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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:48 PM In the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG), Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Obamacare does NONE of these things. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:34 PM You haven't proven anything, wrongman, other than the fact that you are delusional... You have never answered the question that has been asked of you: Is Obama forcing birth control on anyone??? Yes____ No_____ B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:22 PM I thought you were a national socialist, Songwronger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:21 PM 1) I am NOT a National Socialist (you have lowered yourself to accusing those who disagree with you of being Nazis). 2) You have NOT proven that Obamacare = genocide. The only thing you've proven is that you don't know the meaning of the words you are using. AND that you're hatred for Obama has led you to irrationality. You, sir, are making a complete ass of yourself. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:13 PM Well, I've shown that Obamacare = genocide. I'll never convince the national socialists here to admit otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: ollaimh Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:06 PM hey h=joem yeah depriving people of health care comes under the definition of genocide when it fits the other criteria, like a dominant group disenfranchising a minority, and taking their land, removing most civil rights. America has done all this to nastives and black people. and of course supporting arming and funding genocidal regimes throughout the hemisphere, especially Guatemala. but killing ferners or injuns and destroying their children in the goulish residential schools, doesn't count eh joe. ther church run schoold measnt well--too bad so many died from the deprival of nutrition and health care. hallelujah we're saved |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:54 PM ...or 201... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:53 PM Ahhhh, not to mention that she is so ugly that she'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd even knock her up with a stolen dick... And 200... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:51 PM CC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 28 Mar 13 - 06:22 PM Well, that would certainly explain a lot! Ann Coulter doesn't have to worry about using birth control. She eats her young. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 13 - 05:19 PM LOL, Bobster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 13 - 04:34 PM "I thought this thread was started by Ann Coulter"... Who's to know it wasn't... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:54 PM ""I have expressed NO support for either side- But I have made statements of fact that support someone who was being accused falsely of making up information. It is a pity that actually hearing a person say something is not valid to the liberals here unless they have a web reference, and then they deny any web reference that they disagree with."" Your unsupported word would not carry a case in any court of law. Why should you assume that it would be any different here. Hence I ask for links to those programs, so that I can hear whether your assertions are true. It's nothing personal. I ask no less of anybody else. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM I though the thread was started by Ann Coulter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: frogprince Date: 28 Mar 13 - 11:04 AM Has anyone thought that just maybe a thread like this is what you get for attempting to respond to a mindless psychotic rant in the first place? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 13 - 09:37 AM Another attack from the resident rascist lying scumbag. Be careful, Don: You may have to get out of the gutter and slowly walk away... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Greg F. Date: 28 Mar 13 - 09:25 AM RE: BB-If you want to be taken seriously... I don't think anyone does, Don, or will in future. Problem solved. (PS: Oh, you nasty bigot, you, picking on poor little BB!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 13 - 09:20 AM Obama's Flip-Flops on Money in Politics: A Brief History by Justin Elliott ProPublica, Jan. 30, 2013, 3 p.m. When President Obama told supporters that he would morph his campaign into a new nonprofit that would accept unlimited corporate donations, the announcement set off a familiar round of griping from campaign finance reformers. The creation this month of Organizing for Action, which will promote the president's second-term agenda, appears to be the fourth reversal by Obama on major money-in-politics issues since 2008. "No big bank or corporation will donate million-dollar checks to OFA without the expectation that it will impact which issues they engage on, and that's very troubling," said Adam Green of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. The Washington Post noted that in reorganizing his campaign as a tax-exempt social welfare group, the president is embracing a structure that has been criticized for allowing anonymous money into politics. Conservatives who've been attacked by the Obama camp for their reliance on such "dark money" groups called out the president's "brazen hypocrisy." Neither the White House nor Organizing for America responded to requests for comment. Here's a brief history of Obama's other shifts on money-in-politics issues going back to 2008: Public financing In November 2007, then-Sen. Barack Obama pledged to take part in the presidential public financing system for the general election, calling himself "a longtime advocate for public financing of campaigns." Under the system, created in the wake of Watergate, a candidate receives taxpayer money ($84 million in 2008) and cannot accept most private donations or spend beyond the amount of the government grant. Less than a year later, in June 2008, Obama reversed himself and announced he was opting out of the system. He maintained he still supported the system in principle but said it should be reformed. Obama became the first candidate to decline general election public financing since the creation of the system and went on to raise a then-record $745 million for the cycle. He outspent John McCain, who did accept public money, by four-to-one. Obama's 2008 decision generally takes at least some of the blame from campaign finance observers for killing the system. Neither Obama nor Mitt Romney accepted public financing in the 2012 race. The Obama campaign raised $782 million for the cycle. Super PACs When the U.S. Supreme Court issued its 2010 Citizens United decision, opening the way for the creation of super PACs financed with unlimited corporate or individual money, Obama became the ruling's biggest critic. "Last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests u2014 including foreign corporations u2014 to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said in his State of the Union address a few days after the decision. "I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities." That criticism turned into a pledge not to use the new funding vehicles. In July 2011, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the Washington Post: "Neither the president nor his campaign staff or aides will fundraise for super PACs. Our campaign will continue to lead the way when it comes to transparency and reform." Seven months later, the campaign reversed itself and embraced a super PAC founded by former White House aides called Priorities USA Action. "[O]ur campaign has to face the reality of the law as it currently stands," wrote campaign manager Jim Messina in a blog post. With the blessing of the campaign, top Obama aides, such as then-Chief of Staff Jack Lew and confidantes like Rahm Emanuel, were dispatched to solicit super PAC donations from Democratic millionaires and billionaires. Priorities USA ultimately spent more than $60 million to help re-elect the president. Is THIS too conservative for you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 13 - 09:15 AM More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish "special interests" from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events, an investigation by iWatch News has found. These "bundlers" raised at least $50,000 — and sometimes more than $500,000 — in campaign donations for Obama's campaign. Many of those in the "Class of 2008" are now being asked to bundle contributions for Obama's reelection, an effort that could cost $1 billion. As a candidate, Obama spoke passionately about diminishing the clout of moneyed interests. Kicking off his presidential run on Feb. 10, 2007, he blasted "the cynics, the lobbyists, the special interests," who had "turned our government into a game only they can afford to play." "We're here today to take it back," he said. But just like other presidential aspirants, Obama relied heavily on megadonors to propel his campaign across the finish line, and many fundraisers have shared in the spoils of victory. The White House insisted its appointees are eminently qualified. "In filling these posts, the administration looks for the most qualified candidates who represent Americans from all walks of life," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said. "Being a donor does not get you a job in this administration, nor does it preclude you from getting one." The iWatch News investigation found: • Overall, 184 of 556, or about one-third of Obama bundlers or their spouses joined the administration in some role. But the percentages are much higher for the big-dollar bundlers. Nearly 80 percent of those who collected more than $500,000 for Obama took "key administration posts," as defined by the White House. More than half the 24 ambassador nominees who were bundlers raised $500,000. • The big bundlers had broad access to the White House for meetings with top administration officials and glitzy social events. In all, campaign bundlers and their family members account for more than 3,000 White House meetings and visits. Half of them raised $200,000 or more. • Some Obama bundlers have ties to companies that stand to gain financially from the president's policy agenda, particularly in clean energy and telecommunications, and some already have done so. Level 3 Communications, for instance, snared $13.8 million in stimulus money. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56993.html#ixzz2Oq8fgbF6 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 13 - 09:08 AM "Part of the reason we send you all these emails is that we don't accept any money from special-interest groups or Washington lobbyists. " Want to dispute this site? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 13 - 08:05 AM Don T "YOU made the claim!........GIVE LINKS TO OBAMA SAYING ALL THOSE THINGS! If you want to be taken seriously, it's for YOU to prove your argument, not us. " I DID, ASSHOLE! I stated that I had heard ( on the radio, with my own ears,) his speeches that stated the mentioned items. I have expressed NO support for either side- But I have made statements of fact that support someone who was being accused falsely of making up information. It is a pity that actually hearing a person say something is not valid to the liberals here unless they have a web reference, and then they deny any web reference that they disagree with. Sounds like a bunch of bigots to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:56 AM ""I am a member of the national American group. The Obamacare tax has been imposed on me. The tax money will be used for birth control. Against my wishes."" I am a member of the national UK group. Income tax has been imposed on me. The tax money will be used for many necessary purposes, including birth control. Against my wishes? Possibly, but that's what happens when you vote in a government, you get the package and by majority vote you have given them the mandate to decide exactly how and on what, they spend those taxes. They don't instruct or persuade anybody either to use, or not to use those facilities they fund. If you don't see the disconnect between paying general taxes and the government doing what it was elected to do, with your mandate as a winning or losing voter, and distributing that money, then you are not as smart as you think you are. It's the way democracy works, me lad, and if you don't like it, save up and buy yourself an island, because dictatorships are worse. No genocide here folks, move along now! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:37 AM ""I get the distinct impression that GUEST,Niggardly Bastard and GUEST,Guest from Sanity are one and the same person."" With distinct undertones of both Henry Krinkle and Richie Black. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:35 AM ""Like bobette. My statements can be substaniated. Yours are all fluff. And so can your use of two or more identities to back yourself up, if you are too dim to alter your style of delivery, be substaniated(sic). Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Mar 13 - 07:31 AM I was simply pointing out that you have not made a coherent argument. ""You may get to the point of being able to correctly say "LOGICAL FALLACY" if you actually ever say something to refute. But even then, uppercase letters will not strengthen your argument." "Hillary Clinton. Do you recall when he ran against her for president in the 2008 race one of his reasons given to not vote for her was because she voted to go to war in Iraq." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama said this?"" That's not how it works BB! YOU made the claim!........GIVE LINKS TO OBAMA SAYING ALL THOSE THINGS! If you want to be taken seriously, it's for YOU to prove your argument, not us. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Mar 13 - 05:52 AM The flights of fancy a man a sets free When ignoring the dictionary Don't try to stop his saintly mission By encumbering him with definition |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Mar 13 - 03:25 AM I am also inclined to think that a "national group" refers to a group within a nation and not the whole of the nation that imposes the measure. But I expect that this is a bit subtle for you, ding-dong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Mar 13 - 03:16 AM Can you not get it through your thick head, ding-dong, that while the tax is imposed THAT measure does not (nor is intended to) PREVENT births? I don't think I've ever seen such wilful stupidity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Mar 13 - 03:09 AM "Pathetic Jack. Disagree with someone and they are a troll." No, my friend, Saying "I agree." to posts that are obviously trolling is trolling. Using a a name like "GUEST,Niggardly Bastard" unregistered, posting snarky comments to a political thread would get you banned pretty quickly from most forums. You are a ditto troll. There have been plenty of others. If you are amusing yourself, by all means carry on. Or you can register and talk sensibly. I don't care either way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Ebbie Date: 28 Mar 13 - 02:06 AM "The Obamacare tax has been imposed on me. The tax money will be used for birth control. Against my wishes. I am the aggrieved party. I have been imposed upon. Obamacare is committing genocide against me and the other members of my national group, according to the U.N. Obamacare is: "(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group." Damn. You mean that every time you don a condom you are honoring the President's evil plot? I see why you are so upset- you have to obey, because ya never know who is watching. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 28 Mar 13 - 01:19 AM Songwronger, Obamacare does NOT IMPOSE birth control on anyone. It is a tax supported health care system, like most civilized countries have, and among other things, it makes birth control available to those who want it. DO join the rest of the civilized world and try to stop letting your hatred for Obama rot your brain. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 28 Mar 13 - 12:47 AM Well, that's what genocide means to YOU, Don Firth. The U.N. has a broader definition of it. And under the U.N.'s guidelines, "imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" is genocide. The reasoning's not convoluted at all: a) "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the (national) group" is genocide, according to the U.N. b) Obamacare taxes Americans so that birth control can be provided. c) The tax is forcibly imposed. That's genocide, and it's wrong. I haven't attacked Obama in this thread. Obamacare is being imposed with the help of both Democrats and Republicans, and with the help of all four branches of government (the complicit media being the fourth). But the fact that Obama's name is attached to the turd of Obamacare will mark him in history as a genocidalist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 28 Mar 13 - 12:32 AM We post because we care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:52 PM Songwronger, that is one of the most convoluted pieces of "reasoning" that I've ever read, and I've read some real doozeys!! I still don't see how you get "genocide" out of that! Hitler's shipping of Jews off to the death camps was genocide. Obamacare is not. Quite the opposite. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 27 Mar 13 - 11:02 PM Just a clarification, Mr. Niggardly Bastard. I didn't actually agree with anything that Jack The Sailor had said prior to his posting my 'welcome' post. In fact, I was expressing my disagreement with the tendency to deviate from arguing the point and instead denigrating the person. And interestingly enough, some of the people that I had the strongest disagreement with in that area ended up giving what I thought were 'delightful' responses on my welcome post. I thank them. And I would welcome you to do the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:32 PM I don't care to post the definition of genocide again, Mr. Bridge. It's there if you want to read it. I am a member of the national American group. The Obamacare tax has been imposed on me. The tax money will be used for birth control. Against my wishes. I am the aggrieved party. I have been imposed upon. Obamacare is committing genocide against me and the other members of my national group, according to the U.N. Obamacare is: (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 27 Mar 13 - 10:00 PM I get the distinct impression that GUEST,Niggardly Bastard and GUEST,Guest from Sanity are one and the same person. Anybody else get that impression? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 27 Mar 13 - 09:40 PM Pathetic Jack. Disagree with someone and they are a troll. Agree and you start an entire thread welcoming one individual. You don't have a leg to stand on with your argument. But you don't have to. You're a kneejerk Obama apologist. Like bobette. My statements can be substaniated. Yours are all fluff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:11 PM How about a fact or a source? I'd settle for a self-contained expressed thought |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 13 - 07:07 PM (((yawn))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:06 PM " I was simply pointing out that you have not made a coherent argument. You may get to the point of being able to correctly say "LOGICAL FALLACY" if you actually ever say something to refute. But even then, uppercase letters will not strengthen your argument." "Hillary Clinton. Do you recall when he ran against her for president in the 2008 race one of his reasons given to not vote for her was because she voted to go to war in Iraq." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama said this? "Then when he won he hired her for a top job." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama did this? "He also promised not to take corporate donations." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama said this? "He took them anyway." VERIFIED BY LOOKING AT THE STATEMENTS BY OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNS Do you deny that Obama's campaigns did take corporate/lobbiest money? OK, just answer the questions. Are there any points I have made that you deny? " Using uppercase letters rather than tell us what the heck he is talking about... He has no credibility. He does support anything he says. It's not communication when the thoughts you are having stay in your head." OK, PLEASE tell me what your comment is saying- it does not dispute my factual statements, nor does it negate the fact that my post is in response to the claim " More proclamations and no sources... " I gave facts and sources- What have you contributed to yhe discussion besides unfounded attacks on people that you disagree with? "Ad Hominum: Translated from the Latin for, "To the man," an ad hominum argument is just that. When an argument starts getting personal and attacks are made against a person, RATHER than to support an argument, that is an ad hominum logical fallacy. In any situation, mudslinging is a poor substitute for a well-reasoned argument. Read more at Suite101: Logical Fallacy | Suite101 http://suite101.com/article/logical-fallacy-a24506#ixzz2OlxUlgN1 Follow us: @suite101 on Twitter | Suite101 on Facebook" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:52 PM GUEST,Niggardly Bastard, Allow me to inform you that we have had ditto trolls on this forum before. What you are doing is just more useless noise. You seem harmless. Carry on if you are amusing yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:49 PM Bruce, If there are any facts or arguments related to that post they are still locked up in your head. I was simply pointing out that you have not made a coherent argument. You may get to the point of being able to correctly say "LOGICAL FALLACY" if you actually ever say something to refute. But even then, uppercase letters will not strengthen your argument. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:43 PM Bobert: "Hillary Clinton. Do you recall when he ran against her for president in the 2008 race one of his reasons given to not vote for her was because she voted to go to war in Iraq." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama said this? "Then when he won he hired her for a top job." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama did this? "He also promised not to take corporate donations." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA Do you deny that Obama said this? "He took them anyway." VERIFIED BY LOOKING AT THE STATEMENTS BY OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNS Do you deny that obama's campaigns did take corporate/lobbiest money? OK, just answer the questions. Are there any points I have made that you deny? So where is the "hate & noise" except in your own posts?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:21 PM I approve bruce's message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:58 PM Jack, You are attacking me rather than disputing the facts I present- LOGICAL FALLACY on your part. Bobert, You are making unsubstantiated claims,. Address the facts, or admit you don't even bother listening to what is said by me, or by Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:55 PM Yes... Just more BB hate & noise... Normal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:43 PM beardedbruce, beardedbruce, beardedbruce Using uppercase letters rather than tell us what the heck he is talking about... He has no credibility. He does support anything he says. It's not communication when the thoughts you are having stay in your head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:37 PM Bobert, Bobert, Bobert... "Hillary Clinton. Do you recall when he ran against her for president in the 2008 race one of his reasons given to not vote for her was because she voted to go to war in Iraq." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA "Then when he won he hired her for a top job." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA "He also promised not to take corporate donations." VERIFIED BY LISTENING TO OBAMA "He took them anyway." VERIFIED BY LOOKING AT THE STATEMENTS BY OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNS He has no integrity. He lies. CONCLUSIONS FROM THE ABOVE DEMONSTRATED FACTS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:29 PM More proclamations and no sources... Uh huh... B~ |
