BS: Conspiracy theories

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 05:29 AM

Actually, the world's best selling book was Chairman Mao's red book. (True story.) There are many different books calling themselves The Bible.

Although like the bible, Mao's dictat hadn't much truth between the covers... I suppose there were less things that physically couldn't happen, to be fair to him.





Goofus, have a chat with your imaginary friend, he might be able to advise you on some of your more weird notions. After all, real people have tried and failed...

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 03:58 AM

Musket: "What makes the bible so special?"

Ummm...could it be that it is the world's best selling book...ever??
(True story)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 03:15 AM

Oh I don't know. There are just as many conspiracy theories in Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Come to think of it, most soap opera scripts have them.

What makes the bible so special?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 01:40 AM

Now that Pete has posted,it occurs to me that the notorious religious skeptic, Musket, did not mention what some consider to be the greatest conspiracy of all time,The Passover Plot

Here's a quote from the link that summarizes it:

"the central mystery of Jesus' death and resurrection was carefully planned to fulfill biblical prophecies. His crucifixion was targeted for the day before the Jewish Passover in the knowledge that the bodies would be taken down before the sabbath. A drug administered to Jesus, perhaps in the sponge mentioned in John 19:29, slowed his heartbeat and put him in a state of suspended animation. Friends and disciples had arranged to recover his body and start reanimation efforts as soon as possible. - The plan failed when a Roman soldier ran a spear into his side (John 19:34). The aftermath had to be improvised."

You're such a slacker, Musket...

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 05:15 PM

The crash was avoided by lots of programmers editing many lines of code to be sure that the date didn't shut things off..(in PCs anyway... Macs were safe.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 03:48 PM

pete was gullible?

Surely not........

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 02:30 PM

would the millennium scare come under this category, when millions of us paid out to protect our computers from the crash that was not ?.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 09:39 AM

""Governments hide problematic truths from the people (such as how much they are being spied on for example). The police close ranks to protect themselves when people die under their watch (at a football match for example). Dossiers (about child abuse in high places for example) go 'missing.'""

Those mentioned above are quite broad generalizations about organizations - greater than what many would see as a traditional conspiracy theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 08:03 AM

"Even paranoids have enemies."

Kissinger

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Owl Glass
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 07:26 AM

I used to be paranoid - Then they got me!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 06:00 PM

The Business Plot: another conspiracy theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 04:59 PM

And let us not forget MK Ultra. Put on your tinfoil hats.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 12:44 PM

The Hollow Earth Theory 



The Hollow Earth 

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 12:36 PM

""After World War II, rumors circulated that German astronauts had traveled to the moon and established a top-secret facility there. Some even speculated that Adolf Hitler faked his own death, fled the planet and lived out the rest of his days in an underground lunar hideout. Connections were also drawn between flying saucer sightings—including the famous incident near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947—with the Nazis' alleged UFO development program. These theories form the basis of the science fiction novel "Rocket Ship Galileo," published by Robert A. Heinlein in 1947.""




Nazi moon colony 

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 12:32 PM

jonestown 

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Nov 14 - 11:57 AM

(trying to think of any famous conspiracy theories that were borne out... I suppose there must be a couple)

Britain assisted the US in torturing the people kidnapped by American agents after 9/11:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/11/7-things-diego-garcia-rendition-flights-documentaton-water-damage

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Nov 14 - 01:26 PM

24 beer in a case.
24 hours in a day.
Coincidence, or conspiracy?

Neither; that's ergonomic design.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Nov 14 - 12:43 PM

24 beer in a case.
24 hours in a day.
Coincidence, or conspiracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 08 Nov 14 - 12:37 PM

Have you noticed that whenever this thread looks like it is about to drop off the bottom the page, it comes back to the top of the list again?

Spooky coincidence or conspiracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Nov 14 - 06:45 PM

As my old drinkin' buddy Ben Franklin said, "Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Nov 14 - 02:11 PM

"I differentiate between organized conspiracies and just 'group think'.""

And, at times there is more "following" being done by "a group" in a group think, than individual thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 07 Nov 14 - 01:19 PM

Saville & co aren't conspiracy. There seems to be enough out there in terms of hard facts to have out him in court had he lived. That ain't conspiracy.

Conspiracy includes not believing what happens when larger than life people or events are concerned, looking for the fantastic theory to match their fantastic persona.

It also is a term used to denote those who lie about others in order to sway opinion and try to convince people to hate them. In return they call anything nice a "liberal conspiracy." Sad but true, such scum exists.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Nov 14 - 01:10 PM

Suspecting that people who complained about Saville were being sidelined and evidence hidden isn't suspecting about an individual. And there does seem to be something odd about the disappearance of Geoffrey Dicken's papers about high level child abuse, and the report data which was disappeared in Rotherham.

Which isn't what I was going to post.

Which was: setting up the concept of completely nutty, tinfoil helmeted, conspiracy theorists could be a very effective smokescreen to hide the real things. It is quite clear that throughout history there have been conspiracies, often combined with cockups, but not always.

With the Manhattan project, the context made keeping it secret much more likely than it would be in the cases of the Moon flights, which similarly involved very many people (one of whom I know).

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Nov 14 - 01:01 PM

I differentiate between organized conspiracies and just 'group think'.

Trying to assassinate Hitler was a conspiracy- police tending to not admit anything bad about 'their own' is sometimes a conspiracy, sometimes just group-think.

9/11 was a conspiracy... but if it had included the dozens (or hundreds) necessary to do everything some claim, it would have never been kept quiet.

Just suspecting something about an individual like Saville or Thatcher doesn't really seem to fit.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Acorn4
Date: 06 Nov 14 - 10:04 AM

Here in the UK, if you'd said 3 years ago:-

Jimmy Saville is a serial sex offender.

The Hillsborough disaster was a massive
police cover-up.

Margaret Thatcher intended all along to close all British coalmines.

- you would have been called a "conspiracy theorist".

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 14 - 04:46 AM

And, then there are the people with much time on their hands, who manufacture cartoon conspiracy theories. Cartoon characters and organuzations are joined in a pllot to promote a gay-drug society to children. Many of these conspiracies are "thought-up made-up" by right-wing (nut) religious folks. One recent example is targeting the Disney movie Frozen by the National Catholic Register and a few vocal anti-gay, right-wing religious folks/ entertainement personalities (one example below)?

the Mormon blogger Kathryn Skaggs   

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Nov 14 - 02:03 AM

Lincoln's assassination was part of a conspiracy. We know the names of all the conspirators, because they were caught. There are some open questions; was Mary Surratt involved? How much did Dr. Mudd know? But we know the names of Booth's fellow conspirators, and that they planned to kill Lincoln and his cabinet, because several of them told us what they knew.

I remember Watergate. John Dean couldn't keep it quiet. G.Gordon Liddy bragged about what he did.

The thing about conspiracies is that more than one person is involved. The more people who share a secret the more chances there are it won't stay secret.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 01:19 PM

Bill D., all of Nostradamus's REAL predictions are there as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 01:03 PM

I heard the shape changing lizards killed her for hogging the limelight.

Mind you, mock ye not... Every conspiracy theory mentioned in this thread has the one vital ingredient needed..

Dozy buggers.

👽👽👽💤

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,DTM
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 12:56 PM

Programme on the telly the other night suggesting her doc actually killed her with an injection in the heart.
Done to stop her squealing about his unethical relationship with her and the Robert Kennedy affair.
I read somewhere that a coromner said he'd only ever came across one other suicide where the body was naked and that had been in exceptional circumstances.
Whatever happened, the offish story smells of fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 12:16 PM

Re MM:

The Kennedys did it...

http://www.idesigntimes.com/articles/5997/20130611/marilyn-monroe-bobby-kennedy-jfk-sex-tape.htm

Describing the Monroe Kennedy fight further, Otash wrote: "She was really screaming and they [Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford] were trying to quiet her down. She's in the bedroom and Bobby [Kennedy] gets the pillow and he muffles her on the bed to keep the neighbors from hearing." Finally, according to Otash, the Marilyn Monroe and Bobby Kennedy's fight subsided. "She finally quieted down and then he was looking to get out of there."

Although Marilyn Monroe and Bobby Kennedy's fight finally came to a close, Otash realized, in hindsight, that he had "listened to Marilyn Monroe die." Otash learned later that Marilyn Monroe was dead when Lawford requested that he remove any incriminating evidence from her house. Otash's final recordings of Monroe and the Kennedy brothers have still not been found.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 10:09 AM

""Jimmy Hoffa ('s) remains""

That could possibly be misconstrued, to contribute to a new internet conspiracy theory?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 10:01 AM

Is that silo where the blueprints and working model of the 100MPG carburetor are hidden? (along with the x-rays of JFKs head, Jimmy Hoffa's remains, and Judge Crater's wallet?)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 09:58 AM

Some people advocate that conspiracy theories are just theories because they would require too many people to know what's going on in order to make them work and remain secret. The reference to the Manhattan Project was to draw attention to this: more than 120,000 people were employed on the MP. Even Truman as VP of the US was unaware until he was sworn in as President.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 09:52 AM

Conspiracies theories are promulgated by a secret cabal of neuroscientists and financiers to distract people from the real problems of of the current moment. This is the "Brain$ Trust" and is headquartered in an abandoned secret US government missile silo outside of a small town in South Dakota.

I've already said too much.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 09:19 AM

I agree in part, Stim, but then would be remiss not to mention the Manhattan Project.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 09:09 AM

Having, perhaps unfortunately, spent most of my life working in the real world, it strikes me that most conspiracy theories require much more cooperation and coordination between diverse parties than you would generally be able to manage.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 05:22 AM

Apologies accepted, Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 05:14 AM

You're correct, Shimrod. Much to my embarrassment, I noticed that as soon as I'd posted it. My apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 05:07 AM

Well, Guest Ed, here's a quote from your link:

"Aluminum has a melting point of 660*C, depending on the alloy, and jet fuel burns at 980*C. With the vast amount of debris from the aircraft in the north-east corner (80% of which was aluminum – about 64,000kg), it's most likely that the molten material seen flowing from the building is molten aluminium. Truthers believe however, that molten aluminium is a silvery colour, like mercury, and does not glow orange.

To debunk this one, simply run a Google image search for 'molten aluminum'. The results shows multiple images of the stuff, glowing an orange-ish colour. The search even brings up a diagram, showing the colour of aluminium at different temperatures. What's interesting is that at 980*C (the temperature at which jet fuel burns), aluminium glows light orange, just as shown in the video."

That is NOT inconsistent with the hypothesis presented by the two engineers in last night's programme!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 04:33 AM

I didn't see the programme, Shimrod, but the fact that it was on Channel 5 says a good deal...

There's a LOT of information that suggests the aluminium hypothesis is wrong. Try starting here

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 04:15 AM

There was an interesting programme, on UK TV last night, about 9/11. There is, of course, a widespread conspiracy ... errr ... hypothesis that after the aircraft hit, the twin towers were destroyed in controlled explosions (for some sinister reason or other). But two engineers had independently concluded that the presence of aluminium, from the two aircraft, had not been taken into account in the reports on the atrocity. Apparently, if molten aluminium comes into contact with water it is highly explosive (it forms aluminium oxide and hydrogen). The engineers suggested that conditions within the buildings, following the crashes, could have been right to produce molten aluminium and there was plenty of water present from building services and sprinkler systems. They showed that if such explosions did occur they would have been powerful enough to bring them down the two towers. Nevertheless, their request to the US authorities to examine retained wreckage for evidence in support of their HYPOTHESIS was turned down Now that's a bit sinister!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Musket
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 03:23 AM

Or put another way, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Tall tales aren't necessarily black lies. A lovely verse from The Little Pot Stove.

"Fireman Paddy works with me
On the engines frozen cold
A stranger to the truth is he
There is no lie he hasnt told.

He told us of his gold mines
And the hearts that he had won
His crazy sense of humour shone
Just like a ray of sun."

An old workmate used to claim he had proof that we never went to the moon, that microwave ovens were a gift from aliens (this being years before Men in Black used it in their script!) and that Harold Wilson was born in Moscow.

But he was harmless. Daft, yes, but harmless.

With the Internet thingy and general dumbing down of intellect judging by what I see if I'm daft enough to turn the telly on for anything other than football, Dr Who, Top Gear or Wheeler Dealers, conspiracy theories can grow legs.

That would never do. Sheffield Utd fans can't separate fact from fiction as it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 11:10 PM

I personally suspect (note-not 'believe') that many conspiracy theories are glommed onto because they are just more interesting than the truth.
Then... there are folks who believe almost anything that suggests 'they'... the government, the aliens, the Commies, the [insert racial/ethnic/religious group], the media...etc... are out to control everything.
(Then of course, there are those who write books 'exposing' secrets and milk the theory for years.)

I can understand the concern over some events and the possibility that some important facts are hidden, but I cannot easily understand why folks refuse to accept clear and reasonable explanations from experts and seem to prefer wild 'what-ifs' from armchair guessers. MY 'theory' is that some people just ...like?... to analyze and gossip about it all, and it keeps them busy & interested.

(trying to think of any famous conspiracy theories that were borne out... I suppose there must be a couple)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 11:01 PM

BWL, it is my firm belief that ALL of the Rolling Stones have been buried - but then somebody dug them up.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 10:20 PM

The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the one required to explain why Keith Richards is not dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 09:07 PM

Elvis ain't dead. Neither is Marilyn Monroe or Jimi Henrix or Janis Joplin or JFK. They -- along with everyone was said to have died in Vietnam, the crew of the USN Thresher and the USN Seawolf -- are cryogenically frozen in a Top Secret Base in Iceland. If the US is every really threatened they will be thawed out and be ready to go -- two nuclear subs, about six divisions of battle-trained troops, a good leader, and top-notch entertainers for the USO. John Wayne and Roy Rogers are also there.

Don't tell anyone or the Black Helicopters from the UN will come and take you off to you know where for you wouldn't know how long.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:00 PM

Come off it, Ed. Elvis ain't dead. Why, I saw him down the chippie last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: olddude
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 03:40 PM

My theory, if we keep tearing a piece of paper smaller and smaller and smaller.. A terrible explosion would eventually occur

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy theories
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 02:39 PM

""Legal Showdown: Swedish Woman Claims She Is The True Daughter Of Elvis Presley, Not Lisa Marie!: In a shocking new report that will blow everyone away, the Lisa Marie Presley America has grown to know as Elvis' only daughter may not actually be who she says she is! 
A Swedish woman named Lisa Johansen, a married mother-of-four with a law degree, is claiming that she was switched at age nine "for security reasons," The National ENQUIRER is reporting. Although Presley's lawyers have blasted Johansen's, 43, claims, The ENQUIRER has reviewed exclusive photos of the woman claiming to be the King's daughter interacting with members of the Presley family.
But the legal battle that Johansen has started isn't her only one. She is also embattled in a legal dispute with the publisher of her memoir, I, Lisa Marie: The True Story of Elvis Presley's Real Daughter, after reportedly refusing a DNA test even though she allegedly received $200,000 for the tell-all. The Swedish woman claims she was born Feb. 1, 1968, to "Priscilla Ann Beaulieu and Elvis Aaron Presley." She describes her childhood as a "fairy tale with my father as the king and myself as the pampered princess," The ENQUIRER reports.""


After Elvis died, Johansen told The ENQUIRER that she remembers very little until Beaulieu allegedly whisked her away to Europe. (Conspiracy, Source: The National Enquirer, Aug 2014)