BS: Muslim men and white girls - again

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 08:11 AM

Until The Men of the World rise up, en masse, TOGETHER, to stamp the violence against ALL Women out, forever, things will only get better in very tiny small steps..and those steps are being created by women, more often than not.

I agree with ALL Eliza says...

And this starts not just with Religion, but with men walking into Toy Shops, picking up Bratz Dolls, for instance, and saying "This doll is NOT acceptable, for it is teaching my daughter that she needs to pout and thrust out her chest, dress like a whore and talk incessantly about boys and sex!"

It needs men to go into newsagents and say: "Take DOWN those magazines filled with naked women, for that is teaching our children that this kind of behaviour is acceptable!"

It needs them to go to the guys behind 'GQ' magazine and other such 'Boys Stuff' and tell them the same thing..

Then, they need to march on the Music Industry, the Video Industry, the Computer Games Industry and, of course, the TV and Film industry and tell them to STOP portraying women purely as Sex Objects and little else!

It needs men to understand that women have Bums, Boobs AND Brains and that long after the Bums and Boobs have sagged and dropped, her BRAIN is still as BEAUTIFUL as ever!

It needs men to DEMAND that women on TV are ALLLOWED to LOOK OLD and STILL be taken seriously! To demand an end to Old Men presenting programmes, whilst the women are told to Botox Themselves to Death or lose their jobs!

And of course, it needs men to DEMAND an end to the Unholy Holy Books and Teachers of those Unholy Words, which give permission for some men to treat women like shit, regard them as lower than their camel and view them purely to be 'owned' by them...

Women will NEVER stop this on their own.

The Solution to this HAS to come from The Men themselves....



And please note, that I know there are very many wonderful men out there who are just as angry and pissed off with the behaviour of some of those of their own sex, as women are, but they hold The Key To Change.

The only other way for this to change is for Women to rise to positions of power, and then set about bringing in Draconian Punishment for any man who behaves in this way...but that will take many years, and in many countries it will take a Revolution for women to be able to rise to those positions anyway, such is the Male Dominated Society in some places....

This abuse of women and little girls is not just physical, it is also mental and it is being done by White Men too, Brian....Grow up and look around you, see what images your daughter, grandaughter, friends daughters are absorbing and then ask yourself WHO are the people behind it....

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 08:02 AM

Additionally, I think some responsibility for this mess must be taken by the British people who have allowed "the family" to be undermined and have produced a generation of young people who are rootless and simply cannot cope with life.

Many of the children who are being sexually abuse and prostituted are from broken homes....an easy target for predatory gangs who view them as worthless trash. We have been presented with and accepted a lifestyle which gives us a large measure of personal "freedom", but in many cases little or no sense of responsibility towards our children or society.

Personal "freedom" without resonsibility is simply selfishness of the most degrading kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 06:06 AM

"It's quite true that here in UK a mere 150 years ago women had hardly any rights or power. But now that we have, we must campaign for our sisters too."

Absolutely! I'm not arguing for moral relativism in any way - it's right that damaging attitudes about, and abuses against women be critiqued and condemned, wherever they occur.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:51 AM

Agree to some extent Owen, but a large number of Muslims here in UK still uphold the view that women are in some way inferior to men and should be monitored and controlled. Forced marriages with unmet cousins are very common still. Many men (and not necessarily just Muslims) seem to feel that one's woman should be available at all times for sexual pleasure and should be solely responsible for home chores and childcare. This view may give rise and nurture the idea that any female of any age is just there for the taking and using. It's a philosophy of the basic worthlessness of the female of whatever age or stage of life. I do feel that paedophiles also hold this tenet, that sexual pleasures can justifiably be had by whatever means from powerless victims. It's quite true that here in UK a mere 150 years ago women had hardly any rights or power. But now that we have, we must campaign for our sisters too.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:25 AM

sorry for clumsy sentence, hit post too soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:24 AM

Guest. There's no practically about it. In Britain at any rate, the vast majority of paedophiles are white, and the vast majority of them interfere with children of their own families. What's more, the vast majority of Muslims are highly respectable, sexually normal, individuals who place a lrge emphasis on bringing their children up properly.

Paedophilia is a ghastly crime, but everybody in this world should be judged by their own actions, not by those of a few sick sad scumbags.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:23 AM

"it's always females suffering at the hands of men."

I would agree that abuses against women are extremely common, but it's worth remembering that the Catholic Priest abuse scandal was mostly visited upon boys from poor families.

As for unhelpful cultural attitudes, I'm aways wary of the phrases 'traditional' and 'patriarchal', where these two descriptors co-exist, the devaluing, and what can often be routinely culturally tolerated abuses against women, won't be far behind. It's also worth noting in respect of race, that the west has only been out of the dark ages where women's rights and equality are concerned, for a very short amount of time and things could so easily be different here still, had we not become both a wealthy and highly literate nation archaic patriarchal traditions would no doubt still be the order of the day.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:18 AM

There are glimmers of hope however. In Ivory Coast, it used to be customary to genitally mutilate girls of nine or ten, and to forcibly marry them off to old men at the age of about thirteen. My husband tells me that nowadays, women refuse to allow their daughters to be treated like this (HURRAH!) and that women in their twenties (such as his own numerous sisters) have mobile phones, use internet cafes and are therefore au fait with modern ways (HURRAH AGAIN!) They also create small micro-businesses independant of men. (HURRAH A THIRD TIME!) My sister has sent a sizeable money transfer to one of his sisters to start a beauty business of her own. She, like me, is a strong supporter of Women's Rights. In little steps like this attitudes can be 'adjusted'.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 05:06 AM

Well put Eliza.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 04:52 AM

Excellent points made here. The problem stems from an execrable attitude towards women, and it's worldwide. I watched a shocking programme two nights ago about Pakistani men in their homeland throwing acid over women who had 'displeased' them, resulting in dreadful disfigurement and pain. Even their birth families would not intervene or give them refuge as it was an 'honour' thing and they'd be shamed. The only answer, and it's a tall order, is to promote and support moves towards equality and respect between the sexes. It isn't only a Muslim thing, or a race thing. Consider the abuse by priests of vulnerable children in Ireland and elsewhere, the maiming of women and children in Rwanda, the 'leaving to die' of female infants in China, and it's always females suffering at the hands of men. I'm old now, but I still feel enormous indignation and anger at the injustices suffered by millions of my sisters around the world. It isn't quite enough LH, although I do admire your views, to concentrate on one's own shortcomings. Governments must act. The Pakistani parliament introduced the death penalty for acid attacks, but is that bit of paper going to radically change their culture? Remains to be seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 03:25 AM

In previous discussions the point was often made that it only occurred in the North of England.
The current trial is of people from Oxford and involves London people.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 11:53 PM

Yes, I get what you mean, Akenaton. It's a cultural problem. If people grow up around adults who have a bad attitude toward women...or blacks...or whites...or Asians...or religious people...or atheists...or anything at all really, then they tend to become prejudiced without even realizing it, and that's where the trouble starts. They act out the same negative stuff they saw around them when they were young.

Do any of us grow up completely free of prejudice? I don't think so. But if we are willing to challenge common social conditioning, question the values that were planted in us when we were young, and find a far better way, then we stand a very good chance of becoming a lot less prejudiced as time goes by.

That's what I have tried to do for my whole life. My parents had a number of subtle prejudices, and some not so subtle. So did my society. I've spent a lifetime shedding as many of those as I could detect...but the only way you can detect them is by selfexamination and selfcorrection.

I find that most people are tremendously eager to focus on how evil certain other people are. They engage in witch hunts with furious gusto...they seek out enemies to condemn, but they spend little time working on their own nasty baggage, their own meanness, their own prejudices, their own little verbal and behavioral cruelties inflicted upon others...like so much of the meanness on this forum. Thereby they miss their one real job in life...which is not to fix or judge or condemn other people. It's to make themselves into better people.

That's a lot more work than judging others. But it's the only thing that will get you anywhere useful in the end. The rest just adds to the world's towering burden of pain.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: John P
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 11:22 PM

Unless you can prove that ALL Muslim men behave this way, this thread is bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:46 PM

Muslim men, huh? Anyone check whether they were regular mosque attenders? No, really. I'd love to know... It's just that Jimmy Savile, a devout Catholic, never seems to be described as that "Catholic sex predator"...

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 07:30 PM

I think that is the point the OP is making Hawk.
The situation in some parts of the UK, where young white girls are abused and trafficed by mainly Pakistani Muslims seems to be based on how these men view white British girls.....simply as sexual comodities, or "easy meat".
The problem was exacerbated by the unwillingness of police,social services, or the judiciary to protect these children.... on the grounds that they may have fallen foul of anti discrimination legislation.

There is no evil which cannot hide behind an agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:59 PM

Come to think of it, I was reminded by Dan about this, I think that Asian girls are most likely exploited more by the international sex trade than any other demographic. Eastern European girls would likely be in 2nd place when it comes to that. After that? Probably Latina women. This is more because of longstanding economic and cultural conditions in Asia and Eastern Europe and Latin America than it is because of race...or religious influences. Any culture that treats women as less than equal to men will contribute to the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:40 PM

anecdotal evidence on a personal level would seem to support brians point as well as the stories in the news,but unless it is shown statistically to be confirmed it may be best to be cautious.it is a shame that the police are so often unable to deal effectively with adults preying on kids whatever ethnic bacground the perpetrators are.
i also think it a shame that the pop culture-eg music videos-lead young girls to think they are there for the use of males.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: olddude
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:36 PM

Chinese and Mexican girls are two groups that are terribly exploited by sex traffic trade.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: artbrooks
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 06:18 PM

"White" is a color, often used to refer to humans of primarily European extraction. No human is actually white, unless afflicted with extreme albinism. As an experiment, place your hand on a piece of printer paper (or put the paper where there is no suntan) and see if they are the same color.

"Muslim" is a religion, and adherents to that religion may be of any "pure" or mixed racial background. The largest single ethnic group among Muslims is South Asian, into which I'd put Tamils, Bengalis, Indonesians, Pakistanis and Filipinos, among others. Arab Muslims are generally racially indistinguishable from many South (Spanish and Italian) and Southeast (Balkan, Turkish and Greek) Europeans...and many Israelis.

So, guess what? Those "Muslims" were probably as "white" as you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 05:43 PM

"grooming"?

Well, I can guess what you must be referring to, and I think it's disgusting and absolutely awful no matter who is doing it...or to whom. I empathize with your concern over the matter. Perhaps you should write to your political representatives or your local newspapers about it, rather than trying to prove to a few people here on this forum that you are not a racist.

I say this because it's a hopeless task to attempt the latter. Nothing of the sort can ever be proven here. Nothing you can do or say will change the sitation. You'll just get in a lot of acrimonious arguments with a few highly reactive individuals who've already decided they don't like you for some reason. Those arguments will go on and on forever, eating up your time in a really unpleasant fashion, and they will result in lingering feuds that crop up again periodically on numerous other threads. It'll fuck up your day and raise your levels of stress. In short, you might as well pound sand or try to empty the Pacific Ocean with a small bucket.

Meanwhile, the "grooming" of those poor girls will go on just as it did before.

I call that a lose-lose situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 05:33 PM

Let's get real here, Brian... What we have all over the world is exploitation of women... It's not confined to just one race, one nationality, one religion or one geographic area... We have a major problem here in the United Sates with sex trafficing...

An American model was led into what she thought was a job interview where two men (not Muslim) raped her, taped it and threatened to put the video all over the internet if she didn't become a prostitute for them... She reluctantly went along with it but came forward and is now a spokesperson for an organization that deals with similar situations...

I mean, men are some pretty messed up people... I don't think it's at all fair to pick out one group over another...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim men and white girls - again
From: Brian May
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 05:25 PM

I remember a few months ago, being practically branded as a racist because I pointed out that the vast majority of 'grooming' of young white girls was being carried out by Muslim men.

I would ask those bleeding heart liberals who support all things minority, how many more cases need to be taken to court before you start to get the idea that, however unpalatable, it's true.

The reason that this has gone on so long is that people like you refuse to see what's in front of your face. You judge by the standards YOU imbue on the perpetrators, not those they actually display.

They treat these poor young girls with utter contempt. They belong to a regime that avows the destruction of our society and then are happy to be supported by our state whilst they take the best and treat everyone as trash.

Don't worry though, it's just another rant from a racist bigot . . . . . . isn't it?

Do you KNOW what your daughters are doing, who they're with? Hmmm.