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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 27 Mar 13 - 09:49 AM Boogie woman. Hillary Clinton. Do you recall when he ran against her for president in the 2008 race one of his reasons given to not vote for her was because she voted to go to war in Iraq. Then when he won he hired her for a top job. He also promised not to take corporate donations. He took them anyway. He has no integrity. He lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 13 - 08:41 AM The system that "own" Obama seems to be the "American poeple", sans the rich greedy bastards and their minions who hate him... Exactly where is this evidence of __________________ (pick your favorite boogie man) pulling his strings and ordering him to do this or that??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Mar 13 - 04:57 AM Ding-dong, in the first place your purported rationale does not withstand the previous demonstrations above of its falsity. Secondly, since as far as I know all groups within the USA have equal access to what you term "Obamacare" how do you assert that it victimises any particular group. Third, you just shot yourself in the foot (probably more painful than shooting yourself in the head since obviously there are no brains in there) - no American has had birth control IMPOSED on them. Some may be offered it but even you should be able to see that that is not the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 27 Mar 13 - 02:18 AM I don't hate Obama. I'm disappointed in him. I hate the system that owns him. I don't want an Obama Voodoo doll. I want a Chia Obama. I think they'll be worth big bucks one day, like Billy Beer. Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 27 Mar 13 - 01:12 AM Songwronger, in your hatred for Obama, you're overlooking one rather large flaw in your--um--reasoning(?). Birth control does not prevent people from having children. And it doesn't "impose." It allows. It allows people to decide whether they want to have a child at a particular time, or not. This way, they can plan their families and have their children at the most convenient time for them. In no way does this qualify as "genecide." Go take a couple of aspirin and get a good night's sleep, there's a good fellow. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 27 Mar 13 - 12:45 AM It's pretty obvious that some of the posters here haven't bothered to read the Convention on the Prevention of Genocide, so here are the articles relevant to my argument: Article 2 - In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article 3 - The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d ) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide. You cannot do certain things to certain groups of people. National groups included. You cannot impose measures intended to prevent births within the group. Yet we Americans have had birth control imposed on us through the Obamacare tax. Obamacare = genocide. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 08:44 PM The fact that the American working class is taking a beating isn't on Obama, N.B. Let's do a little history here that ain't about Obama: 1. Kill unions... check 2. Consolidate media so only one voice is heard... check 3. Quit teaching kids "critical thinking" skills... check 4. Allow any moron equal time at the microphone (climate change)... check 5. High unemployment and underemployment... check 6. Rig the tax codes to favor the rich... check 7. Rig elections... check 8. Kill campaign finance laws... check 9. Offshore jobs... check 10. Fear, fear and more fear... check This ain't on Obama, N.B. Nor were the 2 wars that was handed off to him... Nor was the collapsed economy that was handed off to him... I mean, okay, you hate Obama??? Fine... Hate him... Buy a fucking Obama Voodoo doll and stick pins in it... Stay up all night sticking pins in it... I don't really give a shit... But don't lie!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 26 Mar 13 - 08:23 PM Time will tell. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think the middle and working class are going to take a beating. They always do. It's the Amerikan way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 06:24 PM BTW, I am in now way excusing or defending Wall Street here... I am defending Obama's culpability in the melt down and defending his actions at a time when because of the messed up things that Wall Street did our financial system was on the verge of collapsing... He did what he had to do... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 06:21 PM Proclamations and proof are two different beasts, N.B. You made the assertion that Obama is selling out to Wall Street... Not me... Therefore, you should provide your sources... That's the problem when proclaimers proclaim... It's not on me to prove that the money was paid back... It has been reported on the news... You say not so??? Provide your sources... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 26 Mar 13 - 05:59 PM You say it's all been paid back. Proof? NDAA. Sellout. Obama is just another Clinton. Who sold us out with NAFTA. Your problem is believing what you're told and taught. You think everyone is basically honest and nice, like you. I wish they were. They are two faced, bobette. They lie. They cheat. They steal. And smile all the while. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 03:08 PM He did??? How did he do that??? He signed Dodd-Frank... Wall Street hates Dodd-Frank... Every bit of money that was lent to the financial people has been paid back... Where is the quid pro quo here??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 26 Mar 13 - 11:03 AM He sold us out to Wall Street. Obamacare premiums are going to make Wall Street healthy again. Or that's the plan. You'll see. Otherwise Amerika is going bankrupt. Which it will likely do anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 13 - 09:58 AM "Sellout"??? To whom??? Please elaborate on just who you think is pulling Obama's strings... Gay Americans??? Soldiers who he is getting out of wars Bush left him??? Americans who don't want to breath bad air or drink poison water??? I mean, it's easy to make (parrot) these mindless statements that the Republican Party's PR firm has put out there but let's get real here... Where is all this selling out??? Solyndra??? Nope... If you use facts, that wasn't even a sellout... Solyndra first made application for a government backed loan back in 2005... I mean, let's get real here... Pragmatism ain't selling out... Selling out is taking money and changing an existing policy in exchange... But Obama got lots of Wall Street $$$ in '08... Yes, he did... And what did Wall Street get in return??? Not much or they would have given him the big $$$ in '12... So, let me repeat the question... Just who has Obama sold out to... Oh, and can you provide details and sources (no right wing blogs, por favor... Real sources...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 26 Mar 13 - 09:17 AM ""I like Songwronger's threads. We have a similar outlook. We both know Obama is a puppet and a sellout."" So what happened to colour your viewpoint? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 26 Mar 13 - 05:09 AM I like Songwronger's threads. We have a similar outlook. We both know Obama is a puppet and a sellout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Mar 13 - 04:42 AM That STILL does not come anywhere near a logical progression, ding-dong. First we don't know your "national group". Second we don't know the "national groups" of the women who might (or might not) choose to avail themselves of contraceptive measures. Third, since the women have a free choice, nothing relevant PREVENTS them getting pregnant or giving birth. The measure you appear to address, taxation, does nothing of the kind. It merely takes money out of your pocket. Not even the disbursement of the tax revenue ( a quite different thing) prevents births. You are confused, irrational, and pig-headed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Mar 13 - 01:48 AM Yeah! He's a peach! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 26 Mar 13 - 01:35 AM 139 posts on this thread. Hmmm. Songwronger seems pretty popular! Oh damn! Now there's 140. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 26 Mar 13 - 12:18 AM "please stop trying to teach a pig to sing " "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig." Robert Heinlein quotes (American science-fiction writer,1907-1988). Similar Quotes. I have time.... "If you people find this thread so offensive, why may I ask do you continue to post to it?" Because as soon as we stop he will start another one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:54 PM If you people find this thread so offensive, why may I ask do you continue to post to it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,TIA Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:49 PM please stop trying to teach a pig to sing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:20 PM I see the math you are using now. Then obviously Obamacare=Genocide Songwronger=Genocide Therefor Songwronger=Obamacare. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:13 PM Okay. Three semi-stabs at addressing the issue. Sift out a bunch of self-loathing on the racism issue and what do we have? 1) Obamacare does not forcibly collect money. Yes it does. The supreme court ruling upholding Obamacare did so by placing it under the taxing authority of the U.S. constitution. Health insurance MUST be purchased, or you will owe a penalty...sorry, a "tax." Said tax to be collected by the internal revenue service. So, Obamacare DOES forcibly collect money. 2) Who exactly is going to force anyone to take the birth control pills??? Might of fact, who is going to force women to ask their doctors for them??? Back-alley abortion imagery may be blinding some of you to what I'm talking about. You see, the government IMPOSES the Obamacare tax on me, and then disburses the money to provode birth control. The U.N. Convention on Genocide says that "imposing measures to prevent births within the (national) group" is genocide. A tax is an imposed measure. And the Obamacare tax is used to prevent births within my national group (America). No one is forcing women to practice birth control under Obamacare; I AM THE ONE BEING IMPOSED UPON, through taxation. You don't have to be a pregnant woman to be imposed upon, merely a member of the national group. 3) This measure does not force people to use birth control if they do not choose to. It is a matter of their free choice, hence, in no way can a reasonable person consider it to be "imposing genocide." See explanation for # 2. At any rate, Obamacare is genocide. Not with bullets or coat hangers, but with balance sheets. And you have to address genocide, wherever you see it. It's true that the historical genocides mentioned are more dramatic, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't point out this one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Mar 13 - 10:41 PM Bingo! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: frogprince Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:50 PM Maybe we just don't appreciate Songwronger's sense of humor |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:46 PM This measure does not force people to use birth control if they do not choose to. It is a matter of their free choice, hence, in no way can a reasonable person consider it to be "imposing genocide." Another attempt by Songwronger to bad-mouth that uppity—fellow—who, by popular vote, currently occupies the White House. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:40 PM Here's the obvious one, wrongman... Who exactly is going to force anyone to take the birth control pills??? Might of fact, who is going to force women to ask their doctors for them??? Oh, that's right... No one... This thread and wrongman's thesis is more bogus than $3 bills... Wrongman has created some kind of Tin Foil scenario where Obama is forcing birth control on woman and then gores about going into his pathological defense against something that doesn't exist and never will... Go find another hobby, man... This is a sick thread and your argument is pathological... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:40 PM Obamacare does not forcibly collect money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 25 Mar 13 - 07:31 PM Obamacare forcibly collects money to be used for birth control. This is "imposing measures to prevent births within the (national) group." I welcome any viable argument against that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: wordfella Date: 25 Mar 13 - 06:31 PM Not feeding the troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 25 Mar 13 - 05:42 PM Sorry Richard.. I guess I misunderstood. I just read his posts on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Mar 13 - 05:05 PM Frankly, Larry, I don't believe you have read all of ding-dong's 638 posts under his official name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 25 Mar 13 - 04:40 PM Bottom line, Larry, is that the wrongman is a one-trick pony... He won't post unless it is yet another way of showing his obsessive hatred of Obama... Period... But don't believe me... Click on his name on any thread and all of his posts will come up and you too can trip down Songwronger's magical mystery tour of a tortured individual... That, in no way is meant to be a personal attack... Just observation... And, yes, I do have many years working with mentally ill people working beside and along various other folks in mental health... And Don is correct... We have stalkers here... I have one... He comes and goes but when he is here he is a complete jerk... BTW, he has not been content to just stalk me here but has found other websites where I participate and stalked me there, as well... Once you get one of these folks on you you get to understand what Don and I are talking about... Nuff said... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Mar 13 - 04:14 PM Songwronger is like that nasty little hockey player going into the corners with his quick elbows trying to get you sent to the penalty box :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 25 Mar 13 - 03:55 PM Songwronger has a history here, and it's a bit indefinite as to whether he truly believes what he posts, or if he's merely a wind-up artist. Whichever he is, he posts a lot of just plain lies. I personally feel that the blatant misinformation he posts should be countered and the record set straight. Sometimes it's a bit hard to do that without being accussed of "attacking" him on a personal level. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 25 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM I just find, Don, that when somebody does that......and, from this thread, I actually didn't see much personal attacking from songwronger other than his 'baiting' of the so-called 'liberal' (whatever that term means to him). Some of the more bizarre comments he made really, from my point of view, didn't reflect upon anybody else's character. It was hard to take them too seriously. I'm just wondering why so often (and I include myself in this) we end up rising to the bait. The more we defend ourselves....particularly when we start thinking that 'the best defense is a good offence'.......the more we put down our own character. Songwronger, (and this is my own opinion) seems to be wanting to have some fun with us, and to 'bait' us. If we want to partake in the fun and debate back, terrific. But let's not give him more ammunition by showing that we're really not so 'liberal' after all. I think that this topic of how we respond to these arguments is so near and dear to my heart because I can recall doing exactly the same time of thing, during my university years, to my professors....particularly the ones I judged as 'pompous'. And the more they got 'worked up', the more victorious I felt. Hopefully I've matured and don't do that too often....but every once in awhile I know I'm tempted to slip back. And I invite anybody to call me on it when I do. -Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don Firth Date: 25 Mar 13 - 02:50 PM Larry, when someone stalks you from thread to thread, consistently misquotes and distorts what you've said in your posts in an effort to make you look bad, and attacks YOUR character at every turn—and you simply call him a "liar"—which he has proven himself to be—then is that an unjustified attack on his character? I deplore the fact that so many of these threads degenerate into partisan slagging matches, but that seems to be the way of the internet these days. Some people simply do not know how to behave in a civilized manner. Just be glad they're out there on the internet, not living next door to you, or, God forbid, sitting in your living room. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Mar 13 - 02:07 PM Yeah, Larry I tried that approach first when I came to this forum 12 years ago. Keep this in mind. Some people, just like the confrontation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:50 PM Richard, I did read all his posts. It's not that different from attempts many of us made in introductory philosophy/logic courses to use an 'if....then' type of argument, and to see how ridiculous we could find topics to argue about using some form of 'logic' to support them. In this instance, of course, as has been pointed out, songwronger is making a supposition that anything paid through taxes means that it is 'imposed'. From a logical point of view I could talk about the difference between a measure being 'imposed' and 'supported'. But a lot of good points have been made trying to refute songwronger's logic......but they either haven't hit home to songwronger, or he's just choosing to remain provocative. I'm not particularly interested in getting hooked in to disputing this so-called logical argument, because I don't feel it's very important. Much more important is (a) How we as a group conduct ourselves when we feel frustrated.....can we respond without attacking a person's character? and (b) The genuine expression of outrage from lizzie cornish about how this thread trivializes a truly serious subject....which is genocide. I think her comment is well worth reading and re-reading. It's for that reason that I really don't want to enter into this debate. But I do want to encourage all of us to respond in a respectful and 'human' manner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Jack the Sailor Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:43 PM Larry I am sure bobert is making a bobert the Mudcat character mudcat only diagnoses of Songwronger the Mudcat character. Do you remember the movie that "diagnosed" all corporations as psychopaths? like that... If you were to read many of bobert's posts here you will see that they do not fully represent his character, or that of any other functioning adult, outside the forum. Welcome to the Mudcat Larry. Sorry if you don't like the Mud slinging. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:37 PM The fact is a scientific Eugenics Program would reduce healthcare costs dramatically. I expect it to become part of Obamacare at some point in the distant future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:25 PM Larry - join, use the search function, see all of ding-dong's posts and then you will have some information on which to base YOUR opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST,Larry Saidman Date: 25 Mar 13 - 01:01 PM Bobert, No ethical professional mental health worker (psychologist, psychiatrist, social worker, clinical counsellor, etc.) of any kind would diagnose somebody based on a few posts on a specific topic. You have no idea of songwronger's motivation here, or whether there is any 'obsession' or 'compulsion' for him to make these posts.....or whether he's possibly even doing some kind of 'research study' on his own, or making his own diagnoses depending on how we all respond to him. We just don't know. So yes, to make, amidst your anger, some kind of 'diagnosis', in my opinion constitutes a 'personal attack'. (not that I'd ever diagnose you as a 'personal attacker'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Bobert Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:31 AM Good point, Richard... To listen to the wrongman's interpretation here one would come away with mental pictures of birth control nazis going door to door holding women down and forcing birth control pills down their throats??? But that's the way delusional people think... Especially those who are obsessed as wrongman is... And another good point, GUEST, 11:07... Obama so far has acted like a Boy Scout helping old ladies cross the street compared to the last several presidents who were mighty trigger happy... Yet wrongman couldn't care less about those people because he isn't obsessed with them... A clinical psychologist's notes on wrongman would read: "Client suffers from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)... He also is dealing with personality disorders and should be monitored for violent behaviors resulting from deep seated anger and hostilities"... BTW, that isn't a personal attack... It is an observation based on years as a social worker dealing primarily with people with mental illness... Wrongman has shown enough behaviors here support the above diagnosis... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:13 AM No, twerp. Whatever your national group, no contraception is imposed on it. It's that simple. Even an amoeba could understand it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:11 AM ""Songwronger, Tough. We all pay taxes for things that we'd rather not support. Pull up your socks and get real. It all goes into the mix - pretend you're paying for something you like."" That won't work SRS. There isn't anything he likes. I don't think in 72 years I've come across anybody as consistently negative and pissed off. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: GUEST Date: 25 Mar 13 - 11:07 AM wrongerman doesn't understand the basic meaning of words, kinda like tea party people, and fox news. however if americans were worried about genocide how about the almost total destruction of the native people up to and including the American support of the genocidal regime of rios mont in Guatemala. the American governments since ww 2 have supported genocide all over the hemisphere, to get cheap resources and land for American corporations. why would anybody love America? it's the land of liberty!!! the land of refuge from the genocide of the british empire and for those fleeing many other European militarists. unfortunalely the liberty people have been in opposition for a long time, but hope for this hemisphere depends on their coming back to power and ending the world wide military adventures that only benefit American corporations, and are impoverishing the people. any onterested should start reading chris hedges. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Mar 13 - 12:36 AM Songwronger, Tough. We all pay taxes for things that we'd rather not support. Pull up your socks and get real. It all goes into the mix - pretend you're paying for something you like. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obamacare = Genocide From: Songwronger Date: 25 Mar 13 - 12:03 AM Obamacare imposes birth control on my national group via taxes to be used for contraceptives and chemical abortions. My national group suffers a government-sponsored reduction in birth as a result. It doesn't matter whether women choose to participate or not; the mere fact that the program is imposed on ALL in the group (through taxes) means that the group is being subjected to genocide. According to the U.N. And simple logic. I'm amazed that you people would support genocide. I know that liberals believe in population reduction and all that, but genocide? |
