BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?

Subject: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:05 PM

Yesterday, Obama denied he ever promised that Americans could keep their health care. He said, "What we said was you could keep it if it hasn't changed since the law was passed." A story about that can be found at the link below:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/05/obama-denies-you-can-keep-it-videotaped-promises/

But at the next link you can see Obama promise 24 times in a minute and a half that, "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan." No qualifications. A straight-up promise:

http://www.1800politics.com/one-lie-another-obama-promising-can-keep-existing-healthcare-plan/

So, now Obama is lying about his lies. And so publicly. This must necessarily prompt one to ask if the man is insane.

The question has been debated for some time now.

Is Obama Insane? Patterns of Evidence

Obama displays the following behaviors, which are among the hallmarks of pathological narcissism:
(1) Subtly misrepresents facts and expediently and opportunistically shifts positions, views, opinions, and "ideals".
(2) Ignores data that conflict with his fantasy world, or with his inflated and grandiose self-image.
(3) Feels that he is above the law, incl. and especially his own laws.
(4) Talks about himself in the 3rd person singular or uses the regal "we" and craves to be the exclusive center of attention, even adulation.
(5) Has a messianic-cosmic vision of himself and his life and his "mission".
(6) Sets ever more complex rules in a convoluted world of grandiose fantasies with its own language (jargon).
(7) Displays false modesty and unctuous "folksiness" but unable to sustain these behaviors (the persona, or mask) for long. It slips and the true Obama is revealed: haughty, aloof, distant, and disdainful of simple folk and their lives.
(8) Sublimates aggression and holds grudges.
(9) Behaves as an eternal adolescent, in his choice of language, youthful image he projects, demands indulgence and feels entitled to special treatment, even though his objective accomplishments do not justify it).

If Obama is insane, then he should be removed from the presidency. Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says, "Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

So, is Obama unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office? Has insanity bested him? Is it time for for Vice President Biden and the others to step up and declare him unfit to hold the office?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:19 PM

More from the Mudcat Grand Wizard...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:29 PM

If only your daddy had been unable to discharge, Wrongass.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:39 PM

Songwronger's mother wishes she could make birth control retroactive.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:55 PM

Ah, Songwronger, you never cease to entertain...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:15 PM

What'd I do? Just asking a question.

7 billion people on the planet can SEE AND HEAR him lying, but he's not able to see and hear it himself?

Can you imagine, in a sanity hearing, showing that clip to Obama? 24 times he says the same thing, then they shut off the video and he says, "That's not what I said."

You can't even claim he's lying "for political purposes." Saying you didn't say what you were recorded saying over and over and over and over is just...nuts. I mean, I knew he was narcissistic, but this... Holy shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:19 PM

Yep, it's enough to make one riot. Oh, wait. That was a FOOD stamp riot. It is so difficult to keep up.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:31 PM

You're late Songwronger...Fox News has been trumpeting this for a week....however..

He's **NOT** lying... he just simply didn't qualify his assertions completely. He indeed should have clarified that some policies and health plans would not qualify under the new law because they were flawed! Almost everyone can get either a better plan or subsidies now.
Wait a year and see. We'll be sure to remind you..

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:36 PM

lol

He sold Obamacare with, "You like your insurance, you keep your insurance." Saying that once without qualification would be excusable. But hundreds of times over the past 3-4 years? Come on. Don't be dishonest with yourself. He lied. All that remains to determine now is whether he believes the NEW lie, the one where he says he never said what he did.

If be believes that's not him in the videos, then he can't be trusted with the nuclear arsenal.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Janie
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:50 PM

Songwronger, you are a fisherman extraordinaire. I tip my hat to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 09:54 PM

Of COURSE he can discharge! Not only is he Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces, he has two daughters.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 10:29 PM

No, that would be emissions. As in nocturnal emissions. I'm talking about lies of omission. Which he committed. Big time. Talked 100+ million Americans out of their health insurance by not telling "the rest of the story."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 10:54 PM

Is Obama unable to discharge?

Is this some sort of medical problem?

America wants to know.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 11:05 PM

"Redickle-dockle!"
         --Pogo Possum

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 02:25 AM

I don't think so. It's not in here.

dis·charge
verb \dis-ˈchärj, ˈdis-ˌ\

: to allow (someone) to leave a hospital, prison, etc.

: to take away the job of (someone) : to end the employment of (someone)

: to end the service of (someone) in a formal or official way : to release (someone) from duty
Full Definition of DISCHARGE
transitive verb
1
: to relieve of a charge, load, or burden:
a : unload
b : to release from an obligation
c : to release electrical energy from (as a battery or capacitor) by a discharge
2
a : to let or put off
b : shoot
c : to release from confinement, custody, or care
d : to give outlet or vent to : emit
3
a (1) : to dismiss from employment (2) : to release from service or duty
b : to get rid of (as a debt or obligation) by performing an appropriate action (as payment)
c : to set aside : annul
d : to order (a legislative committee) to end consideration of a bill in order to bring it before the house for action
4
: to bear and distribute (as the weight of a wall above an opening)
5
: to bleach out or remove (color or dye) in dyeing and printing textiles
6
: to cancel the record of the loan of (a library book) upon return
intransitive verb
1
a : to throw off or deliver a load, charge, or burden
b : to release electrical energy by a discharge
2
a : go off, fire —used of a gun
b : spread, run
c : to pour forth fluid or other contents
— dis·charge·able adjective
— dis·charg·ee noun
— dis·charg·er noun
See discharge defined for English-language learners »
See discharge defined for kids »
Examples of DISCHARGE

    She's due to be discharged from the hospital on Wednesday.
    We had to discharge several employees last week.
    Thousands of soldiers were discharged after the war.
    The judge discharged the jury.
    The ship discharged missiles against enemy targets.
    The gun failed to discharge.

Origin of DISCHARGE
Middle English, from Anglo-French descharger, from Late Latin discarricare, from Latin dis- + Late Latin carricare to load — more at charge
First Known Use: 14th century

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 12:13 PM

Of course, anybody with a recorder could extract that phrase several hundred times and make a compilation in which only that is heard.

I wonder what the genuine "in context" recordings would sound like?

I could easily do the same in print for our tinfoil hero, chosing carefully to make him sound like a raving lunatic......Oh No! I couldn't, he's beaten me to it!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 12:55 PM

Songwronger went in for a much needed brain transplant. The operation in all its technical details worked well, all the nerve connections, everything. The team of surgeons were very optimistic about the outcome and considered this a neurological breakthrough and a medical tour de force.

And then the new brain rejected Songwronger!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 01:16 PM

That's a sad story, Don. I hope Wronger can find another donor chimp before it's too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 01:22 PM

As I previously commented on another thread topic dealing with the same issue, "several of us watched with interest the news coverage of HSS Secretary Sebelius being questioned on Capital Hill. And almost every point that I and others have brought up about misstatements and the debacle was brought up and acknowledged by the Secretary. As I understand it, the hearing is Chaired by a Democrat. Your assertion and assaults by others here toward myself is absolute and utter nonsense. If you don't believe me, then turn on your news!"

That being posted, I think Songwronger may have chosen a better word to use than 'discharge', but his point is well made.

Why all the assaults on him? History is being played out at this moment confirming his comments on the health bill, and resulted hearings. Turn on your televisions and see for yourselves.

The Secretary has admitted that their were misstatements, the Democrats at the hearing have admitted it. What is the insistence on being so thick?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 01:44 PM

Yahoo News non biased open to all. Read the comments and note likes and dislikes

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 02:57 PM

More from the Mudcat Grand Wizard...

... and all this time I thought it was the "Grand Lizard." ?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 03:29 PM

If I ever need a brain transplant I want Songwronger's brain because........It's never been used.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 07:55 PM

I have had my insurance for years. It works, and I'm happy with it. So, if I was about to lose it, wouldn't I have heard by now?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:06 PM

From today's USA Today:

Obama health lie freaks Dems

Many of the president's supporters are in barely concealed panic over the fact that he didn't tell the truth when he was selling the Affordable Care Act.

In an oft-repeated vow, he told the country that "if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

This was, by any common-sense measure, a lie...

This simple fact of logic is causing many liberals to flee for what they believe are rhetorical safe harbors.

The first refuge is that he was simply being "unclear." The "White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument," writesThe Washington Post's Greg Sargent. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says, "I think we should have been more precise." The New York Times'Editorial Board says, "Obama clearly misspoke when he said that."

In most dictionaries, misspeaking is defined as a slip of the tongue. Is it really misspeaking when the president repeats a poll-tested pledge dozens of times, often reading from prepared remarks on his teleprompter, straight into the camera? Is it really a slip of the tongue when the White House puts out videos and talking points centered on this false claim?

Obama wasn't telling the truth unclearly; he was telling a falsehood very clearly. When he said "no matter what," it even left the impression that, if in some unforeseen way the law did cause people to lose their plan, he would remedy the situation. (If that were so, the White House would support congressional efforts to let people keep their plans.) The "period" in "you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period" means no ifs ands or buts. Now we are getting a barrage of "buts."

...It's good that liberal supporters of the law admit that what the president said wasn't true, even if they can't bring themselves to call the president a liar. But they might want to think a bit about the standard they are establishing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/05/obama-health-care-lie-obamacare-column/3442423/

And then there's this radio interview, out today. One of Obama's classmates from Hawaii talks about his pathological lying:

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/11/just-released-interview-childhood-friend-classmate-of-barack-obama-speaks-out-video-24574

It may be tempting to brush the woman off as not credible, but bear in mind that Obama just LIED A HUNDRED MILLION AMERICANS OUT OF THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS. Then consider your notions of credibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:12 PM

There's no telling if you'll be able to keep your plan. Team Obama changed the "grandfather clause" aspect of Obamacare after the law was passed. Whatever you were promised beforehand isn't necessarily so now.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:28 PM

Well, when he is finally able to discharge, I hope he uses a hanky....

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:30 PM

What if we were promised Medicare? Is that Kenyan Communist Fascist Arab Muslim Irishman going to take away our Medicare? Hell, most of us who have time to waste responding to the b.s. that you spew are on Medicare. By the way, could you help me get Concert Window up? I want to watch the throat singers from Tuva tomorrow night and this damned laptop has crashed, so I was seeking for further amusement and turned you on, but you turn me off.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:33 PM

Not you, Joe, Directed to SW.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 08:56 PM

Never mind, SW. It's not my damn laptop , it's CW. Thanks for your concern sweetie.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Elmore
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 09:36 PM

Songwronger: CW still down. Returned to this thread and discovered that your latest source from USA Today was from a column written by Jonah Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg? Have you no sense of decency sir? 4 posts in one evening. I feel like Bearded Bruce. Any idea what happened to BB?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Van
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 05:20 PM

"7 billion people across the planet" care about Obama's healthcare plans for america. I doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 08:30 PM

No, I said 7 billion can see and hear him. Not that they'd especially care. But the lies are so...OUT THERE. For everyone to see. He was caught dozens of times on video saying, "You like it, you keep it." He even added "period" a few times. Taped. Filmed. Videoed. Captured. Any person on the planet who cares to can WATCH him saying that, and now he says he didn't say it.

Maybe he doesn't remember. They say crack cocaine can cause memory problems, so maybe he honestly doesn't recall the hundreds of times he promised people they can keep their insurance.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 09:20 PM

"Any idea what happened to BB? "

He lives near us... He had some surgery, and also has a family member with some health issues to deal with. He is, I understand, doing 'ok', but has more to do than post here. I suppose he'll be back at some point.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 09:33 PM

" He was caught dozens of times on video saying, "You like it, you keep it."

And he has been ' ..caught dozens of times on video' explaining the mis-statement and clarifying what the actual situation is. Did you miss that?

But you wouldn't care about that when your only purpose is to throw mud and demand that everyone bow to YOUR definition/interpretation of what a 'lie' really is. Fact is, **lying** is generally a matter of guesswork & interpretation... especially in politics.
Did Bush really *lie* about his reasons for invading Iraq? Or was he just careless and deluding himself? I have my opinion... but I don't read minds.... and neither do you!

As I said... wait a couple of years and we shall see how those poor folk who are losing their flawed health insurance are doing with their NEW plans. I'll bet you a $ the failure to phrase his words will be a minor footnote.


Now, back our regularly scheduled rant......

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 10:03 PM

I'm watching today's interview with Chuck Todd right now as Obama explains and apologizes for the confusion.... have YOU bothered?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 11:23 PM

A politician...saying something that is later determined not to be 150% accurate...never happened before in the history of the world, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 01:04 PM

He did not apologise for lying or misstating, he apologised that people were confused.
His promises were quite clear.

That is not an apology.
That is not taking responsibility for misleading statements.

He is blaming people who believed and acted on his statements.

I am not bashing Obama, just stating the obvious

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 02:05 PM

""I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," the president said in a Thursday interview with NBC News"

Sounds like taking basic responsibility to ME!

Those who simply want to find something to accuse him of will continue to spin the language to define his 'inaccurate' remarks as lying.
'Lying' is a right-wing talking point meant to short-circuit real analysis, and has little bearing on Obama's concerns for getting sane, affordable care to as many people as possible as soon and as easily as possible.

Go on Songwronger & Nobody... parrot the party line. You have seen you won't be convincing many here.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 02:31 PM

Good little Ayn Rand Libertarian's kowtowing to the party line.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 06:36 PM

He didn't apologize. He called Americans a bunch of dumb fucks for not interpretting his lies correctly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-nb4dKXA2o&feature=player_embedded

That's the Obamanoid hallucination of the Big Lie. So funny. One of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Estimates are now ranging up to 128 million Americans who will be screwed out of health care by Obama and his fascist colleagues. Below is a story about one man. He has cancer. His health insurance was $150 per month. His new Obamacare plan will be ten times that (plus over 13k per year out of pocket), so he's going to forego the insurance. Death certificate will read "Death by Obama":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DBeUSPaPyqc

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 07:12 PM

Obsessive crap! I usually try to answer this nonsense with direct, cogent information, but SW can spew faster than I can reply.

I think I will just let him babble into wind, like a demented soul on a street corner shouting at the traffic.

(I wonder if he DOES write scripts for Louie Gohmert?)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 08:28 PM

You people are being driven nuts by this, aren't you? Obama the boldfaced liar, obama the killer, the megalomaniac.

Monday I'll call my U.S. Representative. Probably get hold of an intern. I'll tell her that Obama committed a high crime and/or a misdemeanor when he lied not just to the American people, but to CONGRESS about the "you like it, you keep it" stuff. And since he lied to congress, he needs to be impeached. As per the constitution. I'll ask my congressman (person to person if he's there) to initiate impeachment proceedings.

Lots of Democrats are distancing themselves from Obama now, so even they might vote to oust him. Nixon resigned for telling a lie about a break-in; Obama's Big Lie leads to mass deaths through cancellation of health coverage, but he won't resign?

Look at the Democrats for Truth clip of Obama's "corrected" statements. Hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 09:51 PM

Wronger, does it occur to to you to think that just maybe the insurance companies are the ones you might want to pursue?

I suspect that the companies are trying to force out the Affordable Care Act. Or plan on making bundles of money while they can. It will be most interesting down the road a ways.

And in case anyone should ask: I DO NOT FOR ONE MOMENT BELIEVE THAT NOBODY IN PARTICULAR LIVES ANYWHERE BUT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Furthermore, I think we already know who he is. He is not worth responding to and if I ever do, again, it will be inadvertently.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 10:50 PM

Well, Obama told the insurance companies that ALL Americans would be FORCED to buy health insurance. The companies saw tens of millions of new policies coming their way and backed Obamacare wholeheartedly. But then Obama announced there would be a way out of insurance coverage--the "tax" in lieu of insurance. Now the insurance companies will gouge the buyers in any way they can in order to minimize losses.

But all of that aside, Obama lied when he said, "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan. Period." He knew that was a lie each time he said it over the past 3 and a half years.

Then earlier this week he said, "What I should've said..."

Then today he said he was sorry that we're too stupid to interpret his lies.

He is a liar. And this lie, the Big One, will lead to agonizing deaths of no telling how many American citizens. View the cancer patient clip above.

You could be next to lose your insurance. 128 million Americans will have to "make changes" as they upgrade to "better coverage" because Obama lied. Just because you folks haven't received your cancellation notices yet...

Obama needs to go. This one was a lie too far.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 10:52 PM

I am residing here now. I usually only reside at one place at a time, don't you? However when our business in the States is concluded, we will be returning.

But what I've witnessed on this site however. shall be shown by us to our friends.They would hardly believe it unless they read it for themselves.

At least you have given us an indication of where America is finding all their drones.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 03:29 AM

Right.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama Unable to Discharge?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 10:45 AM

Wronger, does it occur to you to think

Hasn't occurred to he/she/it to date, Ebbie, from which it is reasonable to conclude that he/she/it is incapable of thought.