BS: blood & soil Nazification of America

Subject: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Aug 17 - 07:34 PM

Blood and Soil was the chant outside the Charlottesville church by Nazis armed with torches, guns* and clubs. In the church were people some of you have characterized as snowflakes.

Trump denounced the eventual killings and maiming of dozens as "we are Americans first, we condemn this violence on many sides, on many sides, that has gone on for a long time." He did this in a tepid and bored voice. (on every side?)

The flood gates are open for the alt right, KKK, white supremacists and the Nazis. This is not a hypothetical prediction anymore. I have seen this coming for 10 years.

This is not even the end of the beginning of a Fourth Reich.
This is a brown shirt win for Trump-Bannon.

After the torches at night the main event of violence began before 11 AM.   

*VA is a legal open carry state.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 17 - 07:51 PM

We saw it on the news tonight. I'll take your post as a cri de couer. I'm just wondering where it's going to take us, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Aug 17 - 08:13 PM

It's striking that this latest terrorist attack indicates that the American far right seem to be copying the tactics of Daesh supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Aug 17 - 09:12 PM

The American Taliban has been in our vernacular for many years.
Of 210 million whites the small numbers of Nazis will swell with blood lust, lies, NRA love, Trump permission and misplaced vengeance that began on Wall St. . The audacity of a black president to racists created the largest surge in gun and ammo sales in history.

They have won precedence. There will be more blood and martyrs. They will not defeat the constitution. They must not but with executive protection and Trump Russian like collaboration it may be a desperate struggle that stains this nation permanently.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:21 AM

One hopes that something will eventually compel the GOP to push their president out of office. His tolerance of this Nazi march *seems* like the final straw, but the GOP desire to undo the Great Society as envisioned by Lyndon Johnson seems unquenchable. So far. Until the rich pay no taxes and the poor get no benefits, they won't be happy. And Trump won't be happy. Something else is going to have to nudge him out of office. What do you want to bet that millions of pissed off Americans might just manage it? He can't block all of us on Twitter. Frankly, at this point, I don't care if he ends up deceased or in prison. He never should have been put in office, the numbers will eventually show the Russian interference in critical states, but he needs to be marched out of the White House, and his lapdog Pence, too.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 01:22 AM

I hadn't been familiar with the term 'snowflake' there's an interesting story behind it - but it has developed opposing meanings, so I'm confused.

I agree with Acme that current extreme actions may drive the GOP into a more moderate stance, maybe to the point of impeachment.

And I don't think this is a problem with Charlottesville or the University of Virginia. These are "outside agitators" who came from all over.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 02:40 AM

I'm not quite as bleak as Donuel. This seems like a chance (the final chance?) to wake the asleep, embolden the timid, to shame the previously shameless. I think Trump is hopeless; in my opinion his mental disease has progressed too far for him to veer from his course, but there are lots of Republicans out there who may be reached.

Just had a peculiar thought: Wouldn't it be ironic if after Trump having reported that he had escaped venereal diseases that he should be found suffering from syphilis?

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 03:33 AM

"Frankly, at this point, I don't care if he ends up deceased or in prison. He never should have been put in office, the numbers will eventually show the Russian interference in critical states, but he needs to be marched out of the White House, and his lapdog Pence, too. "



Disgraceful!! The President has condemned the violence and bigotry.


Every country has its lunatic fringes, we have Islamic Jihadist supporters who regularly murder Britons. The US has more than its share, but they were there before the last election and cannot be blamed on "the Russians".

Calm down and stop trying to make political capital out of a tragedy.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 03:53 AM

Sorry, ake, you're wrong. Since early in his campaign, Trump has encouraged abusive, hateful conduct - and then he turns around and denies it. He openly cheers for violent bigots, and then he denies what he said.
The man is disgraceful. He needs to go to prison.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 04:30 AM

" The President has condemned the violence and bigotry."

No he hasn't, he has made vague statements about "all sides". What happened was the result of Nazi's and white supremacist racists marching and the reason Trump doesn't call them out publicly is because he relies on their votes.

Of course, if you're OK with Nazi's saluting and waving their flags and beating up black people then you will find offence in the outcry.

That is disgraceful.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:27 AM

It is disgraceful to wish for the death of a democratically elected President.

Both president Donal John and Vice President Pense have condemned the Nazi bigotry And have said that they do not want these people.
Regarding the demonstrations, as far as I can gather there was violence from both sides many were injured on both sides and one death occurred due to the actions of one mad man.
The deaths of the two police officers was apparently the result of a helicopter accident.

Stop winding up the situation, this was a relatively minor incident compared to some of the racially motivated riots we have had in the UK.
Calm down, you accuse the president of encouraging violence when you propose the self same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:28 AM

Just goes to show what a load of complete wankers many usaians are!!!

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:41 AM

As I understand it Trump condemned violence on "many sides" and it was a later spokesperson who 'clarified' this into all sides.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:48 AM

What I don't understand is why the Racist organisations have not been made illegal long ago. Clinton and Obama could surely have done this as they had decades in power and huge majorities.

I hold no brief for Fascism or Racism but in a democratic country, while these organisations are LEGAL they cannot be refused the right to demonstrate. If they are then physically attacked and respond to that attack, blame must lie on both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:03 AM

My answer, ake, would be that in our countries we don't make societies illegal because we dislike or disagree with them or find them distasteful. We even tolerate a limited degree of illegality because there are idiots in any group and they don't necessarily represent the whole. When, on the other hand the level of illegal behavour appears to be such that the group is promoting it, then we consider banning it.

Hence that Clinton or Obama didnt ban these groups is not important. What matters is whether today the groups are encouraging law breaking.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 07:36 AM

At least Donal Jerk has made the KKK happy. Perhaps with another appointment to the high court he'll be able to bring back Jim Crow, that'll play well in Trumpsylvania.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 07:41 AM

I am bleak about Nazis. If I were MLK or Mandela my rhetoric would soar with messages of love and non threatening friendship but indeed I am I not. Instead I am more blonde and blue eyed than the master 'disgrace' of David Duke or Donald Trump. Nazis killed half of my family. I have devoted years to understand how holocausts evolve.

Everyone learns at their own rate. To not believe a word I say is fine as long as you see more clearly for yourself.
Even those who parse and edit words from Trump disgust me as much as his base or the silent. There are days tolerance is hanging by a thread.

I need to contain outrage so violence is not exaggerated by Nazis but I will not be silent or an apologist.

I celebrate the enlightened opinions of most of the lovely people here. This week the low point is clear.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 07:42 AM

I understand that "D" but organisations like the Klan are surely beyond the pale?   We have laws regarding the promotion of racism anti Semitism or colour prejudice.

No organisation which promoted colour prejudice or Anti Semitism as its main platform would be allowed to stand in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 07:47 AM

BTW.....Donal John is president Trump's given name, by his Scottish mother.....I suppose Donal Ian would be more correct from a Scottish viewpoint, but either are preferable to the disgusting names made up by some of the inhabitants of this forum.
An insult to the Office I would think?

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 07:52 AM

If you're calling Donal Jerk an insult to the office then, for once, we are in complete agreement.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:05 AM

His given name is DONALD JOHN, not Donal, not Ian. Those are the names given to his by his parents.

You complain about names he is given on this site but you persist in your rudeness by not to calling him his given name, his Mother's grandfather was also named Donald.

Dual standards would seem to apply where you are concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Acorn4
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:10 AM

Perhaps the Democrats need a little more self-examination to ask why they chose such a useless candidate?

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:35 AM

Interesting sidelight- If illustrious, hate-filled shrew Ann Coulter had her way none of the Trumps would be allowed to vote due to Twit's Scottish mother and his German (Swedish, according to the family) grandfather .

USA Today

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:38 AM

As long as Democrats are terrible with politics, political messaging and branding, Republicans will continue to win elections. The think tank shaping of lies by the Republicans and using loopholes in the system and election rights have given Republicans every success and branch of government.

All my life I have heard the murmur of "the south shall rise".
If Democrats smarten up, this time will be the racists last best hope.

The bright spotlight on the Governor of Virginia has shown him to be an honorable man unlike trump.

What I am learning is that my strident words close ears. As in the greatest folk songs, the message that the courage of the individual is what is great and is what changes the future world.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:46 AM

"I hold no brief for Fascism or Racism but in a democratic country, while these organisations are LEGAL they cannot be refused the right to demonstrate."

This sort of defence amounts to little more than a tacit acceptance of Nazism. It means forgetting and being complicit in allowing people to celebrate THIS.

Give the facts of the past (something everyone seems eager to forget when discussing current events), it is dumfounding that ANYONE would not specifically comment on the presence of Nazis marching on the streets. The symbolism alone is deeply offensive and the fact the organisers of the rally decided to hold it in the south where there is a long and brutal history of this type of organisation makes it even more so.

Do you know why they chose Charlottesville? Look it up. The rally was designed to intimidate, frighten, provoke and offend immigrants, black people, LBGT and Jewish people. If Golden Showers Don doesn't have the integrity to condemn this outright he deserves the contempt heaped upon him; he is a diminished human being. It was a Nazi that killed a protester and Nazis beat up back people.

He has six million reasons to condemn this rally. So does everyone else, and if you don't come out and say it, you're complicit.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:48 AM

"It is disgraceful to wish for the death of a democratically elected President."
You had no problem when Ann Coulter proposed the poisoning of a "liberal" judge, in fact you seemed to regard it as good journalism
Bet she's busy servicing the Klan at present after one of their number drove a truck into a crowd, killing on and seriously injuring a dozen
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 09:02 AM

Dear Democrats,
There is no such thing as a fair fight. Smarten up.
Use fear, use emotion, use lies to highlight the truth.

Victory for the people is blue at sunup.
The Nazi fight is red in claw and tooth

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 09:07 AM

Stu, you could be a speech writer.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 09:40 AM

"Its this constant, oh its the white man its the white supremacists. That's the problem. NO IT ISN'T". It is the Muslims.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka Another Trump hire
published in Brietbart News Aug. 9th

Some say Gorka is a Hungarian Nazi.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 10:01 AM

let there be no confusion in trumps own words and tone

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 10:07 AM

Thanks Donuel. Rare to get a compliment on the Cat ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 10:58 AM

It is apparently up to the states and governors to delegitimize the Nazis since the Federal Justice Dept. will not lift a finger.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 11:07 AM

It will be interesting to hear Donal Jerk's further comments on this matter. Will he denounce these Nazis, White Supremacists and Nationalists and risk alienating some of his most fervent supporters.
I expect he'll be walking a very skinny tightrope.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 11:47 AM

There are lots of Americans who do not know or notice the Nazification.
Not even the mother of the guy who rammed his car Into protesters knew.

There are five States that have laws awaiting approval to make it legal to ram, run over or kill protesters with a car or truck.
North Carolina, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Florida.

There are 18 States that Republicans have introduced bills to curb protesting; Washington, Oregon, Iowa, Arizona, Oklahoma, Colorado, North Dakota by 'certain' folks, South Dakota, Virginia, Mississippi, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, Indiana, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina...

Protesters will be prosecuted as economic terrorists.

Did you know?

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 11:56 AM

"There are five States that have laws awaiting approval to make it legal to ram, run over or kill protesters with a car or truck.
North Carolina, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Florida."

Don, can you provide a source?

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 11:56 AM

The news knew:
The Washington Post

I missed South Carolina.

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:00 PM

Just found one from your WaPo link. In-fucking-credible!

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:01 PM

Here

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:14 PM

Stu I can't believe you posted that shit.
I made it clear that I detest Fascism and Racism, my post was a conversation with DMcG in which we were discussing the legality of organisations like the Klan.

It was perfectly clear that in no way was I supporting Nazis or White Supremacists tacitly or otherwise.
A really cheap shot, please go back and re-read what was said.

I think organisations like KKK should be banned, but if they are considered legal in the US they must be allowed to demonstrate peacefully, if they were attacked with stones and bottles and responded to that attack both sides are to blame. What President Donal John said was legally correct

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:31 PM

"I made it clear that I detest Fascism and Racism,"
Lip service - right down to forcing refugees to wear yellow star type identification
The KKK have a long (century+) history of violence, intimidation and murder.
Their presence on the streets represents a threat to Black people - it always had and, if Trump is allowed to continue, it will emerge again
So far, Trump has done nothing - and he will continue to do nothing because the Klan and its counterparts represent his basic support - take your own li'l darlin, Ann Coulter . whose veiws are recognised as being akin to the Klan
When Fascism reared its head in Britain, it did so with the support of the police and judiciary
That has to happen in America - the beast has come to life again
Look on protests as an extension of the populaism that put Trump where he is on a minority vote.
Of course you support fascism - you have made that clear from the time you told us we should listen to mass murderer, Anders Breivik had to say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood&soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 12:51 PM

Will he [Twitler] denounce these Nazis, White Supremacists and Nationalists ...?

No.

The KKK have a long (century+) history of violence, intimidation and murder. Their presence on the streets represents a threat to Black people

And to Jews- they've also always been rabid antisemites. They ain't too fond of Catholics either.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 01:37 PM

Jim you lie and distort every view which does not move in lockstep with your own
All your accusations against me have been dealt with many times, you either lack comprehension skills or you are a devious liar.

I have over the months and years decided to ignore most of these accusations as you are simply not worth the time taken to refute your continual barrage of charges. You are a menace, a man of limited intelligence and devoid of critical skills or imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 01:59 PM

There were plenty of anti-Semitic chants by the Nazis in VA I will not repeat.

If all the laws on anti protesting and legal murder of non-violent protesters by motor vehicles are passed, I could stand my ground and shoot protesters (bang) before I drive over their heads (cruncha-boosh) in Florida and 4 other States. But NOT on 5th Avenue NYC.

The KKK and alt right are celebrating that Trump has not denounced them by name.

NAZIFICATION is not a hypothetical anymore. America has not responded until now. Even Protestant Brits may ignore this democratic de-evolution at their own peril.

Greg you were ahead of the crowd with your blatant fascist accusations and warnings.
No one is laughing now except for racist Republican Trolls.

-Hitlers Happen-

While Ake is frightfully uninformed I hold him blameless by his own words.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 02:54 PM

"alt right"
The European alt right took great heart from the populism that first gave us Brexit, then the Trump victory
The first wave were defeated but they haven't gone away, nor will they until Trump is put back in his bottle and the worst excesses of Brexit are coped with
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 04:11 PM

Piece of shit KKK Grand Asshole David Duke is upset at Trump:

"I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency"

"This represents a turning point for the white people of this country. We are determined to take our country back," Duke said. "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump."

More HERE

HEIL TRUMP!

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 04:39 PM

This is all a horror show, but Trumps refusal to decry the KKK is becoming a really big wedge between himself and the Republican part. Trumps worst enemy has always been Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 04:41 PM

OK here is a Jim Carroll style post. Here is where we are in comparison to the Hitler transformation of Germany. The travel ban is a first step compared to Hitler's Nuremberg Laws. Only the names and religions need be changed like; Trump, Muslims, Mexicans and Illegal Aliens.
In comparison we have moved much faster than Hitler:
*******************************************************************

The Nuremberg laws were crucial to the process of dehumanization that the Nazis institutionalized once they took power, and the laws helped set the stage for the organized violence and mass murder that would come later in the regime. While the Nuremberg laws explicitly mentioned Jews, the interpretation of these laws also accused Gypsies and blacks as having "alien blood." And dozens of laws passed by the Nazis targeted other groups deemed undesirable, including communists, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses. Accordingly, the policies established by Hitler, supported by the Nazis and followed by most Germans, reveal how rampant discrimination—the use of laws, policies, and practices to treat individuals differently based on their membership in a specific group—became a cornerstone of Hitler's governing strategy.

The majority of Germans reacted to these laws with enthusiasm, or at least passivity. Within Germany explicit resistance to the Nuremberg Laws, and other discriminatory policies instituted by the Nazis, was virtually unheard of. Why was this the case when surely many Germans had Jewish neighbors? In many German towns and cities, Jews and Germans had lived together in relative peace. Germans had Jewish teachers and Jewish doctors. They attended schools with Jews and had served in the military with them. Because of intermarriage, some German families had members who identified as Jews or were now being identified as Jewish by the Nazis. There is no simple answer to the question of why Germans did not resist these unjust laws, including laws aimed at vulnerable groups other than Jews. As described in the previous lesson, obedience is one factor that influenced the behavior of Germans at this time. In Nazi Germany, children, men, and women were rewarded for obeying Nazi policies and faced consequences for refusals to obey. Opportunism is another factor that influenced Germans to follow these laws. While minority groups were being denied basic civil and human rights, many Germans benefited from these discriminatory practices. For example, Germans were given the jobs that were held by Jews and others who were forcibly fired in accordance with the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service." Later, Germans claimed property, including homes, paintings, jewelry, and other valuables, that were confiscated from Jews, communists, and other political prisoners. Moreover, the desire to belong (conformity) and the fear of ostracism may have motivated some people to follow laws, even laws that they knew were unjust. In the film The Nazis: A Warning from History—Chaos and Conspiracy, Erna Kranz explains, "When the masses were shouting 'Heil,' what could the individual person do? You went with it. We were the ones who went along." The willingness of many Germans to support Nazi policies, the lack of resistance to discriminatory laws, and the cooperation of institutions, including churches, raise the question of how much the Jews had really been accepted in German society prior to Hitler coming to power.

Did you change the names and words appropriately?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:19 PM

Trumps refusal to decry the KKK is becoming a really big wedge between himself and the Republican party.

Are saying that the Republican gutless wonders in Congress are actually going to call him out on this and actually oppose Twitler??

I can see them doing "tsk, tsk" political posturing but I don't think they'll grow balls and do anything significant.

Time will tell.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Shakey
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

It's interesting that a number of you want DT to denounce the (Alt) right wing extremists, yet for twenty years NO western leader has denounced Muslim terrorism which is on another scale. They are always careful not to associate that which the world bloody world can see

Hypocrites.

And yes DT should denounce it, but so should all other terror organisations be denounced - ask Corbyn about that one.

Bloody hypocrites.

Forty years ago Harvey was singing songs about having a son in an age of terrorism, thirty years later he was asking why it was that people he didn't know were trying to kill him.

They ALL need to be denounced.

I'm a freedom fighter you're a terrorist. Bullshit.

Denounce all of them alt-right/KKK/ISIL/IRA or shut the fuck up.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Shakey
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:10 PM

And Jim Carroll, I could eat Alphabetti Spaghetti and shit posts that made more sense