BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing

Subject: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 06:30 PM

Seymour Hersch, two-time Pulitzer Prize winner for journalism. From an article in the Guardian:

He is angry about the timidity of journalists in America, their failure to challenge the White House and be an unpopular messenger of truth.

Don't even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends "so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would" – or the death of Osama bin Laden. "Nothing's been done about that story, it's one big lie, not one word of it is true," he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media

The helicopter carrying the SEAL team credited with doing the raid was blown up, too. More Obama murders?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 06:40 PM

umm-hmmm.. sure... right....

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: bobad
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 07:16 PM

He has a book coming out.....surprise, surprise!

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:08 PM

Oh yeah, bin Laden is alive and well and when he pops up into the news again, oh, how silly my government will look.

Not.

And it wasn't the Seals who got him, in the first place. Mr. Obama hired a helicopter and flew over there secretly all alone. The way I heard it, he had to rassle bin Laden to the ground but he got the job done. Just too modest to take the credit.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: kendall
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:21 PM

Always consider the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:28 PM

Osama bin Laden is actually living in a love nest in New Jersey with Sadam Hussein. I read that in a newspaper years ago as I was waiting int he check-out lane to buy groceries. He was also seen at a Burger King in Ann Arbor, Michigan talking with Elvis and Jimi Hendrix about doing a come-back as a trio.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:34 PM

Yes, and, of course, Obama kidnapped the Lindberg baby...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:43 PM

Hersh can spell his own name right. "Songwronger" won't even admit what his own name is.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 08:58 PM

If YOU were SW, Jack Campin, would YOU admit it? :)

(Songwronger was incorrect from the beginning: he was thinking of 'songwriter', thought it was 'songrighter' and thought he'd be clever. Missed by considerably more than a mile.)

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 09:04 PM

Like all wrong people, Eb, SW is confused...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 09:06 PM

Another valuable contribution to intellectual discourse here at Mudcat [NOT].

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 09:15 PM

Took that one quite awhile to hatch - it must somehow relate to the moon phases. Actually, what I heard was bin Laden is alive, made his way to the USA, and took a "bit part" on Duck Dynasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 10:08 PM

Let's have a show of hands, the people here who've won a Pulitzer Prize for journalism.

Hersch says the bin Laden raid/killing is 100% bullshit. I already know it is, but most people only followed the story in the government-controlled media, so they believe the narrative of the propaganda.

But, the Pakistanis who lived around the "bin Laden compound" said he never set foot there. The "American chopper" that lowered Seal Team Six into the compound actually lowered men who were shouting at each other in Pashto (Pakistani/Afghani), not English.

Obama needed a numbers bump just before the election, so he and his people made up a story about killing bin Laden. That was to be expected, since they're lying politicians, but the murder of American troops afterwards was a bit much, don't you think?

Obama's still covering up details of the helicopter crash that killed most of the team's members.

Just one more scandal for that murdering bastard.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 10:08 PM

Too late. Seth Meyers got the scoop at the White House Correspondents' dinner back in 2011 the night the raid on bin Laden occurred. Meyers said bin Laden was hosting a show on C-Span. YouTube

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 10:22 PM

Let's see a show of hands for those who think Hersch may be suffering from dementia. Or from a book publisher's mickey slipped in his drink to get him to do absurd things to pitch a book.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 10:40 PM

"...people here who've won a Pulitzer Prize for journalism."


"appeal to authority-You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true."

logical fallacies

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 11:01 PM

Another of Hersh's more recent bizarre allegations (he says with one hand up):
Hersh and the Knights of Malta

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 27 Sep 13 - 11:38 PM

Speaking of bizarreness, Obama recently said that raising the debt ceiling does not increase debt. That's like thought from beyond the tinfoil mountains. It's as if he's channeling the economics of anal probing lizard men. He is such a fucking nutcase. He's been walking around stark naked for years now while you sycophants praise his attire. You're crazier than he is.

So, what do you think of him faking the bin Laden raid and then refusing to investigate the deaths of the team that "got" the guy? Do you support Obama's murder and coverup? I'll take gibbering sarcasm as an affirmative.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 12:14 AM

I'm not much of a fantasy reader, although I did really enjoy the works of Tolkien.

Really, Songwronger, writing fantasy is something for which you have no talent whatsoever. Even the most far-out fantasy has to have some realistic elements. Your stuff is totally lacking.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 01:35 AM

From an article about Seymour Hersch's allegation that John F. Kennedy was already married, and not divorced, when he married Jacqui (for which, there was no evidence except Hersch's article), this criticism was leveled about that and about many of Hersch's "exposés:"

"Some have criticized Hersh's use of anonymous sources in his reporting, implying that some of these sources are unreliable or even made up. In a review of Hersh's book, Chain of Command, commentator Amir Taheri wrote, "As soon as he has made an assertion he cites a 'source' to back it. In every case this is either an un-named former official or an unidentified secret document passed to Hersh in unknown circumstances... By my count Hersh has anonymous 'sources' inside 30 foreign governments and virtually every department of the U.S. government."

Hersch may be a Pulitzer Prize winner, but many of his "exposés" are highly questionable.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 05:27 AM

Got it!

Hersh is Songwronger!!........or vice versa!!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 07:38 AM

Sad, really. Hersh (born in 1937) won his (sole) Pulitzer Prize for his 1970 reports on the My Lai massacre. That was over forty years ago.

From Wikipedia, which is at worth attention in this case (I've elided only the footnote numbers):

"Hersh's 1997 book about John F. Kennedy, The Dark Side of Camelot, made a number of controversial assertions about the former president, including that he had had a 'first marriage' to a woman named Durie Malcolm that was never terminated, that he had been a semi-regular narcotics user, that he had a close working relationship with mob boss Sam Giancana which supposedly included vote fraud in one or two crucial states in the 1960 presidential election. For many of these claims, Hersh relied only on hearsay collected decades after the event. In a Los Angeles Times review, Edward Jay Epstein cast doubt on these and other assertions, writing, 'this book turns out to be, alas, more about the deficiencies of investigative journalism than about the deficiencies of John F. Kennedy.'... Responding to the book, historian and former Kennedy aide Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. called Hersh 'the most gullible investigative reporter I've ever encountered.'"

Continuing,

"Some have criticized Hersh's use of anonymous sources in his reporting, implying that some of these sources are unreliable or even made up. In a review of Hersh's book, Chain of Command, commentator Amir Taheri wrote, 'As soon as he has made an assertion he cites a "source" to back it. In every case this is either an un-named former official or an unidentified secret document passed to Hersh in unknown circumstances... By my count Hersh has anonymous "sources" inside 30 foreign governments and virtually every department of the U.S. government.'"

Moreover,

"In March 2007 Hersh asserted in a piece in The New Yorker that the United States and Saudi governments were funding the terrorist organization Fatah al-Islam through aid to Lebanese Sunni Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.... Following the publishing of the story journalists in Beirut uncovered that Hersh put forth the claim without any reliable sources. Hersh had heard the unconfirmed story from Robert Fisk who had, in turn, heard the story from former British intelligence agent Alastair Crooke. Crooke had only heard it circulated as rumor and no one had fact checked the claims before Hersh ran the story... which prompted a variety of criticisms."

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 07:43 AM

One idiot posts and there's a dozen more behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 09:25 AM

And a guest post makes it a bakers dozen:)

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 02:24 PM

I understand Obama has faked Hersh's death too.   How could SW have missed this?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 12:03 AM

I read another of Hersch's articles a couple of days ago. Speaking as a former psychologist, most of the assertions in the article, including the one that ended up in SW's initial post, read like paranoid ravings with no backing evidence. It is very clear that he has now joined [if he hadn't before] the "It's all a plot" crowd.

But we know that SW was there before him.

Was you dere, Cholly?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 01:56 PM

I dont know I was not there, but why do so many Americans accept what the government says as truth?
why dismiss HERSCHS STORY , When in fact no one on this forum knows the truth, WHY TRY TO DISCREDIT HIM BECAUSE SOME OF HIS OTHER EXPOSES ARE IN CORRECT , THAT IS A PRE JUDGEMENT.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 02:04 PM

Gee, GSS, I had no idea the tinfoil hat fitted you so well. It's certainly true it sometimes seems to be the pinnacle of Mudcat fashion.

Some of us however are from Missouri (look it up).

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 02:24 PM

Years ago I admired and respected Seymour Hersch, considering him one of America's heroes. That ended quite some time ago, shortly after he published the first of many paranoid, cynical, bizarre claims and conclusions. I couldn't believe my eyes.

Assuming Hersch's story is true: Where is bin Laden? Wouldn't OBL just love to pop up - alive and well - in order to embarrass the President?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 02:51 PM

Why believe Hersh without very good evidence being presented especially if - "SOME OF HIS OTHER EXPOSES ARE INCORRECT, regardless if he used to write well and got a lot of publicity in his career (and got a few notable awards), or not? Just wondering?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 03:21 PM

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the demise of Osama bin Laden at the hands of Navy Seals did not occur exactly as reported. Despite the claims of conspiracy theory buffs who were not there at the time, and will believe anything if it has the possibility of making President Obama appear in a bad light.

And what with the GOP, the Tea Party, and pathological Obama haters like Songwronger, there is a LOT of that going around

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 07:18 PM

Damn, Firth. Try a TRIPLE negative. Maybe some of your gibberings will make sense then.

Revealed: Military emails show that NO U.S. sailors witnessed Osama bin Laden's burial at sea

Obama's bin Laden announcement reminded me of George W. Bush in his flight jacket saying, "Mission accomplished." Same bullshit, different recipe.

Finding proof that Obama killed bin Laden would be like finding proof that Obama went to Columbia:

PBS DOCUMENTARY PRODUCERS FIND NO EVIDENCE OBAMA ATTENDED COLUMBIA

Obama's a creation of the CIA. He's a fiction. He was put into office to advance the destruction of America, same as George W. Bush. Shame on any of you for believing anything they say.

And Hersch only won the 1 Pulitzer. I thought he was co-winner of another, but I guess not.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 08:08 PM

Songwronger, you're screwed up about grammar, too. The sentence is grammatically correct.

If there is a triple negative in my post above, it's the GOP, the Tea Party, and YOU.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 08:21 PM

By the way, Songwronger, you were aware, were you not, that it was Barack Obama, not John Wilkes Booth, who shot Abraham Lincoln.

The CIA, the Masons, and the International Jewish Conspiracy, aided and abetted by The Illuminati, planned the whole thing.

(Just wanted to make sure you knew.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 08:55 PM

Earth to Firth. Earth to Firth.

It's called willful denial, what you're experiencing. Try adjusting your mixture to get more oxygen and less methane.

PBS producers (that is, producers for the liberal propaganda network in America) could find no proof that Obama attended Columbia University. So they crafted their lying piece around that little glitch.

And no one saw bin Laden's body. Repeat, no one saw bin Laden's body. The government told you that it was dumped off a ship, but no one saw the body. The government also put out a photo of a "dead" bin Laden, but that was a composite photoshop job. It merged a live bin Laden with a dead Pakistani man.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 09:06 PM

Evidence?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: bobad
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 09:14 PM

We doan need no stinkin' evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 09:18 PM

Just wrap yourself in the flag and that makes everything OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 10:27 PM

snopes.com:

"Although Barack Obama may not have been particularly social or memorable during his years at Columbia, it isn't true that "no one ever came forward from Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc." Those who have attested to having daily personal experience with him during his time at that school include:

    Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press located and interviewed in May 2008.

    Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

    Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.

Likewise, other external evidence documents Barack Obama's presence at Columbia from 1981-83, including:

    An article by Barack Obama published in the 10 March 1983 edition of Columbia's Sundial school magazine.

    A January 2005 Columbia College Today profile of Barack Obama as a Columbia alumnus.

    A Columbia College press release from November 2008 identifying him as "the first College alumnus to be elected President of the United States."


Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp#pcpST0Cg5lhqIMdK.99"

You really should read more widely SWronger.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 Sep 13 - 11:08 PM

Snopes.com is a misinformation tool. And if it's so accurate, then why didn't the PBS producers use some of its "facts" in their documentary? PBS couldn't find evidence of Obama attending Columbia. Repeat. PBS couldn't find evidence of Obama attending Columbia.

Snopes.com, factcheck.org, urbanlegends.com. All bullshit, all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 12:35 AM

Perhaps you might post where PBS said anything of the sort?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Elmore
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 12:36 AM

Impressive. Our greatest president, and he didn't even go to college. And the biggest asshole ever to become a U.S. senator attended Princeton, and wouldn't even talk to someone who attended Columbia.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 12:42 AM

Never mind, SWronger- I found it. In the Daily Pen. hahahahahah

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 01:12 AM

Anything that disagrees with any of Songwronger's allegations is a "misinformation tool."

Ooooooh, yeah.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 03:39 AM

So, Songwronger, On the supposition that he wasn't killed, during the raid, do you think he was already dead?...or still alive??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 06:34 AM

Anyone here ever read "My Theory" by Ann Elk? The whole conspiracy, with a few others listed on Mudcat are listed in detail in that book.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 10:09 AM

SATIRE WARNING! MATURE ADULTS ONLY!


As can be seen by anybody with one eye and horse-sense, "Obama" and "Osama" are *nearly identical*! Coincidence? What are the chances that "two" such influential people with such similar and peculiar names would be making headlines on the world stage at the exactly the same point in our history? Has anyone ever seen the so-called "two men" together? Has anyone seen "Osama's" birth certificate?

I doubt it.

Because they are one and the same person. Fake beards are cheap.

All it would take to disprove my theory is for someone, anyone, to post a provably undoctored film clip of the "two" chatting together. At the White House, for example.

That would put many minds at ease.

Wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 10:49 AM

How does this theory account for George W Bush? He was the one who 'found' Osama. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 12:20 PM

Ebbie, you'll notice that just as Obama/Osama are the same, there are alleged to be no less than two Presidents named "George Bush" alive at the same time. Odd, and worthy of further investigation. They have supposedly been filmed together, but the images have not, so far as I know, been subject to computer enhancement.

With his fake beard and third-world Kenyan accent (suppressed when he plays "President of the United States"), Osama/Obama caught the attention of "George Bush" as the perfect fall guy for his Twin Towers caper. O/O had been planning a Presidential run as far back as 1997, when he "declared war" on the U.S. - one of the best ways to gain quick publicity in the Media-driven age, but also very dangerous.

O/O's notorious videos were filmed on a sound stage in Chicago, something the Bush administration never tumbled to, as O/O and his men were "hiding in plain sight." Bush's Iraq fiasco, engineered for their own purposes by the Illuminati, gave O/O just the opportunity he needed to "run for President" (i.e., seize power through electronic ballot fraud).

The rest is history.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 01:05 PM

""How does this theory account for George W Bush? He was the one who 'found' Osama.""

I had thought GW Bush "found" God?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 01:13 PM

"Speaking of bizarreness, Obama recently said that raising the debt ceiling does not increase debt. That's like thought from beyond the tinfoil mountains."

I reluctantly opened this thread, and noticed this. Songwronger, raising the debt ceiling in no ways increases debt. It just enables us to pay for what we've already committed to. Are you really one of those deadbeats who would attempt to balance his personal budget by not making a mortgage payment?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 02:56 PM

I went looking at Songwronger's posting history. To my surprise, he/you started out as a mild-mannered, kindly fellow- and a musician, to boot. Vat happent, Cholly?

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 03:45 PM

An interesting Ted presentation by Michael Shermer:
Why people believe weird things

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:39 AM

Lighter
With command of the inner workings of conspiracy theory,
You and I must begin an illustrated blog at wonce.
you can be in charge of spelling.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 01:08 AM

Lighter
With your command of the inner workings of conspiracy theory,
You and I must begin an illustrated blog at wonce.
you can be in charge of spelling, research and web master.
We can take on the Bilgeburgers, the Cock Bros., why tin foil no longer works, Acorn's secret abortion to food snack industry and other secret need to know basis only stories.

When the page is opened I can hear our theme song now...

" expo-say can you see.. any conspiracy.
how the n***** and Ho's take away our country
and the Rockettes red glare
with the stars in their hair
gave flu to the knights
who say NI and don't care
oh say can Obama care get funded
and will our government stay shut down...
For Ayn Rand's conspiracy
and the gnome of the rave.




jeeze its late, g'nite.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 02:32 AM

Ron Davies, talking of caps,hows the Dunce cap.
mean while I will keep an open mind

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 10:06 PM

QED

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 10:18 PM

We will patiently await your evidence, GSS.   Don't worry, we realize it may be a long wait.



And don't feel bad, we also realize some Mudcatters greedily lap up any conspiracy theory put in front of them.

Which of course allows said Mudcatters to "unwillingly represent/ A source of innocent merriment" to those of us who think.

And for that, I assure you, we are duly grateful.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 10:56 PM

I've got a little list . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 07:01 AM

Whether Osama bin Laden died in 2001 as Benazir Bhutto believed of whether he died in 2011 doesn't matter - taking Hersch's story at face value Barack Obama announcing that Osama bin Laden had been killed forced Al-Qaeda into announcing to the world that Osama bin Laden WAS DEAD, after all irrespective of when he died they could not produce him in the flesh as it were, which would be the only way they could refute the claim that he had been killed - a video or audio recording would simply not cut the mustard.

A good non-story way of course of promoting a book.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 08:04 AM

Of course the public spokesmen of al-Q played along. If he's not really dead, he can be deep underground in a luxury superscience lab funded by SPECTRE, pulling the levers behind the scenes and beyond all suspicion.

(At least when he's not in the White House.)

SPECTRE is funded by the very tax dollars that supposedly go to socialistic health-care tyranny in Europe and elsewhere. It's very complicated, but researchers are constantly working to expose the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 06:48 PM

"socialistic health-care tyranny ". You lost me right about there.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,conspiracy.com
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 06:20 AM

Phil Spectre? You say they let him out to kill binny? Good theory, but it was more likely Robert Blake.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 09:46 AM

You won't hear it from the elite media, but "Obamacare" clearly means "health care for Obama." That's where your tax dollars are really going.

Except for the part skimmed by SPECTRE.

As I say, it's very complicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 10:19 AM

I believe they never found Adolph Hitlers body. Must prove he is alive and well and, probably, living in Casablanca. :-)

Wasn't SPECTRE put to rest by James Bond? Or is someone going to tell me that was made up too!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Get Smart
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 10:27 AM

SPECTRE grew out of KAOS on Get Smart and was battled by CONTROL, not James Bond. Get Smart DTG:)

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 11:12 AM

Predictably, more disinformation.

The chilling reality that is SPECTRE was first disclosed by Ian Fleming in "Thunderball" (1961). That's the book, not the movie.

At the height of his acclaim, former British Naval Intelligence operative Fleming was found dead of a reported "heart attack."

He was 54.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 12:55 PM

"Fleming was a heavy smoker and drinker who suffered from heart disease; he died in 1964, aged 56, from a heart attack." Wiki

Yep. Really suspicious death.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 03:05 PM

Oh, c'mon Ebbie, why spoil a good conspiracy theory with boring old facts?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 03:20 PM

Did any naval folks testify that they saw flemming dead- if not,he may "still be among us". Old "Flem" stories stuff me up"

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 03:42 PM

If you're saying that the spy's widely publicized death was simply a form of "deep cover," you'll get no argument from me. Similarly, there were reports, never officially confirmed or specifically denied, that JFK survived the "assassination" too disfigured to be seen by the public but nevertheless guiding much of America's disastrous Vietnam policy.

In any case, the young President, who had frequently stated his admiration for Fleming's books, was soon removed from the scene.

Fleming's death certificate appears to be genuine, but it has not been subject to full scientific and forensic scrutiny.

Which, if properly done with advanced conspiracy-theory techniques, would almost certainly tend to call it into question.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 07:01 PM

OK. Once more.

No one saw bin Laden's body. The only way his death can be proven is to produce the corpse. No one can. And there are no photos of it. And no eyewitnesses.

Claims of Hersch making his claim in order to sell books. Possible.

Claims of Obama making his claim in order to win an election. Probable.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 07:03 PM

"Advanced Conspiracy Theories"? You mean that we are only at Conspiracy Theories 101?

Darn.

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 07:35 PM

You need to use the heavy duty tin foil, wrongman...

BTW, given the situation in the world it would not have been smart to release the photos of bin Laden, would it???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hersch sez Obama faked bin Laden killing
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 08:51 PM

Osama bin Laden was buried at sea because they did not want his burial site to become some sort of shrine—which it would have become had his burial site been known.

There was a damned good reason for the way they handled it, and that's IT. Nothing to do with any kind of cover-up.

(Actually, the REAL reason was to give Songwronger something to fasten on and keep him off the streets.)

Don Firth