BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 01:54 PM

some essential oils are antiviral. i think tea tree for one. some can be taken orally if prescribed by a knowledgeable person but i don't know if the antivirals can. but at least stuff could be sprayed. we have not heard enough about burning of clothing, bedding, etc. i don't know how much should be or is being done. there is of course a shortage there of just about everything...but no shortage of textiles worldwide that could be donated.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 01:55 PM

Q, would portapotties with ultraviolet disinfection be possible? Should our army, which is setting up isolation compounds, be looking for them? Do they exist? I know UV is used in some sewage treatment plants, but I have no idea how they work or on what scale.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 02:00 PM

Who will profit? So far three possible vaccines, two of which (if accepted for treatment) are large drug concerns, Smith Glaxo-Kline, and Johnson and Johnson. In the end the large concerns have the means of producing the vaccines in large quantities.

Protective gear comes from several sources. Uline is one, a large company making all sorts of containers and packaging, warehousing equipment, protective clothing, &c.

Lakehead Industries and Alpha Pro Tech stocks have jumped, as investors bet that Ebola will increase, and increase the need for Hasmat suits and other protective wear.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 02:00 PM

don't know why not. there are also wands which could be waved over potties etc. burn. burn. burn. flame throwers on stainless steel? DOn't know. don't sit down too soon after.

here are some suggested antiviral oils..due diligence required of course.
http://www.sustainablebabysteps.com/antiviral-essential-oils.html

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 02:20 PM

This is going far afield, but see the Army Study Guide, Section on Field Facilities for Human Waste Disposal.
Most armies use similar guides, but one of the military units sent to Haiti used none, and they left open defecations near the rivers. A Cholera epidemic was the result.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 09:26 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/health/scientists-rein-in-fears-of-a-virus-whose-mysteries-tend-to-invite-speculation.html

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 09:49 PM

Right, GregF. That's why we aren't calling for hysteria but for the outbreak to be rationally dealt with.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 08:10 AM

Another of the carers infected in Texas.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 05:03 PM

some suggested naturopathic chemicals.

http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-saving-lives-natural-allopathic-medicine

http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-saving-lives-natural-allopathic-medicine

I suspect help will come quite a bit from this direction..not a cure all but maybe a way of saving some marginal lives, especially as there is probably a synergy between various of these suggestions.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 05:46 PM

Dr. Kent Bradley, the first American flown back from Africa with ebola, is now donating his blood plasma hoping it will do good. He was unable to donate to the man who died because blood types made that impossible. I think I remember this happening before in another outbreak (perhaps as seen on pbs's NOVA). Chances are it won't hurt.

The two new drugs are vaccines rather than treatments for already-infected patients. For the technical minded, the comments on the linked page are detailed and interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 06:48 PM

I should say that I have been potentially exposed, and I live in a very out of the way place. I won't trace the steps but it leads to Liberia very directly. I am not expecting anything of course, and we hopefully would have heard if she developed the disease. But that is how easy it is to spread. And I do not believe for a minute that it can't be spread until symptoms are active..at what point do you determine that? There is a whole lot of grey area there. I work for a university and we are under orders now to report any trips to high-risk places and there is a quarantine we are supposed to follow I think..I did not read it too carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 08:28 PM

Yikes, mg. Read it, O do.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 08:58 PM

The two vaccines the WHO suggested for prioritized testing have been mentioned here before.
One is the U. S. government Agency NIAID plus GSK developed vaccine, the other the Canadian Government PHS and U. S. drug company, Newlink, vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Nina
Date: 15 Oct 14 - 09:08 PM

Oh my gosh, this week a guy got on a Metro bus in Los Angeles, a Route 33 that goes from downtown L.A. out on Venice Blvd. and he pulled off his mask shouting out that "He had Ebola and don't mess with me" to the driver. Driver of the Metro bus let everyone off the bus including this guy and he took off so the police are looking for him. They think it is a hoax though. I sometimes take that bus but not recently. How scary though.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 01:13 PM

Second nurse affected. She travelled on a commercial flight with 132 passengers and crew, who should be isolated.
The six crew members have been put on paid leave and observation for 21 days.

The CDC requires anyone who has had contact to use controlled transport only, avoiding public carriers.

Public Health authorities are trying to contact all 132 passengers.
This incident shows how the virus could be spread rapidly through contacts.

(Nonsense calculation brought too mind- say 3 of the 132 develop symptoms. How many people could they have come in contact with? &c.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 01:26 PM

Dallas County judge Clay Jenkins issued an order that the 75 county residents being monitored "stay at home." Papers must be served individually to each of them.

The nurse who travelled had relatives at Kent State, Ohio; they have been asked to stay off campus for 21 days.

The above news from LA Times, Oct. 14, 2014.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 02:46 PM

Papers must be served individually to each of them.

Let me guess, they have to sign each one to acknowledge receipt and hand it back to the officer serving it?...

What's the approved form in Texas law for saying "Bring out your dead"?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:19 PM

here is something hopeful..

it says it would take 998 million to control it in liberia..that is amazingly small.

if 100 million working adults in us alone sent $10 there you go.

And of course, as it should be expected, they are revising their customs and practices and understand why they must. There was no doubt in my mind that they would, it was just a matter of how long it would take. You can see on tv that they are using handwashing stations all over, in a place where running water is scarce I believe, they are improvising gloves and booties and aprons out of plastic bags. Even in inpoverished places there are things that can be done..and there are resources that we throw away that they could use..cell phones..why aren't we trying to get millions of cell phones there. In the 1800s people used to have mission barrels for African missions. In 2014 we can't figure out how to get stuff there. It is one of the weakest points of our society and economy.

What do we have for robotics that can clean human waste out of a horrible clinic? We have roombas etc..surely there could be a roving shop vac..perhaps remote controlled..to clean..then a roving thing for chemigation of some sort. Then perfume..as in per fuma..through smoke I think..there are probably things, including of course aromatheraphy, that could be sent through the air to disinfect, to provide some comfort, even some medicine. There are vitamins that could be added to a nutrient drink..vitamins c and d are mentioned.

$998 million..how much will we spend on Christmas this year? Many times that I would think.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:29 PM

What's the approved form in Texas law for saying "Bring out your dead"?

Well, the Governor of Texas is brain dead ........

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:30 PM

From 14 years experience; "the pace and atmosphere at the NIH yesterday was the most frenetic to date".

Due to technical problems I may not be able to post on the internet from this station. Windows 7 has too many conflicts to keep working much longer.

Remember that with all the human frailties from ignorance to greed there will be needless yet inevitable mistakes that will allow breakouts of US Ebola in a variety of locations that could number from 25 to 100. The worst of these may claim a thousand or more lives but there will be no total pandemic except for the epidemic of fear.
Unlike AIDS, Ebola will burn out in less than 10 years.

Fact: BUDGET Funding needs to be restored to the NIH and CDC to pre sequestration numbers.

Fact: Poverty stricken states will succumb to the most tragic loss of life and family.

Fact: Since late March 2014 we have been aware of the Ebola outbreak. In comparison to previous outbreaks since 1976 we seem to have had a significantly more anemic response in terms of resources. For the fallen heroes who put up the most courageous battle with virtually no weapons, the world owes the debt of life itself.












History: It is unlikely even a single person who sees this post will associate it with my writings going back 13 years ago when I wrote profusely and obsessively about bio warfare and intentional pandemic in prose and verse. Looking back I believe those contributions caused no real harm nor help. Credibility was not my aim as it would be to a journalist. However I believe there are many rational people like myself who see and experience time differently and face Cassandra dilemmas through out their lives. When I painted the events of the twin towers destruction, the great tsunami, sea level rise and bio warfare, all at least 10 years before their occurrence, I always had a different explanations for putting brush to canvas and why. The great irony in my life is that I have always had speech difficulties and deficits. It reminds me of Kafka saying "I have no mouth and I must scream!" If all these examples of foreknowledge are coincidental,deductions or delusional imagination I have never allowed those "delusions" to rule my life. The emotions however still seep through the bandage of everyday life. I don't deny the truth of who I am. Insightful, intellectual but ineffectual.

Despite this; I HEREBY DISAVOW any connection between those early remarks and paintings to the events surrounding Ebola today. None of those remarks apply specifically to now.




From my virtual friend and actual acquaintance Doug,


DON'T PANIC

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:46 PM

And the people on the Cleveland planes, both of them, to and fro, and the people who next boarded those planes, aren't at high risk unless they touched a surface covered with that nurse's fluids. It isn't airborne.

So really only
the passengers on either side of her who likely rubbed elbows with her sweat
Her airstaff who would have served her drinks and taken her glass away (mine always wear gloves anyway in the cleanup phase, I've noticed that)
The one who had her seat after and used her tray, but not, probably, anybody after that in that seat using that tray
Anyone whom she bumped into on her way to or from either of her seats
Anyone who bumped into her getting past her seat
Anyone who bumped/was bumped by her at either of the airports or at any time since she became feverish
The people who cleaned up after her on the plane
How did she get to the airport? Public transport? Cab? ditto
The people who were with her while she was feverish at home
The people who were with her in Cincinnati, or bumped into her between the airport and her destination and back

But, not all the people on both planes, as with bird flu or something airborne.

Once she had a fever of any kind she should have known to isolate herself and the CDC should have isolated her and not okayed her travel! I can't believe the idiocy! On everybody's part! The one thing we know, they all, roundly, ignored! It's not as if we didn't know better, for crying out loud!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 04:14 PM

Second nurse flew to Cleveland an hour and half from me. I use that airport as much as buffalo. Great she even called the cdc before leaving with a low grade they told her it was ok where the hell is our safety net

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 04:34 PM

Where the hell is Obama and tell me again why no travel ban to affected areas

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: pdq
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 05:30 PM

"Where the hell is Obama and tell me again why no travel ban to affected areas."



                                        watch the video

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 05:57 PM

assume of course she never used the toilet..and they say you can go from 0 to 60 on this disease so you can feel fine and then bam..that can include diarrhea of course. How can you sanitize a toilet midflight.

Whoever at CDC told her it was OK to travel should be fired or perhaps sent to Liberia to help manage things..with proper supervision of course.

And that doctor who was quarantined and broke her quarantine? Isn't she on TV? TV station should fire her.

And I presume you are being sarcastic or perhaps hopeful when you say it is not airborne. By various twists of semantics they say it is not, but some are saying of course it is, perhaps not as traditionally defined, but certainly little particles in the air..and it takes 1-5 viri to infect someone perhaps..they say in one droplet enough viri to infect half a million people. All of this is subject to revision of course as facts become better understood.

Like one doctor spokesman said, you can't wait to prove everything before you take precautions. The more you take ahead of a big wave, the smaller the big wave will be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Cassie
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 10:32 PM

To Mrrzy:

You mentioned many things but here is another one:

What about if she used the bathroom on the airplane? So she flushed the toilet and unless the lid is down, some particle become airborne.
What about the person who may have used the toilet right after her?
Within minutes after her maybe. Possible problem there?

Her flying was totally insane!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:04 PM

Ooh I forgot the bathroom how right y'all are! But airborne particles aren't the issue, it's fluids on surfaces, and if she sweated on the toilet seat, voila. Or on the sink surface, which the next person could touch while it was still wet.

her flying was imbecilic, both of her and of the CDC person who said it was OK even though she had a fever.

Well, not that stupid of her, she DID ask the CDC, sorry, boy did they drop the ball. But at the first sign of fever she should have gone straight into isolation, and she should have known that.

Do we know what was in Cleveland that was so important?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:10 PM

i think she was making plans for her wedding.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:14 PM

Ah, and she didn't start running the fever till she got to Ohio, so it's only the flight back that is the problem. She shoulda stayed in Ohio given that she'd been allowed to leave Dallas, which she oughtn't to have.

Blicky to Slate coverage of "timeline of many, many missteps" (itself with blicky to more ebola coverage).

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 12:38 PM

more good news..a woman by the name of murphy works in robotics at some texas university...she is calling for her robotics colleagues to develop helpful robots..one she mentioned was very important...mortuary robots she called them..designed to move the bodies. also i see a great need for waste management and cleanup robots. i do not know how the virus responds to fire..probably "kills" it but some could undoubtedly be released in ash or whatever..but how do you manage medical waste? or even ordinary human waste? they said in the hospital in texas medical waste was stacked to the ceiling. i find that very hard to understand. how must it be in cities in liberia with very poor plumbing, sanitation etc....in many respects i think it might be easier to deal with it out in the rural areas where you have space, hopefully wood for building shelters and using in fires, hopefully a source of water..and you have sunshine and fresh air which should be better for patients and way better for nurses etc. i don't know if they have stormy weather there or not.

i thought i bet they are going to call for Filapina nurses and sure enough they have.

and i am waiting for the world's assembled bishops to say come follow me..i will go there, or as close as I can get, and i will sell some of my pretty clothes to get supplies. at least one..two if we are lucky. no..they are too busy arguing if we can welcome gays in the church.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 01:22 PM

Well, the USA has boots on the ground in Liberia. The president has authorized call up of any needed reservists. I don't know how the army works in these situations. If they search by unit, my son's group is not appropriate - they're basically oriented to treat casualties of war with high-tech equipment (x-rays, operating rooms, ventilators, etc.) If they evaluate personnel individually for their skills my son, as an infrastructure technician, would be of more use. I'm scared. He's doing his monthly reserve thing as we speak, so there may be more news soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 01:43 PM

Weather is going into the long dry season; it will stay hot, mid to high 90'sF/low to mid 30'sC, maybe 10-20 degrees cooler at night, but away from the coast humidity may go down to 80% from 98%. Harmattan will bring dust that will get into everything and make a lot of things not work at some point, apparently they can't predict when.

I would be scared too, Bettynh.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 02:58 PM

Anybody else think the Ebola Czar should have been a medical person rather than a law person?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 03:21 PM

Time to watch this video.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM

yes it should have been a medical person but hopefully with law and military expertise.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 04:39 PM

He seems to be a very smart political circus master. With this being the most-read opinion in Liberia and Republicans in this country trying to link ebola to anything they think might get votes in a couple weeks (I see the latest is that the administration is targeting nurses for destruction by ebola), there's a very big circus out there. If someone can manage the circus well enough for the doctors and the army to get on with what needs to be done, I hope he's the best man for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 04:51 PM

don't we have a surgeon general? Wasn't it supposed to be Sanjay Gupta? I could not begin to tell you who it is. What is he or she doing?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 05:03 PM

Nope, we don't have a surgeon general. and Republicans vow to block any nominees. So it's up to the president to figure a go-around.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 05:45 PM

Nope, we don't have a surgeon general. and Republicans vow to block any nominees.


Oh, what a pile of crap.

Obama nominated a 36 year old Brittish national whose partents were born in India for SG.

The guy said his goal as Surgeon General was to ban guns. Health hazzard, you know.

Ever Senate Democrats don't want him because most then own guns too.

Obama refuses to withdraw his extreme "in your face" nominee.

The Republicans simply want an experienced, responsible SG, not another pathetic politacal hack.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:03 PM

Piss off, PeeDee- the RepubliCraps are following their publicly stated objective to nullify anything the President or the Democrats in Congress come up with.

Take it up with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:49 PM

I thought he was offered the position and declined it. I think the time now would be for an infectious disease person who knows how to mobilize military and civilian and religious assets and get stuff going. From here to there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 07:03 PM

I don't play in political crap but I wanted the best damn doctor, and scholar we have in that position not a lawyer. Ebola is not a political game

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:20 PM

I agree, and we ought to have a Surgeon General, even if they do think that gun violence (not gun ownership) is a medical issue.

if we had a surgeon general they would be the ebola czar.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:41 AM

Senegal has managed to contain the epidemic by disseminating advice on how to protect against infection.
Another member of the Texas team is showing symptoms.
He is on a cruise ship off Mexico!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Stu
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 06:04 AM

White people in Ebola threat panic!!!!!!

30k + killed by guns a year in the US

30k + killed in traffic accidents in the US

Meanwhile . . . africans die in biblical numbers:

7000 from ebola in 40 years

1.7 million from tuberculosis a year

around a million from malaria a year

both preventable, both treatable but the demographic is wrong.

Your chances of catching ebola are infinitesimal. Worry about something else.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 10:18 AM

Another member of the Texas team is showing symptoms.
He is on a cruise ship off Mexico!

According to the news I can find, this person is a she and is not showing any symptoms.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:06 AM

White people...Your chances of catching ebola are infinitesimal. Worry about something else. Oy and double, no, triple vey!

It's not ABOUT distant people's chances of getting it it's about the actual Guineans, Sierra Leonians and Liberians who ARE getting it! By the thousands! For crying out loud, get your apparently white head out of your apparently white ass!

And the cruise ship person was a lab worker who handled Dallas ebola patient blood without precautions, and should not have gotten on that ship during the quarantine period. Not letting that person off the ship may make sense; not letting the ship dock may be excessive.

But ebola lives in mammals, ships have rats! I hear you cry. Well, ebola takes actual contact with the fluids, which poor cruise ship person had, there is a lot known about its transmission and it doesn't vector between people through mice like Hantavirus or bubonic plague, or the local dogs, or even bats. You can get it from butchering and eating the vector mammals, not by being in contact with them while they are nonetheless happily carrying ebola around and not getting sick.

Yet I don't want a population of mammals outside where ebola already is to harbor ebola. I think it's quite likely to be a good idea to kill all the known, US and European, patients' mammal pets. And I won't say euthanize since it isn't putting the poor pets out of their misery, the happy healthy doggies and kitties and bunnies. I just would not take a *known* risk. And we do *know* it lives happily in many mammals where it lives, if you want to look up how ebola works, be my guest, but this is not a claim, it's a fact. (That the virus lives in mammals whom it doesn't sicken and that's one minority way people get it, I mean, not that all pets should be killed on the offchance, which is also not a claim, but an opinion that is based on that fact.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:36 AM

The BBC Report said she was in quarantine on the ship.
Glad to hear that she is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 12:55 PM

The Carnival ship with 4000 passengers was denied entry to Mexico.
Passengers were allowed to disembark in Belize, but the vacationing care worker were not allowed off or to reserve on a flight to U. S.
The ship in now returning to Texas.

Officials finally issued a travel ban for workers at the Dallas Hospital who had come in contact with Duncan.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 01:17 PM

The last from NY Post, Oct. 17, 2014.

Disappointed passengers were given $200 credit against their bill, and offered 50% discounts on some future cruises.