BS: Obamacare = Genocide

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Larry Saidman
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 11:15 PM

I find it intriguing---and a bit upsetting--- that so many people are unwilling or unable to stick to the points under discussion and instead make personal attacks. To my mind, there's a big difference between saying that a person's argument is illogical, or even 'stupid' (if one wants to be blunt), and saying that the person himself is stupid.

I respect the fact that as I read this thread, Little Hawk consistently kept a clear perspective on that difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:47 PM

Right. Anyone who oozes hate the way he does just isn't normal. Maybe he was one of those unwanted and subsequently abused children I was talking about.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:11 PM

Ain't no meds in the world, Don, that would help this guy... He has a serous personality disorder bordering on full fledged psychosis...

B~(former social worker working with the mentally ill)

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:05 PM

BTW, Joe... Everyone knew GUEST was the wrongman...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:04 PM

I'm willing to pay a little extra in taxes to help people avoid having unwanted children, which adds to their poverty and results in my taxes being raised even further. And unwanted children are often abused, which in itself is to be prevented. It is a bad thing in itself, but it often results in turning the youngster into a juvenile delinquent or badly disturbed adult, and that can have a deleterious effect on society as a whole.

Suck it up, Songwronger! (And take your meds!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:58 PM

Bottom line, wronger???

You could say that Obama is a Kenyan from Mars and guess what???

By your moronic standards no one could prove you wrong...

I mean, when you make the most idiotic statements in the world that have no basis in reality there is nothing that anyone could say that would make you happy,,,

You have a serious personality disorder... Period...

B

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:56 PM

Anonymous poster is Songwronger.

Is it genocide if it's voluntary, Songwronger?

The Obamacare insurance offers contraceptives. I don't believe it pays for abortions, although I suppose some people argue that some contraceptives cause "chemical" abortions. Whatever the case, the program does not require a woman to get any treatment she does not want to get.

That voluntary aspect more-or-less refutes any tiny shred of sanity your contention might have had. But hey, it was insane in the first place.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:39 PM

I still see no refutation that Obamacare = Genocide.

1 - Obamacare taxation will be used to pay for birth control.

2 - So, tax = condoms, or tax = abortions.

3 - This tax is being imposed on taxpayers, therefore, abortions are being imposed on taxpayers.

4 - The U.N. says genocide is "imposing measures to prevent births within the (national) group."

I can't make it much simpler.

The original post has a link to a Wikipedia article about the Genocide Convention, by the way. Here it is again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

Look at 2 d. "Imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group." And I haven't even addressed Section 3, which deals with conspiracy, incitement and attempt to commit genocide. The mere act of canvassing for Obamacare was genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: pdq
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:29 PM

one hunnert

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:19 PM

One would think the real "genocide" is withholding healthcare from the people for ideological reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 09:08 PM

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
                               --William Shakespeare

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: pdq
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 08:27 PM

this thread is about as interesting as watching Howard Stern change his smelly gym socks

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 08:20 PM

Will Obamacare lead to a return of the Eugenics Movement?
Will Amerika develop into The Master Race?
Time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:59 PM

Oh for fuck's sake.

Taxation may be used to fund the availability of contraception, but it does not impose measures to prevent births.

GET AN EDUCATION, IDIOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Songwronger
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:52 PM

Damned cookie monster.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:51 PM

Obamacare is forced taxation, and the taxes go to pay for abortions and contraceptives. "Imposing measures to prevent births within the (national) group" is one of the U.N.'s definitions of genocide.

Obamacare is genocide against the American people. Forced taxation to prevent births.

And some of you are fine with that. But I don't like genocide. In any form. If I supported this type of genocide, then I would have to support the Hitlerian kind. Or can you support soft genocide but not the hard kind? Can you be a little bit pregnant?

Say no to genocide. Say no to Obamacare.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:36 PM

No. This thread is based on a distortion of the word impose which was cleared up long ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:23 PM

This thread is about Obamacare.
Not Gun Control Legislation.
Take your Gun Control posts to the Gun Control Thread.
Obamacare is just another Taxpayer Ripoff.
You'll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 04:27 PM

Still talking to yourself, I see, Niggardly Goofy Guest.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 04:17 PM

Niggardly Bastard...I agree with your last two messages!

GfS

P.S....even though some only post to TRY to persuade common sense to depart further from 'normal' citizens, and have it replaced with stupid political hidden agendas!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM

It is a political debate and a political battle. That is why it is news. That is why events and positions are rhetorically exaggerated. I do not look out my window and see gun battles or even armed people. Trained and responsible Sheriff's deputies protect all of the schools in this area. Not untrained teachers buying weapons and ammo from the NRA's sponsors. So no I am not "waiting for the next High School massacre."

You Englishmen have a right to express your opinions. But when those opinions are half baked and ill-informed, people closer to the situation are obligated to let you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 02:09 PM

Richard, I said, "......there is a substantial number of us who are, indeed, working very hard toward those ends."

This IS true, and being in another country and counting on the news you are fed, you are obviously unaware of this. Be assured that there ARE, INDEED, may people petitioning, writing and phoning their political representatives, and generally working to change the status quo.

Just this morning on the news, I heard that yet another state has passed a law insisting on background checks before purchasing firearms and still another state is passing laws to ban gun shows, requiring that all firearms sales be made only by a legally authorized dealer.

Needless to say, the National Rifle Association (the "gun lobby") is furious.

This doesn't solve the problem by any means, but it's certainly a step in the right direction, with more to come.

It's easy to make judgements from afar, but one runs the risk of being wrong and talking nonsense.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:03 AM

Songwronger posts because he cares.
As we all do.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Stu
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 07:57 AM

Apologies everyone for the way the thread has gone, rose to the bait and that was a mistake.

I'll get me coat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 06:36 AM

The best idea for the US's healthcare would be a National Health Service - but we are scrapping ours. The tide is flowing the wrong way. "Obamacare" is the next best option, allowing some healthcare, even if most of the money goes to fat cat profiteers.

And meanwhile, back to the topic, how about compulsory education and mental health care so that DingDong could learn how to read or think or even both?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 04:59 AM

Bush wanted to funnel Social Security deductions to Wall Street. A great idea, so he said.
America said no.
Wall Street collapsed.
Obama is going to force us to funnel money that's already been taxed to Wall Street with the lame excuse that it is a tax.
Wall Street is going to become healthy with Obamacare.
And nobody else.
Watch and see.
It's like GWB never left office.
You heard it here first.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 03:35 AM

Don Firth, if the views you state to be the norm were so, and were expressed to be so, your democracy would not be backtracking as it is on arms control.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 12:14 AM

Richard, Use Google, show me that the majority of this country is all those things. The reports and stats are out there. The News reports you choose to watch are not my concern. It is apparent that you are not very discerning.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 11:33 PM

Richard, all of the things that you suggest that Americans should do in your post above, be aware that there is a substantial number of us who are, indeed, working very hard toward those ends.

And I agree that this thread should have ended before the first post, which was nothing more than pure hate-mongering.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 08:06 PM

It was time to end this stupid thread after the 1st post...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 08:00 PM

Time to end this stupid thread

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: pdq
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 08:00 PM

This is neither informative nor entertaining, so why do it

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:54 PM

Jack the Sailor. You are acting like a dimshit. Sugarfoot's views about "the country" of the USA precisely follow international news coverage. If you don't worship the gun, get out there and and help impose civilisation, de-frock Colonel Colt, and help to get military armaments out of the hands of nutters (even if your Senate will not). Or are you creaming your pants about the next high-school massacre?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:45 PM

Look, Ding-fucking-Dong - Don Thompson has it right above.

""imposing measures to prevent births within the (national) group" is genocide" - UN definition (assuming, for once, that you are not lying about that).

Imposing measures that ALLOW people freely to take steps to prevent conception, or to prevent births (or not if they don't want to) is NOT within the definition.

GET A FUCKING DICTIONARY.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 06:26 PM

You didn't apologize directly to me or to America or for what you actually said. You have not said you won't do it again. You have addressed none of my arguments and stooped to insulting the condition of my anus. I'll measure whatever you say from now on by those standards.

LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot Jack
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 04:31 PM

I've already apologised,sincerely and genuinely and I will not be bullied by you because you suffer from a deficit of humility or reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:59 PM

I've heard that "turn of phrase" before. To my knowledge, this is the first time I've heard it used to refer to a 20-25% minority. Can I ask you not to do so again with reference to my home and consider that promise to be your apology for giving offense?

If not, its OK, I'm tired of this discussion. I'll just take any offense that you offer from now on as a "turn of phrase" that is not familiar to me.

Cheers!

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:52 PM

DOn,

That he is trolling to push his point of view rather than for its own sake. I'm not saying that that is a reasonable or sensible thing to do. Let me put it this way. He starts with his message and sticks to it. That makes him very different from M.G.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot Jack
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:36 PM

You're still not getting it now are you? It was a turn of phrase you are unfamiliar with, nothing more. Obviously our press is not reporting the issue in a balanced manner.

I have insulted no-one's home, and I've apologised if my posts have caused any offence, which apparently you can't take in good grace. As I've said before I love the US and have many good friends there, so at least I know your belligerence isn't a national character trait.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:36 PM

""But he seems to be pushing a point of view rather than trolling as sport ""

""No, LH, I think the people at the UN know what imposing means in this context and for the sake of trolling, Songwronger is pretending not to know.""

Eight minutes apart and consecutive posts.

Which one do you want us to take as your point of view Jack?

No sarcasm, a genuine inquiry!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:22 PM

"Well, Songwronger, it appears to me that the U.N. didn't think carefully enough about the wording in their definition of genocide."

No, LH, I think the people at the UN know what imposing means in this context and for the sake of trolling, Songwronger is pretending not to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:14 PM

Bobert, I hear you and Songwronger's nonsense irritates me as well. But I feel obligated to defend him here.

I don't think that it is fair at all to compare Songwronger to Martin Gibson. Songwronger has a point of view that, to say the least is extreme and he says a lot of things which I believe, to say the least, are nonsense. But he seems to be pushing a point of view rather than trolling as sport and I have not ever seen him resort to any of the MG staples such as personal attacks, profanity, sexual innuendo and misogyny.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 02:07 PM

Sugarfoot Jack,

"Here in the UK, "the country" is the vernacular expression often used when discussing a general mood in amongst the population."

Really? What percent of the population? 100%, 75%, 51%, 25%, 20%?

It is my opinion that a very vocal 20% of less of the population supports those things you were railing against. I am faced with their rantings every day and with my words, deeds and money, I fight against it. Please excuse me for trying to correct you when you try to say that the battle is lost.

I have tried to point out to you that there are small, vocal malcontent groups in the UK who also say nasty things. That does not meant The Country is that way.

As for what this board has become, When and how did you decide it was OK to insult another person's chosen home and expect no feedback?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 01:58 PM

With folk like songwronger, Sugarfoot, you have asked the right question... There hasn't been anyone as obnoxious since Martin Gibson left... Incredible amount of pure USDA Choice racist hate...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 01:54 PM

My word, you really are a nasty piece of work. Nothing I wrote was bigoted, it was never intended to offend and I resent that accusation deeply. If I offended it was unknowingly and without any intent to do so and I apologise sincerely.

Here in the UK, "the country" is the vernacular expression often used when discussing a general mood in amongst the population. It doesn't imply, in any way, shape or form that everyone shares the same attitude or political opinion. The expression is used on the TV, the radio and by people far more erudite and informed that I will ever be and is not in any way pejorative. You misunderstood; a simple mistake.

Bloody hell, what has this board become?

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 01:39 PM

Sugarfoot,

"Wow. Are your piles playing up again and making you grouchy? You know full well what I meant. "

Yes I do know what you meant. You lazily made your point in a bigoted manner. You wrote an untruth because you couldn't be bothered to take the time to edit yourself. And though you changed tactics you did not thank me for pointing that out. :-)

Please consider how you would feel if the UK was described as country of skinheads moaning and crying into their warm beer over the loss of the Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 01:26 PM

I don't get where Obama is "against" anyone... Maybe I'm missing something here???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 01:22 PM

Precisley Mrzzy.
Misanthropy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 12:48 PM

It isn't genocide if you're against everybody...

Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:22 AM

Yeah, I agree with Don... I don't see why this guy gets a pass from the "classless and free" gang here... If they spent a little more time in the real world in discussions groups they would see this pattern of racism and Obama-hatred...

Like I have pointed out before: If Obama found a cure for cancer the Obama-haters would accuse him of trying to put doctors out of work..."

Maybe the "classless and free" haven't lived in South and seen just how this all really works... When I read people like wrongman I hear Jim Crow with all of its evilness dripping from it... Maybe the "classless and free" haven't heard and seen what every Southerner has and continues hear... If the "classless and free" don't think that there is a significant number of people who still use the term "nigger" routinely in referring to black people then it might make them a little leery of someone who clearly is eat up with hatred...

B~