BS: Caliphate

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:10 AM

Indeed.
There are other threads for other events, but this thread has to be hijacked to attack Israel too.
Such obsession suggests irrational phobia.

"genocide" (Independent)
Who cares?
Burning truly ancient churches.
Who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:16 AM

Discussing Israelis slaughtering Muslim civilians an "obsession"?
Maybe to sick obsessive who openly support such things - not to normal people who consider fragment bombs used on non- combatants obscenity.
Thread drift rides again, as it always does when our resident hate-merchant finds himself in a hole
"It is emigration."
WHAT!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:00 AM

"Islamists may be planning imminent attack in Norway: police
Reuters
2 hours ago

OSLO (Reuters) - Militant Islamists with ties to Syria may be planning an attack in Norway, the head of the Norwegian police intelligence service said on Thursday.

"We also have information to suggest that any act of terrorism against Norway may take place shortly, probably within a few days," said Benedicte Bjoernland, the director of the Police Security Service, declining to reveal the source of information. "The people (named in the threat) participated in the fighting in Syria."

NATO-member Norway has been working to clamp down on militant activity, and in May it arrested three people suspected of aiding The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, an al Qaeda offshoot fighting in Syria.

Also in May, the spy chief of neighboring Sweden said the country's biggest security threat came from around 200 Islamists who could become involved in militant attacks, including young people radicalized after fighting in Syria. A botched suicide bomb attack four years ago in Stockholm and the conviction in 2012 of three Swedes for plotting to kill people at a Danish newspaper after it published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in 2005 have shown the Nordic countries are not immune to attacks.'


http://news.yahoo.com/islamist-militant-group-may-planning-attack-norway-police-085935292.html

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:06 AM

Jimmy boy,

"not to normal people who consider fragment bombs used on non- combatants obscenity. "


So you have defined yourself as other than normal- YOU have supported Hamas using those bombs, as long as they ( sort of) aim them at ISRAELI civilians.


So far, Hamas has killed Palestinian civilians and Bedouins living in Israel with those rockets,


BUT YOU MAKE NO COMMENT AT ALL SINCE YOU CAN'T BLAME THOSE DEATHS ON ISRAEL.


That is part of the DEFINITION of Anti-Semitism as defined by the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:18 AM

"So you have defined yourself as other than normal- YOU have supported Hamas using those bombs, as long as they ( sort of) aim them at ISRAELI civilians."
You are lying Brucie - always a sign that you are in a corner
Feel free to produce of ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR OWN CROWD BOMBING CIVILIANS - LET ALONE USING ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENT SHELLS
We can't stop you lying anymore than we can stop you calling those who oppose Israeli terrorism, "Antisemites - nor would we want to, as far as I'm concerned.
Your doing so is a clear indication of the type of fascist-supporting ratbags you really are
Fell free to either keep up the good work or humiliate us by producing evidence of your lying claims - won't hold my breath
Have a good day - d'you hear - plenty of entertainment on the television at present now the death toll has topped 700
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 10:28 AM

Jimmy boy,

"You are lying Brucie - always a sign that you are in a corner
Feel free to produce of ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR OWN CROWD BOMBING CIVILIANS - LET ALONE USING ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENT SHELLS
"

YOU are the lie- as usual. The ROCKETS that Hamas has admitted firing at Israeli civilians, have been seen being launched from hospital yards, schools, and apartment blocks, and found in UN schools ARE ALL ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENTATION WARHEADS.

Your failure to understand that is proof that you have no interest in the truth or in reducing civilian casualties- YOU have NEVER said that Hamas should stop firing them.

YOU, Jim Carroll, have shown yourself to be an Anti-Semite by the EU definition.





Point proven, you have been humiliated.

Not that that will stop your bigotry and encouragement of civilian casualties.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

to repeat:

Hamas rockets ARE ANTI_PERSONNEL WARHEADS.

Hamas rockets fall in Gaza and kill Palestinians with their ANTI-PERSONNEL WARHEADS.


Jim Carroll is a liar and has the blood of Palestinian civilians on his hands for his support, by repeatedly lying about facts in order to excuse Hamas war crimes.


"A Palestinian Arab girl was killed and three others wounded in Gaza after a rocket fired at Israel by terrorists in the Hamas-enclave fell short, landing in Gaza itself.

The rocket was the third of four fired within an hour from Gaza. The Iron Dome anti-missile defense system shot down the first two, which were launched within minutes of each other, and the fourth hit a town in the Sedot Negev Regional Council, causing no damage.

Hamas medical sources say the fatality is a three-year-old girl.

Over 20 rockets have been fired at Israel since Operation Brother's Keeper began two weeks ago to rescue the three Israeli teens kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, with the IDF noting that over 200 rockets have been fired from Gaza since the start of the year.

Another failed missile was recorded last Friday. After Iron Dome shot down a rocket earlier in the day, another terrorist rocket was fired but fell short of its mark, landing in Gaza. No damage was reported in the incident.

In addition to the four rockets on Tuesday, Arab media sources reported mortar fire being launched from Gaza towards the Erez Border Crossing. IDF sources said the incident is being investigated; no damage or injuries were reported."


Note that Hamas NEVER admits that ANY of their rockets hit Gaza, even when observed to do so. NOT ONE PALESTINIAN CASUALTY ADMITTED- They blame them all on Israel even when there had been NO Israeli attack at that time or place.

And Jim Carroll repeat these lies, in support of a declared terrorist organization that has stated it's goal is to KILL JEWS.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 11:53 AM

Propaganda from Juicy Brucie's friends - note that even here the disparity in arms is self-evident.

http://beyondthecusp.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/hamas-rockets-and-israeli-munitions/

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 12:45 PM

Israeli militants under the command of Netanyahu have bombed a UN run school, used as a shelter. It is the fourth time, according to The BBC that UN facilities have been bombed.

725 Palestinians have now been killed, and 30 Israelis.

If braidedbeardedbruce wants to waffle on about killing Jews, not a single Jew nor Arab has been killed.

Just 755 humans.

You see, it doesn't matter which imaginary friend you have when you are alive, there isn't one for when you are dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:07 PM

U.N. School casualties announced as 15 dead, dozens injured
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:16 PM

Palestinian HAMAS officials claim that it was Israeli tank shells-


— Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a U.N. school in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens who were seeking shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside, Palestinian officials said, as Israel pressed forward with its 17-day war against the territory's Hamas rulers.

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Gaza fighting rages amid cease-fire efforts Associated Press

Pools of blood stained the school courtyard in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, amid scattered books and belongings. There was a large scorch mark in the courtyard marking the place where one of the tank shells hit. Dozens of people, including children were wheeled into a nearby hospital as sirens wailed."

This sounds a LOT like an Hamas rocket, and NOTHING like a tank shell of any kind.



"The Israeli military said it was reviewing the incident, saying that rockets launched by Hamas had landed in the Beit Hanoun area during fighting with its forces, and that those rockets may be responsible for the deaths."

Amazing how a tank shell that puts holes in concrete just leaves a black mark in an undamaged courtyard, like those Hamas rocket ANTI_PERSONNEL Warheads do.


But of course we HAVE to believe Hamas, and CANNOT believe Israel NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE.


What a bunch of shit-for-brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:43 PM

And MORE from Musket and Jimmy's friends in Iraq…I wonder if they are getting paid, or just support ISIS for the fun of it.


Geneva (AFP) - Jihadists in Iraq have ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 must undergo female genital mutilation, which could affect up to four million women and girls in the war-ravaged country, a UN official said Thursday.

The UN's second most senior official in Iraq, Jacqueline Badcock, said, "It is a fatwa (or religious edict) from ISIS, we learnt about it this morning. We have no precise numbers."

The Islamic State, formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), took over large swathes of the country last month and has begun imposing its extreme Salafist interpretation of Islam.

Badcock said that if you took UN population figures as a guide, around "four million girls and women could be affected".

Female genital mutilation is unusual in Iraq and is only practised in "certain isolated pockets of the country", she added.

She said only 20 families from the ancient Christian minority now remain in Mosul, the northern Iraq city which ISIS has taken as the capital of its Islamic state. Most have reportedly fled north into Kurdish-controlled territory.

Badcock said some Christians have converted to Islam, while others have opted to stay and pay the jiyza, the tax on non-Muslim's ISIS has imposed.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:46 PM

"The Israeli military said it was reviewing the incident,"
And about to find themselves not guilty as they have after every other massacre they have taken part in.
Who knows they may make the feller who did the killing prime minister, like they did the one responsible for the Sabra/Shatila massacre - watch your back Netanyahu - there's somebody after your job.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:55 PM

Jimmy boy,

SHOW ME ONE CASE WHERE HAMAS HAS ADMITTED THAT THEIR OWN ROCKETS HAVE KILLED PALESTINIANS. THERE IS DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that they HAVE misfired, and hit populated areas of Gaza, yet NEVER has Hamas admitted it., Nor have YOU.


You seem to think their coverup is just fine- another example that proves YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE according to the EU definition.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:58 PM

Jimmy is just fine with DEAD PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS, so long as he gets to try to blame Israel for them.

When SOMEONE ELSE Kills Palestinian civilians, or other Arab Muslims, he is so quiet. I guess he does not want to upset his friends in Hamas and ISIS.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:59 PM

Beardedbruce.

You are supporting terrorists. Stop saying decent respectable members of the human race such as Jim and I do.

We don't. We are humans with a conscience. You are the one exhibiting personality disorder here and it ain't pretty.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:15 PM

Musket,

To the contrary. YOU and Jimmy are the ones who support war crimes and the murder of innocent Palestinians civilians by Hamas. You are hardly decent or respectable members of the human race- You fail two present any facts to support your opinions, and attack those who disagree with you rather than present facts to show where they may be wrong. THAT makes you scum.

"We don't. We are humans with a conscience. "

More lies- YOU have shown no conscience or humanity, just support for attacks on innocent civilians, both Israeli and Palestinian, by Hamas.

You are the one exhibiting personality disorder here and it ain't pretty.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:18 PM

Ah, BullshitBruce is off his meds again.......

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:22 PM

GregF,

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie, and got caught at it. Do you think you might stop having your friends try being as much of a scum-sucking asshole as you have been?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:37 PM

"YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie"
No Brucie - you have called everybody who thinks the people who have just bombarded a school full of refugees murdering bastards, supporters of Hamas or Antisemites or liars or naive - now, but your money were your moth has been and defend your owqn support for terrorism rather than name calling and skulking behind the Jewish dead
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:08 PM

There is a current thread for Israel already.
Why must you use this one too.
The Caliphate has announced compulsory FGM.
Who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:05 PM

From BBC:

Doubts grow over Isis 'FGM edict' in Iraq 

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:17 PM

I doubt that the Sunni fundys known as ISIL, ISIS, or IS, have a statutory position mandating FGM. FGM is not Islamic, it's cultural, happens to be cultural in Islamic countries mainly.
there are plenty of real horrors to accuse IS for, FGM probably not one of them.
If you don't care, then don't drag in extraneous untruths (Just the straneous one).

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:47 PM

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie

Please specify and document your accusation , or is it simply more of the usual Bullshit we all expect from Bullshit Bruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 06:47 PM

Another thread that should be terminated.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:58 PM

Or, perhaps, another poster that should be terminated ??

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 01:56 AM

Female genital mutilation is too (not to mean overly, but contradicting is not) islamic. Look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 02:35 AM

"Who cares?"
Nobody cares what propaganda you and you cabal of brothers care to throw up, especially when you either openly suppor or deny out of hand what is now appearing nightly on our televisions - destruction of hospitals, slaughter of men, women and children, use of horrific weapons... the potential wiping-out of an entire Third World people by fascist thugs.
Bring your proof and we'll care Keith - you can open a newspaper or turn on the television and see ours (or are they "in the pay" of Hamas, as your sick moth-frothing friend has suggested all of us are disgusted by what is happening is.
It is easy to see how pre-war Germany happened when you come into contact with you people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:03 AM

Keith quite rightly asks if anyone cares that ISIS wish their caliphate to include FGM.

Sadly, that's what happens when religion has too much influence in society and wicked people use it to justify misogyny and bigotry.

The thread I started on the positive steps the Anglican Church has taken in allowing women to apply for senior posts shows that interpretation of scriptures can be altered if you come under enough pressure from the rest of society.

Somehow though, I don't see the militant genesis of this caliphate being about the will and needs of those caught within it.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 04:53 AM

This was in the Guardian yesterday.
"The United Nations said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State (Isis) had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation."

I hope the claim has proved false.
The point I was making was that serious issues and concerns regarding the caliphate appear not to concern many contributors here, who would rather use the thread as just another platform to attack Israel.

There are hundreds of threads about Israel including a current one.
What drives those people to carry on as if nothing else in the world matters?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:06 AM

Why, Keith, antisemitism, of course.

And as that rather well conceived character, the barrister in Shaw's 'You Never Can Tell' would have put it --

They think it isn't, but it is.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:07 AM

Nothing else in the world matters if the aggression in Gaza proves that neither Western nor Arab league influence actually works. It also may prove, as if we didn't know already, that there are no rules.

Back to caliphates..

I hope The UN report proves to be taking a local story and extrapolating it. The will of the leadership would encourage it though, as they use adherence to religion as a tool to ensure the people do their bidding.

Awful. Truly awful. I was one of many who fought hard, unsuccessfully, to remove the right of rabbis to perform circumcism on baby boys.   Other faiths and no faiths need qualified medical staff to undertake it, citing health (the original biblical reason funnily enough) as the legal reason. If you banned it, it would go underground. I have seen this when doctors doing it privately for Islamic reasons had to register with CQC and some didn't like the cost. Being struck off and in one case jailed was the satisfactory real cost.

Mutilating children for superstitious reasons is sickening and abhorrent.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM

Video here of the destruction of the ancient mosque which marks the tomb of the prophet Jonah.
Nice people.
https://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/24/isis-destroys-prophet-jonahs-mosque-in-mosul/

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM

Funny, Keith, I'd have inferred that you approved of the destruction of mosques.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM

"Video here of the destruction of the ancient mosque which marks the tomb of the prophet Jonah."
Oh dear - pity it wasn't a hospital, do you mean?
"I hope the claim has proved false."
No you don't - you hope it is true - the Guardian report points out that the UN have dropped the idea because the report is a year old and there is no evidence to back it up - you forgot to mention that bit of 'unnecessary' information
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:20 AM

GregF,

YOU stated that I had called someone a "Dumb Ni**er"


Your explainanition was that SOMEONE ELSE had used the term "Black, and Democrat", which YOU read as "Dumb Ni**er"


You even admitted that you had the wrong person- after the fact.


In this area of the country, people are fired from their jobs for using such terms as "niggardly" , even correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:29 AM

Michael just said that we are only interested in the horrific events in Gaza because we are somehow antisemitic.

So.. The whole world looks on in disgust at the Israeli militant terrorists because of something to do with hating anybody of the same religion as most of the Israelis?

Truly awful.

Its a good job that once you reach his age, nobody listens to you and your views are no longer relevant to the real world. Does nurse know you have access to a keyboard?

I've just read The Guardian piece. Turns out Keith was being economical with the timeline. Still, the ISIS leaders would use such barbaric practice as part of their misguided misogyny, as religious people tend to, so vigilance is still a watchword here.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:30 AM

Jim, the report has since been updated.
Yesterday it was just the Guardian quoting UN stating it was so.
If it is false, good.

Richard, perhaps you will reconsider your prejudice against me.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:00 AM

We can hope that it is not true, but it is being reported in the world press.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/24/-ISIS-order-female-genital-mutilation-in-Iraq.html


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/ISIS-jihadists-order-genital-mutilation-of-all-women-in-Iraq/articleshow/38


http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iraqonthebrink/did-isis-order-mass-female-genital-mutilation/article1-1244306.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:10 AM

The report has not been updated
The 'evidence' from the UN had come from an official, Jacqueline Badcock, who based her statement on a year old statement which has been challenged on the basis factual errors contained in the document and the fact that it was headed using a long-abandoned title for the supposed declaration - in other word a fake.
The plan has been denied, both by ISIS, who are in the position not to have to bother their arses about denying anything, and by area officials.
All these facts are contained in reports published in the Guardian and other Press outlets , and it is typical of your 'honesty and integrity' that you have seen fit not to mention them.
Nobody doubts that extremists like ISIS are capable of shch atrocities, any more than we are in any doubt of your own extremsim in removing information in order to make political/ religious capital out of it.
What excuses do you have for the killing of two demonstrators and the wounding of scores more by troops in Israel - no doubt you have one?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:14 AM

So, Jimmy,

When the UN states something you approve of, you use it as evidence without ant fact-checking..

When they state something you don't approve of, they need to verify there facts before you will believe it.


I certainly hope you will allow the REST of us to apply the rules you have given yourself, and will henceforth accept OUR judgements as being as valid as your own.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM

ENTIRE TEXT of Al Arabiya News article- I do not see what Jimmy has claimed to "KNOW" about this report.



"ISIS orders female genital mutilation in Iraq


A family fleeing the violence in Mosul waits at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Arbil, in Iraq's Kurdistan region, June 11, 2014. (Reuters)
Text size A A A
Staff Writer, Al Arabiya News
Thursday, 24 July 2014
The al-Qaeda-Inspired Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has ordered all girls and women between the ages of 11 and 46 in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation, the United Nations said on Thursday.

"It is a fatwa (or religious edict) of ISIS, we learnt this this morning," said Jacqueline Badcock, the number two U.N. official in Iraq.

The "fatwa" would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil.

"This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," she said, according to Reuters.

"This is not the will of Iraqi people, or the women of Iraq in these vulnerable areas covered by the terrorists," she added.

No one was immediately available for comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.

Also read:

ISIS takes jihadists on honeymoon in Iraq and Syria

Photos surface of ISIS leader Baghdadi's wife

ISIS unveils 'cabinet' lineup: report

How ISIS conquered social media



The world body has "zero contact" with ISIS, but works through tribal leaders in the affected areas, Badcock said. "I can't give you any more details until we have been on the ground to get information," she said of the directive.

FGM, the partial or total removal of external female genitalia, is a tradition practiced widely in many countries and often justified as a means of suppressing a woman's sexual desire to prevent "immoral" behavior.
Female Genital Mutilation in U.S. sparks warnings

Worldwide, more than 130 million girls and women have undergone FGM and more than 700 million women alive today were children when they were married.

The practice of FGM previously occurred only in isolated pockets of Iraq, mainly Kurdistan, according to Badcock.

Mosul city currently has some two million people, more than half of whom are women as there are many female-headed households in the area, she said. Several more million people live in surrounding areas, she added.

"There are reports of rapes of women, of forced marriages," Badcock added.


Last Update: Thursday, 24 July 2014 KSA 17:46 - GMT 14:46"

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:39 AM

But BB, in your area of the country, are people are fired from their jobs for using such terms as "anti-Semite" incorrectly?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:48 AM

"24 July 2014 KSA 17:46 - GMT 14:46"
Report issued 6.pm this morning
"However, later reports cast doubt on the viral story. As it turns out, the Islamic State's leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi suggested the practice over a year ago, while Badcock herself admitted to having "zero contact" with the extremist group, alluding mainly to rumors heard from tribal leaders in the area."
As the organization tries to ascertain what went on, a number of journalists with contacts in Iraq has shared what they believe to be the reality behind the ghastly rumors.
I am aware of the practice of female genital mutilation, just as I am aware of other religions carrying out such operations, including the circumcision of 8 day old boys because their religion demands it - I deplore them all as barbaric.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:56 AM

I would not know, GregF.

MOST of us here have agreed to use the EU definition, to avoid falsely accusing anyone.

Since YOU qualify under that definition, there is no problem that I would be using the term incorrectly.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:01 PM

The Times has the story just 3 hours ago.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4156906.ece

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:07 PM

Jim, your "6pm this morning" report was Russia Today I see.

Irish Times covered it yesterday, and no retraction yet printed.
You chose not to paste in that story as you so often do.

Let us hope the story is still false.
Not much doubt about the destroyed mosques and churches though.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:46 PM

"Jim, your "6pm this morning" report was Russia Today I see"
No it wasn't - but it might well have come from there originally - so what
Which a bit of the information given do you actually challenge.
The fact of the age of the document was reported all day yesterday throughout the world, as were the denials of its having been distributed = denied by local people?
"Not much doubt about the destroyed mosques and churches though."
Nor about the half dozen destroyed hospitals, the health centres, the many thousands of homes- not to mention the 800 dead so far.
Which is the greater crime - homes, hospitals, human beings? - a few churches, obviously
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:56 PM

The GREATER CRIME is the thousands killed by ISIS that YOU seem so desperately to ignore, since you cannot blame them on Israel.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE CALIPHATE-

Your bringing up Israel in all your posts is proof positive of your anti-Semitism as defined by the EU.


When you learn to judge EVERYONE EQUALLY, perhaps you will show some concern for those Muslims being killed by your friends, both in Gaza (HAMAS) and Iraq (ISIS)

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 03:51 AM

"Irish Times covered it yesterday, and no retraction yet printed."
You have obviously scoured the press and failed to come up with anything new in the way of confirmation.
The story did not need to be "pasted in" - you had already put it in and I pointed out the doubt that surrounded it - that doubt was available to you also - you chose to present it as a fact, when it was an unconfirmed statement by a U.N. employee on the basis of dubious evidence.
Your hoping is not true is as sickening as were your crocodile shed for the victims of the Homs snipers, shed at the same time as your proposing that it was o.k. to sell Assad "only a few sniper rifles" (your exact words) and suggesting that he be sold more riot control equipment to keep his dissidents in order "even democracies have a right to keep public order" (also your exact words)   
" anti-Semitism"
Blaming the Jews again 'Brucie the Bombast' - Hitler aint dead, he just posts to Mudcat" as the song should go.
Jim Carroll