BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?

Subject: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 05:20 AM

Are they not doing a Cristina Kirshner by diverting attention from Isael's social and other problems???

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 05:52 AM

"Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?"

More likely just people caught between tough choices. We know that if France started firing rockets--procured from a third party--into England, the British parliament would accept the attacks with stoicism and fortitude. Would that the Israelis exemplified the English character.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:00 AM

Gosh Neuf, are you suggesting that the Hamas organisation might be under the influence of the said third party are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:05 AM

We would probably send a gunboat and six marines over there to kick the shit out of 'em.

But then we don't have a forty year record of stealing their land and blockading their supplies, effectively besieging and later bombing the hell out of them, DO WE?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:12 AM

Nice try Don but no banana. Go spread your hatred on the other thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:16 AM

It seems to me that we in the west (at least, those of us who follow the news in papers and on the telly, etc.) only take notice of the plight of the Palestinians when they do outrageous things. In between times, they must think that we think it's great just to let 'em rot. Gaza is not France. It is a little patch of semi-derelict land that has been starved under Israeli siege and blockade for the last four years. You can't expect to make progress for your people whilst firing rockets, we sanctimoniously tell 'em. Well, they don't make progress whether they're firing rockets or not, do they. Their perception is that firing rockets gets them noticed and brings things to a head, and they're right about that. I ask you, though, what else can they do? That isn't to justify in the slightest the rockets, which are abhorrent. But, there, see, I'm falling into the trap of criticising Hamas for a recent flurry of rockets. I'm not mentioning illegal thefts of land, apartheid walls, institutional discrimination against Palestinians inside Israel, the unqualified indulgence of Israel by the west, the bankrolling of a massive and completely unjustifiable army that is in the hands of one of the most belligerent nations on earth in recent history... So whose fault is it? Israel's or Palestine's? Neither actually. It's ours.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:29 AM

I wrote much the same to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Steve. Don on another thread says that both Hamas and Israel share some responsibility in this. He was right on that thread. He's wrong on this one. However, I notice no one is talking about Iran's involvement either. Why so much quiet about that? Of such situations are world wars made. While I agree with much of what you've said, imo it's incomplete.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:37 AM

One can only negotiate with people who are willing to do so. More than one aim would help too.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians too, but they don't seem to do much to help themselves, and if reports are to be believed, artificial shortages are created by Hamas, and blamed on third parties, to stoke up resentment.Even Gaza itself is split.
Sit down and talk without any preconditions, just for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:43 AM

Two opposing organisations , both with an excess of Hard Liners leading them is a recipe for disaster !
What the Israelis have done to help the situation in the past has been either ignored or actively opposed by Hamas who have been bombarding Israelli civilian areas with assorted missiles for YEARS

Neither side is blameless - The Israelis are still building settlements where they have no right to a the Rockets are , in MY book , just terrorism

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:12 AM

"But then we don't have a forty year record of stealing their land"

You mean like the British did in North America....and they still haven't left.....the bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:19 AM

has been starved under Israeli siege and blockade for the last four years.
Not true.
Not starved.
No blockade of food or any other civilian requirement.
Only any restrictions at all because Hamas chooses to be at war with Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:30 AM

After WW2, should Europeans of Jewish faith have been given their own nation WITHIN Europe..?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:35 AM

...my poem on "Land Rights" - http://www.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse/blog/476693050

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:59 AM

"One can only negotiate with people who are willing to do so"

So that rules out the present Israeli government.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:29 AM

And the present Hamas authority.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:09 AM

Seems like 2 utterly irreconcilable attitudes, doesn't it?

In a situation like that, my sympathy is usually with the weaker party...meaning the far less well-armed and far less powerful one...the one that's suffering under the boot of military domination by a conquering foreign power. I don't think I really need to elaborate on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: number 6
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:19 AM

"In a situation like that, my sympathy is usually with the weaker party...meaning the far less well-armed and far less powerful one"

So ... if the Palestinians obtain far more powerful weapons equivilant to those used by the Israelis (and I'm sure they would if they could, and they would use them) then which side would you sympathize with?

The Israelis distrust and fear the Palestinians, and the Palestinians distrust and fear the Israelis .... why is that? ... they are not born with it ... it certainly is not in their DNA.

It's lunacy ... all this distrust, hatred and fear all a result of politikal manipulation.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:22 AM

Would those who claim that Hamas will not negotiate care to substantiate that assertion, please.

"They don't do much to help themselves" and "neither side is blameless" and "Hamas chooses to be at war with Israel"...yeah, we get lots of this kind of talk, don't we. Well here's the reality. Israel has absolutely no intention, ever, of negotiating a solution to the Palestine issue. If you build an apartheid wall and continue to steal the best bits of Palestinian land for your settlements, your hand is clearly shown. The settlements are now so widespread that the prospect of a contiguous Palestinian state has vanished. Hands up all those who think Israel will ever hand back a single settlement. Pigs might fly too. But, without giving back the land, there can be no meaningful negotiations.So it isn't going to happen. What's more, there is absolutely no political need for Israel to get round the table. Whatever outrages they choose to commit against any of their neighbours, including the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, they know they will always have the unqualified support of the US in terms of bankrolling their huge army. They know that, should anyone attack Israel, whether it be Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran, the west will rally with mighty support. They can do no wrong. They can do whatever they like and the yanks will keep the aid flowing. And the reason for that is that any politician in the US who speaks up against Israel in any way is toast. We have those powerful and totally undemocratic lobby groups such as AIPAC to thank for that. And the yanks with their dissing and their vetos make damn sure that the UN has no teeth either. And there's precious little pressure from any EU country to stay Israel's hand. But things are changing in the middle east. Egypt and Turkey are no longer Israel's friends and even Jordan is coming under pressure. If we don't intervene very soon (by threatening to withdraw Israel's military aid for starters) there is the real risk of a massive regional conflict. Mr Erdogan is the man to watch closely. I think he has ambitions to turn Turkey into a regional superpower, and Israel is somewhat in his way.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:27 AM

If the English can relinquish most of Ireland about 600 years after first invasion and conquest (indeed, spurred on by terrorist bombs) and most of America after about a hundred, surely Israel can relinquish Arab lands after 65.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:28 AM

I am so fed up with men.

Let's put the Women in charge of the planet, for we give Birth, CREATE Life..we do not kill that which we have created...

Obviously, there are exceptions to this rule, such as Dilma Rousseff, who is presently bringing Genocide to the Indigenous People of the Amazon Rainforest, but...in the main, most women support Life, care deeply about the humans they have created and have the Nurturers and Lovers of our Species..

Men have been in charge WAY TOO LONG and they have fucked up badly..So, unless you can somehow clone Gandhi and the Dalai Lama, let The Women take over...then we can all grow roses instead of nuclear bombs and fecking rocket launching rockets...

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:33 AM

"Would those who claim that Hamas will not negotiate care to substantiate that assertion, please."

"[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad"

Hamas Charter
Article 13

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:35 AM

After WW2, should Europeans of Jewish faith have been given their own nation WITHIN Europe..?

No. Why should anyone regard a religious state as a good thing?

However, what's done is done. Israel is here now, it's here to stay and we should not tolerate stupid talk of wiping it off the map, etc. Israel is full of ordinary people, Jews and non-Jews alike, who deserve peace, security and whatever prosperity they can muster. The politicians in Israel have persuaded their people that they are surrounded by hostile powers who are dying to eliminate them. This is simply not true (every problem Israel ever has with its neighbours is fuelled primarily by the Palestine issue), but hey, politicians are always at their most persuasive when they tell their people how they're protecting them from foreigners. Falklands factors and all that.

There are millions of Muslims in Europe. Should we give them their own nation?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:44 AM

Some folks disagree with you, Lizzie. Reverse chauvinism is still chauvinism.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:45 AM

Well, bobad, there are all manner of "charters" everywhere that are routinely not adhered to. I can't think why you think Hamas would be any different with theirs. Getting round the rigidity of your "charter" is called pragmatism. Show me how Hamas couldn't, if they wanted to, be just as pragmatic as everyone else. Following the release of Gilad Shalit,Hamas has already indicated that it would like to explore the possibility of a wider and ambitious set of negotiations: Leading Hamas figures have mounted a very public campaign, one that the entire Israeli public has been exposed to, offer the possibility that they will abandon all terror and violence. Mashal's public appearances in Cairo have been especially diplomatic and humane. [The New Republic, October 24 2011]. Remember that Netanyahu is the major bock to negotiations, having said that he will not negotiate with a Palestinian contingent which contains Hamas representatives. Divide and rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:13 AM

Netanyahu, unfortunately, is the Dick Cheney of the Middle East... He is a hard-liner who thinks war first and diplomacy a last resort... He is not making Israel any safer but endangering Israel...

As long as this conflict is allowed to continue, no one is safer in the Middle East... A two state solution is there for the taking... It will one day happen so why not just get it on...

BTW, we talk about "democracy" as long a the folks get elected that we want elected... The Palestinians should not be held to a different standard... If those people actually attack Israel then, fine, go get 'um... But if they are just huffin' and puffin' then, hey, huffing' and puffin' is the M.O. in the Middle East...

I put some of the blame on Obama... He needs to be more engaged in pushing for a Israeli-Palestinian solution...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:34 AM

Obama has been a let-down for sure, but all US presidents' hands are tied, for the reason I stated. The much-vaunted two-state solution seems like a no-no to me. If it's based on the '67 borders, there will be huge resentment in Israel and lots of displaced people. If it's based wholly or even partially on the current situation apropos of settlements, there cannot be a continuous Palestinian territory - and Palestinian resentment will be fuelled because not all the land that they perceive to belong to them will be handed back. And all the evidence seems to point to Israel not being able to live in peace with a neighbouring state in any case. A new Palestine will be poverty-stricken to begin with and will need major investment, presumably by the west (we do want this thing to work, after all). More Israeli resentment.

Permit me to enter a dreamlike Utopian cloud-cuckoo land for a minute (no, I don't live there permanently). Jews and non-Jews living together as equals in a single state, with firm anti-discrimination laws in place and full democratic rights for all citizens (Jews, Muslims and Christians have had a fairly honourable record of living in reasonable harmony for millennia). A massive reduction in the size of the IDF. Ancestral lands seized since 1967 to be handed back. Some Israelis would have to be compensated, of course, but wouldn't you rather spend our dough on that than on funding their bloated military? That bloody wall demolished. The Gaza blockade lifted. And the clincher: massive investment by the west in infrastructure, agriculture and industrial development in Gaza and the more run-down areas of the West Bank. The whole shebang really.

It's OK, I've woken up again. :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:46 AM

"Women were also deeply involved as perpetrators of genocide in Cambodia from 1975 to 1979, but the contrast with female perpetrators in Nazi Germany is striking. First, the Cambodian genocide was directly controlled by the Khmer Rouge, and the entire country functioned as a labor camp. Second, the scale of participation was greater: instead of the approximately three thousand (primarily conscripted) female prison guards in Germany, tens of thousands of Cambodian women served as leaders and guards, and the roots of their participation and commitment were much more varied. Perhaps the greatest motivator for female (as well as male) Cambodian perpetrators was the need to establish a more secure identity in the face of ongoing warfare. Participation also provided a means of dealing with bewildering changes in government. A further motivation arose from the widely shared fear that Khmer culture was being destroyed by both Vietnamese and Western influence. Cambodian women were involved in the whole process of destruction: enforcing the killing pace of work, maintaining close surveillance over individuals and families, using violence to whip people into line, and direct killing. Moreover, Cambodia presents one of the few modern examples of a woman (Ieng Thirith) being one of the initiators of genocide."

from

http://www.enotes.com/perpetrators-reference/perpetrators

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:46 AM

Until a 2-state solution is "negotiated" then it is not reasonable to say it's a "no-no" because of any set in stone conditions, such as returning to the '67 borders... Everything should be on the table from the jump with no one side having to jump thru hoops prior to sitting down... Pre-conceived conditions are an impediment...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:52 AM

Steve - Albania. And the migration of European Jews (many of whom directly or indirectly suffered from Nazis) has, in turn, caused much suffering (including displacement) among Palestinians.

I repeat, After WW2, should Europeans of Jewish faith have been given their own nation WITHIN Europe..?

Lizzie - I wish the Dalai Lama would tell (incredibly brave) Tibetans to stop using self-immolation; there's what we want, and there's the tactics we are prepared to use.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:57 AM

I wasn't suggesting that there should be preconditions, but both sides come with massive historical baggage, even if you could get them round a table in the first place. I hate to sound pessimistic (I'm a very jolly chap in real life, you know), but this is simply not going to happen. The real impediment to negotiations is Israel's lack of need to negotiate. They don't have to give up a single thing - in fact, they can keep on taking with impunity. They can do what they like. There is no incentive for Israel to get round a table. All attempts so far have been complete shams. That's the current reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 11:03 AM

Astonishingly, I mostly agree with everyone. Except Lizzie.

Lizzie, it isn't about men or women, it's about who gravitates towards positions of power. You can talk about "nurturing" if you want, but all too many blokes can talk back about "vindictiveness". If women were in power in Gaza & Israel it might be better. If Other Men were in power, it might be better too.

In practical terms, those who gravitate towards power are Dominant personality types, male or female, and they will all, on both sides, be doing more or less the same thing overall. They think they're right. How else do you expect them to behave? They think they're RIGHT!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 11:37 AM

Those who say Israel will never give any land back, may care to examine the facts.

1982: Israel gives up 100% of Sinai to Egypt for peace

1993: Israel gives up land to Palestinian Authority

1994: Israel gives up land to Jordan for peace

2005: Israel gives up 100% of Gaza to Palestinians

2008: Israel offers 95% of West Bank to Palestinians

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 11:50 AM

Patch Adams on a Revolution of Love and Women.......

Bruce, I did state there were exceptions to the rule, and held President Rousseff (spit!) up as an example of the Sociopathic, Power-Crazed Woman...and Ghandi and the Dalai Lama were in there too...and I take on board your link too.

I'm just sick of seeing streets/towns/cities filled with men, no women around, with them all baying for blood, shooting guns into the air and being Crazy.

I'm sick of violent films, violent computer games, violence everywhere you look...being sold to our youngsters from such an early age, surrounding them with violence to the point where they think it's normal. Violence is NOT normal.

However, I do fully appreciate that there are many Men of Peace who would not hurt anyone and do all they can to help others...

I did not mean to offend anyone...just fed up to the back teeth with Aggressive Bastards who think they have the right to send anyone to war on a whim...

I don't care which war, which side...

There have been too many tears shed by too many Mothers. Too many Babies Buried, too many sons & daughters torn apart, husbands and wives, mothers and fathers all lost...

These days we 'glorify war'.....people are infatuated and obsessed with it.

We do not Glorify Peace...

We are trying to turn women into non-maternal beings, putting their children out to be brought up by strangers and believing it's NORMAL to do this now, when it's anything *but*. Women are becoming far more aggressive, because they're being encouraged to be...We are de-valuing Motherhood in the West to an insane degree....

WHY?

WHY is this happening?

WHO is behind it?

WHO gets to benefit from it?

WHY would any society want to make itself uncaring and more aggressive, rather than a loving, maternal one?

Israel and Palestine need the women to rise up and scream out "NO MORE!".....

But do the men in control actually WANT Peace???????

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:19 PM

'Israel and Palestine need the women to rise up and scream out "NO MORE!".....'

And the men, too.

I have just finished trading a few emails with an Israeli friend. HE would agree with you as do I. I do NOT buy into the notion that women are any less aggressive than men, given the power or opportunity to be aggressive. Females can be every bit as disgusting as their male counterparts: Coulter, Bachmann, Palin, Marcos, Gandhi, Thatcher. I can continue here should it be necessary.

Here are some people trying to make a difference. Today. Now.

Alienating half your readers before you say anything substantial ain't all that clever, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM

eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth .. everyone running around guming their food blind. sooner or later someone has to say enough and work it out or their kids keep dying and for what ... hate .. hate doesn't work -it only makes things worse ..

when will it end probably not in our lifetime

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:22 PM

Like a game of cards, I will see your 50 dead and raise you 200.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:31 PM

"Let's put the Women in charge of the planet, for we give Birth, CREATE Life..we do not kill that which we have created..."

Please no no no...please no more fuckwits like Cristina botox Kirshner!!

By the way, saw Show of Hands on Thursday.......still the kings of folk!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:32 PM

I would care to examine the facts actually, John. Do expand on the 95% offer - I'm finding it rather hard to flesh that one out. I suppose if you broke into my house, stole 10 grand, then offered out of the goodness of your heart to give me nine and a half grand back, I should feel pleased with you...? And which bits are the 5% Israel would like to hang on to? Bet it isn't useless strips of desert or waste dumps... As for Gaza, Israel withdrew because the game wasn't worth the candle, and they, obligingly, trashed the settlements before they left (the trashing-of-homes-in-Gaza process that, as we know only too well, has continued to this day). Sinai was, of course, a dirty deal done between a dirty dictator (may he rot, we're all now saying, of course) and the west to keep Egypt permanently out of Israel's hair. And so on. Don't look too good when you delve, John...

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:50 PM

No Steve, whatever side you dig on!
However people have a habit of believing what they want to believe, and the truth is the true casualty.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 12:51 PM

Sorry but the response by Israel and the Palestinians is a false equivalency.

Lizzie, we need more the sane voices of women. Men are always trying to show off how big their cocks (weapons) are.

We need to keep the honey-pot manipulators from doing the male dictator's bidding.
Mossad is the reason for a Paula Broadwell and her other flirtation with the Irgun.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 01:22 PM

"A quick look around at many other world nations will find many leaders of such stature."
:)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 01:33 PM

Putin.....worries the hell outta me, totally off his Sociopathic Rocker...

Bruce...I agree, I did write my earlier post wrongly. Sadly, it has to stand as it is, as I cannot change it, delete it, nor add an explanation to it.

So, I will now be judged by it, by some...

I would, obviously, hope that you are not one of those who would do so.

However, thank you for pulling me up about it, because I deserved to be hauled over the coals for it..

And hey, don't call me 'Lizzie' ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 02:09 PM

I hear ya, Liz. Not to worry. The world needs more peace. Just check out this audience.

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/lXKDu6cdXLI?rel=0

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 03:29 PM

Oh Fluffy One.

Golda Meir.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 03:53 PM

"BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?"

For doing what exactly?
Returning fire?
For sitting around in repentence, while their citizens are killed by Iranian rockets?
I'm sorry, but the basic premise of this thread is so biassed, it deosn't deserve a reasoned answer. After all the original question isn't balanced is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 04:16 PM

Self-help signs that you could be moving towards "Asshole" status (no person in mind, just self-help stuff) :)

1. You wildly overstate your case
2. You disrespect others who hold views different from yours
3. You really believe it's that simple
4. You think you have all the answers
5. You ignore views that do not reinforce your perspective
6. You preemptively tell others to fuck off,or use similar terms
7. You use thread titles to stimulate discourse, not discussion
8. You believe that one thread on the same topic is not enough

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 04:20 PM

Respect Ed ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 04:22 PM

Oh yes, I forgot that one.

Good for a # 9
;)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 05:35 PM

As for Gaza, Israel withdrew because the game wasn't worth the candle, and they, obligingly, trashed the settlements before they left
Not true.
The smashing up was done by the Gazans after they left.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Israeli leaders complete arseholes?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:06 PM

Those cows are great, Bruce. Thank you xx :0)