BS: Unarmed soldier killed, (London-May 2013)

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM

""You just insisted on expounding on the examples until you exposed examples of other Muslims behaving despicably.""

IMPLICIT in your biased post.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 12:27 PM

"I despise anybody who singles out any race, religion or community in order to "hate" them - (Christians, Moslems, Jews, Africans, West Indians) I've always believed that to be racism or bigotry...
Jim Carroll
.,,.
So aren't the Israelis a 'community' then? You may say it isn't the 'community' you continually revert to the animadversion of in any context, relevant or [often, as above] not, but just their government. But they go on electing them, don't they? so communally they seem satisfied with the government they've got, don't they? -- even if they don't quite meet the lofty criteria of Carroll J? The fact that there may be some internal dissent ~~ perhaps even a lot; but when and where isn't there? ~~ is neither here nor there. The fact is that you just have got it in for the Israeli "community". So have I these days, as you know (except my nephew who is a tv producer and an Emin & lives in Karmiel in Galilee]. But that doesn't alter the fact that here is a community you hate. And if you say you don't actually 'hate' it, well I reckon it will do till 'hate' comes along.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 08:25 AM

I am having a problem understanding the way the question is phrased, Jim. I am sure it must be me. Anyway, to make it quite clear, I do not like people who use social status, culture, creed or colour to generate hate toward other peoples. It certainly annoys me but I am not sure what you mean by 'doesn't it offend you'. I am not sure if I do, or ever have, 'hated' anyone for any reason but if there was a reason it would be their actions, not how they look or think.

Which is why I do not like people who perpetrated this attrocity. I do not like the politicians, on all sides, who have used it as an excuse to engender hatred of any either our own society or Islam and I do not like the way you, and others, have used it as a reason to continue your own personal vendettas.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but I will continue until it gets through. I thoroughly condemn the perpetrators and those who incited them while I have no issue at all with the vast majority of Moslems. I am sure most Moslems would say the same about our leaders and ourselves. I am sure that everyone on this thread feels the same - something which you cannot seem to accept in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Hope this now clarifies my position.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 08:04 AM

"Se enough is enough as long as you get the last word and that last word is that anyone disagreeing with you hates Moslems, eh Jim?"
Dave
I despise anybody who singles out any race, religion or community in order to "hate" them - (Christians, Moslems, Jews, Africans, West Indians) I've always believed that to be racism or bigotry - doesn't it offend you in any way?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 06:37 AM

No more eh - let's get back to the hatefest?

Se enough is enough as long as you get the last word and that last word is that anyone disagreeing with you hates Moslems, eh Jim? Weasel words indeed.

The fact that you can't find it is proof - if proof were needed, taht yopu don't read what others put up

Just as you have provided links to posts which prove I am the Islamophobe you claim I am? One law for Jim, another for everyone else. I should know better really. As I said before, one cannot reason with the unreasonable.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 05:47 AM

"Apology accepted."
No apology to you Keith - and don't you ever again try to implicate me in something one of your goose-stepping mates started.
The fact that you can't find it is proof - if proof were needed, taht yopu don't read what others put up - you've been given it at least twice before - I seem to remember you found it too long and boring to read.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 04:09 AM

Because I can't find it Jim, but let it pass.
Apology accepted.
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 03:17 AM

BTW
"Please also explain why you are hijacking this thread about a recent murder in Woolwich "
I was replying to a statement made first by Bobad, taken up by Don and then by Mike - why do you ask?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jun 13 - 02:28 AM

"I think you made that up Jim."
I apologise to all for contributing to this long running and long established dog-fight which has no place on a thread about the murder of a soldier on the London streets.
No more eh - let's get back to the hatefest?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 11:47 PM

Indeed. And some can obsessively introduce such comparisons obsessively into contexts where they are, at best, merely tangential to the topic under discussion, giving rise to speculations as to why they continually do so.

Know the old joke about the international prize offered for essays on The Elephant? Well - The Englishman entered with an essay on 'Elephants I have Shot In Africa'. The Frenchman submitted 'The Elephant as Lover'. The German contributed 'A Brief Prologemonon To An Exhaustive Study Of The Philosophical Make-Up Of The Psyche Of The Elephant Approached in Freudian and Jungian Terms'. The American wrote on 'Humorous Contributions from The Elephant To The Saturday Evening Post and the New Yorker'.

From the Irishman came 'The Elephant And Partition'.

From J Carroll we get a never-ending stream of essays on 'The Elephant At Shatila'.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 05:15 PM

Comparisons are always possible between any two things. Comparing things involves picking out differences and similarities.

While there were major differences between the Nazi regime and the Apartheid regime in South Africa, there were also some very disturbing similarities. Defenders of the regime tended to emphasize the differences while ignoring or denying the similarities and parallels. Critics tended to do the opposite.

The same can be true in relation to other countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 04:38 PM

Why, Keith: because J Carroll, as all on this forum know, is an antisemite in terms of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia {EUMC} 2005 working definition of antisemitism.

Why else?

So he wouldn't pass up the opportunity, would he?

Just look how he intros that last post of his: '"comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis" -
The Israeli regime's comparison with Nazism has been a fairly long-standing one.'

He can say that again; much so, on here, with his active participation ~~ like his irrelevant [as you point out Keith] jumping on the bandwagon of that passing phrase to be blown up into a full-blown rant of a post.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 04:22 PM

Also Jim, that post suggests an irrational preoccupation with, and hatred of, Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 04:02 PM


Parts of the Israeli press described the regime's complicity in the Sabra/Shatila massacre as "Israel's Lidice"

I think you made that up Jim.
Google can not find such a ref in Israeli or any press.
Is it a lie Jim, or can you justify it?

Please also explain why you are hijacking this thread about a recent murder in Woolwich into yet another one about a massacre of Arabs by Arabs in Lebanon thirty years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 03:13 PM

"comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis"
The Israeli regime's comparison with Nazism has been a fairly long-standing one.
Parts of the Israeli press described the regime's complicity in the Sabra/Shatila massacre as "Israel's Lidice" – and the later appointment of the man who was held responsible for facilitating that massacre, Menachem Begin to the post of Prime Minister was seen by many as Israel's validation of that massacre.
More recently, the former head of Shin Beth interviewed for the film 'The Gatekeepers' all but compared modern Israel with Nazi Germany, falling short by saying it was "too horrible to put into words".
It is fairly common to hear modern Israel described as an "Apartheid State", and its segregated public transport (both on racial and gender basis) has said to be "In need of a Rosa Parks", a reference to segregated America.
The regime's proposed forcible movement of whole communities (Bedouins) onto a rubbish dump in order to make way for new Settlements is classic fascism, (the wishes of the state over the interests of the people) underlined by the fact that the proposed new site is toxic and (according to the Israeli health authorities) will remain so for at least twenty years.
Nearer to home, in one of the main Islamophobic Israeli atrocity apologists, thanks to his continued denial of Israel's facilitation in the Sabra/Shatila massacre (historically established and formally documented – notably by a Jewish academic based in Jerusalem) Mudcat has acquired its own David Irving (leading Holocaust denier and apologist for Nazi war crimes).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 02:16 PM

I see you are right Fred.
The EDL protests against the murder escaped my notice.
Sorry
McGrath spoke of "condemning those who take advantage of such atrocities as an excuse to attack Muslims."
At least there has been little of that, as made clear in that Andrew McGilligan piece.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 02:04 PM

Good article Keith. Political types are constantly about the business of bending the truth to their hidden agendas. They are never happy unless they have people divided seven ways to Sunday.

But the 11 incidents of "hijab snatching" are way over the top uncalled for and downright nasty. You don't humiliate a woman like that. That's a very personal kind of attack and shows a basic lack of respect for others which I would think, for the snatchers, likely manifests in other areas besides their attitude toward the Muslim Community.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 01:11 PM

Keith A of Hertford. "That has been the only demonstration provoked by the murder."

It hasn't. The EDL and various other sordid far right groups have been out in force all over the country, ever since the murder, stirring up hatred and aggression for all they're worth.

By contrast, the Muslim community - as distinct from individual paranoids - has shown an amazing stoicism and a readyness to unite with all other opponents of racism and prejudice. Here's a link to a report, remarkably even handed considering the partisan nature of the newspaper, about a multi racial/multi cultural/multi religious vigil which was sheld in the wake of the Muswell hill arson attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 12:58 PM

Link probs.
Try this or google text.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10093568/The-truth-about-the-wave-of-attacks-on-Muslims-after-Woolwich-murder.html

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 12:53 PM

Daily Telegraph
"What the data broadly show, in short, is that Drummer Rigby's killers have failed. The breakdown in community relations has not come. There has been a rise in incidents, but it appears to be very short-term, overwhelmingly non-violent and even then almost entirely at the lower end of the scale."
See the data here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10093568/The-truth-about-the-wave-of-attacks-on-Muslims-after-Woolwic

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 12:43 PM

Marching round on the street shouting or firebombing buildings aren't the only ways of attacking ordinary Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 12:34 PM

I agree of course, and would add that there has been almost zero support for that from anyone.
Last week's nationally sponsored BNP march in London produced about 150 demonstrators only.
They were heavily outnumbered by the ant-fascist counter demonstrators.

That has been the only demonstration provoked by the murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 11:30 AM

"I would hope that the same is true of those condemning those who take advantage of such atrocities as an excuse to attack Muslims."

That goes without saying but I will say say it nevertheless.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 11:14 AM

Those condemning terrorist atrocities such as the Woolwich murder include most Muslims, as well as most non-Muslims.

I would hope that the same is true of those condemning those who take advantage of such atrocities as an excuse to attack Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 10:52 AM

"Thank you for confirming that your feeble attempt to show that you have anything positive to say about Muslims was a lie."

The focus of this thread is not about all Muslims, it is about the subgroup of Muslims who commit acts of terror in the name of their religion, despite you attempt at deflection by trying to make it appear that those who condemn those terrorists are in fact condemning all Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:52 AM

Thank you for confirming that your feeble attempt to show that you have anything positive to say about Muslims was a lie.

No, we showed that it was true.
You just insisted on expounding on the examples until you exposed examples of other Muslims behaving despicably.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:52 AM

Oh Don, your slurs and false allegations, not to mention your outright lies, have become rather dreary.

And which race exactly are you accusing me of being racist towards again - I am unable to keep track of all your accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:50 AM

"It is not only the Islamists who wish to have society altered to suit their notions. "

True enough, but that's normal enough. I suspect a lot of us would be in favour of relaxation of prohibition of alcoholic drinks if we were working in a country where that was the situation. And it is the case in a number of predominently Muslim nations that prohibition does not extend to non-muslim residents.

And of course getting the definition of marriage altered to cover single sex unions was a clear case of people wishing to have society altered " to suit their notions".

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:42 AM

And, Bobad, I KNOW that you are racist!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:41 AM

""So Don are you claiming that you were trapped into drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis""

If there are parallels in behaviour, it is a fact, and no matter what biased organisations may say, a fact it remains.

Just because it is a fact which you and others would like suppressed, you are pleased to call it anti semitic.

My comments on this fact relate directly to the Israeli government and its military organ the IDF, and the policies and actions they, and only they pursue.

It has no bearing on the Jewish religion, and it is my opinion that the Israeli government is letting down the ordinary people of Israel.

You would like to categorise that as hatred of Jews, because you would not then have to deal with the real problem.

You would be wrong, not surprisingly, and as usual.

As for the racist enterprise that is frankly ridiculous.

Do I think that the Israeli govrnment is racist? YES I DO!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:30 AM

""It clearly implies that they risk death at the hands of fellow Muslims if they offer that help.
Some reprisal certainly.
A year ago there were street lynchings in Gaza of people suspected of helping Israel.""

Thank you for confirming that your feeble attempt to show that you have anything positive to say about Muslims was a lie.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 09:16 AM

Yes, it is dangerous even to accept help from a Jew, nevermind help one.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:41 AM

There was also the story of the 4 year old Syrian girl who received life saving heart surgery in Israel:

"....the mother's and daughter's journey to safety was a long and dangerous one.

They made their way to Israel through a third country, the name of which has not been made known for security reasons.

The child and her mother are also not being named because of a potentially hostile reaction should they eventually return home.

"It's just too dangerous," said Fatma Sarsour, Arabic translator for Save a Child's Heart.

"At some point, both daughter and mother will go back to Syria and they want to keep this trip a secret," she said.

Her middle-aged mother appeared uncomfortable with media attention because of the perils of being identified and declined to comment."

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:16 AM


You reported then said (repeatedly), based on the identity of its authors that you believed it.

Of course I believed them!
They were all from that community or had close links.
The question is why you and Jim somehow knew better.

It clearly implies that they risk death at the hands of fellow Muslims if they offer that help.
Some reprisal certainly.
A year ago there were street lynchings in Gaza of people suspected of helping Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:06 AM

All right, Don. But please don't tell me what I am supposed to think becoz of certain genetic antecedence which I have long rejected.

It is not only the Islamists who wish to have society altered to suit their notions. There have been requests from quite respectable representative bodies for polygamy to be permitted uniquely to their community, haven't there? Not only Muslims come along and expect concessions to their own differing ways either ~~ there was a bit of unpleasantness a generation [or even two] back when certain young Jamaicans tried to convince us that, because ganja was a traditional part of their lifestyle, the drug laws shouldn't apply to them -- remember?. It was a generational thing, & I think that particular notion has vanished into the mists of history as these young tearaways have matured into responsible adults and their children have accommodated as respectable citizens in the culture they have been born to; but it was disagreeably ill-mannered while it persisted in the 1950s.

I'm not aware of any 'new' me. My views on these matters, and the expression of them, have not altered that I am aware of. I regret if they don't suit your notions, but, as Dr Johnson remarked when someone spoke slightingly of a work he happened to admire, "Sir, you may be sure 'twas writ with little thought of pleasing you".

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:06 AM

"......trap me into making any anti Jewish statement."

So Don are you claiming that you were trapped into drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis and stating that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor - two examples of antisemitism as defined by the European Union Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia not by me or Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 08:05 AM

""Those massacred Muslims were not bad guys.
They were the innocent victims of Christian killers.""

With the connivance of the IDF!

A red herring in any case, and irrelevant to this particular argument.

""In the other post I was explaining that an absence of examples of generosity by Muslims to Jews did not mean that there were no generous individuals, just that it is harder for them to show such generosity.""

Oh come on Keith, don't be coy and don't take us all for fools. The implication of that post was clear in the context of the thread. It clearly implies that they risk death at the hands of fellow Muslims if they offer that help.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:53 AM

""The claim that it came from culture was not made by me.
I knew nothing about the culture. I merely reported the claim.
Will you ever stop shooting the messenger Jim?""

No you didn't!

You reported then said (repeatedly), based on the identity of its authors that you believed it.

You then went through a whole thread dehumanising British Pakistanis by referring to them as BPs.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:47 AM

""A Jew; he must have a chip on his shoulder about golf clubs"...""

I wasn't trying to tell you what you must think Mike.

I used that as an example of intolerance toward your people, because you complain whenever the more serious example is quoted.

All it meant was that I would expect him who has been the victim of intolerance and discrimination to devote more attention to avoiding inflicting both on others.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:41 AM

When Bobad is on the losing side and has nothing else to offer, the word antisemite appears.

i have been called out on it only by Keith and Bobad, the Israeli government's staunchest supporters, and they have tried, without success, for a very long time to trap me into making any anti Jewish statement.

Now Mike is joining them, not surprisingly after I have pointed out his anti Muslim rant.

I'm surprised at Mike's sudden intolerance of those who disagree with him, but even more surprised at the outburst which began this argument. It's not the Mike I thought I knew and I'm afraid I don't much like the new one.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:32 AM

""A bloody great parade of murderous thugs, of whom that fat slug was just the spokie. Weren't you watching Jim? Of course not. You were doing your usual ostrich act, so you could ignore the bleeding-obvious, the patent lesson that Islam should never have been allowed a foothold here to preach its poisonous [and filthy-mannered] doctrine that, now they are here & have taken over some of our cities [Luton; Bradford...], we have got to change all our ways to accommodate their filthy fatuous ideas or they are going to kill a few more of our soldiers & blow up a few more of our buses. And then lift your head out just long enough to shout "Racist", coz it's all you've got, before burying it again.""

Just read again your own post Mike.

Note the comment about Islam (not Islamism), which I have highligted for you, and tll me that this isn't an attack on the whole Muslim community, Islamist or not.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:32 AM

"And this is what Bobad condiders a positive comment on Muslims."

The fact that Tarek is undeterred by threat of death shows courage and determination. Wouldn't you say that is positive? Nice try at spinning that into something negative though as is your usual MO.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:27 AM

Oh, OK ~~

"Into the Valley of Death
Rode the ..."

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:23 AM

..and Bobad's example was of a Muslim friend who is not a bad guy either.

Post 600 anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:20 AM

Don, Dave asked us " to post a link or comment on a Moslem who is not a bad guy?"

Those massacred Muslims were not bad guys.
They were the innocent victims of Christian killers.

In the other post I was explaining that an absence of examples of generosity by Muslims to Jews did not mean that there were no generous individuals, just that it is harder for them to show such generosity.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:13 AM

""He lives under constant threat of death from fellow Muslims who consider him an enemy to them and their fundamentalist beliefs.""

And this is what Bobad condiders a positive comment on Muslims.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:08 AM

""You need to justify that outrageous accusation.

The massacres (of Muslims) you refer to were committed by (Christian) Lebanese militia,""

Christian Lebanese who were known to be sworn enemies of the Muslims, and were sent in by IDF, who then knew, but ignored what they were doing, and afterward helped to cover it up.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 07:04 AM

""Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 09:03 AM

There might be more kindness (from Muslims) in return were it not for fear of reprisal.
It is not healthy to be seen helping a Jew in many places.""

So, two examples, one of which required digging out from an almost forgotten conflict six years in the past.

It is you who refuses to accept evidence from Jim, because it is that far in the past, is it not?

As for your second example, far from being positive it is saying that Muslims are likely to kill any of their own who helps a Jew.

How does that improve your case?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 06:49 AM

Sorry Michael, I just dont get that. The remark you objected to didn't imply anything about supposed Jewish attitudes or stereotypes, it was about the parallel between intolerance towards Jews and Muslims.
................

"... it is the height of filthy manners to move into someone else's country &, instead of adjusting to the lifestyle that you find, insist that the host mores must be adjusted to accommodate yours..."

That applies in all countries?

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 13 - 06:25 AM

Yes ~~ he was quoting me, DtG. I staND BY THE COMPLETE STATEMENT, WHICH CAN BE FOUND SOMEWHERE WAY BACK IF YOU CAN BE BOTHERED [bugger this officious shift-lock], that it is the height of filthy manners to move into someone else's country &, instead of adjusting to the lifestyle that you find, insist that the host mores must be adjusted to accommodate yours.

~M~