BS: Counselors on same sex marriage

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:33 PM

And as to Akenaton:

That 79% of all new cases of HIV/AIDs are among male homosexuals is not at all that surprising. Akenaton uses this figure repeatedly as if it is unexpected, and—for some unfathomable reason—a rational for denying same-sex marriage. This 79% sounds quite large, but it represents a much smaller number of actual people than he is trying to imply.

Legalizing and recognizing same-sex marriage, and thus encouraging stable same-sex relationships, would go a very long way toward reducing the amount of male homosexual promiscuity, which is the primary way in which the virus is spread.

I fail to see any good reason why Akenaton cannot—or will not—see this.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 02:21 PM

To set the record straight, in my freshman year, I took a course at the University of Washington called "The Bible as Literature" from Professor Paul Trueblood. We read large portions of the Bible, as whole works—the way those scribes who wrote it in the first place intended they be read—instead of the usual practice of most people these days of reading a few isolated verses, generally in an attempt to prove some spurious point. I KNOW the Bible much better than many ministers and pastors that I have met.

I attend Central Lutheran Church here in Seattle—with my wife, Barbara (who is NOT "the 'Ol Lady," but a beautiful, intelligent, talented woman)—because I like the people and I like the pastor(s). They don't "preach," they teach a philosophy that is very relevant to today's world, and is consistent with the teachings of Jesus. For an idea of what I mean, read Matthew 25:35-40 (NIV). That encapsulates the essential teaching of Jesus. And this particular church works hard to put that teaching into practice.

And they do not ambush you on the street and shove religious tracts down your shirt front. They quietly "evangelize" by their example. Nor do they believe the Bible is the "inerrant Word of God." Much of it was written for the times in which it was written and bears little relevance to today's world. Such as the "laws" in the Book of Leviticus.

As some have said, "Even the Devil quotes scripture!"

As to my own religious beliefs, that is between God—if there is such a Being—and me, and is nobody else's business!!

You, Goofballupagus, are a FOOL.

Here's a Bible verse for you:   CLICKY.

Have a nice day.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:20 PM

You just can't stop lying, can you, Goofballupagus?

You know NOTHING.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:10 PM

For such an 'educated' Bishop, I'm ALMOST surprised you actually have very little understanding of the Bible!.....but then, in an earlier post, you did mention you only went to church because of the Ol' Lady...Refresh your own memory.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:48 PM

Thanks Don (s)

Now, as the pub beckons I shall do just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:30 PM

""And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
-- Genesis 1: 22-23 (KJV)""

Which is exactly why I have problems with the bible being the inerrant word, literally true, because no two versions actually agree on the wording or source of many oft quoted passages.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:04 PM

I believe it was Noah. After the arc came to ground on Mount Ararat after the Great Flood subsided, and the animals went out, two by two, Noah said, "Go forth and multiply."

Giving the arc one last check before he and his family left, he saw two snakes curled up in a corner and they were crying.

Noah said, "What are you still doing here? I said 'go forth and multiply.'"

"But we can't!" said one of the snakes. "We're adders!"

Rimshot!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 02:26 PM

Go forth and multiply.

I was always led to believe that is in the bible.

Although based on Akenaton's contribution above, we should be quoting from Mein Kampf. When people are forced to be tested for HIV, why not measure their nose length and check for circumcism whilst you are at it?

I wasn't doing a Godwin there, I read perhaps one of his most disturbing posts, and there have been a few candidates...

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 02:20 PM

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 12:24 PM

Bishop Frothing Flogger: "I shall, henceforth, follow the injunction in the Bible."....
(without the sophistry) Being as it came from you....Just to keep the record straight....

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. (Leviticus 18:22 NIV)[2]

20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

...you quote the bible, and even try to twist that!..(sophistry)


Translation:   "Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:35 PM

John in Kansas speaks the truth and wisdom.

I shall, henceforth, follow the injunction in the Bible. From the book of Proverbs:   "Go from the presence of a foolish man when thou percieveth not in him the lips of knowledge."

Translation:   "Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot!"

I'm not going to continue to waste my time.

Ta ta!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:57 PM

All those showing 'positive' to be euthanased and their 'brains' (assuming they have one) donated for dissection and medical research.

Hang on, though. Their brains would fetch very good money on eBay. You could advertise them as "hardly used".

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:30 PM

I do not compile these statistics.
If you are disgusted, please be disgusted by the official US health agency Centre for Disease Control.

Most of you, including Don, seem to be very intelligent people, why do you find it so hard to understand simple compilations.

There are two results which cannot be manipulated or misread, 63% of all new hiv cases are amongst MSM....and 79% of all new male hiv cases are amongst MSM.
That is not like saying,"that of all the people who have prostate cancer, 100% of them are men,"

Nothing like it, it points to serious health problems amongst male homosexuals.
Why do you say things like that Don? Is it just that you dont want a serious discussion of the issue.

I think thats what Ian and John P were getting at when they urged members "not to respond to my opinions lest it give me an air of respectibility".

I simply reprint the latest hiv figures to show that the point I am making is still valid, every year the new infection rate among male homosexuals rises by approx 10%, regardless of imformation, education or vast amounts of money thrown at the problem.

Only compulsory testing and contact tracing has any hope of stopping the epidemic.
Fidel Castro instigated this course of action in the eighties and Cuba has the lowest infection rates of any country in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:14 PM

There is significant new news about some developments on the original subject, but since this thread has degenerated into a flame war between the idiots and bigots (on a couple of "sides") and those who don't have the good sense to ignore and NOT RESPOND to them I guess I won't participate by adding them here.

John (middle name DISGUSTED)

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 06:55 PM

Prof the Froth: "P. S. Hasn't this thread more that run its course and is merely repeating itself over and over again?"

Well quit saying dumb things on it then and it would probably be a lot shorter!

The problem is that when food is only judged as good as it tastes, or sex is only thought of as a pleasure for your toys!

History will make complete buffoons out of this generation...bet on it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 03:10 PM

Ake's statistics are like saying that of all the people who have prostate cancer, 100% of them are men.

As my young neighbor would say, "Well, DUH!!"

And Gooballupagus is like the little old lady who insisted that the earth is not round, it's flat, and rests on the back of a giant turtle. When she was asked, ironically, by a young astronomer, "Oh, really? Tell, me, what does the giant turtle stand on?" she responded, "It's no good, young man. It's turtles all the way down!"

Amusing, but scientifically, it doesn't bear a great deal of resemblance to the real universe. As TIA just said, "Now don't argue with me, just go re-read the link in the OP."

Don Firth

P. S. Hasn't this thread more that run its course and is merely repeating itself over and over again?

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:08 PM

By "turn of events" do you mean that the entire profession that you claim to belong to, and the profession that Akenaton tries to use to camouflage his bigotry have utterly renounced your position?
That is surely an interesting turn of events.
Now don't argue with me, just go re-read the link in the OP.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 12:16 PM

Hi, Ake..been a while....interesting turn of events....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:59 AM

200!

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:57 AM

I feel there should be compulsory testing for Bigotry, Homophobia and General Malevolence. All those showing 'positive' to be euthanased and their 'brains' (assuming they have one) donated for dissection and medical research.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:39 AM

Latest (March 2013) CDC hiv figures.
78% of all new male hiv infections in the United States of America were amongst MSM.

and the beat goes on. These figures were composed from data aquired in 2010.....and at the current rise in infection rates the figure for this year will be between 80 and 90%

How many more need to become infected before compulsory testing and contact tracing is instigated?

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:07 AM

Musket: "Same sex marriage doesn't need counseling, society does..."

There is an old joke that you just described, and you put yourself on the 'other' side....sometimes people adopt a position that is completely inside out....
Ever heard of "I'm not crazy..it's the rest of the world!"
             Compare to:
"Same sex marriage doesn't need counselling, society does..."

Makes ya' wanna go, "Hmmmmmm"

GfS

P.S. Hey, i didn't say it......

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 02:02 AM

The End

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 01:28 AM

Thanks Don. Yes it is time for the childish amongst us to re-read the link in the OP.

The real experts who have studied the real facts have cut off the childish bigots at the knees.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 12:30 PM

I know Don. That is why I was trying to get back on course to the thread. Feeding the irrational hobby horse of an obviously unhinged person isn't what people wish to read, hence trying to deflect the issue somewhat. Guest from Sanity isn't a nice person, and I suppose calling him Goofus almost makes his twisted rotten posts seem as if we are laughing with him. Rather than at him...

I do feel though that there is always a place for threads such as this. You state quite correctly that Gay marriage is a fact so the thread is therefore obsolete. For my money, these threads flush out the nasty buggers so as people can be wary of them on other matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 10:41 AM

This thread has long since lost any connection with the OP reference to the real topic.

It has now become a stalking exercise in which he who has clearly gone from anything relating to sanity, is carrying out a series of ad hominem attacks based on his twisted misinterpretation of something Don F said ages ago.

He has taken what was a pefectly reasonable comment and altered it beyond recognition, building a pack of filthy, foul mouthed lies, which he is embellishing post by post to denigrate the man who has constantly showed him up for the mean spirited, nasty, adolescent Walter Mitty he really is.

Time that this now obsolete (gay marriage is a fact) thread was consigned to the bin.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 05:01 AM

In other matters..

The new Archbishop of Canterbury, and I suppose he is the Anglican version of the Pope, said this morning that he accepts the church's stance, but as a person he struggles with it.

About as good as you are going to get I suppose. the problem with clever people in charge of faith is that they too see the absurdity of it, but lose the fringe benefits, pointy hat, gilded pension etc if they say so.

Same sex marriage doesn't need counselling, society does...

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 10:18 PM

Well, I think.

Whatever that is that you do inside your head bears no relation to rational thought.

Only bigotry, hatred, and fear of your own genes.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 09:56 PM

You think???



Whatever....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 09:32 PM

Goofballupagus, that post exceeded even your own standards for sheer stupidity.

People can read what I wrote for themselves and make up their own minds. They don't need the likes of you to tell them what to think.

Take your meds.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 08:15 PM

To drive a nail in the coffin even further, check this out..from the "RE: An Open Letter to Michelle Shocked" thread:



From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 05:23 PM

"Worth a read.

I have never met a "cured" homosexual who was not psychologically screwed up in one way or another."

(My insertion)....Then if you never met one, perhaps you should have not touted yourself as a homosexual activist, being as you have very limited exposure, to many that have got out of it.

Frotho continues: "And, as a matter of fact, a follow-up study on a group of "cured" homosexuals verifies my observation."


(My insertion)....a study??...by who?..who funded it??...for what outcome???

Frotho continues: "For the vast majority in the study, after "therapy," simply reverted to their former behavior."


(My insertion)....BEHAVIOR???????????? Where have I heard that before??? I thought you were bantering that it was 'genetic', as if they were another species of humans, who were due 'equality' for their BEHAVIOR!


Froth continues: "A large percentage bailed out, gave up sexual activity entirely, and became celibate."

So fucking what??? Are you assigning sexual activity quotas now?? That is their own business, not yours, nor ANY political ideology's business. There are a lot of Catholic clergy who are celibate, too..you aren't frothing about that...and how about them there Buddhist Monks....screams, OH my God, they are celibate!!..quick 'fix' them!!

Frotho: "And more than a quarter of the sample began to suffer from serious anxiety and depression. There were six suicides."

Because they were celibate?? not homosexual?? felt shame?? inadequate?? damage done from being homosexual??
Your innuendos are just sophistry incomplete!

Frotho: "So it would appear that Michelle Shocked might be one of "the cured."

I thought you said it wasn't possible....

Being as you seem, really not too knowledgeable about the topic of your 'politically based homosexual activism', I think you should seriously consider retiring from it.....you just don't know enough about giving REAL support to the PERSONS affected, and your chief concern is how you 'look' as an 'activist'.

Don Firth

Don't bother replying...your trip is a farce.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 12:43 AM

Frotho: "..I.was getting tired of listening to your irrational ravings...blah blah blah..."

Your sophistry is showing again.

You absolutely cannot be taken seriously!..You've got NOTHING!

Call the 'Wah-mbulance'!

With a major smile on my face!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 10:26 PM

Just looking in for a moment.

No, I'm not hiding, Goofup. First, I had an appointment, and second, I was getting tired of listening to your irrational ravings.

Yeah, Froggy, I thing Goofy is right in there with the good Reverend Phelps.

(As far as I'm concerned, hell isn't hot enought for alleged "men of God" who promulgate hatred!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:25 PM

gfs: do you think that Fred Phelps, of the Westboro Baptist Church, should be respected as a person who grasps and promulgates truth?

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:58 PM

Yeah, If I were you, I'd be hiding, too!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:49 PM

By the way, I'll be gone for much of the rest of the day.

I have rational humans to deal with in the 3D world.

Have a good time spinning, Goofup.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:48 PM

Ya' think they may have been better prepared if the 'sophists' (your buddies) were concerned with the truth..and threat assessment?

By the way...no mention of your other false position???..You know, the one that insisted homosexuals could not 'change their minds'???....and BEHAVIOR????

Knowing you, and your normal 'tactic-antics', you'll skip over it!

...but it don't wash, Don..You've been wrong all the way through this!

so make 'light' of it...it's all you got!

Must be 'genetic'...or did you learn it from the 'kids in school'...along with what it is to be a father....

...arrogant morons!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:46 PM

From your own link, Goofup:

3. To make more complex or inclusive; refine.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:19 PM

And by the way, it was not any crumbling from within that brought Athens down, or a failure of their political and economic system, it was invasion by the militaristic Spartans, as I said, followed by invasion by Philip of Macedonia.

It's in the book.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:18 PM

Better read all of this, Bucko!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:09 PM

Sorry, typing in haste. Not Socrates. Plato.

Goofup will do a whole riff on that!

(Well, at least it will keep him off the street.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:05 PM

The early Sophists were extremely knowledgeable, and were professional teachers. It was later on that some would-be teachers gave them a bad reputation as pretending to have knowledge that they didn't really have. It was this latter group that Socrates was criticizing in The Republic.

I hardly qualify as a Sophist of the latter kind. Other than music, I do not profess to be a teacher. But I am quite knowledgeable. Simple enough. I enjoyed high school, I enjoyed college. I stayed awake in class. And I generally took notes. And I am a voracious reader on a whole range of subjects. Furthermore, if I don't have the knowledge right at my fingertips, I know how to go about getting it.

There is nothing unique about this. Any well-educated person can do it.

You've got it wrong, Goofup. A person who is sophisticated is knowledgeable and worldly. What you are talking about is called a "pseudo-sophisticate."

That's not me. I can back up what I say, whether or not you accept facts as facts. If you do not, that's not my problem, it's yours.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:44 PM

The 'Professor': "'ll let someone else field this one.
For now, I'm laughing too hard to type anything!"

yeah, yeah, yeah, and more blah blah blah blah....which amounts to more 'sophistry'.

Let someone else do your frothing, eh?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:39 PM

I'll let someone else field this one.

For now, I'm laughing too hard to type anything!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:23 PM

Here's some more links to 'Sophists'...Yahoo search page

Winking and Waving!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:21 PM

Professor Frothing: "And do I twist and distort history as you claim?

Boy, am I relishing this moment!!

Don posted: "Now he's trying to say, "Some of my best friends and homosexuals?"

NOWHERE in my post did I even allude to that! (go check, it's just a couple of posts back). Your quotation marks are EXACTLY the kind of twisting of other people's posts, that you disagree with, exploratory tactical antics, for which you are famous(and not favorably) for!!!

..and that is just for starters!

The fall of Greek's Democracy was not due solely to homosexuality, as you mistakenly thought, I was going to post. Not at all, but it was just a symptom, of yet, the greater problem!!

Now, what was that 'S' word???

Something that is deeply ingrained in your make up.....and WHY you favor(mistakenly so) that particular Greek model.

Does the word 'SOPHISTS' ring a bell?...as in 'Sophistry'????

In the Greek Senate, the 'Assembly' (Senators) employed 'Sophistry'..to wit, the ability to wrangle a debate, not based on FACTS, but their abilities to manipulate the language, and logic, to 'win' a debate.


From definitions of Sophists:

"[In the Gorgias and elsewhere] Plato critiques the Sophists for privileging appearances over reality, making the weaker argument appear the stronger, preferring the pleasant over the good, favoring opinions over the truth and probability over certainty, and choosing rhetoric over philosophy. In recent times, this unflattering portrayal has been countered with a more sympathetic appraisal of the Sophists' status in antiquity as well as their ideas for modernity."
(John Poulakos, "Sophists," Encyclopedia of Rhetoric. Oxford Univ. Press, 2001)...
From this site......though there are quite a few!

..and in the course of their Sophistry, they, for their self-aggrandizement they weakened Greece, and made it vulnerable.

You have bullshitted with your nonsensical rhetoric, for far too long, citing outright lies, misinformation, (not to mention DIS-information), and done so purposely...as if, as you posted, liking our exchanges to a fencing match! Truth was NOT important to your end game...never was, and probably won't ever be. You just wanted to smear your way into your 'so-called' liberal 'activism' and you didn't care one iota if your posts even resembled truth, at all...it just had to 'sound rhetorically' on.

..and by golly, your last post gives yet another example of your brand of horseshit!

Yes, it was the egocentric Sophists who weakened Greece.
Finances were diverted from essential needs...but they sure made a name for themselves!

From the word 'Sophist', and 'Sophistry' we get the word 'Sophisticated'...which in its definition means 'NOT GENUINE'!!!

Gosh..sounds like somebody we know...The Professor!

So to quote YOU!!!..."Fer Crissake, Goofup, READ A BOOK!!"

Oh, and by the way....you and I went roundabout the issue of homosexuals being able to not be a homosexual any longer...look what I found in Yahoo News, just today.....

"(Michelle)In 1990, Shocked opened up about coming out and having a relationship with a woman. But the born-again Christian's tune changed a decade later when she denied all gay labels. Shocked has since referred to herself as the "world's greatest homophobe," according to the Best of New Orleans blog.

In a 2008 interview with LGBT publication The Dallas Voice, Shocked seemed to be grappling with her feelings."

from the Huffington Post

Si I guess she's wrong about herself, too, as you will probably SUPPOSE!

Have a Great Day!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:55 PM

Did you want to hear from the good professor? Or is the illustrious professor someone else?

Let's find out shall we?

HERE BOY!

Woof! Grrrr Woof!

That's right boy. Goofus is confusing himself again.   What's that boy?

Woof! Oowwwwwww. WOOF

Well if you don't mind me saying so, thats a bit extreme, even for Goofus. But if your recommended treatment is in line with NICE standards, then I suppose we can. Make his eyes water all the same...

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:45 PM

And do I twist and distort history as you claim?

Fer Crissake, Goofup, READ A BOOK!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:38 PM

Cross posted with Goofup.

Now he's trying to say, "Some of my best friends and homosexuals?"

And one of them, on his death bed, shared the secret handshake with Goofup?

My, oh my, where have I heard things like that before?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Counselors on same sex marriage
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:12 PM

Of course. Goofup is claiming that the downfall of Athens and the First Democracy happened because, as we all know, all Greeks were "queer," according to people like Goofup (If that were true, then where did little Greeks come from?).

The truth of the matter is that Athenian Democracy lasted for a good 200 years, and all in all, it worked quite well. It did have it's flaws. Women were not regarded as citizens of Athens, and Athenians kept slaves (usually people captured in Athens' occasional wars with other city-states). Many Greeks at that time said that a true Democracy should not keep slaves, and as I mentioned above, many said that to exclude women from deliberations and policy decisions wasted half of the intellectual power of Athens.

Nevertheless, with those two exceptions, Democracy worked well in Athens. Education of Athenian citizens was at a very high level. Among other things, art, sculpture, music, writing, and drama thrived and evolved at a tremendous rate, as did philosophy and science. It was an ancient Greek who first said that the earth was round and gave a pretty good estimate of its diameter (he used geometry after measuring shadows cast at high noon in two separate locations a year apart on the longest day of the year).

On the homosexuality issue, Greeks were no more homosexual than any other population. But the fact that they considered this kind of relationship as perfectly acceptable has stuck in the craw of people like Goofup, who are convinced that, no matter how much they advanced civilization and fostered the arts and the sciences, and produced some of the greatest thinkers of all time (Plato, Aristotle, and dozens of others I could list), they were all a bunch of "perverts."

Homosexuality was no more prevalent then that it is today, it's simply that they believed your sex life was your business, as long as you didn't do it in the middle of the street and frighten the horses.

Athens fell, not by internal corruption as people like Goofup would have you believe, but because they were invaded by Sparta during the Peloponnesian War and subsequently defeated by superior military forces. Shortly thereafter, Sparta and all its occupied territories (including Athens) was conquered by Philip of Macedonia, the father of Alexander the Great, who went on to conquer and subjugate most of the known world by the time he was thirty.

This ended the world's first successful Democracy.

There was much wrong with Athenian Democracy as constituted, but there was also much right about it. And there is much we could learn from a system which was, in many ways, superior to our own.

Don Firth