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BS: If Russia didn't do it..?

robomatic 26 Apr 18 - 09:36 PM
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Steve Shaw 26 Apr 18 - 07:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 09:36 PM

The plot sickens. . .


Per a request from the originator of the thread, "I asked for this thread to be closed because it has been hijacked. If you want to discuss Israel or antisemitism please start your own thread." Previous Israel and antisemitism threads tend to be closed when the BS gets too deep to tolerate. So proceed at your own risk.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 09:27 PM

"So we get the anti-Israel crowd to creep into other threads which sorta makes them the trolls now. "
At least we have "anti Israel" instead of "The Jews"
Seems you have disgraced yourself into dropping that line
If it is true, as I believe it is, Israel and Russia are joined at the hip in manipulating the politics of other states for their own ends "Anti Israeli feeling" has a place here

As far as I am concerned, there is irrefutable evidence that this whole campaign hss been deliberately engineered to smear Corbyn
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-protest-powerful-special-interest-group-jewish-a8278761.html

The accusations first appeared within a month of Corbyyn decalrins support for the Palestinians, following a meeting of a party of "Labour Friends of Israel members returning from a meeting with Netanyahu
This BRUSHED UNDER THE CARPET INCIDENT seems to be evidence of an orgabised campaign to bring Corbyn down
Let's hope he stands his ground
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 07:49 PM

Have another vat of wine, old chap.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 07:30 PM

There was a GAZA thread started by me 'specially for posts like some of the above but the usual suspects blew it up and SShaw admitted in another thread that he requested that it be closed due to folks he said were trolls.

So we get the anti-Israel crowd to creep into other threads which sorta makes them the trolls now.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 05:21 PM

The best vinyl record I ever bought had a hole that wasn't in the middle. I just thought that the recording wasn't very good, until I heard a track from it played perfectly on Radio 3...Never believe what you hear....


I blame Putin, natch...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:34 PM

I did realise PFR. Thanks for making it clear anyway. Now, anyone care to make any suggestions as to who it was if it wasn't the Russians.

I think Boris himself is a good suspect. Even the name is Russian. I bet he is really Putin's BFF.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:31 PM

If anyone would care to open a thread on the any issues in the Labour party please feel free. Think of it as care in the community.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:30 PM

I am just telling you what your leader says.

He says you are wrong and should stop making your silly claims.

He is saying exactly what I have been saying all along.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:27 PM

Better point out I don't mean you DtG..
before some smart arse tries to be clever...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:25 PM

I remember the days of warped and damaged vinyl LPs that always got stuck repeating over and over again on the same groove...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 04:19 PM

Igmore the troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:52 PM

You will not listen to me, but these are your own people.

Guardian, "Shadow minister(Starmer) says those who deny Labour has antisemitism issues are ‘part of the problem’"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/26/keir-starmer-hits-back-at-mccluskey-labour-antisemitism-remarks

That is YOU lads.

"“Jeremy Corbyn has made it clear, and it is obvious, that we have got a problem with antisemitism. We have got to deal with it robustly and effectively,” he said."

Deny that Lads?

BBC, "Jeremy Corbyn has rejected claims by close ally Len McCluskey that "Corbyn-hater" Labour MPs were using an anti-Semitism row to "smear" him."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43897221


That is what YOU claim lads. Corbyn wants you to shut up.

Your views are extreme well beyond his.
He is saying what I have been telling you all along.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:22 PM

History threads have a long reputation here. Even Iains is at his best with history. Examples of chronicling present day history is the trick pony.
Besides the present day history, there could be ancient history or the history of the 3rd Reich . Jim I know you have a book in you.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:19 PM

Jim - you say nothing much in your last post I disagree with..

If I was labour leader I would show far less indulgent patience and tact under such hostile contrived false attack...

Which is probably why Corbyn has that job and not me...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:01 PM

"Soon enough all threads become about Israel if certain folks get their own way..."
If you check, all the Israel threads have been closed - none have died a natural death thanks to the trolls
If what I say about Israel's entryist tactics into British politics, the stronger Corbyn's support base gets, the more Israel will intervene
If I'm wrong fine - show me where I am
Keith and co would love to have a free hand to smear Corbyn and the Labour Party with Antisemitism - unless you accept he is right, then the probable alternative needs to be discussed
The suggestion that Israel's supporters have invented Labour antisemitism has been on the scene for a lot longer than I have been banging on about it - the Israeli Labour paper Haaretz raised it first
Promise I won't over-do it, but please don't let these twots off the hook by making it a no-go area - that is one of their get-out-of-jail cards when they are at a loss for a response
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 01:20 PM

Donuel the reality is that the original thread title revolved around seemingly unsubstantiated allegations of initially novichok and later Douma. Unfortunately you cannot even begin to seek the truth without unraveling the history of the Middle East at least since the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the machinations of Empire post WW1. There are at least six components of the present chaos and a little digging would throw upp many others.
1)The geographic/political boundaries are largely artificial constructs
2)Between 25 and 35 million Kurds inhabit a mountainous region straddling the borders of Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Iran and Armenia. They make up the fourth-largest ethnic group in the Middle East, but they have never obtained a permanent nation state.
3)There are religious divides between Sunni and Shiites
4)Energy sources and their distribution networks bring in competing interests.
5)"Terminology on terrorist attacks are often misleading and the resulting danger to the Middle East often misunderstood. The Islamic State and its so-called provinces mimic quasi-states and insurgencies—
the terrorism label obfuscates much of the groups’ practices. The Islamic State and related groups use terrorism, of course, but they also wage insurgencies, control territory, and otherwise shape the region beyond terrorist attacks. These actions are often far more dangerous and consequential than terrorism."
6)Arms sales e.g. UK UK arms sales 2015-16. Saudi Arabia: £3.3 billion. United Arab Emirates: £265 million. Turkey: £175 million. Qatar: £139 million. Israel: £105 million. Oman: £71 million. Egypt: £65 million. Jordan: £19 million. Bahrain: £19 million. Kuwait: £13 million. Lebanon: £2.8 million. Yemen: £266,000 ... others dispute the figures as way too low.arms sales Now if anyone can unravel the true story of what is really happening in Syria they may well have a very good explanation as to why Russia, Assad and Iran are being constantly demonized. In my view it is a devils brew and Israel and her rogue attacks may well be the detonator to create a global war. It is a country in defiance of innumerable UN resolutions and takes zero notice of the International community.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 01:18 PM

Jim - I know that it's all obviously interrelated... I agree with you.. but...

Soon enough all threads become about Israel if certain folks get their own way...

Pro Israel propagandists want nothing more than their agenda to be the most prioritised publicised issue discussed everywhere...!!!

I wish a particular UK political party dedicated to protecting the welfare of the less well off in our society
had the balls [ or Prescotts] to just tell 'em to eff off
with their disruptive interfering self promoting hijacking and blackmailing extortionate control freak demands...


..and now back to blaming Russia for everything - no wait - that's not what this thread is about either...!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 12:33 PM

"Is it not possible to ask mods for a single dedicated "Israel" perma-thread...?????"
Sorry - don't agree
This has long departed the original subject and has entered the "Labour Antisemitism" realms
Israel first came up on 11th of this month (not guilty on that one)
As far as I am concerned, these items are interlinked with the now established practice of States interfering with the internal affairs of others - Russia attempted to influence the US elections and Brexit - now Israel attempting to bring down a Labour Leader because he has declared his opposition to their policies in Gaza
Seems to be the shape of things to come
Rather than allow the trolls like Keith close threads that can make no headway on - lets deal with it in its entirety
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 11:56 AM

[Iains, BFF means best friends forever.

To everyone else, 20 years ago we used to say "if you feed the troll he will follow you home".

Still there are many interesting side issues here that would make good new thread subjects unless you enjoy the insults.]


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 11:20 AM

Jim - yes that's an informative read.. but...

Is it not possible to ask mods for a single dedicated "Israel" perma-thread...?????

..a bit like setting up a boxing ring in a pub car park
to keep the hardcore aggro safely contained out and away from the bars of merry bantering boozers..


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 10:52 AM

"Jim - This is what he wants. "
Sorry lads - too good an opportunity to expose this bunch of extremist reactionaries
Nice article in the Irish Times this morning which backs up Corbyn's comparing Israeli regime to Isis
Suppose the writer must be another "self-loathing Jew we are reading about more and more nowadays
Jim (back from Galway with a vengeance) Carroll

EUROPE MUST INTERVENE TO STOP THE GAZA SHOOTINGS
Ilan Baruch Opinion
Ilan Baruch is a retired diplomat and former Israeli ambassador to South Africa

An independent inquiry must be established to transparently investigate incidents in which live ammunition was fired at unarmed demonstrators
The use of military force to enforce an imposed regime is typical of colonialism. Israel adamantly rejects being deemed a colonial power in the Palestinian territories. Yet reality shows, time and again, that the government of Israel cannot claim to have a morally acceptable vision of the future if it continues using violence against unarmed citizens.
Shooting into a crowd of demonstrators who pose no danger to Israeli citizens or soldiers might prove to be a war crime. It is the duty of the international community, especially European Union member states, to intervene. Such use of live ammunition must be forbidden against future demonstrations.
Nearly a century has gone by since soldiers of the British Indian army opened fire at an unarmed, nonviolent crowd of pilgrims, gathering in a public garden in Amritsar, in Punjab. The crime of the 379
dead and hundreds of wounded was the mere fact that they assembled, in defiance of government decrees. The incident rattled India and Britain. Some historians claim this point in time, namely April 13th, 1919, was when Britain began to lose its grip on India and, ultimately, its entire empire.
Almost 60 years have passed since police forces in disarray fired into a mass of nonviolent demonstrators in Sharpeville, in South Africa. The demonstration was part of a large campaign headed by the ANC (and by its rival, the PAC) against the pass laws, a set of rules, imposed by the apartheid authorities, severely restricting the freedom of movement of most African citizens. The police shot 69 people dead and severely wounded 180 others. That day, March 19th, 1960, was the beginning of the end of the apartheid regime, dismantled 34 years
later, when free elections were first held.

UNARMED DEMONSTRATORS
On Sunday, January 30th, 1972, British forces opened fire on unarmed demonstrators in Derry. Thirteen people were killed on the spot, and another died a few days later from his wounds, in what would later be known as Bloody Sunday. Many years passed before the Saville inquiry deter¬mined that opening fire at demonstrators was unjustified and unjustifiable. The seeds of the Belfast Agreement were planted the day British soldiers shot at unarmed, nonviolent civilians.
On Friday, March 30th, civil-society organisations in Gaza initiated a new course of action: nonviolent protest. Tens of thousands of demonstrators have been assembling each Friday after prayer, at protest centres located along the border fence dividing the Gaza Strip from the sovereign territory of Israel. They will do so again tomorrow.
The Israel Defense Forces were prepared for the demonstrations. Snipers received orders to shoot live ammunition at demonstrators, in some cases even to shoot to kill. The soldiers were not defending themselves. Nobody was endangered - neither Israeli citizens nor the soldiers. Fire was opened to deter citizens from approaching the fence separating Gaza from Israel.
Israel’s nightmare is that masses of Palestinians cross the fence and sweep into Israel. The Israel Defense Forces would have no response to that. On the other hand the lives of Palestinians in
Gaza are becoming meaningless to many in Israel, for which history will surely judge us. An independent international inquiry must be established to transparently investigate incidents in which live ammunition was fired at unarmed demonstrators.
Yet where is the international community? Why do the protests seem so half-hearted? Why aren’t diplomatic means being used to deter Israel from such direct and brutal violence towards unarmed nonvio¬lent Palestinian demonstrators? Could the European Union and its members, including Ireland, believe that this isn’t
the time for a stern rebuke of Israel, as the situation in Syria is boiling to a point of conflict between the superpowers?
These countries might not be pleased with Israel’s conduct but seem to prefer the profitable economic co-operation between Israel and EU member states. Is Ireland, too, among the states that hope the demonstrations will just dissipate, saving them the trouble of a sharp diplomatic rebuke? What scares Israel about these nonviolent demonstrations in Gaza? The possibility that this form of popular protest will spill over to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, leaving the authorities helpless. Firing live ammunition at nonviolent, unarmed demonstrators is an act of inconceivable brutality, yet standing indifferently on the sidelines is inconceivable, too.

ILAN BARUCH'S RESIGNATION


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 09:32 AM

Donuel. Try English!


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 08:58 AM

DtG - judging by very recent posts...


what may be more appropriate here is "Old Model Barmy"...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 08:15 AM

[Iains         I found a new BFF for you.]

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in America
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:39 PM

Donual,

If you HAVE an RPG, YOU are in violation of the law, and a felon...

You remain one of those with "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s ownAs for " if you want a cure for all racism and religious bigotry, just get rid of all the different people"

Isn't THAT what YOU are in the process of doing? ANYONE who differs with YOUR opinions is evil, wrong, Nazi, and should be removed.

When do you start the ovens up? No room for ANY discussion.

[This is what a case of Conspiria looks like in stage 4. You are a 3]


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 07:38 AM

By way of a diversion, PFR, I am currently listening to 'Thunder and Consolation' by New Model Army over earphones while pretending to work. Right up your street I reckon but you probably already know that :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 06:57 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 06:56 AM

I can;t blame predictive text... "steadfast" is wot should have been spilled corrictly..


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 06:54 AM

Jim - K**** is getting desperate to provoke you...

stay streadfast mate...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:57 AM

Jim - This is what he wants.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:56 AM

Another botched attempt? What a bunch of amateurs?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5655125/Scientist-developed-Novichok-poison-used-Salisbury-run-car.html

As believable as below!

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:48 AM

"It shows again how extreme your views are. "
Someone who describes as "silly" and ""harmless", an antisemitic poem calling for the death of Jews written by a wartime fascist who was head of a group preparing for Hitler's victory in the war - is the last one in the world to accuse anybody of being "extreme" Keith
In your sick support for that piece of antisemitic filth, you are supporting not only an attack on the Jewish People at a time when they were being rounded up for mass-extermination, but also the gang who were preparing for the Nazis to take over Britain
I have put up the poem - you have never withdrawn your views on it, despite the fact that we now know that the predictions of the mass-murder of Jews cane into fruition six milionfold shortly after it was written
In the full knowledge of those deaths, Bobad, Robo and Bearded Bruce - all enthusiastic accusers of the rest of us as "Jew haters" support Ramsey's poem with their refusal to condemn you for the anti-semite you have proven yourself
Anybody who would like to see the people Keith and his team are supporting - Look up Archibald Maule Ramsey - a true 'British Gentleman'   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:21 AM

Interesting report from the Home Affairs committee that contains the truth of the matter, Steve. But, as I said, it does not belong on here. I have bookmarked the page for future reference. There will, of course, be cherry picking from it by certain parties but, having read it in full, I can confirm that there is more in our favour than otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 03:15 AM

Keir Starmer said on R4 just now that those who deny the problem are part of the problem, which means you guys.
He said he spoke for Corbyn too.

It shows again how extreme your views are.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:49 PM

"Just Labour"
It is now impossible to distinguish between Antisemitism and criticism of Israel
OFFICIAL
Talk your eye off a moron for five minutes and he becomes a bigger moron
Proven beyond a shadow of doubt
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:38 PM

I'm getting addled. It was ok after all!


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:17 PM

Er, dodgy sentence construction there but you know what I mean innit...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:15 PM

Hmmm. Considering the rampant, naked Tory racism revealed by the Windrush outrage, which is oh so real, oh so awful and oh so disgusting, I should think that the confected "outrage" about so-called Labour antisemitism, whipped up by disaffected anti-Corbynites in Labour and by right-wing Jewish groups such as the Board Of Deputies (the true antisemites), I'm amazed that anyone here should have the balls to bring it up again. What a laugh.

And, to the two trolls likely to respond, that's my piece and don't even begin to THINK that I'll enter into exchanges with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 10:06 AM

That makes a change! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 09:57 AM

DtG - you are soooooo right..


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 09:48 AM

Why on earth is someone going on about antisemitism in a thread about dodgy Russian dealings I wonder.

Trolling I guess. Just ignore it.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 09:47 AM

Right..

Right then...

Righty tighty - lefty loosey...


... handy to remember for those with loose screws...


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 09:32 AM

BTW, the lead item on BBC and ITV news today, yet again, is Labour Party anti-Semitism.
Just Labour.
I was right about that too.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:40 AM

No Dave. I am having a boring morning so I am playing with Mr. Google.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-saudi-arabia-funding-isis

and one for the trump haters here, all's about Hilary


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew
Three cheers for Wikileaks!


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Iains,
support for Isis via Quatar and Saudi has been alluded to by various sources

Yes, and you could have mentioned Turkey too, but no Western involvement.

Thus far the war in Syria has been by proxy.

Then who are the proxy comabatants? No Western country.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:29 AM

OMG - Now you are inviting retribution from bobad as well. Are you a masochist?


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:21 AM

Keith part of my response might have been a little tongue in cheek, but there is an underlying grain of truth. You appear to live in a fantasy world where everything can be as simple as black white yes no.
I think I have managed to paint a picture where it is pretty obvious everyone lies through their teeth and everyone that has come to the party has conflicting aims and desires. Humanitarian concerns are on no one's agenda.
Proxy support for Isis via Quatar and Saudi has been alluded to by various sources, and parachute drops of munitions to one set of crazies seems to always end up eventually with the Isis set of crazies. Munitions with clearly established identity and accompanying end user certificates end up in war zones thousands of miles from their stated destination. Planes unload at destinations never logged on any flight plan. Collusion occurs at all levels between many governments. The picture painted by the MSM could hang on any wall, but the bottom feeders thrive.
But never mind, you keep feeding on everything the presstitutes feed you. I prefer to cast my net far wider and as a result I see a far murkier world out there.
Meanwhile for anyone still bothering with this thread a couple of links to consider. The thing to ask yourself is "what game plan" is being followed?
Is the mighty coalition toppling a brutal dictator on the grounds of a humanitarian rescue on an epic scale? One is rather put in mind of the old adage "better dead than red" judging by the resultant death toll.
Or is it blindly following the script outlined by General Wesly Clark ,
the former Supreme Allied commander and Chief of NATO in Europe saying saying that within 5 years(from 2007) seven countries must fall, one of them is Syria.
An alternative view below.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/poison-gas-weapon-of-choice-for-false-news/5635839?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm

or the world according to the BBC (what they say is intriguing-what they do not say is significant.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29004253

The next article is very interesting especially the last paragraphs.

https://www.wired.com/story/terror-industrial-complex-isis-munitions-supply-chain/

Thus far the war in Syria has been by proxy. The most likely candidate to make a severe escalation is Israel. Her continuing raids on Syria will eventually generate retribution. Israel has been a loose cannon in the Middle East for decades. It need to be put on a leash, not encouraged.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 05:26 AM

Once again, Iains, don't say you was not warned!


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 04:19 AM

I am sorry for those remarks. I was unwell and not myself when I made them.
I asked Joe to delete them and apologised at the time.

PFR,
It seems to me that a chap persistently making 2+2=5.98765432345 to suit his own ends...
ie.. if you said 'that' then what you really mean is...


I did not invent the fact that Iains suddenly started talking about the war with Isis as if it was part of the civil war in Syria.
I did not invent the fact that when challenged he admitted "in all honesty when it comes to the various sects of headloppers I make no attempt to keep up with the name changes."

Iains,
the rest of the week (USA)is training Isis and rearming them to continue the "good" fight.

Completely untrue. US and Coalition air power has driven ISIS from all its territories and the survivors are now on the run.
Your claim is entirely made up by you. It has not been made by anyone else anywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 04:55 PM

Apologies. No point in babbling about a mythical map above. Here is the link.


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2015/05/syria-country-divided-150529144229467.html

and a more confusing one.

https://syriancivilwarmap.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 04:32 PM

I sit corrected :<)


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