BS: Natural Insect Repellents

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Megan L
Date: 06 May 13 - 02:12 PM

I don't know about the insect frequency ones but the one we had for mice did not upset Cookie our cat who was to much of a wimp to hunt anything. Honestly if there was an Olympic medal for cowardice she would have won gold

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:52 PM

The spiders in my house hang out 98% of the time on the ceiling or in the high corners near the ceiling. There is no way for me to put a sticky trap there. I also don't want to dispose of them. Anything left down low the cats will get into.
There are no spider webs to be found and I have not seen any other bugs at all; whatever they are feeding on is tiny or keeps hidden.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Alice
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:37 PM

The sticky traps catch the bugs spiders are feeding on, too, so they work well in keeping their food source down.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Alice
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:34 PM

I bought the sonic plug ins that claimed to repel spiders. They didn't work. Waste of money. Spend the money on sticky traps instead.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 13 - 01:25 PM

Diatomaceous earth works like the cinnamon to keep ants out of an area. Dribbling a line, or puffing a thin dusting will work. I sometimes run a fine dusting of it around my kitchen waste bowl in the corner of a counter to keep a line of ants from being attracted it it.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 May 13 - 10:58 AM

My three Siamese look at me with total lack of interest if I screech, point and indicate that they should grab the nasty spider. As they're of tropical origin, I wonder if they're genetically programmed not to touch spiders, which might be venomous in their land of origin. Yet they used to torment poor Hissing Sid mercilessly by poking him with an outstretched paw. He hissed and curled up under a raised pot on the patio, and they'd spend the afternoon prodding him now and then just to wind him up. I had to hold him behind his head hissing like anything, take the tail in my other hand and put him safely in the bank at the bottom of the garden. He was about 5ft long, but I never minded. I've had British cats too, and they weren't interested in spiders either! Only my husband comes willingly to my rescue, bless him.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 06 May 13 - 09:09 AM

Megan,
Thanks for the sonic gadget idea. I often wondered if they actually worked. That might be the best solution for me so long as it doesn't bother the cats.

Speaking of cats, my beautiful Sheldon caught and ate his first spider (he's 7)...and then coughed and gagged and hacked for about 10 minutes afterward so I am discouraging him from doing it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Alice
Date: 05 May 13 - 07:32 PM

You don't have to go near the spiders to use the sticky traps. Have someone else dispose of them after they are dead in the traps. They do work. I'm serious. I have a phobia about snakes. My son has a phobia about spiders. I am the one who takes care of the spider problem.


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Megan L
Date: 05 May 13 - 02:20 PM

Thanks lass and sorry folks I was rushing to get the door and never notice it had run out of space

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 May 13 - 02:20 PM

Last year our nice neighbour cut down a large, thick hedge. That night the poor homeless spiders that used to live in it thought that by creeping through our open bedroom window they might find a new home. There were FIVE enormous ones up near the ceiling, and I screamed the place down. My husband is kind and gentle, and he put them outside at the back of the house one after the other, but I had to sleep with the light on for the rest of the night, constantly scanning the room for any more refugees. I honestly don't wish them to be killed, just removed to a distance of about a mile. I can't even bear to look at a photo of a spider.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: ranger1
Date: 05 May 13 - 02:09 PM

Megan was trying to give warning about spider photos after the second set of pics.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Megan L
Date: 05 May 13 - 01:16 PM

I remembered seeing a spiders web robe on television some time ago found this article about it. a useful spider (DO NOT go below her ankles on the second set of pictures they h

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 May 13 - 12:58 PM

It has been indicated that it's not just the spiders but also the spider webs that are annoying. A number of "dusters" are advertised as being great for "sweeping down" the webs, but some webs are incredibly sticky and if the duster pushes little bits against the ceiling or wall the bits sometimes stick to the wall better than to any duster and can be very difficult to remove.

The most reliable method for removing the webs is still a good tank-style vacuum cleaner. Since most homes will have occasion to clean up "wet stuff" one with liquid suckup is recommended.

Most of these come with about a four foot long flexible hose, and with a couple of rigid three foot long "extension tubes." You should be able to easily get additional extension tubes for most popular "shop vacuum" types, although different brands use different diameters so you have to be careful to get the right ones.

The four foot flexible hose should be sufficient to permit "pointing" an extension tube of any length desired, and with four 3' extensions you needn't get closer than 12 feet from the web.

When you suck a few webs when the spider is at home, you will observe that spiders are of an advanced species capable of an ability we humans have not yet learned, called "hyperspace transport" and when the spider sees it's web being attacked quite frequently the spider will be there one instant, and mysteriously will have transported itself to some unknown dimension and is simply "no longer there" in our dimensions.

As spider culture has been so petty as to have never revealed to us their secret of hyperdimensional transport, we can only trust the spiders to know where they wanted to go, or how they did it. We are entitled to believe that they went to a place they choose with the belief that it was more appropriate for their happiness at the time.

It might be noted that the appearance of new spiders for no discernible reason and from unknown places is absolute proof that spiders use the same hyperdimensional transport both to come and to go. It's a mystery we do not understand, and for most of us there is little profit in worrying much about it.

There are those who display the attitude that "every spider must be protected," and while casual harm to innocent species is not something to be admired, this is a claim often used merely as a pretense which those with hidden agendas pretend to observe when it suits their purposes. It must be suspected that those who are "overprotective" of spiders simply hope that they may be the first to whom the spiders will reveal their strange hyperdimensional transport ability, and quite likely those people should be suspected of nefarious plans to use the "spidee powers" for their own domination of human culture and all of the entire natural world.

Disbelievers should try to "suck a web" and observe whether or not the spider in one demostrates the indicated "here one instant" and mysteriously "somewhere else" in the next. It has always worked when I tried it. And the opposite action, in which a new web with a new spider reappears after a short time and mysteriously "in an instant" has also demonstrated that the ability is something under the voluntary control of the spiders.

It is perhaps the "secretive" nature of spiders that causes them to conceal what could be of immense benefit to us if they'd just speak out, that is one basis for our common arachnophobia. Attempts to explore whether this is the case have, for me, been unproductive, as I've spent some time (when I was young and had the energy) talking to a couple of spiders of apparently normal spider intelligence, and found them simply belligerently unresponsive. Obviously they know the value of their secrets.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: ranger1
Date: 05 May 13 - 09:22 AM

Dani, wish I'd known about the cinnamon thing a while back! I had an ant issue, little buggers were everywhere in the kitchen, even after washing everything down repeatedly with soapy water. Then there was a massive swarm, I screamed, sprayed them all down with soapy water, cleaned up the little corpses, and haven't seen any since. But cinnamon as a preventative seems much nicer...

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 05 May 13 - 07:18 AM

I'd second the 'eliminate clutter' so you can see and clean everywhere, and not feel haunted.

I had a kitchen ant invasion this week and remembered they won't cross over cinnamon, so I did my semi-annual cinnamon dump; just a thin, even line along windowsills and the counters everywhere they might travel towards food. I scrape it into the corners with a dough scraper. You can see them get confused, and then turn back ; )

BIg jar's cheap at Costco. It's worth a shot to see if spiders hate it, too. Nice side-effect is the aromatherapy. If it works, you can figure out how to blow some up in the corners.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: mayomick
Date: 05 May 13 - 06:53 AM

Feel for you Eliza and Becca, but it really is the phobia that's the problem not the little spider .Acclimatization does work . Instead of having it in the house overnight , try giving the spider in the glass jar to a friend to keep at the bottom of the garden and go visit her once a week .After a while try to visit her and the spider twice a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Megan L
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:45 PM

Most people have something they are afraid of even if they don't admit it. Mind you there are some posters do seem to have a phobia to compassion.

found this on another site I used a similar thing for mice in my last house

High Tech Answer

There are plug-in devices that create a "barrier" in your walls and emit a high-pitched tone that bugs run from. They sell at Sam's Club for $20 for a package of 3; I've also seen them at Walmart.com! They work! I hate spiders and our new house was loaded with them until I got these. It took about a month to get rid of them all, but I saw an improvement almost immediately. Or, you could buy a few frogs.
Mae

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:18 PM

Psychiatric treatment suggested.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: ranger1
Date: 04 May 13 - 08:25 AM

Alice, she's not going near them live or dead. It's a real phobia, not just a dislike or general fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Alice
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:11 PM

Sticky traps - get the cardboard traps and put them along the baseboards of walls and in corners. Put them in shelves back against the wall where they will travel through.

If you want to save money, buy a can of sticky insect glue like for gardeners, and make your own cardboard sticky traps.

Vacuum everywhere in your house regularly, and keep down the population of bugs spiders feed on.

You can get the spider sticky traps in hardware stores or online.

Where I live, we have lots of different types of spiders, most not venomous. They especially like my basement.

Nothing I know of actually repels them, but the sticky traps collect them.

Hope that helps.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:17 PM

Maybe a spider-hunting cat would be good, ...

A couple of our cats have hunted spiders with some success, but unlike certain classical musicians they seemed to learn fairly quickly that they don't taste very good and ceased noticing them.

While in Yuma AZ we were, like everyone else there, infested with what the locals called "earwigs." The two simonized cats we had then really loved them and never ceased hunting for them. The earwigs had a pair of "tail pincers" they'd use to grab the cat on the lower lip where the cat couldn't find them, and sometimes would ride around there for a full day while the cat kept searching for where they went. You'd have to see it happen to decide how funny it was - or wasn't.

A particular problem with these pests was that squashing one made the whole house smell like someone broke a rotten egg, so cats that thought they were a rare delicacy were sort of helpful. They didn't successfully eat a lot of them, but they never quit trying.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Megan L
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:16 PM

Weel lass since I got sacked frae ma last spider removal job I wid come ower but it might get a bit expensive.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 May 13 - 01:44 PM

Yes, little kids are scary. They spread colds, usually have sticky hands and other nasty features.
The British upper class (old days) had the right ideas.
A nanny to take care of them and when old enough, send to a school as far away as possible. Not suitable for civilized society until mid-teens.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:53 PM

When my husband first arrived in UK he stared at me in astonishment as I gibbered and screeched while pointing at a spider in our sitting room. He picked it up (shudder!) and put it outside, obviously deciding I needed psychiatry. Yet I've seen very poisonous snakes, scorpions and huge monitor lizards at dangerously close quarters in Africa and been very interested and enchanted. Rats, bats, cockroaches, mice - sweet little things. I had a long grass snake in my garden that I called Hissing Sid. Nice chap. But don't suggest I try and 'put a cover over it and take it outside'. Or 'get therapy by gradually sitting closer and closer to one in a jar' etc. No. Think mad woman screaming her head off. Think fat old woman sprinting down the street whimpering. Think sobbing lady at 2am refusing to go to bed until The Thing is caught. That woman is me.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:31 PM

Q - no good. I'm more terrified of small children than I am of any spider! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:19 PM

No facts, only a guess about the cause.

To derterrents, add inquisitive children who collect bugs in bottles, etc. They cut down on insect and spider populations.

I remember a "plague" (read common) of black widow spiders. They seemed to like old woodpiles, garage corners, and the like. Along with my grade school mates, we caught a good many and displayed them in jars.

Our teachers (about grade five) taught us how to prepare and mount insects in collections. I know this and similar projects nurtured my interest in science and determined my life work.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: pdq
Date: 03 May 13 - 11:07 AM

LOS ANGELES — Jeff Hanneman, a founding member of Slayer whose career was irrevocably changed after a spider bite, has died. He was 49.

Slayer spokeswoman Heidi Robinson-Fitzgerald said Hanneman died Thursday morning of liver failure at a Los Angeles hospital with his wife, Kathy, by his side.

The guitarist had recently begun writing songs with the band in anticipation of recording a new album later this year. He had been slowly recovering from what was believed to be a spider bite that nearly cost him his arm after he failed to seek immediate treatment.

"The music industry has lost a true trailblazer, and our deepest sympathies go out to his family, his bandmates and fans around the world who mourn his untimely passing," said Neil Portnow, president and CEO of the Recording Academy, in a statement.

Robinson-Fitzgerald said it's believed the spider bite contributed to the failure of Hanneman's liver, but it is unclear whether an autopsy will be scheduled. No funeral arrangements have been made.

"Jeff Hanneman will always be a metal god," rocker Andrew W.K. posted on Twitter.

Hanneman co-founded the thrash metal pioneers in Huntington Beach, Calif., in 1982.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:54 AM

Jeri,
I'm full up on cats and they don't like bugs either...

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:52 AM

Maybe a spider-hunting cat would be good, and cost less to feed than a mate, although it's un-nerving to see them (the cats, not the mates) walk around with their prey dangling from their mouths.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:12 AM

Thanks, Tami. Just the thought is nice.

Now I need to get updating my dating profile per Bobert's suggestion..."single white female, seeks mate to deal with all creepy crawlies. I can open my own jars, though".

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: ranger1
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:56 PM

Becca, if I lived closer, I would come capture them for you. They don't bother me at all. Now winged ants, that's a different story. And don't get me started on centipedes or millipedes!

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,highlandman at work
Date: 02 May 13 - 04:28 PM

Natural insects don't bother me much. I do worry about repelling the un-natural kind sometimes.

I found that in our area dirt dauber wasps are great spider predators; they paralyze them and stuff them in their nests for the little ones to live off after they hatch. Wonderful to think about if you are the sort who wishes revenge on the spider population.
But all in all I'd rather have the spiders than the wasps.

-Glenn

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:21 PM

NO - NOT the swimming pool supply store stuff. Garg, that form of diatomaceous earth is not pure and is dangerous. There is feed-grade diatomaceous earth (it is fed to cows, horses, even people) available in feed stores that can be used for pest control. NEVER use the pool stuff, it has a lot of silica that can easily be airborne and cause serious problems.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:12 PM

SRS, I remember driving in Limestone County, TX, years ago, and tarantulas seemed to be out in the millions.

At UT, I remember one that lived in a corner of one of the biology labs. Tap a pencil on the wall and it came running to be fed.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 13 - 01:38 PM

Mrrzy,
I know that spiders aren't "insects", however the internet search I did was on "Natural INSECT repellents" and it included the tips I mentioned on spiders.

Bobert,
You're making me blush, now.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 02 May 13 - 01:22 PM

Diatomaeous Earth....

Swimming pool supply store.

OR

http://ag-organics.com/Food-Grade-Diatomaceous-Earth-10-lb./M/B003QJBVH8.htm?traffic_src=froogle&utm_medium=CSE&utm_source=froogle

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

They have an exo-skeleton...The earth rubs off their waxy coating and the dry up

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 May 13 - 11:43 AM

Why not get something with a long reach, like an aquarium net, and pop it over the spider. A few twirls of the wrist would get the spider into and holding onto the net and you could take it outside that way.

You probably don't want to hear about the tarantula colony in my yard. I have my neighbors trained to call me if they find a tarantula in their houses so I can catch it (in a plastic pint takeout food container) and release into the yard. These large spiders are beneficial - the tarantulas, snakes, Mediterranean house geckos, native lizards, are all are queued up around the outside of the house to eat many of the bugs that might otherwise come inside. They also will catch small things like mice.

I've used chipped up cedar (Western red cedar) in gardens around the doorways to repel the tarantulas so they don't come into the house. It generally works pretty well. Maybe you could get some of the closet cedar products to place strategically around the house and see if they help at all.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Bobert
Date: 02 May 13 - 11:16 AM

Becca,

With your obvious charms I'm sure you can find someone who has no problems relocating your spiders... Maybe if you watch it a few times you'll go, "Hey, that's pretty easy" and do it yourself...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:56 AM

If you feed cats garlic, fleas and ticks will avoid them. Wonder if there is an amount of garlic a person could eat that would work for mosquitoes...

Pedant alert - spiders aren't insects.

Another W Africa warning - it wasn't the spiders, or the moths the size of bedsheets; it was the cockroaches the size of pillowcases with yard-long feelers. The ones in N Africa were normal-sized but transparent, you could see the floor right through them as they skittered away when you turned the lights on. Also in N Africa were armored, horned, green caterpillar things only about the size of a cigar, but you couldn't squish them, they just ignored you and kept right on going, unless you stepped on the horn which could go right through a sandal.

In our house here in the US we keep the spiders, they aren't that numerous and they eat mosquitoes.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: gnomad
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:31 AM

On a lighter note I am sure someone used to make a commercial version of these, complete with "Spiders, this way" sign for the bottom, but I can't find a picture yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: gnomad
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:23 AM

I am not fond of anything that scuttles, but am lucky that I don't have a true phobia, unlike a neighbour of ours in the early 70s. He managed to wreck his front room, including a £7500* harpsichord, when trapped by an unlocked door he couldn't open in his panic at meeting just one spider(harmless, no UK native spiders are dangerous). On her return from shopping his wife (about 90lb wet through) found her husband (about 280lb naked) near catatonic in the corner of a room full of trashed furniture, and no sign of the spider.

That is when I learned how scary a real phobia can be, though I am guessing you probably don't have it quite that badly, very few do. *£7500 was about the cost of 2 decent family homes at that time and place, the instrument was being kept at his home as being a safer place for a delicate antique than the university's music department.

You are unlikely to get rid of spiders entirely, so having a strategy in place to deal with them sounds like the best approach to me. You might try Googling "Spider Catcher" or a quick search at Amazon, I did so and found a variety of devices that might help. This struck me as the right sort of idea (but expensive) or there's a vacuum powered one which also looks pretty effective. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 13 - 09:38 AM

Bobert - what you are suggesting requires me to get close enough to the spiders to get them on a stick/paper/whatever. Highly unlikely. I don't want to kill them if I don't have to, but I'm not going to look at them hanging out on my ceiling, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Bobert
Date: 02 May 13 - 09:34 AM

Take a big glass and catch them by putting it over them... Then slide a stiff card under the glass and now you have the spider in the glass... Now take said spider out and release him or her...

For spiders that aren't on the floor where you can catch 'um they will usually get on the end of a yard stick if you hold it close to them and then you can take 'um outside to release...

Smaller spiders you can gently pick up with a Kleenex and take out...

Killing spiders is bad karma so try to relocate them...

BTW, spiders eat insects so if they are in your house they are there fro a purpose...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Becca72
Date: 02 May 13 - 09:07 AM

Thanks, Eliza for understanding. I often can't even get near enough to kill them; I just leave the room.
This morning my black cat Sheldon came screaming into the bedroom, eyes wide as saucers, tail 3 times it's normal poofyness, screeching at the top of his lungs. Yup - spider in the stairwell. He's a great alarm system, not so good at extermination.

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 May 13 - 08:36 AM

That would leave seven spares John.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:51 AM

Get the old lady who swallowed a spider. That wriggled and jiggled and wiggled insider her.

My best natural insect repellent, although I never tried it on spiders, was tobacco smoke. When I smoked, many years ago, I often used a pipe. Thin black twist tobacco seemed best. No flying insect would come within 6 feet of me. Mind you, neither would any cat, dog, child or sane person...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 13 - 04:48 AM

You could feed one up for Christmas. Just think, everybody could have a leg!

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:54 AM

I've had some feckin enormous spiders in my house for years, they don't bother me, so I don't bother them.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:36 AM

There is one natural predator that sometimes will very effectively remove the ones that are bothering you, although it does present a certain difficulty for people who just don't like spiders on principle.

The one predator that can go anywhere your problem spiders can, and will probably be quite happy to gobble them up until they're gone, is


        A BIGGER SPIDER


[Not quite true that just being bigger will do the trick, since only some kinds of big ones are particularly attracted to chomping (or maybe one should say "sucking") on the little ones.]

John

Subject: RE: BS: Natural Insect Repellents
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:49 AM

Rap, LOL! I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Do NOT go to W Africa if you have arachnaphobia. You will die of terror. They are BIG, HAIRY and....UGH!!