BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM

I have always said that if we seek abetter and fairer system in the future, we must do so by including all shades of political opinion, division will make the task impossible.

President Trump and Mr Farage are both anti the current establishment, which has outlived any usefulness it may have had.

The Labour Party are "reformers" as establishment as they come, I have more faith in Mrs May's Conservatives to keep up with what is actually happening in the Western hemisphere.

I am and always will be a socialist but have enough intelligence to understand that socialism will not come about till the time is right, in fact all the old labels are redundant as the new order becomes clear. As I have said before socialism will not be a "pleasant choice", it will be an absolute necessity.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:59 AM

Stick to the Lycra ............................ please!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:40 AM

WTF are you on about poobad?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:23 AM

Hey, he's talking about you, jackals:

I'm calling out the loons who make Israel bashing the mother of all virtues

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:19 AM

How about cling film?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:15 AM

Aaaarrrghghgh !!!

Dave in Lycra ..................not something I want to consider ever again !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:42 AM

Hybrids are the way to go unless you want to do a Wiggins. And no bloody Lycra!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:31 AM

I have just ordered a bike shelter from Amazon. Free up some space in the shed and keep the bikes dry. My bike is a bit of a dinosaur, like me I suppose. May get a new hybrid this year but that presupposes I will be fit enough to ride it!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:17 AM

Sorry to cause you such angst, annoyance, bitterness and frustration, Bill. But, you see, nothing useful is being discussed here apropos of the alleged thread topic. Just you and Keef pushing your agendas. So we may as well diversify. Let's go ride bikes!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:09 AM

Hello Bobad, let's have a look at some of your recent posts shall we.

"and they try to pretend there is no pack ...lolololol"

"your obsession with me says otherwise but you're probably just playing hard to get"

"Hey Shaw, love the self portraits, they capture your essence, if you know what I mean"

"Hypocrisy from a blatant anti-semite? How shocking"

"Come on Jimmy, take defeat like a man"

"Touche Keith"

"Lol... but I am compelled to make it so by some unseen power, must be them dastardly Jews again"

Not what I would think of as erudite and learned.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:41 AM

Very well put Teribus, 08 Mar 17 - 02:14 AM, spot on observation and analysis, you've nailed it in one post.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:22 AM

Sorry, ake. My apologies. It is indeed more complex than I said. You have not described Trump and Farage as socialists. You describe yourself as a socialist and then go on to say you believe that the terrible twosome are doing a good job and admire them even though they are the the epitome of right wing, anti-socialist politicians. If that is not a sign of someone who does not know his arse from his elbow I don't know what is. Excuse me for being confused.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:13 AM

Or see forward to long term outcomes.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:11 AM

Dave, have you been "channelling" Jim?

Where on this forum have I ever said President Donal -John, or Mr Farage, were any kind of socialist?

I expect lies and misrepresentations from Jim, but this is surely a new tactic in YOUR armoury.

I admire people of many different views...one doesn't have to always agree, to respect aspects of character.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:09 AM

It must be very uncomfortable to have one's knickers in a twist all the while.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:19 AM

The subject of this particular thread is: Uk Labour Party discussion II

"If you have nothing to say here, go away" - Jim Carroll

What a great pity it is Jim that you and your pals just don't heed your own advice.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:10 AM

Looks like you are sending the weather up here, Steve. Damn you! Still, it will remain a lot pleasanter than the rank atmosphere here.

Eeeeh, fancy. Ake saying that we look stupid. From a man who believes that Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are the true socialists I would take that as a compliment. If he were to agree with anything I said I would know for certain it was wrong and change my mind immediately :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:03 AM

"Do you people not feel a little ashamed of yourselves? "
Talk to your friend Keith - he has made the most effort to keep this thread alive
It is he who has used this thread to keep up his attack on the left - should suit extremists like yourself right down to the ground
If you have nothing to say here, go away
We'' get enough censorship if your fuehrer Trump ever gets his way
Do you not feel more than a little ashamed of the blanket support you have given him?
Rhetorical question!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 04:21 AM

Well then Shaw I don't think that you are the one that should be bringing up the subject of lies, having been exposed as a proven liar yourself - Pot, kettle, black?

Only trouble is you (Or any of your pals for that matter) can never find or give any examples of lies told by either myself, or anyone else you cast that accusation at.

You must have felt on much safer ground standing in front of a class of school kids who couldn't answer back eh?

One thing that has been sorted out though Shaw - you and your little gang now turn and bolt far faster thanever whenever your "mobbing" attempts are confronted these days. Go ahead chaps huddle together and chatter away inanely on whatever off topic subject you like. As Ake says you just make yourselves look the idiots you undoubtedly are.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:52 AM

If one cannot find anything relevant to say, most adults in that position would move on to another subject which is of interest to them .

Which is exactly what I am doing. Unlike those who repeat the same thing over and over (and over and over and over) again. This stopped becoming a discussion round about post number 1.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:42 AM

"The House of Commons is packed with "jobsworths""
And the Labour exchanges will be packed with the unemployed who will lose their Jobs because the French have bought up Vauxhalls and have nowhere to go because of Brexit
You people......!!!
Tories, every las one of you
Democracy only works when it is helping screw working people - then we need a Trump!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:40 AM

Do you people not feel a little ashamed of yourselves? If one cannot find anything relevant to say, most adults in that position would move on to another subject which is of interest to them .

I notice that the present tactic, thought up by the witty and intelligent Steve, is intended to "sort them out". It fails miserably and makes those who contribute in this manner look extremely and embarrassingly stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:31 AM

Very well said Teribus, and while I have time, did you ever see a more illustrative example of the "liberal elite" in anti democratic action as in the House of Lords yesterday?

The whole charade is simply a cover to deflect and overturn the result of the EU referendum by making the coming negotiations inoperable.
The House of Commons is packed with "jobsworths" who care for little but their own financial future and the Lords amendment brought by a lawyer......for f*** sake!!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:24 AM

Well never mind, Teribus. Just think: the burgeoning spring and the infinite variety of nature on show as the seasons advance mean that we never have to repeat, revisit or rehash the same old tedium and same old lies again and again and again. You say I can't, I say I won't. Had enough, old boy. Say what you like. Unfortunately, Dave, we are not sharing your pleasant weather and colourful outlook this morning. We have heavy drizzle and I can hardly see fifty yards across my garden. But the long-tailed tits are mobbing the feeders and it's going to be one of those days for looking at things nearby. Just going out to chuck a few handfuls of seeds out for the birdies! Jolly! 🙂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:16 AM

Finished with your dishonest claim that accusations of Islamophobia was fukky investigated in any way shape or form by the Tories, Teribus
You do put 'em up to be knocked down, don't you?
Islamophobia is a far greater threat to the well-being of British citizens than antisemitism is, or ever was in recent history.
Britain welcomed Jews fleeing the Nazis, modern day Britain is happy to turn fleeing refugees back into war-zones facilitated by weapons we have sold to terrorist despots.
WE fill our shops with goods manufactured in death-traps by workers working at near slave conditions and wages. and we turn away economic refugees fleeing from the poverty we are helping create.
The West has gone through a long period of dehumanisation during my lifetime, and the main culprit has bot been The Labour Party (New Labour excepted), but the racist and misogynist Tories
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 02:43 AM

Lister Park was covered in a carpet of crocuses this morning. Looks spectacular. Germane? Look up Lister's Mill and the Labour movement :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 02:14 AM

I suppose the reason you are bored Shaw is that any discussion gets tiresome from the point of view of those who cannot bring anything germane to that discussion.

This intelligence and wit that you seem to think you possess only seems to work for you in groups where everyone is in agreement, or under conditions were those you are addressing cannot answer back. Under such circumstances and in such situations it is very easy to fall for and believe your own propaganda.

Unfortunately, you do not get away with it here on the 'cat. Here you have people who are prepared to confront points made by you. In doing so you present your argument in the shape of stereotypes well passed their sell-by-date and worn out ideological clichés. You and your pals are then confronted by detail and fact that for some reason you never, ever seem able to refute or counter - Why is that? You then resort to lies, smears, baseless accusations that are never substantiated and then finally you then subvert the thread by wittering on about whatever comes into your head (I suppose that is the forum equivalent of sticking a finger in each ear and yelling, "La-la-la" very loudly).

You and your pals over the last four years have all but destroyed this forum - that seems to be the only thing you have an aptitude for - Oddly enough, getting back on topic, Corbyn is exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 07:12 PM

Two shocking typos in there. I look for scapegoats. Bloody iPads. Mind you, I could write a 10000-word treatise on "The Proposed Causes Of My Typos" which would be a damn sight more interesting than any posts from Keith 'n' Bill. And that's despite the fact that the said treatise wouldn't even touch on my sex life. Now that would be something.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:44 PM

Wit or intelligence you say? Why, I'm noted for both. But, as I've just been telling Keith on another thread. I'm bored. Very very bored. I'm as bored as a professor of Boredom Studies at the Univesity of Bore in Boring-Next-The-Sea in Tediumshire. The cause? Why, you and Keith! Same old same old same old same old....

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:25 PM

"Only thing is Teribus that none of us ostrichocracy brigade can ever say a damn thing that you won't find a way of contradicting" - Steve Shaw

That Shaw is the essence of discussion/debate (Delete as you see fit)

If you cannot present and then support the points you wish to make then don't bother making them - simple. No need for insults, baseless accusations and smears followed by massive deflections into totally unconnected subjects because you haven't the wit or intelligence to argue your corner.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 01:42 PM

"was investigated and found to be groundless."
Utter crap - there is no evidence that it was ever discussed
Does it matter that it was made by somebodyt outside the party - are the Tories above any criticism
The fforts you have made to probve the non existent Antisemitism in Labour makes you a total hypocrite - your claims taht the Tory accusations make you da dishonest hypocrite
A few months after these accuasitions were made, the Tories were accused of elexction fraud - they weren't investigated either - not part of the Tory cultural "implant" it would seem
"have either Keith A or myself blamed any crime on a "racial/cultural" group as you put it"
Keith has - you seem to have forgottin his "cultural implant"
This timeless gem from Keith
"Paedophilia is not endorsed, but the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took a child bride."
Sort of - "I've nothing against Christianity, but Jesus was a Paedo"
You couldn't make it up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:17 AM

Sorry, mate. My head was in the sand there for a sec...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:11 AM

Speak for yourself Steve, like Groucho Marx I have never wanted to be a member of a club that would have me, and I will say that for all of us.

Cos I can !

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:06 AM

"Only thing is Raggy the lot of you have been trying for years now and you have yet to come up with anything that can contradict any details, figures or facts that we have used in argument against the crap posted by such as yourself."

Only thing is Teribus that none of us ostrichocracy brigade can ever say a damn thing that you won't find a way of contradicting for ideological, bitterness or jealousy reasons (and guess what you're going to say next!). So we're getting to the point at which we find ourselves to be less and less arsed as time goes by. And yes! WE! US!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:01 AM

I sense a slight change there from Vicars and Teachers do not have a culture to not having a culture that is "commonly understood"

Make your mind up.

All groups have a culture the police, the armed forces, that set of lads in the pub on a Saturday night and teachers and vicars.

Now given that teachers and vicars are commonly found to have abused children it begs the question is it part of their culture.

Given that I only know of one person on this forum who has both been a teacher and is a practicing Christian maybe he could tell us if it is part of his culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 09:54 AM

"Needless to say when other people checked his findings he had deliberately skewed the figure to back up his assumptions.

Sort of thing you and the professor do." - Raggy

Only thing is Raggy the lot of you have been trying for years now and you have yet to come up with anything that can contradict any details, figures or facts that we have used in argument against the crap posted by such as yourself.

Vicars and Teachers still do not constitute what is commonly understood to be a "culture" - no matter how much you waffle on Raggy - what were you doing at that college in Oxford Raggy? Cleaning the corridors? For someone who keeps telling us all about his supposed education you show very little signs of showing any grasp of detail or of being able to muster any sort of counter argument in debate/discussion (Delete as you see fit).

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 08:14 AM

Correction.

The research I was referring to was about the working class population of Britain. (Professor Cyril Burt)

Other research has been used to claim a racial inferiority of Black Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 07:58 AM

Unsurprisingly your knowledge of sociology is as limited as your knowledge of anything even vaguely academic. A typical response from an uneducated oaf ........... I don't understand it, it must be crap. Thus your inclusion of it in "Liberal left wing socialists"

If you could understand it you would find that a culture can be defined in many ways and for many groups, e.g. a nation of people or a group who meet down the pub on a Friday night.

I don't expect you to be able to understand it nor to realise there are some right wing sociologist even one who claimed that the Black American population were educationally inferior.

Needless to say when other people checked his findings he had deliberately skewed the figure to back up his assumptions.

Sort of thing you and the professor do.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 07:33 AM

Don't tell him, Pike!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 07:24 AM

"Ignoring the facts of tehse crimes and blaming it on a racial/cultural group makes you and Keiuth the racists that you are"

My prediction here is that the question I am about to ask will go unanswered as so many have done before but here goes anyway:

When Sherlock have either Keith A or myself blamed any crime on a "racial/cultural" group as you put it? I certainly know that both Keith A and myself have quoted various spokespersons from the British Muslim community who very publicly have asked the question as to why there seems to be a disproportionate number of perpetrators from a specific group among the 125 men convicted, but that was as far as it goes, their question still remains unanswered (It was that question that Keith A asked for comments on).

One single post of mine where I apportioning blame will suffice.

I believe that the complaint related to Islamophobia directed at the Conservative Party that was made by a member of the British Council of Muslims was investigated and found to be groundless. This was a complaint by someone outside the Conservative Party as opposed to the complaints of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party that were made by Jews who were members of the Labour Party.

Oh Raggy - Culture in the context we are talking about:

the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society:
e.g. - "Afro-Caribbean culture" · "people from many different cultures"

synonyms: civilization · society · way of life · lifestyle · customs · traditions · heritage · habits · ways · mores · values"

Sorry Raggy Vicars and Teachers ain't listed. Vicars and Teachers are not in themselves "a particular people or society"

By the way Raggy is it typical of "liberal Left wing socialists" who are supposed to respect worth, equality and the dignity of labour to denigrate fellow workers as, how did you put it? - dead beats and no-hopers - as you have done on another thread. But there again Raggy you are only the "little Sir Echo" of that other champion of the left - Jim Carroll - who believes that people should "know their place" and that there is such a thing as a "pecking order". Hypocrites and liars seem to be the qualifications for your little band.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 06:16 AM

The is a crude racist dejavu aspect to all this
Both of these right-wing fanatics have put in a great deal of effort trying to prove that the actions of several hundred criminals means that an entire population of a million and a half people are infected with a trend to rape underage girls
Just like all those "darkies" over here to take our women and jobs
Their attitude to racism is transparently politically motivated.
The Labour party is accused of racism - howls in support, despite the lack of basic evidence = "We accuse you of being a thief, but we are not going to tell you what you've stolen".
When the Conservatives are accused of Islamophobia and do nothing about ti - total silence, despite requests to respond.
So their "racism" appears to only be racist when it's carried out by the left.
When the Tories are accused of similar and appoint a racist Foreign Secretary, that's just Tories being Tories.
Wonder where the victims of racism feature in all of this, other than being used as political pawns in a game of racist and right wing extremism?
Keith's disgusting suggestion, far from helping rid Britain of criminals, encourages other crimes such as racial persecution.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:42 AM

Teri, look up the definition of culture.

I think you will find that any group of people can have one, be they teachers or vicars.

OK just this once, just for you.

"As a defining aspect of what it means to be human, culture is a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of phenomena that are transmitted through social learning in human societies. The word is used in a general sense as the evolved ability to categorize and represent experiences with symbols and to act imaginatively and creatively. This ability arose with the evolution of behavioral modernity in humans around 50,000 years ago, and is often thought to be unique to humans, although some other species have demonstrated similar, though much less complex, abilities for social learning. It is also used to denote the complex networks of practices and accumulated knowledge and ideas that is transmitted through social interaction and EXIST IN SPECIFIC HUMAN GROUPS, or cultures, using the plural form. Some aspects of human behavior, such as language, social practices such as kinship, gender and marriage, expressive forms such as art, music, dance, ritual and religion, and technologies such as cooking, shelter and clothing are said to be cultural universals, found in all human societies. The concept of material culture covers the physical expressions of culture, such as technology, architecture and art, whereas the immaterial aspects of culture such as principles of social organisation (including practices of political organization and social institutions), mythology, philosophy, literature (both written and oral), and science make up the intangible cultural heritage of a society.[6]

(ps my emphasis in capitals)

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:32 AM

Got me italicising in a muddle there!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:31 AM

"On-street grooming, abduction, multiple-rape, prostitution, human trafficking, torture."
Caried out by a handful of criminals - nothing to do with a culture - certainly not one which condemns sex outside of marriage
Ignoring the facts of tehse crimes and blaming it on a racial/cultural group makes you and Keiuth the racists that you are

That's precisely it in a nutshell. Well said, Jim. Succinct, to the point. I can't think that anything else needs to be said on this issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:13 AM

OK Raggy I understand that you are incapable of answering even the simplest of questions raised by your "contribution"

1: Islam is a religion practiced by over 1.8 billion people spread throughout the world - there is no such thing as "Muslim" culture.

2: Being a vicar is a job/calling/vocation as such it is supposedly governed by Christian principles and teaching - not a "culture"

3: Being a teacher is a job/profession/vocation there is no specific "culture" among those employed as such.

The only culture you probably ever encountered would be those thriving at the bottom of those pots and pans you did such a poor job of cleaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:12 AM

"On-street grooming, abduction, multiple-rape, prostitution, human trafficking, torture."
Caried out by a handful of criminals - nothing to do with a culture - certainly not one which condemns sex outside of marriage
Ignoring the facts of tehse crimes and blaming it on a racial/cultural group makes you and Keiuth the racists that you are
Ninety odd percent of crimes against children are commited by members of the indideonous culture - making British culture - what exactly?
On-street grooming is an opportunist technique usd by a small number of criminals in a certain situation - no-one has at any time suggested it is a cultural trait, other than those of the rabid right, such as yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 04:57 AM

Well bless my soul, Teri cannot figure out what culture means.

Look it up.

(Mind you, when he has the intelligence you would normally find in a culture in a Petri dish, it is not too surprising.)

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 04:49 AM

What's to understand Raggy - you are, as usual, comparing apples to oranges. As to demonstrating dimness

"Here is yet another, was this person doing the abuse because of "culture" or was he doing it because he was both a TEACHER and a VICAR. Is the culture of these groups responsible."

What groups? What is the "culture" of a vicar or a teacher when it's at home Raggy?

"I would suggest you stay out of the discussion/debate (delete as applicable)and leave it to people who do."

And I would suggest Raggy that you take your own pig-ignorant advice.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 03:38 AM

T, If you do not understand my reference you are even dimmer than I took you to be.

If you don't comprehend this, I would suggest you stay out of the discussion/debate (delete as applicable)and leave it to people who do.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 02:27 AM

What problem would that be Raggy?

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples

On-street grooming, abduction, multiple-rape, prostitution, human trafficking, torture. Those were the catalogue of charges successfully brought against 125 men in eleven English cities. In Rotherham alone it involved over 1,400 victims whose predators were protected by "political correctness" gone mad. When the case in Rotherham broke after years of social services, the local authority and the police "looking the other way" there were over 300 suspects.

Now what "balanced view" are you attempting to illustrate?

According to your link two instances of child abuse over an 18 month period over 30 years ago. Same person found NOT Guilty of a further six instances during the same period.