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BS: Casual sexism

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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 10:24 PM

Martins were established in 1833.....but that too, is a different story...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 08:47 PM

It wasn't a pine marten.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 05:49 PM

Sorry Greg....didn't mean to contradict you or be a smart arse.
Interesting to learn about the Fisher, I had never heard of it.

Martins are quite common here but are rarely seen except during the hours of darkness

When visiting my wife in hospital lately, one came up to the glass door and peered into the visitors area, standing on his hind legs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 12:47 PM

M-"Mad Carlota" was name given to the woman in the portrait in "Vertigo", a film that I know you like. Her back story was a fictionalized version of a part of the real Carlota's story--

Her soubriquet is an example of your "casual sexism", she was actually the driving force behind Maximillian--she was determined to be a benevolent monarch: a radical reformer, she was reputed to be fearless, built hospitals, worked tirelessly for the poor, and actually took over Max's role as regent much of the time, She was much involved in directing the military efforts in the ongoing war with the insurgents, and was a formidable diplomat. She was on a mission to France to confront Napoleon III and demand that he restore military support when Max was captured and executed.

At this point, she had a rather public breakdown, and has been generally tagged with the stereotypical "madwoman" label, rather than regarded for either her efforts or her talents and intellect.

Incidentally, she was the daughter of King Leopold I--Marie Charlotte Amelie Augustine Victoire Clementine Leopoldine of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha--


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 11:05 AM

The animal's name is the pine marten. In Great Britain it is very rare except in some parts of the Scottish Highlands. Even so, the total population probably numbers fewer than 5000. Someone around here is getting their mammals confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 10:04 AM

We USAsians have pine martins too, Ake - the Fisher is a larger, different critter. And they're both members of the weasel family mustelidae.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 08:27 AM

I'm sorry Michael, I was quoting Ebbie....should have made that clear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 07:37 AM

What, in the UK, is a 'checkbook'? The thing I carry is a chequebook.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:45 AM

"(On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?)"

A few of my suppliers will not accept card payments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:21 AM

Stim -- Can't get point of your ref to me in your post about Maximilien & "Mad Carlotta" 2 days ago. Enlighten if feel like it, but no big deal if not.

Regards

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:14 AM

Spooky point, the local gamekeeper caught one and put it in a metal box overnight intending to "rehabilitate" it in the morning.
The box was locked and only 10mm air holes in the lid. When he unlocked the box the Martin was gone!!   true story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:09 AM

That beast isn't a weasel,

It's called a Pine Martin here in the UK,
We have loads of the little buggers, they break into hen houses and kill the chickens.. :0(.

Sorry I haven't been following this thread just had a look at Greg's link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 05:22 AM

Didn't say it did, GregF. We were talking about the Mexican Cession--the massive area that was ceded to the US in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo at end of the Mexican-American War-this acquisition did not include Texas--The Republic of Texas entered the Union as a slave state in 1845, after breaking away from Mexico in 1836(but you know that).

It is true that the war was connected to the claim that the Rio Grande was Texas' southern border--you can call that a land grab if you want (an arguable point because the population was mostly Anglo and self-identified as Texans), I don't want to fight about it, they all ready did that.      

For anyone who cares:About the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 03:04 PM

Speaking about Texas:


The sexes in texas-in a song 


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 02:52 PM

slavery was effectively kept out by the compromise of 1850

Sorry, Stim, time for you to hit the books & review your basic U.S. history - the "Compromise of 1850" didn't keep slavery out of Texas. And the "Wilmot Proviso" never went into effect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:46 PM

Britain apologies for sexist game 


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

Actually, slavery was effectively kept out by the compromise of 1850, but it is more fun to say "Wilmot Proviso".


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

Time for your nap, Goofus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:42 AM

Greggie: "Well, that makes it OK then, dunnit Goofus? Johnnie hit me first!"

Yeah, and in 1492 Columbus discovered America from the Indians...BTW, were the Native Americans Conservatives or Liberals??
Political nutcases are SO-O-O-O 'concerned' selectively. Next, you'll be saying that the massacre at Wounded Knee was to further a political agenda, so it was OK!...a bright spot in American history, to advance where YOU are now!!

Just a thought.....try it, it won't hurt!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:17 AM

Sort Code and Account Number. And your name's on the cheque, as is the name and address of your bank!

Yup Rob, none of which a hacker in Dumbfuckistan has access to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:16 AM

So was the Spanish invasion of Mexico....and the British invasion of what is now America....and on and on and on.

Well, that makes it OK then, dunnit Goofus? Johnnie hit me first!


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:00 AM

Greg F: On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?

Plenty of folks who don't care to provide hackers with easy access to their account information and enable identity theft, for one.



Bwah ha ha ha ....what do you think that line of numbers across the bottom of your cheques contains?

Let's see: Sort Code and Account Number. And your name's on the cheque, as is the name and address of your bank! Which is more information than the recipient of my money gets when I do a "Fast Pay" internet bank transfer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 11:59 PM

Greg: "The U.S. / Mexican War was a fabricated land grab, however you want to try to whitewash it."

So was the Spanish invasion of Mexico....and the British invasion of what is now America....and on and on and on. So is Putin in the Ukraine....how come you 'so-called liberals' have 'selective attention spans'??...sorta like "You can't live up to your double standards"!
You forgot the global corporate oligarchies vs the nationalists, eh??

Just keeping you straight there, young feller...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 05:08 PM

Better check your history books, Stim - the Wilmot Proviso was blocked in Congressand never took effect.

The U.S. / Mexican War was a fabricated land grab, however you want to try to whitewash it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 04:03 PM

Give a man a bag of coal and he'll be warm for the night.

Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 02:49 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Aztecs were considerably more brutal than the Spanish. And besides that, we (kind of) paid for the Mexican Cession, which, not that anyone really cares, had been part of Spain for three hundred odd years, and only part of Mexico for about thirty years, and was thinly populated, mostly by people who were neither Spanish nor Mexican. And, as GUEST^*^ points out, there was the Wilmot Proviso. So only Texas had slaves. And, say what you want, we helped the Mexicans get rid of the French(though poor Emperor Maximillian was as enlightened and progressive as Benito Juarez, and didn't get the fact that he was a a puppet of Napoleon III, and not the liberator of the Mexican people).

I mention this only because MGM is active in this thread, and I thought he'd appreciate mention of Maximillian because his wife was the real "Mad Carlotta", which I may have pointed out before...but we are all getting older, aren't we?


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 02:07 PM

Apropos of absolutely nothing, the following couplet popped into my head today as I was looking at a coffee cup

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,
But give the fish a bicycle and the fish might get away.


My wife reckoned that this might count as a casually sexist subversion of certain types of feminism. She approved of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 07:52 AM

Actually Mexicans are descendants of the indigenous people as well as the Spanish conquerors, in many cases of both. The Spanish were brutal but less consistently genocidal than the Anglos.

One aspect where traditional hispanic culture is less sexist is when it comes to married and parental names. Whereas in the English speaking tradition a married woman is expected to adopt the husband's name, and even where she retains her own name, the children are almost certain to take the father's, in the Spanish tradition traditionally the woman retains her name, and the children will use both names, or whichever parents name they choose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 11:47 PM

'GUEST, ^*^' makes a great point...after all, the Spanish speaking Mexico, are descendants of the Spanish conquerors....no word from the actual natives....which all goes to prove, if your going to conquer and take over people's lands, you better take care of your people there....but that was never the intention...gold was....sorta like 'liquid gold' of today....but that's another story....almost.

GfS

Oh, P.S...Greg, you were the one who is...'sweep it under the rug, nothing to see here.......'

"So-called liberals' don't have much vision, trying to look out of their box...truth just becomes an unwanted and rejected opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 10:37 PM

Put the question to Margaret Atwood. I heard her on the Diane Rehm Show today, and a question came up about this generation of feminism. She said this is the third wave - the first were the "get the vote" suffragists, the second wave was (most strongly) from about 1968 through the 1970s. And today's young women are looking at some of the same issues as the past generation, but are also pushing harder on equal wages and perception shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:39 AM

That's right, Guest, move along, sweep it under the rug, nothing to see here.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:35 AM

Everything was stolen from someone at some point, the Spanish speaking part of Mexico used to be Indigenous nations. The slavery is gone (on paper), there was a long and proper debate about slavery in the US when the US Mexico War was looming (look up the Wilmot Proviso). Moving along.

Is "casual sexism" referring to the accepted status quo as it is represented today, with very little pushback? Young women today explaining why they don't need to be feminists because they can do everything they want to forget the battles their mothers fought for this to be so. They shouldn't have to live in their mother's shadows, but as they discover their own sexist battles to fight, they need to know their mothers still have their backs. Because the struggle their mothers have right now is that women get older they become invisible to the culture and that is just about as bad as being a sexualized object. Except Helen Mirren - she's still out there kicking ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:15 AM

Read that as "the conquered Mexican territories that were stolen by the U.S. in order to expand slavery."


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 08:19 AM

I might actually agree with GfS if the southern border returned to is proper place between the Anglophone US and the conquered Mexican territories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 03:52 AM

Silly white boys with too much time on their hands, so they entertain politically correctness under a microscope...and, of course, the liberal thinking is to let the southern border pour forth bazillion LATIN Americans...they speak Spanish..a Romantic language derived from LATIN...where in Latin and Spanish(and French and Portuguese, among others, every noun is either male or female, preceded is 'El' or 'La', and ending in a 'O' or 'A', depending on the gender.......so now ya' might as well start figuring out how to correct their language, so suit your 'Sensitivities to Political Correctness'.

Rolls eyes...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 09:16 AM

On sensitivity, from the Red Green TV Show:

""Red tries to get Dalton to guess the word 'Sensitive.'
Red Green: Alright... aware.
Dalton Humphries: Sober.
Red Green: Touchy.
Dalton Humphries: Feely.
Red Green: Touchy-feely.
Dalton Humphries: Richard Simmons?
Red Green: Compared to you, your wife is more...
Dalton Humphries: Overweight.
Red Green: Emotionally, she's more...
Dalton Humphries: Weepy!
Red Green: No, she notices things more, because she's...
Dalton Humphries: Picky.
Red Green: You would never say to your wife that she's picky, overweight or weepy because...
Dalton Humphries: Castration?
Red Green: The vertical hold on your television set.
Dalton Humphries: Sensitive.""


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 01:07 PM

Didn't God tell Adam that there would be beautiful women in every corner of the world ..... the she made the world round


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 10:34 AM

This preschool squabble is really getting very boring.
..........
These kind of discussions (leaving aside the tantrums) remind me of the time my colleagues at work, all female, were talking about men and getting a bit critical, and I'm getting on with my work, and one turns to me and says "Sorry, Kevin. We never think of you as being a man!"

I took it in the sense it was meant, as a kind of compliment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:59 AM

Oh, forgot, MGM, last post was a :), not a :(


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:53 AM

More of an explosion Michael, as in "Gone Fission"


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:51 AM

Nope (he said not taking the bait).
Just have no desire to take such stuff so seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:44 AM

So did you think this mini-dispute liable to create a 'fisher' in the thread, then, Ed?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:43 AM

Man cold?


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 06:53 AM

My Fisher Price link only related to the mini dispute that was going on at the time, which seemed to be over taking the discussion.Nothing more, except it contained the word Fisher;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 05:14 AM

Ed
Was your Fisher Price example prompted by the colour-coded clothing of the model, or the text which deals with a real difference (nothing sexist about the object, just practical)


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 03:02 AM

Still -- most grovelling of apologies, Ms Gallus, if you really are offended by my out'n'out presumptuous sexism. Peccavi·o·peccavi! I fear it may be down·the·garden·to·eat·worms time again!!!....



≈M·the·o·so·penitent≈≈

teeheeheeheeheehee...


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 01:34 AM

Good grief!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:25 PM

--- and as for Ed T's knitting in the lunch break story -- why wait to be invited? Should've just brought his knitting in and joined them.
(our local school had a -male - teacher who did lunchtime knitting as a hobby, learned from his father who had been a lighthouse keeper.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:00 PM

Nice one, Gallus! Actually, the tutor was female. I didn't mention it because I didn't want to be accused of sexist stereotyping by saying something like "... and the woman tutor
would every now and again call out..." which would have contained an irrelevant reference to her gender.


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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 08:48 PM

MGM's response to Steve's story about the typing class was sexist in assuming that the tutor was female.
(there were several male business studies/typing teachers in our local school over the years)


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