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BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria

skarpi 31 Aug 13 - 10:12 PM
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Subject: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: skarpi
Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:12 PM

I wonder if CIA had anything to do with shooting up this SARIN missile ...in SYRIA ...they are the only one who knows the time and where it was lunched ...I wonder ...just to get
OK for a war ...hmmmmm


just thinking up loud ,

I hope Obama won´t set of the trigger ,if the congress say no ..
he have the power to do so ....
Please do not start WW3.
this world has enough problems already .


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 13 - 10:31 PM

".they are the only one who knows the time and where it was lunched ..:

No... they merely have satellites that can SEE where missles were launched. Do not even think such horrible thoughts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 13 - 11:43 PM

there must be a lot of special forces on the ground though. wonder they dont have better intelligence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 12:08 AM

Whoever did it, I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to. They wouldn't want to, because it doesn't help them in any way, but hurts them. They are already winning their war anyway. For them to have done so is about as unlikely as for Mr Obama to cross the floor and join the Republican Party or sign up for the KKK.

As for who did it? That's easy. He who gets what he wants as a result of doing it did it! And that could be any one of: The USA, the UK, France, Turkey, Israel, and the various foreign-backed "rebels" and jihadists that the American/UK/Israeli axis has been supporting and supplying for 2 years now for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Syria. Any one of them might have done it...with possible collusion and assistance from one or two more of them.

It's another utterly phony "false flag" propaganda exercise to provide the USA and the UK with another spurious reason to go to war. When you've already caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians across the Middle East (if not millions), to pretend moral outrage over the deaths of a few hundred more is the height of hypocrisy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 02:04 AM

Love it! Thinking outside the box....which may be more accurate that thinking inside the pre-fab box, neatly and so carefully planned out for you.
I can't say that I have any 'info' to back up Little Hawk's theory of possibilities, other than to say, 'It wouldn't surprise me'...nor, should it surprise any of you! Something is VERY UGLY over there, and I find it absolutely stunning, that the main consideration being bantered about in the media, is that Obama's main concern is that he might 'embarrass' himself, because of his 'red line' rhetoric, makes him look like the unthinking blowhard, that might give his devotees the correct impression of him!..but for the string pulling puppet masters, they CAN afford it....because the next stage is already 'in the works'...and if we all focus in on Obama, we might miss the 'play'.

Just a thought......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:47 AM

The ladies did it, ladies who launch..


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:28 AM

well , my mistake ...misspell the word ...:) ..hahaha ..

thats me .

all the best


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 07:17 AM

IMO, that theory is mostly "out to lunch"- but, I suspect some middle east conspiracy folks would like to spread it around.

I suspect there are are a multitude of interests inside and outside the country with their own agendas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:27 AM

In response to Bill D.'s quote "Do not even think such horrible thoughts" in regards to the title of this thread, below are just some of the atrocities the CIA has been responsible for in the past.

1959
Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1973
Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

1975
Angola — Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger's assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

1980
El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D'Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

A quote from Bill Clinton in a speech before the CIA celebrating its 50th anniversary, President Clinton said: "By necessity, the American people will never know the full story of your courage."

I certainly do not know if the CIA did launch that Satin missile, but looking through the history of the CIA's past would I be surprised if they did? I have come to realize in my old age that the evil deeds of humans upon other humans does not change. Many never learn, and many never really care.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:33 AM

You draw a nice conclusion No 6.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:37 AM

No doubt the CIA has been involved in bad deeds in the past, as othes have.

But, does that provide evidence that the CIA was responsible here. It suI suspect that would not represent good logical thinking based on that alonem


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:13 AM

Ed T .... I never did declared that it did provide evidence ... I stated "but looking through the history of the CIA's past would I be surprised if they did? ".

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:40 AM

# 6 And I did not finger you as saying that either - I just put the suggestion made in the OP, added to by other posts, into logical perspective. When a suggestion is made, it seems prudent to subject it such thinking to avoid some folks using it to form a conclusion, (which seemed to have occured in one follow-up post).


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:01 AM

guest Ed T , I did not say they did , but I asked and wondered
about if is so ? ...

just some thing wrong about this .

the Russian should also know if the Syria Government did this ,
they have their people there as well .
and no one wants to kill children I think .

all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:04 AM

I am sure the Russians do know, but would they inform on their friend.
He is such a good customer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:09 AM

Is it unreasonable to also suspect that there are interests who may wish to lure the USA into a unpopular exploit to further alienate countries and groups against them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:14 AM

Congrates, Skarpi... You have beaten songwronger to this conspiracy theory... Well done...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:19 AM

number 6, that was really informative. Thanks a lot. I think it's possible too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:20 AM

Is it unreasonable to also suspect that there are interests who may wish to lure the USA into a unpopular exploit to further alienate countries and groups against them?

Not unreasonable, but certainly superfluous. The U.S. is doing a fine job of this on its own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:17 AM

Considering China's *nd Russian's historic records on human rights and politics, I would hardly excuse them as "innocents" in this affair-as they clearly have recently added fuel to the fire in this country and region. History shows their "steadfastness" in backing their faviourites and helping the USA to make stupid and counter-productive moves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:26 AM

I'm sorry, Skarpi, but there are many, many people who don't mind if children are killed...and always have been.

IF someone other than Assad did that, I'd suspect the Mossad or Iran, trying to draw the West into military action. Iran would be more likely -- Israel does NOT need more trouble on its borders.

But...suppose Iran was working with their friend North Korea. With the attention and wrath of the world focused on the US, NK invades South Korea....


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:41 AM

"...below are just some of the atrocities the CIA has been responsible for in the past."

number 6-- Even IF the CIA promoted some stuff that they then lost control of (and the El Salvador & Angola stuff are good examples), I would not assume that its guidance & makeup is the same today as it was 35-50 years ago!
I could type for an hour explaining the logical flaws and fallacies in that type of speculation, but those who prefer to attribute almost ANY set of problems and tragedies to conspiracies by "them"...CIA, Bilderburgers, etc., will find some hypothesis to satisfy their need to feed paranoia. If Syrian 'whistleblowers' were to sneak out and admit that govt. forces gassed all those people, some would suspect the whistleblowers were paid BY the CIA. Once you get a good conspiracy scenario going, it takes only a little rewriting of the script to account for all new information... (good info or just other conspiracy theorists' invented info!)

I simply do not see any sane reason to speculate that the CIA, even **if** they wanted an excuse to mess about with the situation, would choose Sarin gas on civilians in hopes of spuring the USA or the UN to....do what? Start a war that would engulf most of the MIddle East?

Ever hear of Occam's Razor? It would be just as easy and more reasonable to just suspect that Assad's regime was seeing how much they could get away with- hoping that little would happen...........but...naaahhhh, much too boring to just blame those who HAD known supplies of gas and were desperate.

I, personally, have no inside information on exactly who did that horrible thing, nor am *I* competent to get the information and analyze all its implications--- but I AM competent to recognize bad arguments and careless speculation!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 11:47 AM

Here's a search page of sites....Don't know IF the CIA had anything to do with it, or if this is a 'cover story' or a 'trial balloon'...but my first hunch (in the other related thread)is looking better as time goes on....
Don't know if this is 'CYA' for the CIA..but I heard it on the radio, last night

I don't know of the reliability of these 'sources'..a couple are suspicious..but I just don't know....but here's the 'new' story.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 12:27 PM

I've posted some stuff about a years or so ago, that looks more and more related. You may recall my earlier post, in which I put forth, that two countries had to 'go' before the U.S. could get out of the 'agreement' that Kissinger made with the Saudis, back in 1979, under the Carter administration. Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Is it just coincidental that Syria threatened to attack both Israel AND Jordan, if the U.S. took military action against them(Syria)...and now we got this story? If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, I'll post some more on it...but bottom lining it is this: To get out of the 'deal' that Kissinger made with the Saudis, was they buy our Treasury bonds, and we buy their oil, and not drill here. I tend to think, that this has more to do with justifying the U.S. breaking that agreement with the Saudis, and let them being ripped off and just 'holding the bag', as we move forward with the Keystone pipeline...and come off, 'smelling like a rose'. To accomplish it, the whole of the Mideast has to be either 'hostile' to us, or in turmoil. Next part of the story to 'justify' the scam, is the weapons came from Saudi Arabia, as the alleged 19 terrorists, (out of 22)who took part in 911. I remember Bush's speeches about invading Iraq, AND ANY other country where they were, or who were supplied from....somehow, Saudi Arabia just seemed to 'slip through the cracks...repeatedly....but as I posted before,(and you can look it up), the Saudis would be the LAST on the list....and then, oh goody, we get our pipeline!!!
It was a scam from the beginning (a brilliant one, depending on your point of view)..and it's a scam now! That is not to say that the Saudi connection is true or not....but it sure adds 'acceptable momentum'!!!

As 'insane'(?) as ever,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 03:02 PM

"Whoever did it, I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to."

Unassailable logic to be sure. So you are saying that they only did what they needed to do? That they needed to machine gun protesters in the street and kill tens of thousands by dropping bombs and scuds on civilian neighborhoods?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,JotSC
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 03:55 PM

Of course the CIA lunched Sarin...it tasted great!
Every bad thing that happens in this world has the heavy hand of the CIA on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:29 PM

Jack the Sailor: ""Whoever did it, I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to."
Unassailable logic to be sure."

Right.

Besides, why would you use any chemicals or WMD's aren't machine guns and bombs, benevolent enough?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:36 PM

A yes, the CIA   ..... known in the last 10 years to outsource their torturing ... one country that the CIA rendered suspects to was Syria ... there was cooperation between the U.S. and Assad the ruthless dictator's Syria.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:54 PM

..or even the U.N. Security Council...keeping in mind that all five of them ARE the world's largest traders and suppliers of arms.

biLL, You ARE thinking!!!
..now hopefully those who are lost in political parroting, either side, (as if there is a difference) may catch what you've got, and it goes 'contagious' here in Mudcat-land!

Regards biLL!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:01 PM

"why would you use any chemicals or WMD's aren't machine guns and bombs, benevolent enough?"

Yes, but guns don't stir up the emotions of fear and anger like chemicals or WMD ... you need something dramatic to convince the people that they must go to war.

Over a hundred thousand people murdered by conventional [sic] weapons, more than 1 million people are now refugees and that was not enough to compel the western world of the brutality that is going on ... but over 100 people murdered by gas, that presents another picture.

But ... is it too late? You will now have to take on Iran over this. Iran, there had to be a good excuse to take on Iran. Now they have one. After all, there are no more rebels against Assad, The brutality (which parallels anything Assad's troops had previously done) of these now so called rebels is orchestrated by various extremists groups mainly out of Iran.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:45 PM

biLL, Right...Iraq and Iran were at war before we 'stepped in' and 'helped' Iraq...then Iran(Iran/Contra)..and not everyone in the world has such and immediate frame of reference, as those in the West...ie. US. I think that they are warring with the objective of RE-uniting, but under what form of 'law'...neither which, of course, takes in the wishes of their own people..(sorta like us, huh?). The bankster/globalist/ industrialists only give a shit about the oil/money/power/control..(money just being a tool).
I think before this is all over, Israel will probably have to take them all on!..even us, IF we aren't taken out of the way first!

So to once again quote Mr. Dylan...."Something is happening, but you don't know what it is...Do you, Mr. Jones?"

When I last 'signed off' on my last post to you, I signed of with 'Regards'.....I take that back.....





Highest Regards!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:47 PM

whoops ... "these now so called rebels is orchestrated by various extremists groups mainly out of the Iran." .. I meant out of the Saudi. .... Sunni extremists.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:54 PM

Whatever. More violence solves nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 05:57 PM

Oh..and my remarks about the 'benevolence' stuff was meant facetiously.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:11 PM

Suzy Sock Puppet: "Whatever. More violence solves nothing."

You might have missed this, or we cross posted...

GfS: "I think that they are warring with the objective of RE-uniting, but under what form of 'law'...neither which, of course, takes in the wishes of their own people..(sorta like us, huh?).

Much the same way they've got the imaginary 'right wing vs left wing' fighting each other...while getting us to disregard, that we are really just one!!!..it buys them time, and provides a smoke-screen!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:36 PM

♫"Absolutely, Mr. Gallagher?"
"Positively, Mr. Sheen!" ♫

Must be nice to know all the answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:58 PM

Naw..just the right questions!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 07:55 PM

Good one GfS !!

regarding the "'benevolence'" ... I thought it was meant to be meant facetious.

and the best regards to you GfS

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:09 PM

"well , my mistake ...misspell the word ...:) ..hahaha .."
Don't worry about it Skarpi - still chuckling trying to work out what was on the menu - 'bombe Glacée' maybe!
Jom Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:33 PM

Thank you, biLL.
It's rather refreshing that someone takes it right(as in correctly), than to be stupidly accused of being on the edge of the lunatic fringe....even though, I must admit, I do spend time there, now and again, taking pictures, talking to the wildlife, and being amused!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 10:26 PM

Whatever!
Fuck all these theories. The fact is and remains that if the US gets involved with miltary action, things cannot but get worse.

And if Obama really does go in, I'll take that as proof of what I've been saying: He's a ringer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:37 AM

He's a ringer?

Never seen him ring a peal in any of our local towers. Mind you, never noticed any black dude change ringing. ..

If that sounds silly and prosaic, it matches my thoughts when I saw the name of this thread. Nobody can work out the Middle East Co dependencies and national interests. It would be better for Western countries to have a dictatorship where the voting majority would welcome a religious state. See Egypt for details. ...

So there is a chance, believe it or not, that the reaction to the germ warfare might be a humanitarian concern. If somebody could tell me what Western leaders would gain by another theocracy in the area, then and only then would I stop laughing at the absurdity of the thrust of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 01:53 AM

It's about drilling our own oil, and the Keystone pipeline.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:31 AM

"Did CIA launch the Sarin missile in Syria?"

Nope, so far I can see no advantage to be gained by the USA of getting involved in Syria.

The difficulties involved with the CIA getting hold of a missile, or missiles, and then getting it/them (you would have to have at least one spare as a contingency) into a position surrounded by troops loyal to Bashar Al-Assad and firing it (Was it indeed just one missile or a number of them?) would be enormous and extremely risky - just think of the repercussions if they were caught. The attack would have to be launched from such a location in order to reduce the degree of deniability on the part of the pro-Assad camp.

" I very much doubt it was Assad's forces. They don't need to. They wouldn't want to, because it doesn't help them in any way, but hurts them. They are already winning their war anyway." - Little Hawk

So far there seems to be no decrease in the armed opposition to the Assad regime and all Syria has got to look forward to is a prolonged insurrection or an open civil war. There has been no signs in any let up in the finance and aid being provided to the "rebels". Left as it is this internal conflict could run on for decades, and at one point or other Russia will look for alternative horses to back, so it has to be resolved as far as Assad goes sooner rather than later.

I presume that at the end of this President Bashar al-Assad and his Alawite minority wish to remain in power, with the minimum amount of interference from neighbours within the region - so why would he use chemical weapons? Simple, he would use them, the same way that Saddam Hussein (Another Ba'athist Regime leader) did - to terrorise his people. They give up their armed struggle, and his neighbours are "cowed" into acceptance of the position inside Syria, or face possible Chemical weapons strikes by "international terrorists".

That is why there has to be some form of response.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:39 AM

For the information of anyone concerned, a "ringer" in racing terms is a dog or horse which is entered in a race to impersonate an animal of faster or slower speed.
The animal must look identical to the one to be impersonated, even down to the earmarks (political affiliation)

I think that Michael may be suggesting that Mr Obama is perhaps not what he tries to portray himself to be (liberal or democratic)?

All greyhound owners should be aware of the meaning of the word "ringer"......I have encountered several in these pages :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: number 6
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 06:53 AM

I happen to own a greyhound.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 06:55 AM

Teribus, you start talking common sense and you're going to mess up this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:09 AM

I'm sure YOU could spot a "ringer" at 100 paces Bill!


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 07:51 AM

I too have a greyhound. Never heard the term ringer applied to it. I am aware that entering into sport competitions under false pretences is a criminal offence if it is to unduly influence the outcome.

We got ours from a rescue centre where many of the criminal practices in the murky world of greyhound racing are displayed and potential owners of rescued greyhounds encouraged to support the ending of.

My reference to ringing was that my wife amongst many thousands is a ringer. Bell ringer, change ringer and often, wrongly, campanologist.

What the flying any of this has to do with rescuing greyhounds is beyond me? Other than giving money to support better welfare of racing dogs and lobbying my MP for better regulation, I don't equate CIA with giving a dog a nice retirement.

Could this be the next CIA conspiracy theory? ?? Or is there a bit of crude attempts yet again to ridicule some members of Mudcat.org?


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Subject: RE: BS: Did CIA lunch the Sarin missile in Syria
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 08:17 AM

Thanks Ake..It makes sense to me

GfS


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