BS: Time to choose on June 8th-UK Elections

Subject: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 06:59 PM

Many times when it comes to elections there's been precious little to choose. "Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in", "If voting made any real difference, they'd abolish it".

This time it's different. Here's a link to what's been called "possibly the best party political broadcast ever", and I think it is - please have a look at it here

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 07:19 PM

Thank you Kevin. I hadn't seen that. You know I don't need converting, but, had I needed it, it would have done the job. 😢

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 01:13 AM

yes i'd seen it before. jezza as always will get my vote.
however, i shouldn't build your hopes up.

its been a creditable seven weeks. however its unlikely to outweigh two years his fans have spent cussing out the Blairite faction of his own party.

Lets just hope the sky doesn't fall in.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:08 AM

The priority is to keep out the Tories. That means me voting LibDem holding my nose. Even if May wins by a small majority she's doomed. Let's kick the Tories out!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:15 AM

Thank goodness in my constituency Cor-bin can get back into his bin!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:14 AM

Well I see it differently Big Al. But now's not the time for that stuff.

All it takes for the Tories to be defeated is for all the people who are against them to get out and vote. There are more of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:24 AM

I see you are an avid Scum reader Bonzo

Today's headlines

Scroll down to see where Bonzo gets his sparkling wit from...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:20 AM

I wonder what happened to the Doctor's friend Mr Hunt. Do you think he will magically reappear now?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:26 AM

no sadly it means winning 42 marginal seats - getting people who sometimes vote tory to vote labour.

still - lets hope to god i'm totally wrong

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:54 AM

Even if May wins by a small majority she's doomed

Perhaps. Which will really cheese off all those who voted for her as the best to negotiate Brexit. I am sure if that happens the 1922 committee will sympathise.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

Leave it to the Brits to be more rational than Americans who go right when events of terror attempts emerge, The Brits go to the left.
May may be surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Stu
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:39 AM

One can but hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:18 PM

Well bugger me sideways with a bent banana. This is looking good!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:19 PM

Indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:25 PM

yes indeed. take back what i said. i was wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:47 PM

You are stuffed, Theresa. Good riddance!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Ed.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:27 PM

Hmmm, not sure Steve.

I reckon we'll have to wait until 4am at least before we can be gladdened...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:33 PM

I agree early chicken counting is not advised. But Steve's first comment - looking good - I go along with. I reserve the right to revise my mood until, oh, 4am.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:35 PM

Unless she wins by at least 60 she's well stuffed. The hawks are already out with the long knives.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:40 PM

....are we there yet..????


I want to play I spy...

are we there yet...???

I feel sick....

are we there yet......?????

mum she's kicking me..


Are we there yet....???????

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Ed.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:55 PM

I sincerely hope you're right DMcG and Steve.

Time will tell...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 09:02 PM

We're having a bloody brilliant night. If I top my glass up yet again I'll get cirrhosis. I'll give it another hour. The dishwasher's emptied, the diary's written, I've had a shower. All I have to do is to fall into bed happy. Kettle's on.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 09:23 PM

on 2nd bottle of rum, hot chilli crisps from the polish shop...

might even start fist punching the air
which is very over exuberant and out of characer for me..


then i'll wake up in the morning and tories have clung on again...




... or will they...???

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 10:47 PM

Theresa May looked quite upset during her acceptance speech, and it sounded to me that she said the Conservative would seek stability etc etc. Not her. Interesting phrasing, if I am right.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 10:56 PM

im not a vindictive person... but....

Oh please... amber rudd.. smug robotory that she is.. please..

I dont care who beats her... but labour would be preferable..

right.. im off to put the recycle bins out...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:18 PM

I'm finding that I can't go to bed. I've just had a cup of tea and scoffed a random large sprig of leftover broccoli. Have I got cheese I ask myself...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:31 PM

I'm going to bed now. I want to spend the whole of tomorrow watching Tories on the telly looking miserable and squirming. I want to hear Teribus telling us what a disaster this has been. Oh God, I may be as happy as Larry and drinking something fizzy tomorrow evening...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:36 PM

Sleep tight! Tomorrow is another day (or part of this one)

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:43 PM

Toby Young is now on the panel...

this is compulsive cunt watch telly...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 12:08 AM

Another source of fun is watching the PLP anyone-but-Corbyn Crew frantically backpedalling

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 01:02 AM

My ward just announced: Conservatives won by 31 votes. Let no one say their vote doesn't matter!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Allan Conn
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 02:58 AM

North Fife there has been three recounts. Two of the counts gave Lib dems the seat whilst two gave it to the SNP. Finally gone to SNP by I think it is two votes. Lib Dem candidate could be taking further action.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:29 AM

mini maggie has fucked up big time...!!! 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:43 AM

This is a huge justification for Corbyn who has gone from nowhere to virtually parity in such a short time despite the vile MSM bias. It is a slap in the face to Murdoch, to the bitterites and snakes, and the destruction of May-not. UKRAP was wiped out too. Bonzo should quake in his boots - a pig with a blue rosette could get elected in Croydon South, but Gavin Barwell is writing his sequel "How to lose a marginal seat" in Croydon Central and Labour held Croydon North with increased majority.

The danger is that this may open the door for Baron dePfeffel Johnson, a far more dangerous person than May-not. He is a very clever schemer and dissembler, indeed manipulator and liar. And his fake buffoon persona plays well on TV to the stupid.

On the other hand, if there is a single English politician with the standing of repeatedly being on the right side of history who might be able to persuade Sinn Fein to take their seats, it is JC.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:17 AM

I think that by Christmas we'll have had another election and that Ruth Davidson will be the Tory leader. The job is a poisoned chalice now. The DUP, whom God shouldn't preserve, will prop up the Tories for a while but they are nowhere near in line with the Tories on brexit. I have a feeling that we may be in for a coalition or three in years to come. And here was me thinking that it would be Tories for decades. Has anyone ever screwed up bigger-time than Theresa May? Well, apart from Camoron calling that referendum?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:18 AM

punkfolkrocker

HASTINGS AND RYE
Amber Rudd Conservatives    25,668
Peter Chowney Labour             25,322
Nicholas Perry Lib Dems.       1,885
Michael Phillips UKIP             1,479
Nicholas Wilson Ind                   412

Did 25,688 see the video of her at the hustings and say " that's my girl."
https://youtu.be/TEcMW6RmC_w 
0:13 writing a note to the chair
0:45 hiding the note

There are claims the Labour candidate was off topic but I'm not sure what the guidelines were.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:35 AM

From: Richard Bridge - PM
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:43 AM

This is a huge justification for Corbyn who has gone from nowhere to virtually parity in such a short time

"Gone from nowhere" How so? The previous make-up of the commons included 330 Tory & 229 labour MPs. That is hardly coming from nowhere, although the gap has been reduced.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:48 AM

Stu its good to hope, except for Trump when he says I hope you want your job, Ill tell you what you're gonna do. I hope you understand.

May oh may poor Theresa.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:54 AM

"Gone from nowhere" How so?

Did you not see the predictions when the elections were called Nigel?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:01 AM

well it felt like nowhere...

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:21 AM

I saw predictions.
I gave them the same credence that I give to opinion polls. i.e. not a lot.
I don't believe anyone was predicting that Labour would lose all its seats, or even enough that the number would be reduced sufficiently that they would be 'nowhere'.
Saying he has 'come from nowhere' seems just an attempt to make where he is now (with his party in second place) look more spectacular.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:32 AM

I don't believe anyone was predicting that Labour would lose all its seats, or even enough that the number would be reduced sufficiently that they would be 'nowhere'.

You haven't looked very far then.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:46 AM

I found the
BBC pages good for seeing results
and the map links to neighbouring constituencies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:57 AM

You haven't looked very far then.
If it's that easy then I'm sure you can give me an example, or direct me to one.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

Sour grapes, Nigel. Your favoured leader screwed up and showed that she has very poor judgement. Corbyn steered a great campaign in the face of mass demonisation and got the best Labour vote for 20 years. Labour was supposed to be a basket case six weeks ago. That's your context.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:44 AM

Terminology is everything.
If Murray wins a tennis match in straight sets it may be a good win.
If he wins 3-2 after being two sets down it's a comeback.
If he wins in straight sets after some pundit has predicted he'll be two sets down (which doesn't actually happen) it is back to being a good win. It's not a 'comeback' despite the prediction.

Going from second place six weeks ago to second place now does not seem to be a fantastic achievement.
Those who considered Labour a 'basket case' six weeks ago may not have revised that opinion since. The party has still failed to 'win' the election, or even get the greater number of seats.

It's unusual (but not unexpected) to hear the losers proclaim how well they have done.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:01 AM

Hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:11 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM
Corbyn . . . got the best Labour vote for 20 years.
Labour percentage vote this year (2017) 40.2% (1997)43.2% (2001)40.7%
2001 to 2017 is not 20 years.
Also number of seats won is less than in 2001 or 2005.

Number of votes may have gone up, but not as a percentage of the total votes cast. (compared with 1997 & 2001)

Care to try again?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:01 AM

Hilarious.

Clearly a studied response. When you can't find facts to support your case, just try to ridicule the opposition. You'd make a good politician, or at least a typical one.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to choose on June 8th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:37 AM

Well, your woman has just spent the last seven weeks ridiculing the opposition. So I suppose you know what you're talking about.

I'm happy to be corrected on the Labour share of the vote. It's the best for 16 years, not 20. I was regurgitating what a Beeb pundit was saying without checking for myself. Maybe he was referring to total votes, I dunno. I wasn't thinking of total seats.

As for my response, I suggest you wait for a week or two before you decide who really lost this election. Measure it by whatever parameter you like - enforced sacking of leader, egg on face, humiliation factor, the obligation to make dodgy deals with a bunch of highly-unpleasant sectarian bigots, shattered hubris and complacency, whatevvah. And none of it remotely necessary. Jezza may not be forming the next government, but he's changed politics in this country forever. He did it by being honest and refraining from negative campaigning. Watch and learn, Tories, Murdoch and Dacre.