Irish feeding the English horsemeat.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:45 AM

Did they do it to music, perhaps while playing fiddles? 'Cos I'd have thought this was BS rather than above the line.
To me, if you're daft enough to pay extortionate prices for 'ready-made' meals because you're too lazy to cook food yourself, you deserve all you get. I always cook from scratch and know exactly what I've put in the dinner.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Fergie
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:46 AM

I think this should be down below in the stallion-shit section.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Mo the caller
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:48 AM

It came from a French firm. And they were the ones who wouldn't buy our beef or lamb.
So much for knowing WHICH cow your burgers were made from.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:50 AM

It came from a French firm . . . who apparently got the meat from Poland . . .

Poor old horse, poor old horse . . .

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:53 AM

Wish we could pull out of Europe tomorrow. We have superb meat being produced here in Britain, and our farmers need encouragement and support. I know horsemeat is edible and acceptable in some countries. But no-one has the right to mislabel food which is not at all what it purports to be. And we have very tight controls on the quality and safety of meat. One doubts whether minty old horsemeat from abroad has been checked!

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Johnny J
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:53 AM

This thread runs the risk of becoming a bit "racist".

Let's be very careful about what is said here.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:02 AM

Eliza nails it - don't buy the stuff at any price. I never buy processed food or pre-prepared meals if I can help it. You can make good burgers easily and quickly if you must have them.

There's always a lot of argument for and against processed food. The "for" arguments often cite lack of time and lack of money - which I don't go with. You can buy cheap cuts of meat, decent fresh vegetables, fruit, etc., to make quick, delicious and nutritious meals. Pasta takes a few minutes. While it's cooking, roast some vegetables and then put it all together in a warm bowl. Delicious.

There's nothing wrong with horsemeat, by the way - it's the whole of the processing of these meals - additives, colourings, flavourings, salting - which is a massive turn-off for me.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Johnny J
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:12 AM

I'll buy the occasional cans of food, eg beans, soup, peas, and maybe even salmon or tuna but that's usually as far as I go. Also, I might sometimes get frozen vegetables or similar.

Most other foods, I buy fresh and cook from scratch. As Will says, it's not that difficult or time consuming as many people believe.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:19 AM

If my memory serves me mcorrectly, I seem to remember one (the) Burger firm in the UK was found to be selling burgers containing scabby kangaroo meat
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Megan L
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:48 AM

There is a lot of smug superiority appering on this thread branding anyone who uses preprepared meals as lazy . There are many reasons why people use them. Not everyone is physically fit enough to stand chopping veg and or meat. Those who live alone especially the elderly and or bereaved often find it a struggle emotionally to prepare food for one sepecially things they once shared with a loved one. Unfortunately there are also people who because of events in their childhood never had anyone to share with them the love of cooking or the knowledge of various raw ingredients and what to do with them.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:59 AM

I `ad that buyer from Waitroses` in my cab the other day. `e`d been up at John Lewises` in Oxford Street getting some new curtains on `is partnership discount scheme.
I said, "Morning John. I see your company `as `ardly been touched by the `orse meat scam that`s been going on."
`e`s like, "That`s right Jim. We were alerted early and only got a little scratch. Our tests found out the stuff we were getting from Ireland contained too much salt and "Shergar!!".

Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Johnny J
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:03 AM

I understand what you say, especially with regard to older people and the disabled.

However, we're probably all talking in general terms and it shouldn't be an issue for the majority of us.

A very simple meal would be to put some fresh salmon in the oven and steam the potatoes and vegetables together. You could even steam the salmon on top as well but I prefer it baked or grilled.
You can even buy potatos and vegetables already washed and prepared.

All this takes about twenty minutes and once you adjust the cooker temperature, you can sit back and watch the rest of Eastenders or whatever takes your fancy.

There are numerous other possibilties. Yes, you don't get all the fancy trimmings, sauces, and extra nonsense which you would expect in a restaurant but ... let's face it.. most of all that is unnecessary and just for show. Yes, good presentation etc is a nice extra but you're not getting that with ready meals or burgers either!

If and when you want something extra special, why not go out for a meal in a nice restaurant? Most of us still can afford it now and again.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Jim Martin
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:05 AM

The whole nub of the problem here is one of traceability. If there is a system in place such as this:

http://www.bordbia.ie/aboutfood/quality/Pages/default.aspx


- no prob!

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:29 AM

Considering the roundabout way the product arrives in England, I'd just be happy it was horse meat and not horse shit.......

Spaw

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:59 AM

I think they pass the horse shit on to trolls for recycling...

Regards

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 07:14 AM

Not quite sure why the headline is the way it is. The Fundis 100% horsemeat Lasagne that's just been taken off the shelves was not produced in Ireland. It was exported here from the UK. The problems with cheap meat(products) is not limited to the one country.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 07:32 AM

That should have read Findus

Guardian article

Irish Times article

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 07:55 AM

I am elderly and on a pension. I can't afford to buy these ready meals even if I wanted to. It's no more trouble to 'make it yourself' if you've been taught (as I was) from an early age how to cook nourishing meals economically. You can do a batch of all sorts then pop them in the freezer, esp soup and casseroles. It saves cooker costs as well if you stuff the oven to bursting. Just after the war there weren't ANY ready-made meals. I worked full-time all my active life and cooked from scratch for every meal. I didn't drop dead from exhaustion. This isn't me being 'smug' it's just common sense. And have you looked at the contents on these packets? (even supposing they haven't listed 'horsemeat products') Strange gunk I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. It's irrelevant whether the source is Ireland, Poland or the blooming Moon. Cook only food you obtain yourself in its raw state and all will be well.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 08:03 AM

It's better than horseshit - (that some have been fed for a few generations

;)
:)

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Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 08:08 AM

We spent Christmas at a Lake Garda resort in northern Italy, a trip organised by a Dublin travel company. The package included evening meals, which, on the whole, were excellent.
One night the menu selection included "colt"; a little nonplussed, we asked what it was.
The waiter looked rather serious and replied "not for the Irish" - how little he knew!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 08:13 AM

Eliza, you always make me smile. You have summed up my sentiments exactly.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Musket
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 08:33 AM

It is disguised by what they put on it. I reckon a fiver each way but the jokes have done the rounds already.

Chevaux chasseur? Maybe. Findus lasagne? No chance.

Nothing has changed. Quality of meat is quality of meat. Rendering plants have an eventual output and we already assumed this muck got into convenience foods. The fact it is horse meat is appalling in that you think you are buying beef and beef is what you are paying for.

That said, assuming it was beef, the question still stands; do you know what you are paying for? Cos it aint 36 day hung fillet...

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 10:04 AM

We are told there is no health risk, but criminality is suspected.

If they throw in horse instead of cattle, they would not hesitate to put in diseased meat or banned parts of cattle, ie spinal tissue etc.

We have no idea what these crooks might have put in.
DNA tests only identify species.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 10:07 AM

The fact it is horsemeat is in itself not the appalling thing. Horsemeat is as good as any other meat.

The other thing, which I mentioned in the other thread on the subject, in the case of the burgers the 'horse DNA' was in the 'filler product'. Essentially ground up skin and cartilage.

As is stands though, horse content in 'filler product' sold (to the burger producers) as beef is one thing, 100% horsemeat Lasagne can hardly be a mistake now, can it?

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 12:27 PM

Yuk, how disgusting. Why would anyone willingly eat 'ground-up skin and cartilege' even if it were from a cow? I just wonder how long this has been going on. Years perhaps. Grooooo.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,guestlexic
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 01:39 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21383362...Bute in the horsemeat.Also most meat eaters are unknowingly on steroids unless they go to mad lengths to source their meat,local butcher prob sells chemical laden crap.Milk too, sudden rise in adhd cases over the last few decades, anyone.Also is it a myth or does red meat really take a week to pass through the human body.I have spoken to people on mainly processed food energy less diets who go for a number 2 once a week,our bodies struggle with it wasted energy,digesting food should not make you sleepy tired etc,should be quite effortless and out the next day.Everyone I know who cut red meat out and only ate fresh fruit/veg no processed have had huge mood energy boosts.Flouride in the water is another,but the pineal gland not important they say, nature must of made another mistake,or needs a hand.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 10:45 PM

I personally like raw horse meat. It is safer than British beef.

For steak tartar - Interbev Equins - is unsurpassed.

Family members have made a career trucking horse from Nebraska to Canada for quick slaughter and immediate loading onto aircraft to Belgium, Netherlands, and France.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Much too good for the dogs...waste not want not

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 01:10 AM

all very well, but I wouldn't have time to play the guitar and watch Bargain Hunt if I was arsing round cooking food.

Anyway I like rubbish - pasties and burgers and things that only bad people eat.

They didn't have the right to flog me horse meat under the guise of something else. Tesco have a record of all the things I buy. They should return the money for all the things they sold without finding out what was in them.

If they think its Findus's fault - that's not my concern. The initial agreement was that they were selling ME beef - not something else. They broke the agreement.

They use the records of sales to suggest things I might like to buy. How about using their records for returning money to people they have sold wrong stuff to.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 04:43 AM

'Family members have made a career trucking horse from Nebraska to Canada for quick slaughter and immediate loading onto aircraft to Belgium, Netherlands, and France.'

I understand slaughtering horses is illegal in the US so horses get sent to Canada and Mexico to be disposed of.

American horses are so full of medication they're considered toxic by EU standards and it;'sa worry US horsemeat enters the food trade this way.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 04:47 AM

Dream on, Al. Tesco wouldn't give you the steam off their wee-wee!
gargoyle, Michael Winner was made very very ill after eating oysters, and when he'd recovered from that, he insisted on eating steak tartare
several times in spite of his doctor's warnings. He contracted a deadly bacterium which hastened his demise. There is still a possibility that tapeworm cysts can be found in raw meat (of any sort). I should cook the stuff well if I were you!

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 01:14 PM

It would seem they've now discovered that schoolchildren have been fed horsemeat in their school dinners. My memories of school dinners lead me to be completely unsurprised. We were handed 'spam fritters' among other horrors, and goodness knows what was in that spam, it was ghastly.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 05:30 PM

Surely if anything we are lucky it was horsemeat? An unauthorised substance was introduced to the food industry possibly by accident but most probably not, and it is clear our ability to detect it was at best feeble. It could have been anything, and there may be a lot of other things still undetected which are far less nutritious. As we know from Victorian times, adulteration of food is very common when price has a high profile. So all of this testing of products for horsemeat is off course: we should be putting our effort into a system where supermarkets et al are responsible for ensuring there products are what they claim, rather than relying on assurances from their suppliers.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 09 Feb 13 - 07:13 PM

The local butchers are the ones to benefit from this which cant be a bad thing. It is the misleading supermarket labelling that I find offensive. It's like buying faux fur only to find out it has been blended with cat.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 10:39 AM

Why you should eat horsemeat: It's delicious

MARK SCHATZKER SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
- Wednesday, Aug. 22 2012, 9:52 AM EDT

Gastronomically speaking, here's a fact about horses: They're delicious.

"Take it from the more than one billion humans who consume roughly a million tonnes of horsemeat a year. In China, 400,000 tonnes of horsemeat - some cooked in a hot pot, some stewed with chili peppers - is transferred, by chopstick, from bowl to mouth every year.

"In neighbouring Kazakhstan, horsemeat is turned into sausages, and in Mongolia, prepackaged horsemeat is found on grocery-store shelves. Some Belgians like their horsemeat lean while people in some regions of Italy like it fatty. The French prefer the tender meat fringed with yellow fat that comes from older horses.

"Horse-eating countries of the world share another unexpected love: Canadian horses. Canada, it so happens, punches above its weight, producing an estimated 20,000 tonnes a year, most of which is shipped fresh to Europe. The Japanese, who are perhaps the world's pickiest eaters - this is a country where a fish can sell for more than a Porsche - import horses live. Every week, about 100 are loaded onto a plane at Calgary International Airport. By the time their meat is butchered, sliced and served in Japanese restaurants, each Canadian horse is worth almost $20,000, according to the 2008 Alberta Horse Welfare Report.

Canadians eat horsemeat.   "We eat approximately 2,000 tonnes of it a year. In Quebec, you can find horsemeat in the supermarket, next to the beef, chicken and pork. Metro, the Quebec-based supermarket, lists horsemeat recipes on its website.

"According to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, when it comes to "chemical residues," horsemeat performs as well or better than beef, chicken and pork. In random tests conducted in 2005 and 2006 - the most recent data - 99.95 per cent of horse samples showed "no detectable residues," compared with 99.02 per cent for beef and 99.71 per cent for pork. -In its eight years of testing for phenylbutazone in horsemeat, the agency hasn't had a single positive result. And since July 31, to comply with European Union regulations, the CFIA requires horses be certified as drug-free for six months prior to slaughter.

"Compared with beef or lamb, horsemeat is surprisingly delicate, but with a whisper of gaminess that tells you the animal you're eating didn't spend its life digging its snout into a trough full of corn. There was an undeniably distinctive flavour and I tried - and failed - to put a word to it. Mr. DeMille stepped in. He swallowed a piece and said, "Just sweet, tender horse."

(Mark Schatzker is a published authority on cooking beef)
The main article has been condenced and edited for the MC audience.


Metro Horse Recipes
metro.ca/recettes/46/horse-meat.en.html


Eat Like a Man (delicious photos)
www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/food-for-men/delicious-horse-meat-photos-14985805

www.static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Lifeandhealth/Pix/pictures/2013/1/17/1358424495808/Horsemeat-at-a-butchers-i-009.jpg

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Time to break out the fine crystal and china...I smell a burro in the hills


h

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:57 PM

Rich feeding the poor horsemeat.

And the problem isn't that it's horsemeat, the problem is that it's untested as fit for human consumption and may contain veterinary drugs.

The question that hasn't been raised yet (or I haven't seen it raised) is whether the other meat, and vegetables, and grains, and pulses, that we eat are similarly untested.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 04:21 PM

""This steak still has marks from where the jockey was hitting it.""
Caddyshack (1980)

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: mayomick
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 08:22 PM

UCD associate professor of public health, Dr Patrick Wall , is quoted in the Irish media today saying that the Food Safety Authority of Ireland's role in uncovering the presence of horse DNA in products labelled as beef should be acknowledged.
" while the authority had been criticised in some quarters in the early stages of the crisis it had "uncovered a huge, Europe-wide scam. If it had not been for the FSAI this could have gone unchecked for years and it has set the standard others across Europe will have to follow".

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 06:08 AM

GuestJTT a very good point. I have been wondering just that myself. After all we trust that what we eat has been certified as edible and contaminant-free. I cook all our meals from scratch, btu of course I don't keep a cow for milk, and have to buy eggs, butter and cheese. We grow a lot of vegetables and salad stuff, but I still get many things from the supermarket. It's enough to make you paranoid!

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 06:14 PM

Isn't it just! I used to keep hens (stopped when my neighbours got worried about avian flu; at the time there was TV footage of hens being put into big plastic bags and smothered, and I didn't want this for my beloved pets, and didn't want the flu for my neighbours). The eggs from my pampered girls tasted quite different from what I get at the supermarket, and I knew what went into them. Once or twice my hens got sick and I had to give them medicine, and the vet told me not to eat the eggs for a fortnight or so. I doubt very much that commercial egg-sellers are very conscientious about this.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 05:01 AM

Sigh... I remember when.... (old lady's boring diatribe alert) in the late forties and early fifties, my dad had a large allotment and we grew ALL our vegetables on it, with manure for fertiliser. We had hens (no avian flu or anything else in those days) and milk came from Dalton's farm in a horse-drawn cart (honestly, I'm not making this up.) We used to give the horse a carrot. There was still rationing for a few items. No fridge of course, so stuff was picked as and when we needed it. No chemicals no additives and all meals cooked from scratch by mum and us girls. Very very little 'foreign' imported food. 'Scotch' beef (yum) Welsh lamb (yum again) pork from local piggeries (we used to give the pigs a carrot too.) Everything tasted scrumptious and it was undoubtedly PURE. Sigh ......

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: mayomick
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:00 AM

Those were the days alright . Until the Irish came along and spoiled it all by putting their rotten horse meat into the Great British lasagne. Not that I have anything against horses , mind you ..........

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Beachcomber
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:31 PM

Well, it was our riposte, for the evil deposits from Sellafield.You can't have it every way you know.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:47 PM

I thought by now we had all managed to get our heads round the fact that the xenophobic title of this thread is not only totally erroneous in that the horse meat came from Romania (which, last time I looked was rather a long way away, in the opposite direction), but that it was the Irish FSAI who discovered it in products that were imported from the UK, and informed the UK authorities.

Surely it is past time that this title were changed to something less insulting.

I emphasise, for the few who may not know, that I am English.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:59 PM

I agree, the title isn't appropriate. (And I'm half Irish, the top half!)

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 12:49 PM

We colonials were sure baffled by the title.   Maybe it's a plot to get you to read the whole thread.

But it would definitely be a good idea for a thread to have an accurate title. Unless of course the OP has another agenda.   Which is obviously not so here.

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 01:02 PM

Must say, my immediate reaction to the thread title was - "To whom?".

Rergards

Subject: RE: Irish feeding the English horsemeat.
From: Jim Martin
Date: 14 Feb 13 - 07:57 AM

Of course, this kind of shenanigans doesn't much help the situation:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/News/article1032580.ece