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Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale

GUEST,andrew bushmill 22 Nov 14 - 10:05 PM
mayomick 23 Nov 14 - 07:50 AM
GUEST,John P 23 Nov 14 - 11:02 AM
GUEST,andrew bushmill 23 Nov 14 - 02:15 PM
GUEST 23 Nov 14 - 03:32 PM
vectis 23 Nov 14 - 09:44 PM
Reinhard 24 Nov 14 - 02:18 AM
Tradsinger 24 Nov 14 - 09:09 AM
GUEST,John P 24 Nov 14 - 10:29 AM
Tradsinger 24 Nov 14 - 12:17 PM
GUEST,Rahere 24 Nov 14 - 01:23 PM
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Subject: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST,andrew bushmill
Date: 22 Nov 14 - 10:05 PM

Question about the melody for Bring us in Good Ale. Chappell Vol I p 42 gives a melody of six phrases, while the lyrics have two phrases per verse plus two phrases per chorus. On the Summer Solstice LP, Maddy Prior sings the verses to the third and fourth phrases of Chappell's melody, the chorus to the fifth and sixth phrases, and omits the first two phrases entirely. Do other performers do the same thing? Are there examples of a performer using all six phrases of Chappell's melody? Thanks for any light to be shed.


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 07:50 AM

No idea, but I suspect all your "phrases" business may be just an excuse for a bit of early winter solstice wassailing this year at Mudcat ,Andrew.


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 11:02 AM

I've never heard the chorus, which you are referring to as the first two phrases, used for Bring Us In Good Ale. Many years ago, though, I recorded the Christmas carol version, The Salutation of the Angel. It's really an Annunciation song more than a Christmas song. You can hear a little piece of it at CD Baby; unfortunately the clip doesn't include any of the chorus in question. When we recorded it we had found a version in Chappell's Old English Popular Music that goes from 3/4 time to 4/4 in the sixth measure of the chorus.

My favorite thing about Salutation of the Angel is how Mary tells the angel that she's a virgin after being told she's going to give birth: "By what manner should I child bear, the which, ever a maid, have lived chaste all my life past and never man assayed?"


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST,andrew bushmill
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 02:15 PM

thanks John. That tortured wording reminds of the way they "versified" Psalm 23 in the Bay Psalm Book of 1640:

The Lord to me a shepherd is,
    Want therefore shall not I,
He in the folds of tender grass
    Doth make me down to lie   

To waters calm he gently leads
    Restore my soul doth he
He doth in paths of righteousness
    For his names sake lead me.   
   
Yea though in valley of death's shade
    I walk none ill I'll fear,
Because thou art with me, thy rod,
    and staff my comfort are.   

For me a table thou hast spread
    In presence of my foes;
Thou dost annoint my head with oil
    My cup it over-flows.   

Goodness and mercy surely shall
    All my days follow me;
And in the Lord's house I shall dwell
    So long as days shall be.


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 03:32 PM

Take it from me that of all the people who have heard the song at all, 95% only know the Maddy Prior version(s) perhaps done by different people (and why not, she was good and it's a good song). John P's tune is the same, with the needle jumping a bit. I don't know who Chappell is unless he's the unsporting bastard who used to captain Australia. So how about a link to MP3's Midis, or just plain dots images of the phrases?


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: vectis
Date: 23 Nov 14 - 09:44 PM

Is the "bring us in good ale" you are referring to the one nicknamed the vegetarians' drinking song?


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: Reinhard
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 02:18 AM

This is a facsimile of the page in question: Chappell's Bring Us in Good Ale


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: Tradsinger
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 09:09 AM

I challenge Guest's assertion that 95% of people only know the Maddy Prior version. I listened to it and must confess the tune is a new one on me. The 'usual' version, which a lot of people sing in the folk and medieval world, is the one linked to Reinhard's post above and here is a good rendition of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MygTl9WIcxo. Our medieval group "Waytes and Measures regularly performs this song.

Tradsinger


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 10:29 AM

Uh, Tradsinger, the melody in the YouTube you posted is the same as the Maddy Prior version and the same as both the Chappell books referenced above.

Here's a link to the other Chappell version I mentioned.


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: Tradsinger
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 12:17 PM

Oh, sorry. I looked up a Carnival Band version which had a different tune.


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Subject: RE: Tune Discussion: Bring us in Good Ale
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 01:23 PM

The CB play a 15th Century tune, which is in this year's Carols and Capers playlist, so you can go hear it live. And for our blessed Lady's sake, get the mash on now...


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