, for fear that the real reason for their savage criticism will become all too obvious.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 10:39 PM

As Don Firth said, "Negro" or "black" used to be a perfectly respectable—and respectful—words." If you don't know, Songwronger (I DO hope you are a musician; otherwise I don't have much hope for you), I think you are probably too young to know what the aitch you are talking about. About most things, probably. At least, that is how you come across.

Speaking of the correct way(s) to speak, perhaps you don't know that "black" people nowadays tend to prefer the word to be capitalized, and they feel the same about White people. Just sayin'.

In my own experience I grew up in then-lily-white rural Oregon. I don't actually remember but I suspect that we/I said "nigger". (We also said "fillum" for film and "Colyum" for column, so let's face it, we were not the most sophisticated folks around.

When my family was planning to move to Virginia a girl asked me whether I knew what to call Negroes. I said, uncertainly, "Darkies?" She said, very seriously, No, you have to say "colored". That's what they want to be called.

So, you see, things - and terminologies - change. There is no way I would use or even think of using hurtful names unless I meant to hurt. At this point, I am willing to make an exception in your case, and to consider not worrying about hurting your feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 01:11 PM

"Caucasian" is a ridiculous term - unless you come from Ajerbaijan or thereabouts. Americans do seem to have some strange ways of referring to people.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 01:19 PM

Well, no, Kevin - I would think anywhere between Black Sea & the Caspian Sea would be OK as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 02:36 PM

Kevin, what you say about geographical origins is correct, but at one time, academic anthropologists used the word "Caucasian" as the "official" designation for the "White race," apparently under the assumption that this is the area of the world from which the "White race" originally came. This is not my idea. I didn't make it up.

This terminology is now considered archaic, with more recent ideas of what constitutes race or ethnic grouping, but to my knowledge, as yet there is little general agreement.

I'm speaking here about terminology used in academic circles. General terminology--used by non-academics--is pure chaos, and between the "PC police" and cautious pussy-footing, is a verbal minefield.

####

Personal anecdote about the "PC police":

Early on, when I acquired a 12-string guitar, I set about learning some of the songs recorded by Lead Belly, and tried to dope out the runs and such that he was doing on the guitar. One of the songs I learned in this process was "Black Girl." I learned the words from Lead Belly's record, but I didn't try to imitate his dialect. I just sang it straight out.

I included this song in my repertoire, and when I retired the 12-string and switched to using a classical guitar, I modified the accompaniment to fit and continued singing it from time to time.

Then a couple of people jumped my case about singing the song. Essentially, they told me that I had no right to sing it, essentially because I was the wrong color to be singing a song like that. [I've heard the same edict about white singers who sing the blues—which the PC police insist is "Black music." Let me ask: WHO, here, is the racist?]

At the same time, I heard a recording of someone doing the song, and they had dodged the issue, simultaneously removing it from its context, by changing it to "Little girl, little girl, don't lie to me. . . ." To my mind, they had castrated the song by "sweetening it up" like that!

So I dropped the song from my repertoire. But some years later, I met two young Black women, and separately I asked them to give me an opinion. Lynn was a singer, and although she did blues on request, she much preferred English ballads. She went up in flames at the idea that I shouldn't be allowed to sing the song. She said, "That's downright stupid! It's a good song, it tells a story, and you sing it with respect. Go ahead. Do it whenever you feel like it."

Rosetta was not a singer. She was a co-worker when I worked for the telephone company. After hearing me sing it, she said, essentially, what Lynn had said. "Ignore them!" was her verdict.

Neither of them found the idea of a White man singing this song to be offensive. I will take the word of these two young ladies over that of a whole regiment of PC police.

####

Anybody heard of Mitochondrial Eve?

Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived around 200,000 years ago, most likely in East Africa, when Homo sapiens sapiens (anatomically modern humans) were developing as a population distinct from other human sub-species.

The dating for 'Eve' was a blow to the multiregional hypothesis, and a boost to the hypothesis that modern humans originated relatively recently in Africa and spread from there, replacing more "archaic" human populations such as Neanderthals. As a result, the latter hypothesis became dominant.

So—sorry to have to tell you this, Bubba, but there is very little actual difference between you and all those n*****s you hate so much. Suck it up!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 03:34 PM

They also referred to black people as "Ethiopian". That seems to have lapsed on official forms, but "Caucasian" seems to linger on in some parts of the world, notably the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 09:40 PM

At one time, the official academic terms were "Caucasoid," "Mongoloid," and "Negroid," but in the light of relatively recent discoveries, such as "Mitochondrial Eve," I think these terms are essentially defunct.

My wife and I have been watching a continuing program on our local Public Broadcasting Channel entitled "Finding Your Roots," with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Each episode runs for a hour, and Gates traces the lineage of two or three people, including a few well-known people. He also does a DNA check, which proves to be most interesting.

A surprising (or perhaps not so surprising) finding is that almost all the African-Americans Gates has traced have a great deal of "White" DNA, traceable to European ancestors. These turned out to be Southern slave owners, many of whom, obviously, "had their way" with many of their female slaves.

The DNA tracing has also established that there is no such thing as "racial purity." We're all mixtures.

Those who complain about the "mongrelization of the races" are just plain out of luck. They'd better learn to live with the fact that what they detest so much already happened many millennia ago.

There is one race: the Human race.

And even that is a bit fuzzy around the edges. There are only a relatively few genes that make us human. I once heard on a science program about genetics that humans share over ninety percent of their DNA with the giant Sequoia—otherwise known as the California redwood.

Meet a few of your cousins:    Big suckers, aren't they?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 11:31 AM

"...the giant Sequoia—otherwise known as the California redwood."

Just for the record, the Sequoia and the redwood tree are quite distinct from each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 05:44 PM

Not to make a big deal of it, Ebbie, but—

Sequoia sempervirens is the sole living species of the genus Sequoia in the cypress family. Common names include coast redwood, California redwood, and giant redwood.

Probably MORE than anybody wants to know about our distant cousins.

Cheers!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 08:09 PM

"ALTHOUGH the giant sequoia and redwood are closely related, they exhibit many individual characteristics that distinguish them from each other. Perhaps the following major differences will help to answer some of the questions that may come to mind.

"Natural habitat.—The giant sequoia is found growing singly or in groups scattered for a distance of 250 miles along the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada in central California at elevations of 4,000 to 8,000 feet. The redwood grows near the Pacific Ocean along the northern California coast in a more or less continuous belt about 450 miles long and 15 miles wide. (See Distribution Map on the Inside Back Cover.)

"Method of reproduction.—Both species reproduce from seed, but the redwood is one of the few conifers that is also able to develop sprouts from cut stumps, roots, and burls.

"Foliage.—The foliage of the giant sequoia is scalelike and somewhat resembles that of the junipers; redwood foliage is in the form of two-ranked needles like the hemlock.

"Shape and size.—The giant sequoia is the largest tree in the world in volume and has an immense trunk with very slight taper; the redwood is the world's tallest tree and has a slender trunk.

"Cones and seed.—The cones and seed of the giant sequoia are about three times the size of those produced by the redwood.

"Woody structure.—The wood of the giant sequoia is much coarser in texture than that of the redwood, and growth rings of the redwood are wider. Both woods are highly resistant to decay.

"Color of bark.—The bark of the giant sequoia is bright reddish brown, whereas that of the redwood is a dull chocolate brown."

Like I said, Don: "distinct differences". *g*

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM

Okey dokey.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Birther update
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 08:58 PM

lol