BS: Damian Green

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:57 AM

Sorry, wrong thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:56 AM

Moving on from well-tilled ground, Keith. What is your view on the content and timing of what are being reported as "nine new red lines" by Rees Mogg and co?

(Personally, I don't that all are reasonably described as 'new' but it is at least fair to call them re-emphasised).

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:45 AM

. What is found on an internet linked computer may not solely be due to the efforts of the owner, especially if targeted.

If that is what has happened, I would say it warrants a far more extensive investigation than the porn itself. It posits a third party with write access (and therefore read access) to a PC which contains secure information. That matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:43 AM

The ex-cop may be genuinely acting in what he now considers to be the public interest, now that Green is effectively second-in-command of the country. When the material first came to light (during an investigation that showed Green to be dishonest, by the way), Green was not a member of the government. The accusation against Green holds far more water than your accusation that the cop has a grudge, an accusation for which you have no evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:37 AM

Perfect analysis, John!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:37 AM

He denies it, and there is no evidence for it except the claims, ten years later, of ex-cops with a grudge.

Accusations alone should not be enough to end someone's career.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:35 AM

Sorry about that last paragraph. It shouldn't be in this thread, obviously. I thought I'd already corrected it. Grr.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:29 AM

Anyone who downloads pornographic material, via his employer's network, on to his employer-provided Work-computer has, by so doing, proved that he is far too stupid to be trusted with the responsibilities of high office.

Just as I would have been fired for Gross Misconduct if I'd done it on my work-computer, he should be fired - on the basis of Gross Misconduct, and that he is too stupid to be a government minister.

Game, set and match.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Iains
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:26 AM

Any person that mixes business with "pleasure" on a works computer is either exceedingly naive, or a reckless fool. For any MP to do a similar thing is also rather dumb. What is found on an internet linked computer may not solely be due to the efforts of the owner, especially if targeted.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 06:16 AM

The ex officers did not report it at the time.
Even they admit they had no proof it was Green anyway.
It was not illegal anyway.
No crime was committed.
It was ten years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 05:44 AM

we have several problems here

1) pornography on a works computer - pornography is a well known vector for malware. There would be records from that time - police notebooks, statements at an inquiry. On any works computer it is a concern, on a government PC it is a security issue. RBS had problems, TK MAX, Uber and a load of outfits who haven't come clean, how did they happen? Who knows? But the weakest link in a computer system is the human, and there are enough of them to fall for phishing in any outfit. It only takes one!

2) integrity of police officers is called into question. Retired police officers are not bound by the same disciplinary code as serving officers. But it does impact the image of the police.

3) There is a cover up, which may be in the interests of the country's security, but see 1). You choose which takes precedence in the long shadow of Russian interference in elections and referenda.

4) the only reason that Labour politicians are not dragged into such an issue is chance.

5) Politicians spend long hours on government business, and marriages suffer as a result. It was proposed 40 years ago by a serving MP that: "there is a case for a Westminster brothel to be set up". Surely there is a case for parliament to provide safe PCs for extra curricular surfing for the same reason.

BTW parliamentary bed hopping is nothing new. I was told by the son of Harold Wilson's solicitor that there was a contractual agreement drawn up for his wife to not pursue divorce over adultery with Marcia Williams. And the Marcia connection has been confirmed since by many who were there at the time.

It's a jungle out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Iains
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 04:08 AM

There are bad apples in every barrel.
As yet the above post is claim and counter claim with a whiff of a political agenda from certain of the police.

Would you like a list of PROVEN Labour naughty boys?

Have you got bored babbling about brexit?
Time we had another update on weeds and cheap booze isn't it?
or perhaps you have upgraded to meths!

Subject: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 17 - 08:06 PM

This bloke appears to have downloaded and viewed pornographic images by the thousand on his House of Commons computer. Naturally, he denies this. If he was really innocent, he'd be threatening to sue. But he isn't.

So an ex-copper who was investigating the now-proven allegations that Green was a leaker-in-chief has now blown the whistle on this greasy, slimy Tory. Naturally, the establishment in their droves are crawling out of the woodwork in order to defend him. 'Twas ever thus.

So where does this leave us on Royal weddings? Most dark beers taste burnt. The worst offender is draught Guinness, which relies on burnt malt for its bitterness rather than hops. Guinness is not a highly-hopped beer. Basically that means it isn't especially good for you. Frankly, it's a bloody poor do.