BS: Caliphate

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:04 PM

Muslims revere Jesus, but believe that their later prophet was greater.
Would you call them Christians?

This sect revere a Chinese lady who no other Christians accept as the Christ.
It is not how we believe the second coming will come about.
They are not Christians.
I can not stop you calling them Christians, but actual Christians know they are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 12:57 PM

Whereas they reckon you aren't a Christian...

You can't have it both ways. If you call "Islamists" people who follow Islam, then Christians are Christians, whether they are old biddies cramming for their finals between flower arranging and beetle drives or butchers murdering Muslims in CAR, they are Christians. I assume those in China will be ex Christians when the savage government over there execute them. Are they martyrs or deranged nutters?

Anyway, when you say something odd and irrational such as believing a second coming when a first one never actually happened because it physically can't how can any rational person take you seriously?

Even most vicars see it as stories with morals, you daft twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 01:35 PM

"I can not stop you calling them Christians, but actual Christians know they are not."
You seem to have moved on from speaking on behalf of the Israelis to speaking on behalf of all Christians.
You have a list of the various brands of Extremist Christianity - next to them this particular bunch of nutters seems to be fairly small potatoes
ANOTHER ONE

AND ANOTHER

AND ANOTHER

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 03:35 PM

Lots of wacky sects and cults.
The Chinese one is not Christian.
If you think some Christians might not agree with me, good luck, but I am likely to be a better judge than either of you on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 04:46 PM

BEIRUT: Islamic State militants stormed an air base in northeast Syria on Sunday, capturing it from government forces after days of fighting that cost more than 500 lives, a monitoring group said.

The Syrian observatory for human rights said at least 346 Islamic State fighters were killed and more than 170 members of government forces had died since Tuesday in the fight over Tabqa base, making it one of the deadliest confrontations between the two groups since the start of Syria's war.

The observatory, which monitors violence in Syria through sources on the ground, said fighting raged inside the air base on Sunday. It was the Syrian army's last foothold in an area otherwise controlled by Islamic State, which has seized large areas of Syria and Iraq.

In nearby Raqqa city, an Islamic State stronghold, there was celebratory gunfire and several mosques announced through their loudspeakers that the base had fallen to the Islamists and cheered "God is greatest", a witness told Reuters.

IS fighters displayed the severed heads of Syrian army soldiers in the city square, the witness said, adding that Syrian warplanes were heard over Raqqa following the air base attack. Earlier on Sunday the Syrian air force had bombed areas around the base.

Syrian state television said that after fierce battles, the military was "regrouping".

Citing a military source, it said there was a "successful evacuation of the airport" and that the army was continuing strikes on "terrorist groups" in the area, which it said had suffered heavy losses.

Syrian state media gave no figure for the number of people killed in the clashes.

Islamic State had also trapped around 150 retreating Syrian soldiers in an area near the base and was believed to be holding them captive, the Observatory said.

The Syrian army sent reinforcements to the base overnight on Friday to fight Islamic State, which controls roughly a third of northern and eastern Syria.

Syrian television had shown footage of army forces defending the base on Saturday who had said it was safe from Islamic State's advances. Many of the Islamic State fighters died after Syrian warplanes bombarded the area, the observatory said.

Military Bases

Islamic State, a radical offshoot of al Qaeda, has taken three Syrian military bases in the area in recent weeks, boosted by arms seized in Iraq.

Syria is calculating that the IS push to reshape the Middle East will eventually force the West to deal with President Bashar al-Assad as the only way to tackle the threat, sources familiar with Syrian government thinking have said.

Elsewhere in Syria, the group withdrew from northern areas it controlled outside the city of Homs on Sunday and retreated east after coming under attack from rival Islamist fighters, the Observatory said.

Fighters from the group withdrew from a headquarters north of Homs on the orders of their leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Observatory said, citing sources in the area.

They said IS gave up the territory to Nusra Front, al Qaeda's official wing in Syria.

As well as Nusra Front, Western-backed rebels have also been fighting IS in Syria but have regularly been defeated by the group, which in June declared an "Islamic caliphate" in the territory it controls.

Activists have accused the Syrian army of avoiding confrontations with IS because it has weakened rival rebel groups also battling Assad.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Hundreds-dead-as-Islamic-State-seizes-Syrian-air-base/articleshow/40864203.c

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Aug 14 - 04:48 PM

KANO (NIGERIA): Boko Haram's leader said he has created an Islamic caliphate in a northeast Nigeria town seized by the insurgents earlier this month, in a video obtained by AFP on Sunday.

"Thanks be to Allah who gave victory to our brethren in (the town of) Gwoza and made it part of the Islamic caliphate," Abubakar Shekau said in the 52-minute video. He declared that Gwoza, in Borno state, now has "nothing to do with Nigeria".

"By the grace of Allah we will not leave the town. We have come to stay," said Shekau, who has been designated a global terrorist by the United States and sanctioned by the UN Security Council. The UN humanitarian office (OCHA) earlier this month confirmed reports that Gwoza was under rebel control.

Boko Haram is also believed to be in control of other areas near Gwoza in southern Borno, as well as large swathes of territory in northern Borno and at least one town in neighbouring Yobe state. Mapping the precise areas which have fallen into Islamist hands is nearly an impossible task.

There are few humanitarian workers on the ground in the northeast, travel is dangerous and the region, which has been under a state of emergency since May of last year, has poor mobile phone coverage.

Experts have described Boko Haram's gains in recent weeks as unprecedented, saying the group was closer than ever to achieving its goal of carving out a strict Islamic state across northern Nigeria. But many analysts believe that the military has the capacity to reverse the insurgents's advance.

Soldiers this week refused to deploy to Gwoza without better weapons in an apparent mutiny.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Boko-Haram-chief-declares-caliphate-in-Nigeria-town/articleshow/40862400.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 02:26 AM

"but I am likely to be a better judge than either of you on that."
Why - if you are in any way representative of Christianity they'd all be screaming headbangers.
What gives you the slightest superiority over anbody else on a subject we've all been brought up under and are influenced by.
Decided to take the cloth - now there's a thought!!
There you go again - infallibility.
There is a cure, you know.
By the way - you blatantly lied about having access to the Haaretz article you have yet to produce (still welcome to do so).
Haaretz never opens up its full articles to non subscribers as you claimed when producing its headline as evidence for Israel claims.
Why do you have to invent things and claim infallibility if you arguments actually believe your bullshit?
Want to produce the contents of that article now - no? - didn't think so.
Moron
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 02:42 AM

Well, Keith seems to be a different wavelength to at least two vicars and a Chaplain I could mention. They are Christians, and have the payslips to prove it.

Mind you, be fair Jim. He certainly has the self righteous zeal of your average God botherer. The dozy bugger is dripping in mis placed sanctimony.

The only second coming I know of is down to style, technique and going bald at an early age.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 06:58 AM

Interesting piece in the LA Times from 1986 about how the Soviets dealt with Muslim extremists who kidnapped some Soviet diplomats in Lebanon:

QUOTE: "The Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head."

"The KGB then apparently kidnaped and killed a relative of an unnamed leader of the Shias' Hezbollah (Party of God) group, a radical, pro-Iranian group that has been suspected of various terrorist activities against Western targets in Lebanon.

Parts of the man's body, the paper said, were then sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that he would lose other relatives in a similar fashion if the three remaining Soviet diplomats were not immediately released. They were quickly freed.

The newspaper quoted "observers in Jerusalem" as saying: "This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things--they don't talk. And this is the language Hezbollah understands."

LA Times

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 07:44 AM

I am presently sat outside a Costa Cafe. Across from me are two old men with sandwich boards and bibles shouting to shoppers to return to Jesus. (Bearing in mind most people they are shouting at gave never been to Jesus any more than they have been to the moon. )

One of them has starting shouting that Muslims bear false testimony and must be obliterated from the face of the earth. When a copper walks past I might just mention it.

It occurs to me that if I were of the Mohammedian persuasion and went over to kick the fuck out of the disgusting twat, Islamic hate of innocent old men might just reach page three of the local free press.

Funny thing superstition. You can disown your own if you are of the Christian cult but all Muslims get tarred with the same holy brush.

(An aside. Someone is reading The a Daily Mirror on the next table. The headline is that "Brit doctors will cure Ebola." Notwithstanding the stupidity of the headline in the first place, it occurs to me that when I helped the review of the hospital in Swansea (helping The Welsh Assembly with their flavour of quality regulation )where a doctor who had contracted it was sent for treatment, she would have been under the care of, amongst others, the two haematologists who share the call rota there. These particular Brits... One is from Syria and the other Iraq. They got microbiology advice from a prof appointed by the RC. Yes, Walid comes from Iraq cone to think of it.

Funny thing superstition. A bit like nationalism. Just as repugnant.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 10:48 AM

Yes bobad, what goes around comes around.

Some people don't respond to reason....the old maxim of "don't get mad, get even" usually does the trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 11:26 AM

gave and cone...

should be have and come...

iPhone for sale

Nice to see torture and base instinct is popular with the less evolved scum around here...

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 01:00 PM

I don't recall subscribing to a newsfeed called beardedbruce and to be fair, I prefer ones with less bias towards the unfortunate, but thanks for supplying it anyway.

if anyone knows how to stop news feeds on threads expecting opinions of members.. Oh, hang on. Scrub that. I prefer cut & paste to braidedbeardedbruce's take on situations he doesn't understand in the first place.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 12:36 PM

Brilliant!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:27 AM

"The Islamic State (IS) armed group is carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, targeting religious and ethnic minorites with mass killings and abductions, Amnesty International says.

In a report released on Tuesday, the global rights body said systematic violence in Iraq had increased to a historic scale.

"The massacres and abductions being carried out by the Islamic State provide harrowing new evidence that a wave of ethnic cleansing against minorities is sweeping across northern Iraq," said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International's Senior Crisis Response Adviser currently in northern in Iraq."

Al Jazeera

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 10:17 AM

And Bobad's contribution in that post is..?

Why, more horseshit, of course!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 10:27 AM

It's a hell of a lot more informative and relevant to the thread than the previous two posts, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 10:49 AM

Well, I must revise my comment to "the previous post" as one has been removed due to the poster's ill mannered invective.

Another objective for the posting was to see if the report of ethnic cleansing by the IS would garner thousands of posts of condemnation despite the lack of a Jewish component to the report. So far it has, as expected, produced two ad hominem attacks from the usual suspects.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 10:59 AM

despite the lack of a Jewish component to the report.

Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 11:23 AM

Awww......Greggie's got a little butt hurt from truth biting him on the ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 12:51 PM

I don't know...

You have a pop at a sick bastard and the bloody moderators remove your post?

Best bit is, the moderators allow the sick stuff on the basis of free speech.

This is what happens I suppose when the site is moderated by foreigners. You just can't trust the buggers.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 02:13 PM

Yo, Boo- you can't HANDLE the truth!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 07:18 PM

So, no interest in the REAL ethnic cleansing being carried out by the IS, eh? But what about them Jews and the ethnic cleansing they're perpetrating, eh boys? Isn't it horrible what they're doing!

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 08:08 PM

Isn't it horrible what they're doing!

Sure is. And what ISIS is or isn't doing has no bearing on what Israel is doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 08:18 PM

And what is Israel doing Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 09:53 PM

And what is Israel doing Greg?

Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 03:01 AM

"And what ISIS is or isn't doing has no bearing on what Israel is doing." - Greg F

But what ISIS is, or isn't, doing does have a massive bearing on the subject of this particular thread, while what Israel is doing has got nothing to do with THIS thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 04:49 AM

When your mind is so fucked up and twisted, and you can't see two wrongs...

IS being wrong doesn't make Israel right. They are both terrorising in order to inflict their way onto others. Civilised countries and The UN are condemning both.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:04 AM

while what Israel is doing has got nothing to do with THIS thread.

Take it up with Boo, T-Bird. He's the one keeps dragging Israel into the conversation at every opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 04:20 PM

There are many wrongs.
IS is about as evil an entity as anything in the world today.
The paradox is that Israel, much less evil if evil at all, is so much more attacked both in UN and here.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 12:46 PM

Perhaps Israel gets a mention because of the inferred shroud of respectability they drum up?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 04:37 AM

No different to Egypt next door.
like Israel supported by US taxes.
Guilty of apartheid against Bedouin, persecution of minorities and execution of political prisoners.
Also settling Bedouin land in Sinai.

lots of views posted about Israel, almost none about Egypt.
No Jews no views?

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 05:04 PM

BIG difference next door, FKWT - check the amount of aid each recieves and what sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:50 AM

So it is just the amount of aid?
That is why you endlessly attack Israel and ignore, for instance, Egypt who is guilty of blockading GAza plus all those other things I listed?!!

Why do you not just criticise the aid package?
Egypt is also kept afloat by US aid.

No.
That does not explain why you endlessly and only attack Israel while ignoring the far worse crimes of its neighbours.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 09:36 AM

That does not explain why you endlessly and only attack Israel while ignoring the far worse crimes of its neighbours.

Simple explanation FKWT: I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 10:34 AM

Civilians, including women, have been killed after Iraqui forces launched an offensive against IS in Kirkuk. Will we be hearing charges of genocide, indiscriminate killing and disproportionality? Will the UN launch an investigation into war crimes and human rights violations? I will be waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 10:41 AM

"No jews, no views."

Just when you think he can't sink any lower....

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 02:27 PM

So, why do you always attack Israel but never, say, Egypt.
Greg, how can you deny that you do?
Where are your posts attacking Egypt?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 04:17 PM

"It all depends on whose ox is being gored"
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"Daddy, he hit me first"

carry on....

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:24 PM

Where are your posts attacking China, FKWT?

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:29 PM

Oh and FKWT: here, Educate Yourself

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 05:32 PM

Odd that on threads about Israeli atrocities, decent people appear to be berated for mentioning Israel rather than, say, Egypt.

What silly pork sausages we are....

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 06:05 PM

Egypt, or Timbukto for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 14 - 08:24 PM

Syria's military kills 35 civilians in Raqqa as Damascus launches airstrikes against Islamic State held areas: http://aje.me/1lO6Yqf

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 04:41 AM

Israel is raised on many dedicated threads and also on unrelated threads by you people.
There are no dedicated threads about Egypt and you people never criticise it on threads where its behaviour could be raised.

Greg, I criticised China a lot on the thread I started about Syria.

The things Egypt does would have you hammering the keys if Jews did it.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 05:16 AM

Ain't that the truth! I carry the opposite of a brief for many current Israeli goings-on: the great disappointment of my life, as I never tire of saying. But this obsession with Israel even on threads like this where it is irrelevant or at most marginal, little as its expressers might like to acknowledge the fact, is nothing but antisemitism, pure & simple. As that character in Shaw's play would have put it so succinctly: they think it isn't, but it is.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 06:25 AM

I think you are wrong on that particular point M.

I don't think anti-Semitism is the driving force of all of the unrealistic posters, rather a desperate attempt by "liberals" to claim some political credibility.

Israeli retaliation has been disproportionate, their policy of expansion is blunt and cruel, the "Palestinian problem" is never properly addressed.
Of course as has been explained by yourself and Keith, there is rabid hypocrisy at work by so called liberals on this forum, but it is a last line of ideological defence rather than anti-Semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 08:57 AM

"So, why do you always attack Israel but never, say, Egypt."
Two reasons.
The two greatest threats to world peace today are from Islamist extremism and from Israeli expansionism, Israel's nuclear capability making her the greater threat.
They are both inexorably linked because they have their groundings in religion.
Egypt doesn't even come into the running at the present time.
Had the West and particularly the U.N. handled the Arab Spring differently, Egypt might just have put its own house in order - ISIS would certainly never have gained a toe-hold in Syria.
"Greg, I criticised China a lot on the thread I started about Syria."
While at the same time proposing that Assad be supplied with weapons and equipment to suppress any attempts at democratisation in Syria.

"rather a desperate attempt by "liberals" to claim some political credibility"
Liberal definition - a person with liberal views - obviously still a problem with Ake, despite former protestations that he had nothing against them.
Jim Carroll

MEDICAL PERSONNEL CLAIM ISRAEL TESTED NEW WEAPONS DURING ATTACKS ON GAZA
Lara Marlowe in Gaza   Irish Times Sept 6th.
Doctors describe injuries inconsistent with previously used ammunition
Doctors and an ambulance officer believe Israel tested new weapons during its July 8th - August 26th assault on the Gaza Strip.
Ambulance officer Ibrahim Abu Kas of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society has worked through the last three wars between Israel and Hamas. "In this war, I saw things I never could have imagined," he says. "The five children from the al-Jaal family in Zeitoun were the strangest thing I ever saw in my life."
The room where three girls and two boys were sleeping was hit by an Israeli tank shell while their mother, father and grand¬mother sat in another room. "Their bodies were hot. Their hair and skin were black liked charred wood. When their parents arrived at the hospital, they didn't recognise them," Abu Kas continues. "But there had been no fire, only white smoke."
'Third-degree burns'
Abu Kas's account corroborates what Dr Sobhi Skaik, chief surgeon and medical di¬rector at Shifa hospital and a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh, told me earlier: "We saw third-degree burns that cannot be explained; neither flame burns nor chemical burns. It was as if the patient became mummified, and most of them died. Their skin blackened and their tissue became tough and solid. I saw dozens of patients like this in the intensive care unit, from the Ajour and Hijazi families, among others."
Abu Kas worked 24 hours on/24 hours off for the first 40 days of the war, then round the clock, with brief naps in the Red Crescent office for the last 10 days. "I saw more than a dozen bodies that looked normal, with no marks or wounds. But when we touched them they were slip¬pery. If you tried to pick them up, the flesh fell off like jelly. We had to roll them in blankets."
Doctors at Shifa hospital heard rumours of chemical weapons or gas. "I saw a man whose limbs were jerking and he could not breathe before he died, but he had no wounds," Abu Kas recounts. Earlier, he had picked up people who were suffocating but survived.
Also early in the conflict, Abu Kas found a man sitting frozen in a chair, dead, but with no apparent wounds. When Israeli ground troops began pulling out, his ambulance followed in their wake. He discovered the bodies of five Palestinian fighters, seemingly frozen like the man in the chair, at least two of whom still clutched guns. Each had a small bullet hole in the forehead. "I think they were already dead when they were shot point blank," Abu Kas continues.
"The Israelis listen to our communications, and they must have known we were talking about chemicals or gas. I think they shot the dead fighters to hide how they died."
In the previous war, Israel was criticised for extensive use of white phosphorous, which causes horrific burn wounds. Dr Skaik saw 90 per cent of the 4,500 wounded brought to Shifa, Gaza's biggest public hospital. He did not find white phosphorous wounds in this war, though two eyewitnesses told me they saw the characteristic white jellyfish-like clouds over Shujaiya. Two sources confirmed the use of flechettes, tiny darts fired in anti-person¬nel tank shells, which cut their victims into mincemeat.
Whatever new weapons Israel may have used, "The worst illegal weapons are the siege, which is illegal collective punishment, the disproportionate use of force and the lack of discrimination between civilian and military targets," says the Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, who worked at Shifa during the war.
An emergency worker at Shifa called al-Yazdi found the bodies of his father and mother in the back of an ambulance.
"One day, I didn't carry a single living body - only dead people for 24 hours," says Abu Kas. "In previous wars, we could treat most of the wounded," says Dr Skaik. "This time, the number and magnitude of wounds was far greater. One third were dead on arrival."
Hospitals closed
More than a dozen ambulances were destroyed - "51 per cent of all major clinics and hospitals were damaged, and 27 per cent remain closed because of damage or lack of personnel," says Anders Thomsen ofthe UN Population Fund.
Abu Kas lists four places where the Israelis returned and attacked civilians and rescue workers who rushed to the site of a bombing. "The pilots can see my wristwatch from the cockpit, so they can certainly see the ambulances, fire engines and police cars," he says.
At about 5.30pm on July 30th, Abu Kas's ambulance was called to Shujaiya, one of the worst hit areas. "There were two bodies lying on the ground, and civilians brought me a girl with a head wound. It didn't look too bad, so I put her in the ambulance and went into a building where there were severely wounded people."
During a nightmarish hour of Israeli tank fire, Abu Kas was wounded in the hand and leg and the Palestinian news photographer Rami Rayan was killed beside the ambulance.
The girl was on Abu Kas's mind as he administered first aid to the wounded. By the time he returned, the ambulance had been hit and the wounded child's brains were spilling out. "I carried her body to another ambulance," Abu Kas says. He is crying. "I think about her all the time. If I die, it doesn't matter, because I've lived 35 years. But she was only 12-years-old."

Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 09:51 AM

But it is precisely because they are 'liberals', Ake, that they are not really cognisant of — cannot face up to the reality of — their true motivations. I say again: it is, so, antisemitism, at that.

They think it isn't, but it is.

YOU think it isn't, but it is.

Regards

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 10:00 AM

Tell you what Keith. Using your logic, its got fuck all to do with jews.

We all hate you because you are a fucking christian so oppose anything and everything you say or stand for eh?

If you want to be paranoid, at least do it in style, sick fucker.

Michael just said that not hating others makes you antisemitic. At least he has the excuse of going senile..