BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:43 PM

Yes, even The Academics are coming together! Take a look in here at them queueueueueuing up to leave their names in support of Chief Spence... :0)

FB - Academics in Solidarity with Chief Theresa Spence

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 01:03 PM

OK, who wants to be a part of getting this wonderful speech to go VIRAL? Let's give Chief Spence and Canada's First Nations IDLE NO MORE movement ALL the Help & Support we can!

New FB photo...

I didn't make this photo, someone else did, but I added Dave's speech to it and the links below. Folks put photos out and forget to fill 'em with information..Got the good folks on Raoni's page sharing it out at the moment, bless 'em...

I'm hoping someone will make an American flag version of this for me, if possible. Isn't the internet WONDERFUL!! There's a man over in the Far East who is a Wizard when it comes to making photos and he does it for no other reason than he wants to help! I LOVE Facebook! I LOVE that I can write to folks, tell them what I see in my head and they make photos to send round the world...It's magic!!

Anyway, Dave's been sent this and he was blown away that I'd typed his words out for him..I left 'Meegwetch' off the end of his speech apparently, but I've put it on now...

I'm buzzing!!

The Grumpy Garooooos in here can Carry on Grumping, for I prefer to get out there and fight for a Better World in my own way!

Share the photo out if you have a FB page...Make a FB page if you haven't, and that's an ORDER, for there's a Revolution Taking Place inside it, being led by the Indigenous Peoples all over the world!

Stop Grumping and Join Them!!!


Ooh, and Bruce, I had a real racist bastard come over to my page earlier. Geez he was so unpleasant about the First Nations peoples...I whacked his bum, I can tell you! Boy, did he pick the WRONG woman to say what he did to!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:59 PM

The Omnibus Bill (which ignited the Idle No More protest movement)to which Harper is shoving through to law affects ALL Canadians in that it signifies that all other bills in the future can be put through Parliament without consulting the parties that it affects.

Chief Spence is a Canadian hero

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 12:44 PM

biLL, thanks for that link. I thought I'd signed it a few days back but I must have done something wrong. I definitely signed it today because a post I wrote is showing.

In a way, I think the Harper government would welcome the death of Chief Spence. I've read some pretty vile verbiage to do with her fast. That is shocking--it always is shocking to find out you live in a nation with so much hatred in its soul. Hell, just read the posters who wrote to that National Post article. The nice thing about a free press is that we get to refute that kind of claptrap.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:54 AM

It IS an important issue, gnu - and the ramifications of it will impact the entire population of - not just the First Nations.

As far as an apology to Saint Liz, just so soon as she apologizes for the mountains of abuse & shit she's heaped on me - and others - over the years, I'll see what I can do.

And no, they're not "personal attacks" - they're attacks on her bullshit, not hersef.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:51 AM

Related news article:


From Canada's National Post

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 09:32 AM

Now ... back to the subject of this thread (somewhat relative)

for those that may be concerned

Canadian citizens: Call for an IMMEDIATE No-Confidence vote against Stephen Harp

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 08:08 AM

"as you think I am so stupid"

I never posted that you are "stupid" (your words), as I do not believe it is so. I offered my advice on the wisdom of your approach and (in good faith) suggested how you could be more effective (and, yes, more interesting), on this (public) thread. I note that I did so in a much less agressive way than some others commenting on similar approaches. (In fact, I pride myself in avoiding 'off topic" personal insults).

In addition, your thread title relates directly to democracy in a nation where I am a citizen (which I detect you are not) - I do take democracy, the will of the people, in my nation seriously.

You are free to take my suggestions, consider them, or just pass them by, unaffected. IMO, wise people consider suggestions and adjust their approach for effectiveness. (I say no more on that).

In conclusion, like others, I will continue to post within the limits of the site rules (and common etiquette). I will read what I wish - and will most likely pass by what I see as mostly bunk or mis-directed.

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""If you cant take the heat - stay out of then kitchen""

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:45 AM

"Harper is doing a good job, and will continue as Prime Minister after the next try by lefties in the east to put some other party in power."

Well, I'm glad you got that straight!

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 06:44 AM

"...May I suggest as an alternative - you share your perspectives on specific issues through well-thought out and focused (short-not long) discourse, where others are also presented with an opportunity to present their perspectives?"

And may *I* suggest that you simply stay away from any threads I start or comments I put down, as you think I am so stupid, Ed, thus permitting me to be free of your rude words.

Thank you......Up Yours!.....and now, back to the topic of this thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:36 PM

I agree, Ed, but I still think Greg owes and apology or to have his posts struck.

The petition is so poorly worded that I could never sign it. I emailed a chief of one of the Nations here in NB about this stuff weeks ago and heaven't heard back... ? Apparently, there is some "debate" among first nations about all of this??? maybe???

I personally think the bill is terrible. If a pipeline is good, it would make it past existing protection legislation. If not... we gotta have a talk. In the meantime, we gotta TELL Harper we gotta talk and not simply be bent over and fucked up the ass. If yer gonna do it, do it right.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:03 PM

Be realistic. IMO, your thread heading is redicilous. Because of that, I suspect most folks will mostly ignore it. If petitions were effective in overturning governments (democratically elected or otherwise), I suspect they would have been strategically used to do so in the past - to aviod significant efforts and costs.

One could agrue that a petition can have some influence on some issues. But, more likely in most cases it is not so. (That is, ruling out the effectiveness of an internet petition on a remote part of a folk music site - distributed mostly to peace-loving older folks living outside the country it refers to).

Regardless of what any one person thinks on any specific issue, nationally or in other countries, this government was democratically elected and is into the first part of a four year majority government.

May I suggest as an alternative - you share your perspectives on specific issues through well-thought out and focused (short-not long) discourse, where others are also presented with an opportunity to present their perspectives?

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 09:01 PM

Old tin Lizzie is the one started this stupid thread.

Harper is doing a good job, and will continue as Prime Minister after the next try by lefties in the east to put some other party in power.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 07:18 PM

Greg... yer outta line. Ya got somethin to contribute, positive or negative, get it done. Otherwise, yer just makin yerself look like a stunned troll. BTW... your posts are personal attacks. That is the one no-no here at Mudcat. When they are deleted I hope my are too.

This is a very important issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 06:32 PM

All Hail Saint Liz. The One And Only Advocate For The First Nations All Over The Globe.

Accept No Substitutes.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 05:25 PM

FROM DAVE BLEAKNEY, TAKEN FROM THE VIDEO IN THE LINK ABOVE!

Dave has literally just become a 'friend' over on Facebook and I've just put his speech on his page for him..off to post it to Support Chief Raoni now too and send it out to do GREAT THINGS!!

I'm SO choked up over these wonderful words!

"..I just want to say that settler society and all our ancestors, when they came here, they wouldn't have survived without the generosity and grace of the First Peoples that were here. And we signed Treaties and we gave Words that weren't worth the paper they were printed on, and our Silence has been Compliance!
We can say that we didn't have a role in this on-going theft of Land and Culture, but we do. And there are people who kept the fire burning, a candle burning in the dark corners of this world for a long time and that fire is now raging! That Sacred Fire is now raging in the streets, and it's raging in our hearts!   

So, we have a responsibility to recognize these historical wrongs. This isn't just about recognizing some Rights, because those are Natural Rights. Those are Rights that *our* Settler Society has taken away and I don't want to be a part of that anymore. And I invite *every* settler to know and understand that when Chief Spence and The Elders are speaking they've gone beyond just speaking for their nations now, they're speaking for every human being around this planet who wants a different place and knows that the system has failed. We know it in our hearts, we know it in our minds and when a system has failed, that system *needs* to be changed and have a world based on *thousands* of years of knowledge and mutual respect and understanding of how to care for the Earth and how to care for each other.

I no longer want to be a part of that farce, I want to be a part of that Change, and I'll tell you, you know, generations that haven't been born yet, let's hope that they look back at *this* moment and say "When the time came The People rose. They no longer stopped. They went further and they never gave up!" and that the world changed because of what was happening here today and it's happening all across Turtle Island and it's now starting to happen across the Earth!

I want to *thank* those people who led us into this struggle! I want to join them and follow them and say that, you know, don't anymore worry about the bad things and the negative things that are said about people, because these are the flailings of people who are drowning as the water rises around them. They have a life-line, they can grab it if they want, but no longer will those words hurt, no longer will those words sting and no longer will we stand by and let those words be said in our name!   Thank you." - Dave Bleakney

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 04:43 PM

Oh! LISTEN to this amazing man!!

Harper, you are a dead duck, for the Non-Native People are rising against you too!

Wow! David Dave Bleakney, of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers

OHH! I have to go and type this speech of his out now and send it out around the world!

C'mon, baby, LIGHT that Fire! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 03:01 PM

On December 4th Canada had MILLIONS of protected Lakes and Rivers, on the 5th, they now have just a few dozen of each...

This man is selling Canada by the pound! He's a sociopathic bastard who does whatever his Sociopathic Corporate Masters tell him too and he doesn't give a toss for any Canadians, nor for Mother Earth!

There are NO borders any longer, for this is now a World Problem, ALL these Oligarch Leaders are the same and it's going to take ALL of us, without borders, to Rise Up TOGETHER to stop them..

The 8th Fire has been LIT!   Come, warm your hands and hearts beside it and keep that Fire BURNING!!

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:57 PM

Yup!

Nov. 2012 - CBC report on Harper selling out Canada


Do you guys have ANY idea what's going on? The First Nations of Canada are Rising Up, bringing in thousands, HUNDREDS of thousands, of non-Native folks with them.

The Idle No More Movement is growing on an hourly basis! Check it all out! Harper is on his way out, methinks......especially if Chief Spence dies and she's now in her 15th day of Hunger Strike..

Facebook is buzzing with it all...

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: gnu
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:56 PM

She has every right to be, Greg. This is a very serious problem. I don't like certain things bout the way it's being handled but I ain't opening that can of worms again. I get crapped on by both sides every time I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 02:07 PM

She's Baaaaack!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 01:57 PM

Doodledepoop!

Subject: BS: Get Harper Out - Petition (Canada)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 06:12 AM

As Chief Theresa Spence now enters her 16th day of Indefinite Hunger Strike, in the hope Stephen Harper will *finally* meet with her...and whilst the Idle No More movement continues to grow at an incredible rate, reaching far beyond Canada's borders, there is now a petition to remove Harper from Office. If you'd like to sign it, then share it to others, here it is:


Get Stephen Harper out! - Petition