BS: blood & soil Nazification of America

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:52 AM

That may be true.

NO OME IS SHOCKED BY FASCIST opinions and plans.
No one. Be honest and remember how many times we have reacted to horrid notions.
It is practically a familiar comfort zone to voice contempt and outrage regarding Nazi agendas.

What I will ask you to do is not comfortable.
I ask you to look inward and share what you are seeing that hate has already changed.

I see Hispanics in fear of deportation not interact with me anymore.
I see neighbors pulling back.
I see children chanting USA USA to kids who are browner than them.


Pause    and tell us what changes you are seeing emerging or missing.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 09:12 AM

" "Akenaton supports the KKK and colour prejudice"
You put that in quotes - where did it come from
Forcing refugees to wear identification insignia is supporting racism
Describing protesters as "terrorists" is supporting the KKK
Have we ever discussed colour prejudice?
Not in my recollection
Can I suggest that we don't turn this into a two-way slanging match with unsupportable claims of lying
Why not use your valuable time to respond to what I have actually said if it is in such short supply
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 09:28 AM

"there are far more nightmarish figures with a worse agenda queued up behind him"

I'm ignorant in this subject. Who exactly are you talking about?

Subject: I see changes
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 09:34 AM

I see Hispanics in fear of deportation not interact with me anymore.
I see neighbors pulling back.
I see children chanting USA USA to kids who are browner than them.


Pause    and tell us what changes you are seeing emerging or missing.

Can you see yourself change?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 09:52 AM

"...you have not done so and forthwith you will be considered gutless."

This is how Germany sank into Nazism.

A part of the population allowing the evil of fascism to permeate our society by conflating the hatred, murder and intimidation of people making a stand against this abomination of an ideology. Shouting for "Free Speech" instead of shouting down the haters; then only way this can be interpreted is by tacit approval, the type of cowardly complicity with the marchers and their aims by supposedly protecting their right to do what they do. Insult those attacking the evil of the Nazis.

Some things are beyond the pale for decent humans. Nazism is one of these, and it needs to be challenged and eradicated where it crops up. Suggesting the people doing the challenging are the ones behaving egregiously is a fallacy and should be treated with utter contempt; that one of these people was murdered by a Nazi terrorist makes that accusation even more inappropriate.

There is no free speech for Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists and has fuck all to do with free speech. There was no free speech in Lodz ghetto or Buchenwald, not for Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner and none for the young black men hanged from the trees of the Southern US and none for the people murdered in Oklahoma.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 10:09 AM

Stu the gutless are not exactly cowards, The silent are cowards.
The gutless are less than courageous.

It is practically a familiar comfort zone to voice contempt and outrage regarding Nazi agendas.

What I will ask you to do is not comfortable.
I ask you to look inward and share what you are seeing that hate has already changed.

I see Hispanics in fear of deportation not interact with me anymore.
I see neighbors pulling back.
I see children chanting USA USA to kids who are browner than them.


Pause    I am curious as to what changes you are seeing emerging or missing. I think it is even harder to see our own changes.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 10:13 AM

Here's your hero again, Ache:

WASHINGTON, August 14th — President Trump shared on Twitter a cartoon on Tuesday morning of a train running over a person with a CNN logo covering the person's head, three days after a fatal collision in Charlottesville,VA.

Promoting a cartoon of a person being run over by a train appeared to belittle the attack by a driver who ran into a crowd of counterprotesters, leaving a 32-year-old woman dead on Saturday and 19 others injured.

A White House official said early Tuesday that the tweet of the train was posted inadvertently.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 10:23 AM

Here's the cartoon that the Baby/Man retweeted. It didn't take long for the old chickenshit to pull it down. You would think that as "Leader of the Free World" he'd have better things to with his time.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 10:53 AM

"What I will ask you to do is not comfortable.
I ask you to look inward and share what you are seeing that hate has already changed."

Sorry Donuel, I'm being a bit thick. You mean the hate from the Nazis? What has that changed in me or others?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 11:03 AM

I think what Donuel is driving at is that our responses are conditioned by the world around us to some extent.

If someone perceives, on a regular basis, that a specific group of people are not in some way acceptable, or are "lessor" in some way, that person, unless they are very careful, will in time begin to perceive that group in the same way.

We owe to it ourselves to be constantly on guard against this, because if we succumb we become less.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 11:04 AM

How much of our opinions are media generated and what are the up close changes in your own personal lives and observations are changed by the Trump effect?

This is a twist on what npr has been asking.


I see Hispanics in fear of deportation not interact with me anymore.
I see neighbors pulling back.
I see children chanting USA USA to kids who are browner than them.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 11:23 AM

Greg, Gillymore
Your posts are beating CNN to the punch

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 01:01 PM

The problem with using violence to disrupt a demonstration by people you don't like, will one day end in all demonstrations being proscribed.
It is the job of governments to make organisations like KKK illegal....why has this not been done by Clinton, Obama, or Bush???

Any organisation left or right (the labels a meaningless), who promote violence against those who hold other views should be banned.

If the government determine that such organisations ARE legal then anyone who attacks them with stones or other missiles are committing a serious crime in the eyes of the law.

For the umpteenth time I reiterate that IMO the KKK and other violent racist organisations should be banned......and do not accuse me of supporting them.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 01:23 PM

"The problem with using violence to disrupt a demonstration by people you don't like,"
Love the "you don't like" bit -t does imply they you are quite happy with them
This is not a matter of like or dislike - it was a demonstration against racist thugs with a track record with a century and a half's track record om murder and violence
Pitu those who came out on the streets against the Fascists in Britain
The authorities didn't like ii - ooooh, what a crying shame!!!!!
Still no response as to whether you regard those who fought the Blacksirts as "terrorists" - as I said, silence is golden
"why has this not been done by Clinton, Obama, or Bush???"
Because under them the Klan had become virtually a thing of the part -
Your mate has breathed new life into fascism and his girlfriend, Nursie Coulter is there making sure the blood supply bottles are fully topped up
Demonstrators against fascism should be banned" - dontcha love it??
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 01:45 PM

Lessons in the US first Amendment are needed.

In the US there are 18 State Legislatures that have introduced laws to proscribe demonstrations. Wildly unconstitutional but so is much of the new Republican movement.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 05:27 PM

Twitler approves of Very Fine Nazis:

President Donald Trump lashed out about the criticism of his initial statement about the Charlottesville adding that there were "very fine people" in both the group of white supremacists and white nationalists as well as the counterprotesters.

Shortly after the press conference finished, KKK David Duke tweeted: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in Black Lives Matter/Antifascists."

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 05:37 PM

The POTUS doubled down on the side of Nazis today.
No he more like went to the power of 10 down with Nazis.

I see the strategy now. Americans will not recover from this without blood.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 05:55 PM

They [Nazis&Trump] want to burn it all down and have this fight

OR

We can hear from the MORAL voices who have been SILENT

Hello?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 06:04 PM

When the establishment refuses to condemn fascists, what tends to happen is that decent people take things into their own hands. Today, Trump has reverted to his Saturday position. He should take note of what happened in the East End of London in 1936. The establishment tried to defend Mosley's Blackshirts. Ordinary working people, many of whom wouldn't have given Jews the time of day by the way, were not having any of it and they saw off the fascists on the streets. In Barking and Dagenham in 2010, the people came out on to the streets and saw off the BNP, who lost all their council seats and they made Nick Griffin look like the vacuous chump that he truly is. Nice one, Billy Bragg. Trump is being incredibly short-sighted. There are far more people who can't stomach the existence of triumphalist fascism on their local streets than those who support it. Law be damned. Fair play and decency dictates that ordinary people will see off these thugs whatever it takes. Learn from history, Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 07:37 PM

At this stage smart people who know history may assume other people will do the heavy lifting and they can sit back and watch it all get sorted.

That is the worst block headed, fence sitting, less than courageous thing to do.

Left to their own devices you have seen sick people like Trump do something horrible and stand back and say "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO !"

No, look what you let him do.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:04 PM

Learn from history, Trump.

Twitler is incapapable of learning, period. He is a complete and utter turd, full stop.

God Help AmeriKKKa.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:55 PM

The Nazi strategy has long planned large Trump marches in every major city in the USA this next SATURDAY. They know the media may capture the evil left protesters be violent by defending themselves.


I dreamed of a crazy response. Warning; the following is crazy.
What I would like to see is another Women's march impede Nazis. -no men allowed-

Even if Nazis want to attack, their plans will not be justified by a living soul, including the police or the Nazi girlfriends at home.
Should another innocent women die by the hands or foot of Nazis, it may be the last.


Nazis have long been known as proud women and children killers.
None of this is about statues just in case anyone wants to know.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 03:34 AM

Ake says (way up above): I hold no brief for Fascism or Racism but in a democratic country, while these organisations are LEGAL they cannot be refused the right to demonstrate.
I think that's more-or-less how the U.S. courts have interpreted the First Amendment, so I guess I couldn't argue with Ake on that.

But it was clear to us that the fascist demonstration was intended to provoke violence, and violence happened. And I suppose that some of the violence was committed by people on the left, who should be prosecuted along with right-wingers for their violence.

But it's clear that this event was initiated by the white supremacists, the neo-Nazis, and the Ku Klux Klan. Whether their actions were legal or not, the President of the United States should not hesitate to condemn these hate groups. He failed to do that at first, then gave a clearly reluctant denunciation later, and then more-or-less retracted that denunciation on Tuesday.

My 27-yr-old stepson works as an instructor pilot near our home in one of the most conservative counties of California, and pilots tend to be conservative anyhow. So, the stepson brings home information that it was left-wingers who threw "chemicals" at the right-wing demonstrators. I wonder where that information came from, and if there's any truth in it.

It appears that there was some violence on the part of a small group of left-wing demonstrators, the ones referred to as "antifa." So, maybe we have to admit that Trump was right that "many sides" shared the guilt. That sure doesn't seem right to me, but how do we answer that challenge?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 04:07 AM

The election of Trump coming on the heels of the Nationalist nature has given heart to extreme right-wing extremism on a world-wide bais - France, Hungary, Italy
I can think of at least six million reasons for taking to the streets to stop this rise.
Such marches as Charlottesville would have been illegal in Britain, where there are now strong laws to stop the incitement to race hatred - those laws were not won easily - ask people like Blair Peach.
Trump was eventually forced to condemn the Klan and its racist nature - who knows, a few more Charlottesvilles might force him to pass a few good laws
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 04:30 AM

"Trump was eventually forced to condemn the Klan and its racist nature - who knows, a few more Charlottesvilles might force him to pass a few good laws"

Jim, you must have missed it, yesterday afternoon the racist asshole pissed backwards on his Monday remarks. Here is the press conference, if you can stomach it.

I never thought in my lifetime I'd see a U.S. President stand up before the nation and encourage hate groups.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 04:49 AM

"We owe to it ourselves to be constantly on guard against this, because if we succumb we become less."

I couldn't agree more. This sort of mindfulness is very important when discussing these matters and confronting those whose opinions differ. However, challenged they must be and they should be challenged without recourse to violence. Which leads us on to...


"That sure doesn't seem right to me, but how do we answer that challenge?"

There are always a small number of idiots out for trouble and they need to be challenged from within the group they claim to represent; informal gatherings and ad hoc groupings need to be very aware of the presence of these people and call them out. Self-policing is vital. Also, non-violence is vital, even in the face of extreme provocation. The atmosphere at Charlottesville was toxic and there were armed alt-right militias at the demonstration; this sort of provocation must be hard to endure as threat is implied by the presence of people in camo gear with guns.

Always peaceful protest.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 05:20 AM

I would never advocate violence but let's get this right. If any more marches of this nature are allowed to go ahead there will be a massive police presence whose job it will be TO DEFEND THE FASCISTS. As someone who has been on a number of demonstrations at which there has been deliberate provocation of the "side" I was on, including provocation by the police, I can relate that it is next to impossible to stop flare-ups, so let's get real, shall we? Trump, the police and the fascists WANT violent protests so that they can accuse the left (under which heading I think I'll include all decent people who do not want to see this scum given free rein on THEIR streets) of violence and deflect criticism away from the people who put Trump in the White House. Remember that the violent reaction of people in the East End in 1936 is now seen, rightly, as heroism in the face of a wrong-headed establishment. History will judge Trump the same way and it won't take long. Jim is spot on. He mentioned Blair Peach, who was my friend. A lovely, non-violent man of slight stature who was clubbed to death by a policeman after taking to the streets to oppose a fascist rally. Part of his legacy is that we now question the right of fascists to hold provocative rallies. My dad's generation didn't fight a bloody war against Hitler only to see triumphalist fascism back on our streets. Sod that. I don't want to hear mealy-mouthed shoulder-shrugging rubbish about fascists having "rights." If they come out on to the streets then so should we, and we don't want to see the establishment looking after them. If nothing else, in the name of public order they should be prevented from demonstrating altogether.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 06:23 AM

"Jim, you must have missed it,"
Gil
I read the report - missed the full Monty - thanks
I suppose it takes a special skill to turn a fascist march, the killing of a young woman and the injuring of fourteen others into a photo-opportunity

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 06:24 AM

Good Post Steve
I think this is also relevant GOP? removes Far right from Terror Watch "Rent a Mob " is now an approved organisation?

Id be happy if it was "Fake News"

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 06:30 AM

I agree Steve (my family fought and suffered in the war, including seeing the final solution first-hand), and I have to say the state seems to be protecting the fascists. Also, if provocation is physical, the it's appropriate to respond accordingly.

The free speech/permit defence is utter rubbish. The Nazis had a permit for Normandy, and we ignored that too.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 08:02 AM

Stu says: The free speech/permit defence is utter rubbish.

Perhaps, but it appears to be the way the courts interpret the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. And to a great extent, the Second Amendment allows those Nazis to bear arms.

We haven't found a way to enact legislation to get around those restrictions.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 08:18 AM

Trump has just repeated his "both sides are to blame" statement so it seems there will be no efforts whatever made to prevent fascist/racist marches.
If the law and the constitution are being used to perpetuate that situation violence is inevitable.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 09:03 AM

I wonder where that information came from,

Infowars & Breibart.

and if there's any truth in it.

Not.


But I doubt that facts will change your stepson's mind, Joe. He's apparently a card-carrying Trumpista.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 09:08 AM

WW2 antifascist USA film

Latest?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 10:37 AM

Kenny that was how I was educated, but by family.

I have never been more disappointed in a Post by Joe Offer.
I winced a bit at the qualifying word 'maybe' and winced more at the suggestion we should follow Donald Trumps common sense regarding " two sides".

I am not saying Joe supports Trump's White Supremacist base/
I am not saying he too is a racist.
I AM saying that his post demonstrates the lack of a mature moral center.

Governor Kasich is a less than brilliant man but he does have an unequivocal moral center demonstrated by his comment immediately after the rogue moment by Trump.


Regarding chemicals being used by the anti Nazis (not the imagined alt left)

I was able to see three uses of pepper spray, the kind found in a ladies purse

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 10:47 AM

Pepper spray is used for escape not to incapacitate. A true defensive weapon is one that can vanquish a threat. You should look for the identifiable yellow color of pepper spray. The only other chemical was a can of hair spray used to try to burn a Confederate flag by one shirtless individual.

So yes chemical claims are technically true.

Watch Vice news interview of the torch carrying racists.

Some mention of the fatality involved in the clash, was lost by some.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 11:19 AM

Kenny B does this mean that the KKK will no longer be subject to surveillance by the FBI?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 11:43 AM

"We haven't found a way to enact legislation to get around those restrictions."

Does the constitution really allow armed Nazi's to roam the streets of the US? Does it allow them to say anything they want? Does it allow the imagery of white men holding torches to parade through the towns of the US, intimidating their citizens?

We fought a war against these bastards. Your constitution is an albatross around your neck if this is allowed to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 11:54 AM

Of course, the key is legality, has any US govt had the balls to proscribe racist and colour prejudiced organisations?
If these organisations WERE illegal there would be no need for violence, the law would not permit the demonstrations.

However proscription is a slippery slope, before long the leftist would be squealing as hard left organisations were also banned.
Don't say THEY are all good boys, or even a majority of them are good boys.....they contain many violent psychopaths who hate officers of the law, the rich, and anyone who dares to think conservative thoughts. I have been amongst the during my CP days before I grew up.
Even the soft "liberal" left have developed a frighteningly violent streak, which is pretty obvious from some of the posts in this thread.
i.e. "Hiding behind the law"

In truth the US seems pretty fucked up politically and it was like that long before Donal-John. Perhaps it's good that the dirty covers are coming off at last......isn't it good to talk?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 11:57 AM

Donuel .... that's the way I read it as a uk citizen

Does the immigration service wear brown shirts? and have powers in every state that the police don't have?
Does the Trump Empire employ G4S for security? as in the N Dakota Pipeline affair

My questions may sound like a soundbite from Rowan and Martins Laugh-in but it could be more serious.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 11:58 AM

Stu the answer to your question and concerns can be found on the ACLU site.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:05 PM

I despise Nazis. I also despise legislating speech. It has often seemed like places with laws against saying certain things exist to protect those who aren't considered smart enough to judge for themselves.

Ake, if we had laws against hate speech, you would have been gone ages ago.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:13 PM

Thanks Donuel, I'll look at the website later.

Here in the UK we have hate speech laws that specifically deal with racial hatred; I don't think Nazi's carrying flags would be tolerated, but I'm not sure.

At least The Golden Showered One has made Duke and other Nazi, KKK and white supremacists happy, much to the shock of just about everyone else on the planet with a sense of common decency.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

"Ake, if we had laws against hate speech, you would have been gone ages ago. "

OK Jeri, care to give me some examples of my hate speech? Don't bother reprinting any of Jim's lies.

If you are referring to Health figures, they are available to anyone via America's premier health agency CDC.

Is the truth ever hateful? Only to Fascists of all political persuasions.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

"If these organisations WERE illegal there would be no need for violence, "
A yrear ago thes organisations were moribund - saying little more than Ukip was saying and nothing like the hate speech the BNP is still legally allowed to peddle in Britain
To ban the Klan then would be similar to banning the flat Earth Society - a meaningless gesture
Trump and his racist aggression has brought these rats scurrying out of their holes - he has had a similar effect in giving succour to the NF in France - LePen was actually photographed at Trump Tower weeks before her defeat.
I have little doubt that anybody attempting to ban the Klan woud me met with your accusations of "liberal fascism"
This level of argument is a smug attempt on your part to exonerate Trump by blaming past administrations - not unlike your claim that Hilary would plunge us into war - where are we under Trump on the brink of a war
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:44 PM

Ake
Does the phrase of your way to get rid of incomers buying local houses during your Scottish independence referendum
ie "whapping the heids aff thisles " ring any bells

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM

No but it does sound interesting could you point me in the direction of that post?

It has a ring of Burns about it ...."Tae snede therr heids lik taps o' thristles". Can't remember the poem right now, i'll have to have a quick rummage through my Kilmarnock edition... :0)

Found it..."Address to the Haggis"......comedy/philosophy.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 01:12 PM

Twit's getting a shit storm of abuse today for his untethered racism but at least he's getting some love from some quarters.

Vox

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 01:19 PM

Reuters and 2 more sources confirm Trump wants domestic hate groups removed from the DOJ watch list. He wants the list limited to Islamic groups only.

ICE wears black T shirts and black raid uniforms with bullet proof vests. Most of them just wear street clothes and big guns

With more members than the KKK etc are gun clubs with conservation agendas.
They have different names but one claims 1.5 million members.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Aug 17 - 01:19 PM

Is the truth ever hateful?

It is to Trump, definately.