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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,concerened Date: 22 May 13 - 06:41 AM Oh no!!! Here they are again don wxy.. musket and the nautical fraud jerk the sailior et al..with their half baked theories on something they obviesly know the square root of zilch.I there no end to their smug buffoonery? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans body Date: 22 May 13 - 07:12 AM Concerned speaks my name in vain? Fuck off, there's a good chap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,BrendanB Date: 22 May 13 - 10:38 AM May I add my voice to Musket's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Stringsinger Date: 22 May 13 - 10:38 AM "What is required is a grass roots uprising and that is almost impossible to achieve." Don, it is being achieved. It grows daily. Secularism is on the rise. What I asked Joe to do was to speak out to his fellow Catholics. Other Catholics are doing this. I think that Muslims should speak out to other Muslims, etc. Fortunately, there are Israeli Jews who are speaking out against the misuse of Zionism. Would I speak out? I have no religious affiliation to speak out to. I do speak out when I perceive injustice, however. I'm speaking out here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,musket without sans Date: 22 May 13 - 02:09 PM http://www.salon.com/2013/05/22/tornado_survivor_to_wolf_blitzer_sorry_im_an_atheist_i_dont_have_to_thank_the_lord/ Sorry. On mobile so can't make a blue link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 May 13 - 02:27 PM One would sincerely hope that anyone thanking the Lord for surviving a tornado would simultaneously be bitterly critical of him for letting loads of other people, including children, suffer a terrible death, and, indeed, for sending the bloody tornado in the first place. I mean, had he not sent it they wouldn't have to be grovelling around thanking him for surviving it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Joe Offer Date: 22 May 13 - 04:18 PM Oh, Frank, my fellow Catholics consider me to be very outspoken... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Stringsinger Date: 23 May 13 - 10:49 AM Good Joe, keep talking to them. Maybe they'll become rational. Joe, I like what this pope said about "meeting in the middle". BTW everyone, Dawkins says that Science is not a Religion. Otherwise it would be easier to get funding. Maybe everyone should thank the lord for global warming. That's one for the deniers. So instead of this intolerant "impolite" behavior suggesting that atheists are religious fanatics, the religionists should examine their own religions for these autocratic accusations. Their evangelism and dogma are impolite to say the least to non-believers. BTW, Joseph Stalin spent five earlier years in a Eastern Orthodox seminary. That's where he learned to be god. ( Some atheist!) Apparently Obama, as much as he denies it, thinks that his god condones torture. How about a good Christian prison such as Gitmo? Praise the lord and pass the feeding tube! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,concerened Date: 25 May 13 - 08:04 AM Well, if nothing else this thread has shown up the foul mouthed lout Musket for the fraud he undoubtedly is.He even outpaces salty imposter Seaman Staynes. It would be easy for me to answer you back in kind Brother Musket, but I am now a born again christian who has just returned from a religouse retreat. Being in a state of grace I can now forgive you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman Date: 25 May 13 - 08:50 AM Im not a loud mouthed lout. I'm Mr loud mouthed lout to you. Mind you I am a fraud. 10 out of 10 for that one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,concerened Date: 25 May 13 - 10:30 AM I didnt say "loud" I said "Foul"..but by the sound of you and some of your self opiniated posts, I guess both words well suit you. Altogether a thoroughly unpleasent cretin you seem to me.There again, on reflection, you and Seaman Staynes could head an orderly queue of no nothing, smug, self - opiniated dolts on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,concerened Date: 25 May 13 - 10:56 AM Oh, by the way dear heart:----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FUCK OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans body Date: 25 May 13 - 03:34 PM Fuck of what? Ignorant sod. Anyway I just got a pm from someone saying who you are, ,allegedly. Best not mention small boys and key workers then eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Joe Offer Date: 25 May 13 - 03:42 PM Musket, don't let "concerened" waylay what has been a -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Stringsinger Date: 25 May 13 - 05:31 PM Joe, looks like Pope Francis has given us FreeThinkers some slack. That's a refreshing development. I think at least that he recognizes that strident atheism is not a religion. A religion requires a set of laws, a holy book and a god. FreeThinkers require none of that and have the right to disagree entirely about how they think among themselves. They are not dogmatic because most of them don't agree on everything. Dogma requires everyone to think alike. As a FreeThinker, I don't claim to have all the answers about life and can only go on what available legitimate evidence there is. If it turns out that there is a small probability for the existence of a god, and that were verifiable scientifically, I could change my mind. I think most people who call themselves atheists feel the same. This is not dogma or theology. The only reason that us FreeThinkers get our backs against the wall and call ourselves atheists is because silly threads like "militant atheism is a religion" is unreasonable and is a form of attack. Atheists are not "militant" in the dictionary sense. Some are strident because when attacked, they yell louder in pain. It's not impolite to discuss religion rationally and criticize some of its practices when warranted. Ad hominem remarks are impolite and worse, not constructive. Professor Dawkins has been unduly attacked by people who have not bothered to really listen to him. He is most civil when dealing with people he doesn't agree with and would be a good model for some of the ad hominem vindictive behavior of some people on this thread. He discusses rationally and some people don't like it who don't agree with him. He's miles apart from the approach of Christopher Hitchens who is generally combative. If it weren't for the negative history of religion in dealing with "atheists", there would be no problem. People could believe whatever they wanted as long as they left others alone. But when they start to attack and denigrate others, then the war begins. In the meantime, religion is a subject that should be discussed rationally and disagreements can be met without rancor. The reason that threads like this keep getting comments is that today, FreeThought is on the rise making it the most potent numbers of people involved in the rejection of religion. Some religious people see this as an attack on their religion but I see this as a potential for human and secular growth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Stim Date: 25 May 13 - 10:30 PM It seems that one of the most prevalent delusions people have is that they are "Free Thinkers". Present company excepted;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans sin Date: 26 May 13 - 02:50 AM You are right Joe, but sometimes cathartic you know, putting the bits in place. This thread is slightly more civil than some although fundamentally frustrating as it gives form to a word called atheism and that will never do. Despite string singer arguing that it shouldn't it nevertheless invites the idea. There is no word for non stamp collecting. No term of reference for not being able to enjoy opera and nothing describes not wishing to eat celery in a single word. But there again adherents of the above have nothing to fear from apathy. Tell that to the finance department of religious organisations. .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 May 13 - 05:39 AM It seems that one of the most prevalent delusions people have is that they are "Free Thinkers". This statement requires support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket getting confused as usual Date: 26 May 13 - 06:44 AM Mmm. Free thinking. I am blessed, no seriously I am. Notwithstanding the superstitious interpretation of blessed, I truly am. You see, my parents were caring and intelligent enough to teach me the barriers, instil a sense of altruism and philanthropy which I strive to uphold, and hae carried this on to my own sons and as of earlier this year I have a grandchild to learn about her place in society. But the most valuable gift of all was ensuring I didn't feel guilty, didn't feel I had to waste my time carrying out mumbo jumbo each week, and most of all, think as me, not as an old delusioned man in a dog collar. Free thinking. Don't knock it till you try it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Concerened Date: 26 May 13 - 04:19 PM Free thinking.?. thinking seems to be a struggle for some ot you people.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Stim Date: 26 May 13 - 04:49 PM As an alternate: You may think you're open-minded, but that doesn't make it so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 May 13 - 05:47 PM As an alternate: You may think you're open-minded, but that doesn't make it so. And what, pray, does that alternate with? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Stim Date: 26 May 13 - 07:56 PM The other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans body Date: 27 May 13 - 03:18 AM Boom Boom! I was expecting a Basil Brush logic to Mr Shaw's rhetorical question and once it appeared thought I'd add the last bit. Im not open minded. I'm not free thinking. I am open minded. I am free thinking. Take your choice. Here's a few bits to help you with the quest you seem fascinated with. I see no evidence for the literal approach to ancient Scripture so I dismiss it out of hand and treat those who think so as either brain washed delusionists or people with an agenda. People who use their belief as a metaphor to help them through life are deserving of a pint when I see them in the pub. What ever floats your boat. Organised religion always has an agenda beyond its membership. I treat with caution and question them when they creep outside their box. Elephants and microprocessors are mutually exclusive in the observable world. Science and theology are too. Im a simple lad but this is a simple subject and making it difficult is to betray an agenda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 May 13 - 06:27 AM Yeah but I'm incredibly free-thinking about Liverpool whilst you are incredibly closed-minded about Sheffield Wednesday (I felt a little closed-minded about Liverpool Saturday but I was OK again Sunday). But seriarsely, I think it's best to not pigeonhole oneself when it comes to "thinking". Just say what you're thinking and be damned. All the better if you have a little think before thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans scarf and rattle Date: 27 May 13 - 06:58 AM If I had to think before thinking, I wouldn't have time to think about it. Liverpool fans think Gerrard is the second coming, I know John Sheridan controlled a midfield better than anyone before or since. I suppose thinking before saying is something people should be aware of before upsetting huge sections of the population on the basis of my imaginary friend says women gays and non believers are second class citizens or mass delusion is something to be celebrated without dissenting questions. So, what have we learned? we found that playing a harmonica doesn't make you an expert on football, theological knowledge doesn't always mean rational wisdom, defending absurd notions such as creationism just makes you more absurd in your waffle and oh yes. Joe Offer has a breaking point where he comes off the fence. A pity really because whilst we all have them, I feel as if Steve has just shot Bambi's mum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 May 13 - 07:56 AM Now there's a thought. I haven't had a second coming since 1983. Maybe I should stop drinking beer... :-( (and wrong thread but hey-ho) - I wish to protest again that I was responding to a stupid Ron post. I have no worries about my annoying Christians as an atheist presenting a rather devastating (as it turned out) biblical quote, but I have an issue with those who feel so stung who themselves had kept a complacent silence about the post lionising Joe Offer. It's fine to let it ride and feel the warm glow when you're being praised, and, more, being juxtaposed in high contrast with worthless heathens, but not fine to get all stroppy when one of those worthless heathens points out to you the injustice of that juxtaposition when you could easily have spoken out against it yourself. Bambi shot his own mum (a metaphor I've probably got a bit twisted, but, again, hey-ho). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 May 13 - 07:56 AM Now there's a thought. I haven't had a second coming since 1983. Maybe I should stop drinking beer... :-( (and wrong thread but hey-ho) - I wish to protest again that I was responding to a stupid Ron post. I have no worries about my annoying Christians as an atheist presenting a rather devastating (as it turned out) biblical quote, but I have an issue with those who feel so stung who themselves had kept a complacent silence about the post lionising Joe Offer. It's fine to let it ride and feel the warm glow when you're being praised, and, more, being juxtaposed in high contrast with worthless heathens, but not fine to get all stroppy when one of those worthless heathens points out to you the injustice of that juxtaposition when you could easily have spoken out against it yourself. Bambi shot his own mum (a metaphor I've probably got a bit twisted, but, again, hey-ho). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 May 13 - 07:57 AM I've just had a second coming. Ironic... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Strident atheism not a religion From: GUEST,Musket sans body Date: 27 May 13 - 09:54 AM Eyup. It seems there are only us two left standing in this bar. Suggest we sup up and bugger off. Job done. |
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Subject: BS: Militant atheism is not a religion From: Stringsinger Date: 11 Nov 13 - 01:27 PM More and more, the relationship between our environmental crisis and the principles of evolution are being made clear. "Militant atheism" is simply a reaction against the intransigence of religious communities and is in no way a religion of itself. This is misleading propaganda on the part of true "believers". Everyone has a right to their own belief system in a democracy but what is overstepping that right is to accuse those who are reacting to the fundamental problems of religious fanaticism as "miltant atheists", an empty procedure akin to talking about "Islamofacism" or other meaningless epithets. The voices of clarity are emerging louder and massive among young people who decry the excesses of religion and those religious folk who persecute non-believers by offering this destructive label of "militant atheists as a religion". The label is not seen by some religious folk as belittling those who disagree with them. This thread is an attack on non-believers, make no mistake about that. Dawkins has every right to offer his opinion publicly and has been falsely accused of attacking religious believers. He hasn't personalized his comments but kept them on a plane of logic and the promotion of science when it is denigrated by preachers, prelates, priests or any self-appointed important figures of religion.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism is not a religion From: GUEST,Musket smiling Date: 11 Nov 13 - 02:17 PM String singer, you really are a martyr. Wait till the logic choppers from CofE start patronising you again. Then the emissaries from Dumbfuckistan will scoff at you. Then pete wakes up... I'd just call this thread part 3 myself. Because once they start preaching, the co messiahs and associated gnome are left with no choice other than to remind all about the true religion. This one, as you may recall, offers bingo instead of salvation but at least a teddy bear or carriage clock are true prizes. Amen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism is not a religion From: GUEST,Da-da-da-da-dum... Date: 11 Nov 13 - 02:32 PM Oh, get a life... Everything is a religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism is not a religion From: GUEST,Horsie? Date: 11 Nov 13 - 02:41 PM Horsie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism not a religion From: GUEST,The troll formally known as the troll conce Date: 11 Nov 13 - 06:37 PM It is nice to know that the ginger bum inhabitant centrist clowns are alive and well and still spouting their crap.. |
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Subject: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Stringsinger Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:53 PM It seems that these posts have little service than to offer propagandistic views about religion and non-belief. The term "militant atheism" smacks of a kind of Joseph McCarthy term to divide and conquer. It is a form of name-calling that is used to derogate points-of-view that don't accede to religious doctrines. Richard Dawkins laughs at this term since it has been concocted by those who try to make a religion out of non-belief to justify their continuing persecution of non-believers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 09 Jan 14 - 01:25 PM Elves, please merge all these threads - one is enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jan 14 - 01:35 PM I am so glad to have the self appointed thread content police patrolling the beat. Saying that threads with slightly different ideas should be merged while the thread that the same person started as "part 2" of another thread should stay unmerged. The logic implied is idiosyncratically astounding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,Musket Date: 09 Jan 14 - 03:04 PM Eyup Sailor! A bit rich coming from a God bothering prat who keeps reminding the elves that anyone who laughs at you is in breach of some fictitious terms of membership of Mudcat. zzzz Militant reality. Who'd have thought of it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jan 14 - 03:14 PM The previous post is in violation of the terms of use published on the membership page posted below. Log In (Reset Cookie) - Log Out Be aware that our forum is Free. Anonymity and Guest Posting are permitted. >>>>>>>You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty,<<<<< or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak. Be aware of what personal information you decide to share within the forum. It is public. Unlike Facebook, there is NO PRIVACY at all. We care about your safety but we are not in the business of protecting you. Your kind and civil behavior is your best protection. Membership, however, is currently being purified. One of the great things about mudcat over the years has been our ability to meet other mudcatters around the world in person and visit their homes and such. For this to be safe for everyone, we gotta kinda put you through the ringer a bit. So... To join this here site, you gotta talk to Joe. A very nice email should be sufficient |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:29 PM Shouldn't that be "wringer"? "ringers" are two different sorts of beasts altogether. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 14 - 06:03 PM " in violation of the terms of use published" Oh... *wry grin* ..it probably is. I'd guess it would take 27 elves working 12 hour shifts to monitor and edit enough threads to enforce the idea... and this would generate 3 times as many posts complaining about borderline examples and complaining that the continuity had been totally disrupted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jan 14 - 06:33 PM Wry grin. Mr Musket brags that he is doing it on purpose as some sort of enforcement of his values. also until "09 Jan 14 - 03:14 PM " he thought the rules were "fictitious terms of membership" don't you think that educating people who arrogantly display their ignorance is worth the effort. I'm not saying that the elves should respond to every act of unkindness, arumentitiveness etc, but when someone claims it as a mission violates a very simple and unimposing set of rules just about every second post, I don't think it is unreasonable to point it out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 14 - 07:07 PM Oh, grow up FFS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 09 Jan 14 - 07:17 PM I seem to remember that once upon a time the term "church militant" was used, and it denoted Christians eager to spread their faith in the existence of God, and of Christ as saviour. when we attach the word "militant" to "atheist" it denotes those eager to spread their faith position in the assertion that there is [or there is little chance of] there being a God, and also their very vocal opposition to "god botherers"!. if the above description is nowhere near you, then please rest assured you are not being got at. if it does,- then people living in glass houses should not throw stones! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:16 PM *I* point out obvious problems. *YOU* are a bit aggressive. *HE* is overtly militant! (after the columnist Sydney J. Harris. who used to make lists like that every few months) Propaganda terms can come from almost anywhere, depending on tone and context. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:17 PM "'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term" 'Militant Atheism' is a term that if you're thinking about it one way or another, you've got WAY too much time on your hands, just trying to think of ANYTHING! It happens when the affluent, who don't know that they are, happen to be very bored, as well! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,Musket grinning Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:16 AM Says something about the quality of the thread when it takes old Goofus to drag it back on song. Anyway what's new about this thread? Seaman Stains lights the blue touch paper, then complains about the fireworks. Starry pete confuses superstition with lack of superstition, inferring that not being superstitious is a faith statement in itself. I use my knowledge of which buttons to press in order to get entertainment from some of the more predictable characters here. Seems like another sunny day in Mudcatland to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:58 AM Musket, grinning: "I use my knowledge of which buttons to press in order to get entertainment from some of the more predictable characters here." Last time he pressed his belly-button, his ass fell off! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Militant Atheism' is a propaganda term From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:33 AM " I use my knowledge of which buttons to press in order to get entertainment from some of the more predictable characters here. " In clear and arrogant violation of the terms of use of this site. He is mocking you Max. |
