BS: Unarmed soldier killed, (London-May 2013)

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 13 - 02:56 AM

No.
There may have been many IRA sympathisers, thousands even, but not even the most rabid Republicans "see the British public as a legitimate target."

They often fucked up, but always tried to avoid civilian casualties.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:23 PM

And a few years ago they've have no doubt said the same about the Irish, or the Catholic Irish; and a bit further back about the Catholics in general.

And it's always not wholly false, and it's never more than a fragment of the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 10:03 AM

You would barely have a BS section now without us.

A little gratitude would be nice.

Love bites, not herpes.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 09:23 AM

Shit.

It's the Keith & Jim show again.
Thread herpes.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 09:03 AM

For the edification of those unable or unwilling to make the distinction between Islam and Islamism:

Islam vs. Islamists

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:46 AM

I really do give up, Jim. If you strip away the history then it is a clear unequivocal statement.

It remains the case that there are several thousand Islamist extremists here who see the British public as a legitimate target.

It remains the case means that it has not changed. Here means the UK or, more specifiably, England. It has been said, on the record, by the head of MI5.

What is does not say is that the Moslem community in general are a threat. It contains no prejudice. It is a simple statement of fact that there are several thousand Islamist extremists who are a threat to our safety. It is that threat that the security forces are concentrating on. What do you expect them to do? Concentrate on those who are not a serious threat instead because it is not 'politically correct' to even mention the real danger?

This threat will not go away by sweeping it under the carpet. Nor does it decrease if the majority of Moslems are 'law abiding and industrious'. It still remains even if some people are even worse and no amount of screaming 'racist' will protect my family and friends.

OK, the problems may have been brought on by Western Imperialism or maginalisation of Islam. That will be rectified eventually. What would you have us do in the meanwhile?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 05:26 AM

You have my statement on this - nothing had changed - the groups that were a threat to Britain remain a threat; the Muslim communities remain as they always have been, law abiding and industrious (when they are allowed to be by bigoted racist thugs like yourself) certainly nothing has changed there.
I have no intention of being any part of your making this another of your disgusting 'Muslim Prejudice' slime-pits (I'm sure you do not need my help to do this anyway).
Slime away!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 04:12 AM

A small group of extremists within the British Muslim communities have always seen British people as legitimate targets,

Not a small group but as I tried to tell you on this thread "thousands."

You and Don denied it.

This is what MI5 says today.
"Threats to the UK are growing more diverse and diffuse, he said, but warned: "It remains the case that there are several thousand Islamist extremists here who see the British public as a legitimate target." "

"REMAINS THE CASE" Jim.

"Referring to the ongoing conflict in Syria, he said a growing proportion of MI5's casework concerned individuals from the UK who had travelled to fight there.

He said extremist Sunni groups in Syria were aspiring to attack Western countries.

This has long been a concern of Western governments - that British-based jihadists will one day return from the killing fields of Syria and turn their new-found skills on the population back home.

A number of people have been stopped at airports and some have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24454596


"For the future, there is good reason to be concerned about Syria," he said. "

"FOR THE FUTURE" Jim.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24454596

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 03:56 AM

Keith
I have little doubt that is was you who had awoken this thread from its squalid depths - I even commented on
it on the Christian Persecution thread following last nights news - I could even have written your script for you.
There were so signs of terrorist activity within the Muslim communities in Britain back on the 12th September whan I made my comments
What I said last month has not changed one iota that remains the case
A small group of extremists within the British Muslim communities have always seen British people as legitimate targets,
Within the last 24 hours it has been announced that there has been an increase in that number: the BBC news report last night linked that increase to the fact that thousands of young British Muslims are volunteering to join the anti-Assad rebels in Syria.
The 'Free West' has sat on its/our hands and watched while Assad slaughtered the Syrian population.
Our leaders, on our behalf, have declared that, now he has given the undertaking that he will cease to use chemical weapons, he may continue to 'Carry on Slaughtering' by 'conventional' (whatever that means) means.
It's hardly surprising that ordinary Muslims should be outraged at our continued indifference to the slaughter, which has given a great deal of kudos to the extremist groups which have taken over what should have been the U.N's role.
Nor is it surprising that young British Muslims should wish to be part of that role.
Syria has all the makings of a widespread Holy War which could involve us all.
It is this that should concern us all, not the 'nya-nya, I was right', schoolyard -type claims of one member of this forum aimed directly at another - for ****'* sake, grow up and say something worth listening to - this isn't a video war-game!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 03:16 AM

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 11:16 AM

"Thousands of British Muslims are being watched by police and MI5 under suspicion of possible terrorist involvement, a Scotland Yard chief has disclosed."
SEPTEMBER 12TH "))
What has happened to the thousands who were being watched, SEVEN YEARS AGO - secretly banged up, deported or not guilty of any crime - come on Keith - you have a hot line into the security services, you must know?
THE LONGER YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THIS THE BIGGER MORON YOU BECOME - YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY BACKING TO YOUR CLAIM OF INCREASED NUMBERS, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO SIGN OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY,. YOU CONTINUE TO LIE
"I have given sources and links for everything."
NO YOU HAVE NOT -
"This thread has run it's course."
You wish!!
What a trio of tossers!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 03:07 AM

BBC today.

Thousands of Islamist extremists in the UK see the British public as a legitimate target for attacks, the director general of MI5 warns.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 09:47 PM

Za druzhbu myezhdu narodami! To friendship between nations!

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 10:58 AM

No need for you to be ashamed, SJL. They may be of your ancestral background but they are not you! I am, as you may find I said earlier in the thread, part Cossack. My Paternal Grandfather born on the Kuban River and later became a Russian Orthodox priest! My Father was born in Bielystok - Now home to a large community of Tartars - to a Polish mother and the rest of me is made up of English, Welsh and Irish. The only bit I don't have is Scottish, which is a pity coz I love Bagpipes and Whisky :-) I am not ashamed of my ancestry nor am I 'proud to be English' or whatever - It is an accident of birth.

Someone a lot more talented than me wrote 'It ain't what you're given - It's what you do with what you got'. And it is very true :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 01:37 AM

In regard to the recent attacks on Muslims by Ukrainians, you may find this interesting:

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201087102453222638

But there's a bit more to this ethnic animosity, going further back.

The Mongol-Tatar Horde first arrived in what was then Rus'-Kyiv as conquerors in the mid-13th century. They were pretty ruthless colonizers (is there any other kind?). But the worst stage of this saga began when the Tatars combined forces with the Ottoman Empire in the mid-15th century and a slave-trade that would last 333 years (beginning in 1450 and ending in 1783) where Crimean Tatars conducted raids on a regular basis in Ukraine flourished. There were many sackings as well as an annual slave-hunt raid in which, over the years, millions of Ukrainian men, women and children were rounded up and sold into slavery.

The infamous "black roads" to slavery, which appear on 17th century maps of Ukraine, date to the early 15th century and were used for over three centuries to carry enslaved Ukrainians south toward Crimea and the slave markets at Constantinople and Kaffa where ships from Arabia, Turkey, Persia and Syria were docked to buy slaves.

So you see, there is some question as to whether Crimea should be actually be part of Ukraine at all. There is no love lost between these two. People in Crimea speak Russian or Tatar, not Ukrainian. Nevertheless, in 1954, the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the USSR to the Ukrainian SSR. The Russians continue to maintain a strategic naval base there. The Russians loved to manipulate borders to dilute ethnicities and to discourage a sense of collective identity in the various ethnicities they dominated. As per the article, you can see that along with Ukrainians, Tatars suffered mightily under Stalin. In addition to the Ukrainian genocide, half the Tatar population in Crimea was wiped out and the rest were deported. Crimea is now considered an autonomous republic under Ukraine. I don't know that I would characterize the issue as a phenomenon of a "pro-Russian Ukrainian government." Both ethnic Russians and Ukrainians seem to share these sentiments. And yes, I would consider Crimea the ancestral homeland of the Tatars since they had occupied it so long and obviously love it enough to return. At least they should be given some land of their own...

Lately I've noticed, every radical seems to have a hankering for fish and chips. It's very wrong for them to be emigrating to the UK to do their evil deeds. I fear we'll be looking at more of this kind of thing. I'm half Ukrainian. I'm ashamed of these Ukie nutcases. Now I know what it feels like to be a non-radical Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:53 AM

DtG, I think that would be a huge stretch, even for the fertile imaginations of our Mudcat Usual Suspect OCD-sufferers.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 07:19 PM

Dunno about that but some of my best friends were prison ossifers.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 05:34 PM

Anyone taking bets on who makes the first post claiming this is proof that the English are a set of anti-Islamic racists?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 05:33 AM

So we don't know that he "kicked off". I wouldn't be surprised, but we don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 04:45 AM

From my (quite extensive) experience of Prison Officers, they are always very very careful in how they deal with incalcitrance. I've seen them 'in action' many times, and there are usually five, summoned by the alarm bell, who each handle one part of the prisoner (eg one takes a leg, other leg, one arm etc and always the head is protected) They have to watch their step as everything goes on a Report after the event, and any injuries have to be examined by the Prison Doctor. Believe me, abuse by officers is almost unknown, and I've spoken to many inmates about this. They call it 'bending you up' and it just means the head is pushed down so you can't bite an Officer. So IMHO, this chap was kicking off big time to have got his poor little toothy pegs busted. Usually, it's a fellow prisoner who gives one a clump in prison, not the officers. I know one should try to sympathise with this suspect, but I'm afraid I can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:05 AM

That is because no details have been released Richard.
The Prison Officers Association says that the correct restraint procedure was used, suggesting that he needed to be restrained.
They also say that video of the incident exists.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 08:11 PM

I have spent a few minutes trying to verify whether Adebolajo "kicked off". The closest I have seen is that he allegedly "refused to comply with an officer's instructions".

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 05:06 PM

I see that the surviving suspect (who was filmed holding the hatchet with blood dripping from his hands, yet pleaded not guilty) has had two teeth knocked out after kicking off in the Prison where he's being held. He's making a complaint of assault and ill treatment. A bit rich after sawing through the neck of the young soldier.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:22 PM

It's not possible, Keith. Ukrainians are immigrants too, You must just be racist...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:38 AM

Murder victim Mohammed Saleem was mentioned earlier in this thread.

Police have arrested a man for his murder.
He is one of a group of Ukraine nationals who are being questioned about attacks on mosques in Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 03:43 PM

Yes I do! Because Bush, Blair and Brown were too bloody stupid to learn from the way the Russians got their fingers burned trying to control the Afghans.

Your memory is shite then Don.
9/11?
Unprovoked attack that killed thousands, including more Brits than the IRA killed in 30 years?

Planned where Don?
The whole world agreed it was right to go in so they could not do it again.
And they never have.
Just poor dupes carrying home made bombs on to trains, or chopping up an off duty squady.

Bush, Blair, Brown, and all the Tories and all the Libs and everyone else because it had to be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:54 PM

What, Don, has Susan of the DT got to do with the fact that I don't wear any 'mask' to 'slip' as boring J Wotsisface is always going on about, so that with me wotchu C is wotchu get?

Who is Susan of the DT anyhow, & wot has she to do with anything?

Confused.

Puzzled.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:47 PM

I'm with Dave the Gnome in thinking its time that this anti Muslim rant ceased.

The rest of you can continue giving ordinary Muslims reason to feel insecure in this supposedly civilised country.

If you think your attitudes and comments are a productive means of keeping the peace good luck to you.

I suggest you join the EDL.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:37 PM

""Tho Don has pre-empted the name, with me it's

WYSIWYG""

Think again mate!

That's Susan of the DT.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:34 PM

""I suppose I am, yes.
The current wave of al Qaeda attacks began before that excuse existed.

We've been interfering in their countries since forever, so that argument is facile and specious.

Remember why we went into Afghanistan?""

Yes I do! Because Bush, Blair and Brown were too bloody stupid to learn from the way the Russians got their fingers burned trying to control the Afghans.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 08:00 AM

"Extreme religious fundamentalism, like oppressive ethnic nationalism, is not an indication of strong faith or shining conviction. On the contrary, the human being of deep, abiding faith can afford to be tolerant in thought and deed, to question and to be questioned. Those who are comfortable with their deity are comfortable with their neighbors. They are also open to change, once they are convinced of its utility. Doctrinally rigid fundamentalism is always a symptom of insecure faith. This age of resurgent belief is really one of explosive doubt. Those who feel compelled to force their vision of God on others are trying to convince themselves, thus their ferocity. The possibility that alternative paths to salvation exists, isn't an affront to their God, but a personal threat to them."

Military Historian Ralph Peters - "Beyond Terror".

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 04:25 AM

This is the last time I am prepared to humour you on this.

"Since the advent of the Internet, the concept of community has less geographical limitation, as people can now gather virtually in an online community and share common interests regardless of physical location"

MI5 and the police have discovered many conspiracies by monitoring such "sharing" when their little communities "gather."

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 04:13 AM

"Aware of many, but not thousands."
You've had your quotes;
Your response to my statement that there were no Islamist communities in Britain -- again
"MI5 knows of "thousands." "What is the lower limit for a community Jim?"
Are we back no to there being "communities of Islamists in Britain?
Make-up-your-mind-time.
"You did claim that there is not a single Islamist community in the whole country."
Yes I did - and do.
There is not a single shred of evidence to show that there is, certainly not from MI5, as you claim - but you, of course, could prove me wrong.
It remains your job to prove there are - won't hold my breath though.
You really are going to have to put a little thought into the job if you are going to hold your position as Britain's Islamophobe answer to Joe Goebbels
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 02:59 AM

"Yes there are. MI5 and the police are aware of many."
No way out of that one.

Aware of many, but not thousands.
You are falling apart in front of us, and I take no pleasure in it.
You have a demented obsession to catch me out doing bad things.
Good luck with it, but you are charging up a blind alley with this one.
I have never linked "thousands" and "communities" so you are doomed to failure in proving I have.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 06:40 PM

I don't expect a response from this but WHERE HAVE I EVER CLAIMED THERE ARE ARE NO ISLAMISTS

Nowhere Jim.
You did claim that there is not a single Islamist community in the whole country.
I say there must be because there are thousands of known Islamists.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 02:57 PM

"I stand by my posts.
I have never posted about thousands of communities, only thousands of Islamists."
I said:
"there are no identifiable "Islamist communities" in Britain"
In reply you said, in your next post:
"Yes there are. MI5 and the police are aware of many."
No way out of that one.
You are without doubt the most shameless and stupid liar I have ever come across - to deny what has been put before you.
You shame not only yourself but your mate who, feeble as it was, tried to put up some sort of a defence for you.
"You claim without substantiation that there are none at all."
And once again more lying.
I don't expect a response from this but WHERE HAVE I EVER CLAIMED THERE ARE ARE NO ISLAMISTS
I am well aware there are, I have said there are, I have pointed them out in relation to the MI5 reports, In the light of the London bombings I would have to be incredibly stupid toi have ever made such a claim.
You raelly are an unwholesome little shit.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 12:30 PM

Dave ~~ At what point does the publication of an unpalatable truth about anyone become a 'sneaky little dig' at them?

Just asking.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 08:30 AM

The longer you go at this one, chaps, the more loonies will post to it. As witnessed. Can I suggest it be left to sink or, preferably, closed so these sneaky little digs at Moslems cannot continue.

Just a thought.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Eew!
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 07:52 AM

Well......fuck me dead!

Fatwa: Necrophilia Is An Acceptable Practice In Islam

By markulyseas
Report
Washington / Morocco Board News--An Imam in Morocco issued a fatwa stating that necrophilia is "Halal" or religiously acceptable practice in Islam. He said that a husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife.
The Imam, whose name is Zamzami Abdelbari, said that marriage remains valid even after death, which does not cancel the marriage link. He took as evidence a Koranic verse which says that Muslims believers will go to Paradise with their wives…
Sheikh Zamzami said that the husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife. He added that the husband may wash the body of his dead wife and have sex with her.
He said that the woman also has the same right but failed to explain how a woman can manage to perform sex with the corpse of her dead husband.
However, Sheikh Zamzami, tempered his most unusual fatwa by stating that necrophilia, though Halal is a disgusting act that would be best avoided.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Unhappy Infidel
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 07:40 AM

Nice hobby

Ariel Sellouk – Houston, August 2003: throat slit attempted but incomplete beheading.
Sébastien Selam – Paris, November 2003: throat was slit twice; his face was mutilated with a carving fork and his eyes were gouged out by a Muslim neighbor who boasted, "I killed my Jew, I'll go to paradise."
Theo Van Gogh – Amsterdam, November 2004: shot, throat slit, and five-page paper pinned to his body.
Hossam Armanious, Amal Garas, Sylvia Armanious, and Monica Armanious, – Jersey City, N.J., January 2005: necks, throats and bodies stabbed, mutilation of Coptic tattoo.
Brendan Mess, Erik Weissman, and Raphael Teken - Waltham, Massachusetts, September 2011: throats slit, probably by Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bombers.
Hany F. Tawadros and Amgad A. Konds – Jersey City, N.J., February 2013: shot, decapitated, hands severed.
Lee Rigby – Woolwich, England, May 2013: run over by car, mutilated, beheaded.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/muslim-acts-of-beheadings-in-the-us-and-the-west-97308/#Bji3vEDCVtlYzYBZ.99

Plenty of graphic videos on-line if you have the stomach for it.
(I certainly don't)

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 07:33 AM

Yes Jim.
I stand by my posts.
I have never posted about thousands of communities, only thousands of Islamists.

You claim without substantiation that there are none at all.
I say that with thousands of known Islamists there must be.

I have nothing more to say on this.
It is just a silly attempt at point scoring.
Move on Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Happy Infidel
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 07:32 AM

Jim said;    "....... trying to prove that it is a regular Muslim custom to behead people"

France abolished use of the guillotine in 1977
Islamic extremists have held a near monopoly on the practise since then.

Off with their heads

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 06:35 AM

"thousands of Islamist communities known to MI5 This is now blatant lying."
Two consecutive responses - unaltered in any way
Jim Carroll

"Yes there are. MI5 and the police are aware of many."
No there aren't - you have been ably, by stretching a point to claim two thousand 'Islamists' - risks to national security nationwide. - how many "communities" can you make out of that number?
Tell us where they are or stop making things up.
"Not the majority of ordinary, decent British Muslims"
M and M has just scuppered that one with his ""Back to dear old Mandy R-D" ("they would say that, wouldn't they?") - no matter how many "decent British Muslims" there are, none of them are to be trusted - your running-mate just said so.
"Islamism is winning the cognitive war"
Hi Boo-Boo, broken it off with Yogi Bear have you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 21 Jun 13 - 10:42 AM
MI5 knows of "thousands."

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 06:33 AM

As I keep saying, Jim, I have no mask. Tho Don has pre-empted the name, with me it's

WYSIWYG

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:50 AM

thousands of Islamist communities known to MI5

This is now blatant lying.
I have never claimed such a thing.

Jim's post faking a quote I never made.

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 24 Jun 13 - 01:52 PM

"Jim, there must be at least a few communities among thousands of individuals"
Where are we now - one minute you were referring to "thousands of communities of Islamists known to MI5"

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:43 AM

Did I do that Mike - shit, I really will have to lay off that cooking sherry.
I could have sworn I wrote "It doesn't matter a toss what you put in one sentence"
Nor does it - whatever he is saying now, (which appears to that there are Islamist "communities", having said there are none and that he was only referring to "Islamists") he has claimed that there are many and thousands of Islamist communities known to MI5 - THERE ARE NONE - GEDDIT? (put this in red to get up your nose and see if I can't get the mask to slip even further.
I'd stick with 'Just William' and trying to prove that it is a regular Muslim custom to behead people - you seem more at home there.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 05:17 AM

Can you really think it was 'an honestly held reason', Don? What 'honestly held reason' can one of any rationality [& your tone insists that you wish to regard this piece of human pig-detritus as such] have for chopping a man's head off in the middle of a busy street? & yes he did, you fool: or at least manifestly tried to, but was just plain bloody inefficient.

But he shouted 'Allah' and 'Afghans' as he did it, so that makes it a rational political act driven by genuine deeply-held beliefs, to hear you tell it.

"Sad"

right back 2U. In ♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠. With brass knobs on!!!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 04:46 AM

And you won't mind me pointing out that although this was a vicious and inexcusable act, no heads were lopped.

A number of people saw them chopping away at his neck after he was dead.
Chopping on stone paving, it would have been difficult to sever every strand.
The pm withheld the detail of his injuries.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 04:41 AM

Are you really stupid enough to believe that the presence of our troops in their country shooting Muslims (the numbers are YOUR red herring. They are killing any who resist their presence with arms) has no bearing on terrorist acts in Britain?

I suppose I am, yes.
The current wave of al Qaeda attacks began before that excuse existed.

Remember why we went into Afghanistan?

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 04:41 AM

""Oh, aye ~~ it has a bearing right enuff, Don. It furnishes them with a luvverly excuse for indulging their fave headlopping hobby.""

Sad Mike, as well as unworthy!

One man's excuse is another man's honestly held reason, or have you joined Keiths circle of telepathic Muslim haters?

And you won't mind me pointing out that although this was a vicious and inexcusable act, no heads were lopped.

That was a piece of classical yellow journalism.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 04:34 AM

""It is my opinion that accusing us of the indiscriminate killing of Muslims anywhere is bollocks, as I have stated all along.
If you or anyone want to defend that slander, good luck.

Islamism is a religious political ideology.
It is opposed to our system and seeks to impose religion in its place.
It is religion.
It is (anti) political.""

You are lying again!

What he said was that the British have killed and are killing Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan......TRUE!

He didn't say indiscriminately, YOU did!

He also made the point that the presence of our troops in their countries was part of his rationale for committing this crime.

and I repeat the question you are wriggling wildy to avoid answering:

Are you really stupid enough to believe that the presence of our troops in their country shooting Muslims (the numbers are YOUR red herring. They are killing any who resist their presence with arms) has no bearing on terrorist acts in Britain?

Please don't bother with all the side issues and obfuscation. We've already seen all you've got.

A simple yes or no will suffice!

Don T.