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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:35 PM It depends on State Law. In California the parents could face charges. In Michigan there is no such law, responsible parents or legislature. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Dec 21 - 10:58 AM I am not sure I agree with this kid being charged with terrorism, but I fully back any efforts to charge the *parents* with something. They had ample warning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Dec 21 - 08:21 AM Not reacting, just reporting here. Nothing really I can add that I haven't already said over and over again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:51 AM For those of us who prefer to avoid Facebook like the plague (thus avoiding its plethora of kneejerk reactions), there's a concise report in the Guardian that covers it under the headline "Michigan high school shooting suspect, 15, appears at court hearing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Dec 21 - 04:20 AM https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=271831755048406&set=a.201905688707680 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 11 Oct 21 - 05:54 PM It may be an editorial matter but the local news reports more shootings than car crashes everyday. They announce it like; A (double, triple or quadruple) shooting has occurred at (such&such), only (some number) has died and the others have non life threatening injuries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 09 Oct 21 - 04:50 PM A dozen shootings per week - in a local area? Hardly something you want to boast, is it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 07 Oct 21 - 06:13 PM Our local news has almost a dozen shooting stories a week. National news limits shooting stories to schools for the most part. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Oct 21 - 03:25 PM To maximize aryan stock, Liebensborn orphanages were made for the offspring from single girls and married SS soldiers who passed the purity tests and attended screwing camp. Sterilization was more efficient than abortion for the nondesirables. Banning legal abortion in the US will work against Republicans in the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Charmion Date: 05 Oct 21 - 11:17 AM Um, yeah, that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Oct 21 - 09:37 AM You mean the duty to breed 'good aryan stock' and anyone who was born who didn't come up to spec an the risk of being eradicated? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 05 Oct 21 - 07:47 AM Those are some cynicly dark anti abortion reasons but then again so was the 3rd REICH'S POLICIES ON REPRODUCTION. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Oct 21 - 06:50 AM Surely gun owners need people to breed so that there will be an ongoing supply of schoolkids that they can massacre. And also if children are not born into poverty or needing lifelong intensive care who else are they going to point the finger at, demonise and blame for having to pay taxes and all the evils in the world? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 04 Oct 21 - 07:40 PM The Trump Supream Court by the end of the year, will grant more rights to gun owners/makers than uterus owners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 04 Oct 21 - 05:47 PM Blase'? The kids around here have a game of shooting out windows and glass doors. Even my gas station has been hit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 04 Oct 21 - 02:59 PM Only those that come up on my facebook news feeds. I don't go out of my way looking for them, just share the ones that make the news here - just to stop people getting blase and conflating them with parking offences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Oct 21 - 12:41 AM Judge orders Alex Jones to pay damages to Sandy Hook families It was a long time coming, but Alex Jones has to cough up some cash. Far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is responsible for all damages in two lawsuits instigated after he falsely called the Sandy Hook shooting a "giant hoax," a Texas judge ruled this week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 13 Sep 21 - 07:05 PM Like Donuel said... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 13 Sep 21 - 03:43 PM If you are going to chronical the US shootings you will have 50,000+ posts of wounded and dead in a year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 13 Sep 21 - 04:48 AM and again |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 21 - 11:13 AM The shootings are practically casual today; owe money BANG, stupid driving BANG, mask debate BANG, line at chicken sandwich take out dispute BANG. I'm glad we don't get shot over the phone; "I'm returning your call, what do you want?. Could you possibly have a wrong number? "GET OFF MY PHONE BITCH! BANG". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 06 Sep 21 - 06:21 AM And so it continues - another gun nut who wanted to show how big he is. again and again |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 24 Jun 21 - 11:42 AM I saw the parents who did this for their slain son. Sasha Baron Cohen has humilliated these NRA officials as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Jun 21 - 09:55 AM I read about this. Ha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 24 Jun 21 - 05:31 AM https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/559893-former-nra-president-gun-rights-advocate-speak-at-fake-high The 3,044 empty chairs represent the high school graduates that were killed by gun violence. NRA officials did not know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 17 Jun 21 - 06:18 PM Lobbying isn't just squauking the loudest . It involves donations aka getting paid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: robomatic Date: 15 Jun 21 - 03:11 PM The NRA currently lobbies in the traditional sense, they have supported with campaign finance money those congressfolk that pass the know-nothing legislation mentioned above, they have maintained or financed spokespersons on radio and video media with an extremist political agenda, and they have continued to keep as Executive Vice President a nutjob because he is a highly effective and highly quoted super spokesperson. They have joined forces with the 'fear and loathing' elements of the current culture wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 14 Jun 21 - 03:20 PM To be fair, the NRA merely lobbied. Congress passed laws prohibiting gun death research. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 14 Jun 21 - 09:59 AM We work for the NIH and this is very old news I posted long ago too, still I'm glad you are informed. Points of view are inherently self centered, like yourself for example. To be fair, me too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: robomatic Date: 13 Jun 21 - 04:09 PM And Don'l catches up to my post of 07 Jun 21 - 01:40 PM It is somewhat ironic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 13 Jun 21 - 04:04 PM The NRA had laws passed that made it illegal to compile data on gun violence and research into the medical treatment of gunshot wounds by the NIH. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 13 Jun 21 - 01:05 PM again Victim to legal gun ownership. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 13 Jun 21 - 10:14 AM Yes... but simple statistics are not nearly so...umm.. interesting... hmmm? The overriding point is that easy access to guns, legal or illegal, means that they are more likely to be the simplest method of committing suicide or robbery, settling arguments, seeking revenge, ...or just expressing anger, frustration and general mental instability. It may be that the % of the population likely to commit gun violence doesn't change much, but as the population increases, the more instances will occur. Copy-cat killings as violence prone people read about others is probably a factor also... I don't see many interviews with those who do it, as they very often die in the process. BTW...that "Beltway Sniper" thing in Maryland/DC a number of years ago... 2 of the incidents happened within 5 minutes drive of my house. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Jack Campin Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:59 AM https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/man-kills-wife-gun-montgomery-b1864691.html More than 4 times as many gunshot deaths are women victims of domestic violence than are the result of mass shootings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:57 PM I disagree that making guns illegal would be a first step toward changing attitudes. Cart before hearse, I might even add. When has making anything illegal made it less desirable? Prohibition didn't work, eother. Anyway, if attitudes changed, gun laws would be moot. I agree that Murrica glorifies violence, and that it ought not. Sigh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 11 Jun 21 - 03:30 PM Yeah.. lots of IFs. I really love supposed analysis with NO idea how to begin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 11 Jun 21 - 02:16 PM it is down to governments to legislate. But they mind find that gun control is much less hassle. And if film goers don't have the appetite to watch each gun victim going through a protracted slow death and vote with their feet, then it wouldn't be worth the film industry's interest to portray gun violence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 11 Jun 21 - 11:21 AM Sure... would YOU like to take the lead in that effort to alter the entire film and TV industries attitudes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 11 Jun 21 - 06:12 AM And also stop glorifying violence by heroes in action films and tv programmes, or at least fully show the entire impact of someone being killed or wounded in full, from first response, patient transport, hospital response, and the emotional impact of every individual and eye-witness, the impact of crime scene disputation, etc. Then instead of the 10 second suspension of reality, it would add anything between a day and a week of the programme film running time. Then at least violence would no longer be entertaining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Jun 21 - 06:01 PM A major step towards changing attitudes to violence would be to make it illegal to walk around with a gun in your possession. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 21 - 05:46 PM Lots of places have liberal gun laws and lots of guns, but only in Murrica is it considered a right to shoot people for annoying you, rather than a responsibility to make sure nobody gets shot when there is no life on the line. Yes, if guns were harder to get, fewer people would be able to shoot other people for no good reason. But changing the attitude toward violence is way more necessary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 10 Jun 21 - 09:25 AM Thats why arming little kids is not a good idea, although it has been proposed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 09 Jun 21 - 02:56 PM Another one |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Bill D Date: 07 Jun 21 - 06:28 PM When a female member of congress was shot at an outside event a few years ago, in the crowd was a young man who was armed, and was reaching for his gun.... before he could draw it, someone grabbed the shooter's arm and he was captured. The young man said that he was mistaken about where HE thought the shot came from, and he was glad he hadn't shot the wrong person. In that Colorado movie theater a few years ago, can you imagine if 7-8 people had been armed and began shooting...maybe at each other in mistaken idea about their target? Good guys with guns can be more dangerous than bad ones. Too many guns... too many disturbed and/or angry people... far too few solutions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Jun 21 - 04:47 PM What you are calling my "predigested arguments brought to the fray" are nothing of the sort. What is happening here is that you've brought a tired old cod-aphorism to "the fray." We've all heard that one a thousand times. You have extremely liberal gun laws and you have extremely high rates of gun deaths. Do try to make the connection. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Donuel Date: 07 Jun 21 - 03:16 PM We used to average 30,000 gun fatalities per year which includes everything from suicide to individual murders and not just mass shootings of 4 or more people at a time. At least thats my take on the low numbers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Helen Date: 07 Jun 21 - 03:16 PM I watched the ABC America News yesterday and there were alarming statistics of the number of children injured or killed in the U.S. in gun related incidents. Two children have been fatally shot just this week. What does it take to stop this senseless violence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Raggytash Date: 07 Jun 21 - 03:08 PM Only 283? (in 5 months ........ I've looked at the figures) Well to most sane people that's 283 too many, and that is only the reported number. 19,379 people in 2020 15,292 people in 2019 39,740 people in 2018 Perhaps someone needs to give their head a shake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: robomatic Date: 07 Jun 21 - 01:40 PM You bring your predigested arguments to the fray and overlook the elegant simplicity of the statement which is not an argument. It is a statement of fact. People are the killers Guns are the extremely efficient and effective tools. The problem is the willingness of the people to be the one. The problem is also the ready availability of the other. Many problems can't be solved by addressing only one of the above. They HAVE to be dealt with by addressing both. This means there must be accurate data collection. There must be education. There must be regulation. Until all of those are faced and dealt with the problem will not go away. A lot of the other statements only spread heat, not light. The lack of understanding of the aphorism above only underlines the truth: Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns just make it very very easy. An extremely well known and somewhat influential wingnut made an erroneous and dangerous aphorism: "To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun." It completely ignores the likelihood that the gun can change a non-killer into a killer by its availability. I'm thinking abourt an old duffer who had his gun in a movie theater and shot someone who was merely being a pest. It's as simple as observiing that if your only tool is a hammer, your problems take on the appearance of nails. Once the duffer had shot the nuisance guy, it was retroactively a case of self-defense. Because, now, it had to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shooting tragedies and guns From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Jun 21 - 12:32 PM Well it's bear country, not people country. |
