Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 30 Jan 16 - 02:35 AM To my very untrained, Tex-Mex-Spanglished ears I thought Natalie did quite well and Nat not that bad. But then I was just thinking about the Spanish albums. I had completely forgotten "Tannenbaum." Now I wonder how long it's going to take to unremember it? Oy! |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:55 PM Keberoxu, that "Tannenbaum" recording by Nat was exactly what I was thinking of.The first line is tolerable, and then it gets worse and worse and.... But when Nat sings "Nature Boy" or "Straighten Up and Fly Right" or "Route 66," nobody can surpass him. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Monique Date: 29 Jan 16 - 02:41 PM No wonder I found your English translations about Inti Illimani were sooooooooooo good! |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: keberoxu Date: 29 Jan 16 - 12:43 PM I'm not a native speaker! only a nosy student of literature and music, my native language is English. I depend on people like Monique to keep me honest! Really. Dear Nat K Cole, I love his Christmas album but I always have to brace myself not to giggle when he sings O Tannenbaum, O Tannenbaum, wie treu sind deine Blätter. Give him an "A" for effort, you know, but he's not at home there, he's only visiting. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 16 - 03:37 AM I'd say Natalie's Spanish sounds great, but Nat's foreign-language pronunciation sometimes left something to be desired. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Monique Date: 29 Jan 16 - 03:22 AM Her Spanish sounds fine to my ears, though I can't say what brand of Spanish she sounds like. The only thing I can say is that she doesn't sound Spain Spanish -or at least the one I'm used to. Maybe Keberoxu would say more about it? |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:58 PM Joe: "And lots of North American singers like Nat "King" Cole sang these songs, often with horrible pronunciation." We should note somewhere that neither Natalie nor her father spoke Spanish. It's all phonetics and that Cole family ear. Curious Monique, what did you think about their accents/inflections as you translated? And thanks to the both of you nbtw! |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: keberoxu Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:29 PM Manana de Carnaval has its own thread, except it's the Brazilian-Portuguese original, not the Spanish translation on Natalie Cole's last album. |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Monique Date: 28 Jan 16 - 04:04 AM I'd like to add that as usually, my translations are more or less literal (as you can check, ah!), they're not worded as a native English speaker would word them and they're not supposed to sound pretty or be singable. They're only meant for English speakers to have an idea of what the songs mean. Now you've been warned! |
Subject: RE: ADD: Songs from Natalie Cole: En Espanol From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 03:42 AM OK, so now it would be appropriate to ask why I'd bother to post these lyrics in a folk music forum. I guess all these songs fall into the category of "easy listening" music. There were earlier times in my life when I derided "easy listening." It was my dad's music, and he listened to it constantly and he often sang along. Was this "authentic" Hispanic music? I don't think so. This was music performed by Latin American "big bands" in nightclubs all over the Americas, and I think the primary audience was (North) Americans and wealthy Latin Americans. And lots of North American singers like Nat "King" Cole sang these songs, often with horrible pronunciation. So, I dunno. There are all sorts of reasons why I should condemn and ignore this music. But I grew up with this music, and I like it. Same goes for the Italian songs that were so popular in the 1950s and 1960s. How could a person not like "Volare"? -Joe- |
Subject: ADD: Amapola (Poppy) From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:56 AM
* The composition of "Amapola" is wrongly attributed to José María Lacalle García (1860 –1937) but there is a version by José Padilla as a pasodoble, which is an arrangement of the one composed by Manuel M. Ponce, Mexican composer from the late 1800s-early 1900's. (Wiki) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH0WghBVpXM&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=12 1941 recording by Helen O'Connell and Bob Eberly with the Jimmy Dorsey Orchestra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcFNRGsDQ1sM Supposedly, this is Nat's recording, but it doesn't sound like him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMkbQwC7ks 3 Tenors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQkGjnJrb1Y |
Subject: ADD: Bachata Rosa From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJmoNILyv4&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=11 Joe sez: I admit this is one I'm not familiar with, but note the age of the songwriter. |
Subject: ADD: El dia que me quieras From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtns0CMHMtg&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=10 Jose Negrete 1944 recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZmWVceNKl0 Gloria Estefan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8gjoGTi4eQ |
Subject: ADD: Yo Lo Amo (I Love Him) From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhME7QOdNDA&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=9 The original recording of this song was by the Beatles, titled "And I Love Her": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suskx9oXsnI |
Subject: ADD: Oye Como Va From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:23 AM Oye Como Va Ernesto Antonio Puente (1923 – 2000) Oye como va, mi ritmo Bueno pa' gozar, mulata (Listen to my rhythm Good for fun, mulata- A woman of mixed race) Oye como va, mi ritmo Bueno pa' gozar, mulata (Listen to my rhythm Good for fun, mulata) Oye como va, mi ritmo Bueno pa' gozar, mulata (Listen to my rhythm Good for fun, mulata) Oye como va, mi ritmo Bueno pa' gozar, mulata (Listen to my rhythm Good for fun, mulata) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcu3u52IzzY&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=8 Joe sez: This one isn't complete. After singing this chorus, she goes into some other stuff like "vamos al baillar" and "rhumba" and "la ultima noche." Did Nat sing this one? Here's an alternate set of lyrics:
But that's not what she sings, either. Here's the Wikipedia entry on this song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oye_Como_Va. The song was written by Tito Puente in 1963, and popularized by the 1970 recording by Santana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsJ84YV1oA Santana sang the limited lyrics posted at the top of this message, but Natalie Cole sang more. Here is a recording by Tito Puente at the 1990 Newport Jazz Festival: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvfq7Q7_zfA - you really need to see this one. Tito Puente is just amazing. Note that Tito Puente uses only the couplet furnished up top:
Bueno pa' gozar, mulata |
Subject: ADD: Solamente Una Vez From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8swkzG5d834&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=7 Nat's recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avTvKgQMLVs |
Subject: ADD: Quizas, Quizas, Quizas From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1GELyVlX9M&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=6 Nat did this one, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDGgUGBD-90 |
Subject: ADD: Besame Mucho From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 01:57 AM
Translation by Mudcat's Monique. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBHTju5NBQQ&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=5 Natalie Cole with Andrea Bocelli Nat's recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMeoCTWj__Y ...but the recording of this that I really like is the one by Diana Krall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okjvHxNdPBU |
Subject: ADD: Manana de Carnaval From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 01:45 AM
Translation by Mudcat's Monique. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4QS55ATjVU&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=4 Joe sez: I know this melody as "A Day in the Life of a Fool." Manhã de Carnaval (trad. En: Morning of Carnival) is the original title of this song by Brazilian composers Luiz Bonfá & Antonio Maria. The song appeared in the 1959 Portuguese-language film Orfeu Negro (English titled: Black Orpheus), performed here as -A day in the life of a fool- by Harry Belafonte https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIj5Z7O4ruM Manhã de Carnaval thread (click). |
Subject: ADD: Acercate mas (Osvaldo Farres) From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 01:39 AM
Translation by Mudcat's Monique This one is a duet with Nat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giNAnDJ30QI&list=PL6jBFc3z9uuLFsQxh76wt7xboltVS5JY8&index=3 Nat's recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3QWcn5TNk |
Subject: Voy a apagar la luz /Contigo aprendi (medley) From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jan 16 - 01:28 AM
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