BS: Ronald Reagan said ...

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Nov 16 - 03:23 PM

And talking of the future:

the US Presidential Election this month, to paraphrase Yogi Berra, "[won't be] over 'til it's over." This is obvious to me once my emotions are gently put to one side, permitting me to think calmly. The actual election night will not be the end. Nor even the day after. Not even speaking of the results and consequences that follow from the vote: I mean the vote itself.

The election has been such a terribly contentious thing, that the voting and the accounting are going to be questioned, contested, and wrangled over. It's only a matter of how long the proceedings will be drawn out, and what it will take for people to decide that the matter is settled.

Over in astrology-land, astrologer Michael Lutin has predicted that the big watershed event in November will be its full moon: and this comes maybe a week or so AFTER election day. Will people still be coming to terms with the election at the time of the November full moon? You don't have to take astrology seriously to see that.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Stu
Date: 02 Nov 16 - 07:46 AM

"the Future is going to hit us hard"

Absolutely, and if people actually knew how hard they would be very, very worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: skarpi
Date: 02 Nov 16 - 07:04 AM

Have I ever doubt Science , yes I have , I once said if the Science is so fucking great , why are we still using Gas , Gasoline , Diesel and Black oil ? ....well I later found out it is controlled by those who control and have the money ...they won´t let go , and while they won´t the Earth is calling a warning words for us Humans ...and we don´t listen

Science may not be something you believe in , but I always wonder what changed when Reagan said that they would not go forward with the space program , or ....maybe they did , without telling us ..because they did not want the public to know ..?

Well are there a Black Science ? and also would they have knowledge to make Cigar shape Craft´s ( well maybe we should not doubt Science ) ....I know this sound´s like out of an Si Fiction movie ...but I believe that Human Science to day have the knowledge to do this , the so called Black Government is holding back this knowledge , for ever what reason I have no idea ...

for those who are still looking for 3 trillion US dollars that can´t be found after 9/11 in Pentagon ..may be you should look there , well the Human´s have been lied too , about life on earth in the past , the Vatican say only what they want you to know and they want you to Believe and then there are they who control the Media and tell you only not the truth ...
and also the Government ´s of this world , but some are starting to tell the truth , like many of your Astronaut´s ...

so what ever I believe or you Believe ...the truth is out there ,
what ever the truth is ,
a man once said in a foreign country ,
When you start telling lie and you do it often enough people start to believe , but when the lie become the truth , the truth become a lie ...but always in the End the truth will come back to you and it will hit you hard ..

so I look forward to the Future , I have only few years to live ..about 50 more years or so ...the Future is going to hit us hard , so be ready ..


All the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Iains
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 03:39 PM

Penny S. You are totally correct, Thanks for correcting my mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 09:58 AM

Iains, I think you will find that what Shoemaker-Levy hit was Jupiter. Doesn't spoil the argument, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Stu
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 09:45 AM

It's the basis for a moral code that is based around compassion and tolerance regardless, without condition. Like Sagan said, it's love.*


*and science provides the foundation for this deep understanding of our oneness with the cosmos. It's beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 09:10 AM

I've always liked that idea. And just think: if we're the only life in the universe, we are the whole consciousness and the whole intelligence of the universe. I've always thought that we need to invent a reason why we're here, and contemplating all this via science feeding the imagination is as good a reason as any. The most magical thing of all is reality (thanks, Richard Dawkins).

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 09:09 AM

You disdain me for being a creationist

No, pete, I disdain you for being an ignorant idiot who has not a clue about his own limitations.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Stu
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 08:09 AM

So when you're lying there looking at the milky way, the stars and shooting stars remember that you are the universe made conscious contemplating itself and it's true nature. How beautiful and profound is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 05:14 AM

Creationists who don't shut up about it deserve abuse. They constitute a menace that holds back education and promotes divisions. Your main limitation is that you don't know what science is about and you refuse to listen when you're told. You have a very peculiar way of "admitting it." It certainly doesn't come with any degree of humility, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 03:13 AM

One difference between you and me Greg, is that I admit my limitations , whereas you are claiming to know what you are talking about , but never seem to say anything that constitutes a scientific or logical argument . You disdain me for being a creationists, but your only argument is abuse. For all I know , you might be highly qualified , but I cannot remember any posts from you that evidence that !

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 05:19 PM

Pete, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, less of a clur about science, and no clue at all about "tantrums" - other than those you throw yourself.

Long past time you were in bed so the adults here can get on with the conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Iains
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 03:12 PM

I have spent 45 years as a scientist looking at data. Occasionally the data sets upset established ideas. As an example: In geology uniformitarianism was once held to be the norm. However multiple impacts on Venus by the Shoemaker Levy comet demonstrated that the universe is not always the placid place we have taken it to be and our planet has been hit multiple times. This event clearly demonstrated that our accepted ideas were in need of rapid revision. This is one of the ways that science works and changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 02:56 PM

Stick to singing hymns, why don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 02:40 PM

Science may not be something you believe in, but a lot of people do, and discuss the data without throwing a tantrum .

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 09:11 AM

Plenty of flat-earthers still out there today, Ians. You one of 'em?

PS: as pete has had repeatedly explained to him, Science is not something one 'believes in".

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Iains
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 03:09 AM

scientific consensus once held the world was flat and that alchemy was a legitimate branch of science. Scientific thought is the constant stumbling from one paradigm to another. Who believes in phlogiston today?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 01:22 AM

Irrespective it did not warrant the response you posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 02:14 PM

rational and reasoned debate

From pete, T-Bird? You must be confused. Or blind.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 01:44 PM

I didn't say he succeeded. Responding doesn't mean you're "wound up."

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 11:32 AM

So don't get wound up.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 07:56 AM

Another example of Steve's "second sight"?    :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 07:15 AM

He's made that "point," provocatively and brainlessly, a hundred times on this forum before. The way he talks about science and scientists here is extremely rude and extremely ignorant. He is not "making a point." He is trying to wind people up.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 06:29 AM

Greg F. - 29 Oct 16 - 06:00 PM

An example of what passes for rational and reasoned debate on this forum Shaw? But instead of condemning it you would rather criticise someone who was contributing and making a point.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 05:58 AM

A full stop too many there.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 04:51 AM

It isn't very nice to see science dissed by ignorant religionists either, actually, Bob. Trolling. behaviour by any measure.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: BobL
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 03:38 AM

Greg,

Please be nice or go away.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 06:35 PM

Once again, Ake - he can believe what he wants, but it ain't fuckin "science" or even objective reality.

Get over it, both of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 06:08 PM

Greg....I don't bother about your tantrums, but Pete is a practicing Christian and you have no right to insult his beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 06:00 PM

Pete, you don't have a fucking clue what science is or how it operates so take your god-bothering idiocy and wedge it up your arse.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 05:20 PM

Certainly agree Steve with the saving suggestions, but you know what I say about consensus science; it ain't science. It is merely the pervading belief, and scientific consensus had been wrong in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 02:54 PM

"And, by the way, belief doesn't enter into this. It's what we call a scientific consensus."

I don't agree, one requires "belief" in humanity to make the sacrifices involved worthwhile.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 12:51 PM

Well taking a dip in living standards could mean driving a more economical car, car-sharing, turning the heating down a degree, consuming locally-produced seasonal food instead of apples in June from the other side of the world, having windows that open to cut down on the aircon, getting the government to insulate all our houses instead of paying a fortune to already-rich Tory landowners to put up ugly and inefficient windmills...a dip, eh? So where's the pain, Pete? And, by the way, belief doesn't enter into this. It's what we call a scientific consensus.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 12:28 PM

Certainly those who believe climate change is largely man made will gladly take a dip in their living standards to alleviate the great peril. And very commendable too . Meanwhile al gore and some other alarmists as well have made a lovely fat living out of it .

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 11:24 AM

Who is willing to accept falling living standards for the middle classes

You may not have noticed, Ake, but living standards for the middle classes have been plummeting all across the board since the policies of Reagan and Thatcher were implemented.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 06:53 AM

"...and when did you see a fog that lasted more than a morning?"

You clearly don't live in north Cornwall, do you? 😉

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 04:36 AM

You are absolutely correct Mr R

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 04:33 AM

No-one. But who is going to be able to avoid it?

It is bigger than us and we are its progenitor!

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 04:29 AM

Yup! well said, but to change the present attack on the environment means a huge change in society.   Who is willing to accept falling living standards for the middle classes....the prospect of less personal "freedom", fewer personal "rights" etc?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: skarpi
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 04:29 AM

well we all live on Earth , witch is in the Milky way Galaxy so we are all aliens , one type of many ...

have a great time while it last
all the best Skarpi ICeland .

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 04:15 AM

My take on climate change usually refers back to London in the Victorian era. Turner & Whistler painted the evidence. Smog.

The Thames was so poluted no fish had survied for years. Nothing was done until parliament had to put rags soaked in disinfectant at the windows to hide the smell, an event called the "Big Stink".
Suddenly vast sums of money were made available.

In the 1950s smog was a big deal in the UK, then came the "clean air act" and when did you see a fog that lasted more than a morning? Let alone a photochemical smog that halted all the buses and turned day into night. And prevented politicians from getting home!

The moral? You have to get up the noses of politicians for anything to be done!

We have that alien terror now. But it wears an invisibility cloak and it's father is us! Are we afraid of our own shadow?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: BobL
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 03:39 AM

Humanity does have a common threat, albeit not from an alien source. It's called climate change.

Does anyone think our differences will vanish if & when it really begins to bite? More likely that internal & international squabbles over territory, water management and mass migration will intensify to the point where civilisation itself breaks down. At least I won't live to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 12:15 AM

Not this time!

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 16 - 04:54 PM

Republicans have selected useful idiots for over 100 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Oct 16 - 01:32 PM

Ronald Reagan said a lot of stuff - all written for him by someone else and all read off a tele-prompter.

He was our one and only official grade-B actor demented puppet "president" (whose hand was up his back is a whole different subject) - and not being satisfied with that disaster, now a "reality television" (oxymoron)star is primped (or pimped??) for the presedency.

George Santayana was right - in spades.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: skarpi
Date: 28 Oct 16 - 12:38 PM

talking down and doing little out of people is not nice , you are doing little out of all your astronauts .

haha and still you believe in Jesus ....oh my ...

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Oct 16 - 10:11 AM

I've done that Steve. In our last house we had half an acre of garden bordering on farmland. In August I used to lie on a rug and count the shooting stars. You never know from which direction each one will come, so you need to have a wide-angle view and stare straight ahead. I once counted 57. It always struck me as weird that they didn't make a 'whoosh!' sound!
I also saw bats, rats, a handsome fox and some rabbits, all equally startled to see me lying there on the ground in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Oct 16 - 09:50 AM

There is a great scifi short story about a scientist, after watching two women in a catfight unite against a third woman, getting the world of scientists to fake an alien invasion to unite the planet... worked a treat, as I recall.

Meanwhile, Reagan can go fuck himself. He overruled the State Department and restaffed the Beirut embassy with civilians, and didn't allow them to close it till it had been bombed *twice* (where was the outrage then?).

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Oct 16 - 08:09 PM

No danger. He's already ON another planet.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan said ...
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Oct 16 - 08:03 PM

Some of us are of the opinion that a "threat to this world from some other species from another planet" is already here.