BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 05:49 AM

I'll wat to see what Corbyn actually says rather than rely on the words of a ultra right-wing fanatic if it's all the same To you

He says,
"I acknowledge there is a real problem of anti-Semitism that Labour is working to overcome."

And,
"I'm sorry for the hurt that has been caused to many Jewish people."

And,
"Anyone who denies that this has surfaced within our Party is clearly actually wrong and contributing to the problem."

So you and your gang have been proved to have been wrong all this time, and I was right all along.

BTW, who is this "ultra right-wing fanatic?"
I am an ex-Labour voter who hopes to be one again.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 05:36 AM

The deniers come up with all sorts of distraction techniques. Only problem is they do not work.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 05:31 AM

"Corbyn says it is about attacks on the Jewish people,"
Keith - the Israelis have been attacking the Jewish people from day one by claiming that their own terrorist behaviour is "Jewish"
I'll wat to see what Corbyn actually says rather than rely on the words of a ultra right-wing fanatic if it's all the same To you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:50 AM

Jim,
this has always been about expunging socialism from the agenda of a Socialist Party , rather than attcks on the Jewish people

Corbyn says it is about attacks on the Jewish people, proving you wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:34 AM

"Telling it like it is!"
Beats ansering questions I suppose
As a Times reader I am treated to a bdaly barrage of hate filled shite from a once great newspaper that has now become Murdoch's bumwipe
But it is nice to receive further confirmation that this has always been about expunging socialism from the agenda of a Socialist Party , rather than attcks on the Jewish people
If you'd only said this in the first place you wouldn't have wasted so much time stumbling into blind alley
Did I thank you for the Ruth Smeeth link - I'm sure I must have!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:33 AM

Jim, you are still denying Labour anti-Semitism, but Corbyn himself admits it!

"I acknowledge there is a real problem of anti-Semitism that Labour is working to overcome."

He has destroyed your case and shown that I was right all along.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:28 AM

Is that the same Labour party and leadership that only last year wiped out the Tory majority?

….but still lost, yes.

How are they doing in the polls now?

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:27 AM

"The issues regarding Mr. Corbyn so far as I've seen involve direct actions and recordings and meetings taken with the said Mr. Corbyn. Picking out a single person and dumping on them seems to be an act
of . . . scapegoating."
You appear to be fishing in a dark pool -
To prove that you have to come up with far mor examples that there are ar#t present
There is not one single example of a senior politician attacking The Jerwish People - not one- all the attacks have been against Zionism
Since when has it been anti semitic or racist to attack a political party or ideal
I have no time for Hamas - or any religion based organisation, but lets face it, the Hamas is the force that is preventing the total eviction or wiping out of the Palestinian People
The Worl
d is standing by doing nothing while many thousands are being evicted from their homes - go look at a then and now Israel map to see the Palestinian territory has shrunk
People refer to the rocket attacks - go compare the dead on both sides right to the beginning of the conflict - go count the civilian losses and see how Israel and Palestinian figures compare
In the recent border protests the largely unreported casualty figures are 168 dead and up to 17,259 injured - - not one of those was Israeli

Israel has embarked on a process of ethinic cleansing and between a third and a half of the Israeli population have been found to support that process
How the **** do you expect them to react - lie down in front of the tanks?
Hanas stands between the Palestinian state and total annihilation

The State of Israel was won and established on acts of terrorism - the terrorists became national leaders and heroes - Israel still celebrates the bombing of The King David Hotel - an act of terror
Terrorism was major part of the establishing of The State of Israel - that's what happens when a weak, ineffectual pgroup takes on a larger more powerful oppressor

Corbyn's role has been exaggerated and deliberately distorted - his actions have been public knowledge for years and have only become 'support fr terrorism' in the last eighteen months
Corby in sopporting action against the terrorist state of Israel, and for that, he has my full support - I only wish he'd say what he has to say much louder
Ist#raels State terrorist behaviour has been appeased by the press and by politicians for decades
Mass murder, mass land seizures, the use of heavy artillery on civilians, destruction of homes, school, hospitals- mostly briefly reported and then either forgotten or protected by American U.N. vetoes.
If it hadn't been for the U.S., Israel would have faced prosecution in the International Criminal Court.
ISRAEL'S TERRORISM WRIT LARGE

" Don't make me re-think my spittle comments! "
You seem to be a fair way up your own jaxi to belive I give two monkeys what you think (or haven't thought about) - I respond to you only out of politeness -
You haven't actually offered anything that hasn't been said and shot down long ago
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 04:06 AM

The Times today:
"The auditions are about to start for the man or woman who can save the Labour Party. The saviour sought will need an appeal that extends beyond the narrow tribe gathered at the conference. He or she will have to identify and embody a new start, to allow the party to leave its current travails behind. The aching for direction, not offered by the stuttering incumbent, is palpable; senior people in the Labour Party long for leadership in private."

Telling it like it is!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:55 AM

Dave!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:54 AM

Is that the same Labour party and leadership that only last year wiped out the Tory majority?

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:52 AM

Steve,
. It's more about a determined effort to unseat Corbyn. The Blairites want their party back and they'll stop at nothing to get it,

Your ludicrous claim that it is just Corbyn's enemies fabricating all this is risible.
Corbyn himself is admits it!

"I acknowledge there is a real problem of anti-Semitism that Labour is working to overcome."

"I'm sorry for the hurt that has been caused to many Jewish people."

"Anyone who denies that this has surfaced within our Party is clearly actually wrong and contributing to the problem."

That last quote applies to all of your group.
His words prove that over the years we have discussed this, you were wrong and I was right all along.

Stop the denial and pretence. You have no case.
Corbyn has smashed it.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:44 AM

And there are some here still in denial. Never mind, instead of accepting the charges, resolving the situation and moving on, there are a minority (well represented on this forum) who refuse to let the matter die down and refuse to acknowledge the charges.
   I must congratulate you for your valiant efforts that ensure the Labour party under Corbyn will never take power.

Corbyn and co, the dream team of catastrophe! Luvvin it!

You have allowed this festering soret to totally overshadow and obliterate any concerted action on Brexit.

Those denying labour's problems here are many of those same people refusing to accept the referendum results on Brexit, yet show a total inability to see how one impacts the other.
I find it hilarious. Pray continue the good work!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:31 AM

which i think is unlikely.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 03:29 AM

well theres the implication that they are part of a tory plot.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 02:32 AM

As soon as that article says "constitutionally genocidal", the author has lost it. The Hamas charter does not call for genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 09:34 PM

Jim Carroll:
The issues regarding Mr. Corbyn so far as I've seen involve direct actions and recordings and meetings taken with the said Mr. Corbyn. Picking out a single person and dumping on them seems to be an act
of . . . scapegoating.
And Diversion.
Standard tactics for someone with an ethnic axe to grind.

Consider the article to which I linked early on in this thread:

"Mr. Corbyn has described the constitutionally genocidal Hamas as his “friends.” He’s appeared on stage with inveterate anti-Semites. He’s defended a mural that depicted hooknosed bankers running the world. He’s attended a wreath-laying ceremony that celebrated the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics massacre.
All of this was variously offensive, tone-deaf, ignorant or, at times, insidious. But none of these scandals quite clinched it for me. The associations were often tangential. And, I reasoned, there was the possibility of confusion: Mr. Corbyn is not exactly known for his sharp wits.
Then, last Thursday, The Daily Mail released a video of Mr. Corbyn speaking at a 2013 conference in London about Britain’s legacy in Palestine. The conference was promoted by the Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas. Other speakers included Stephen Sizer, who has appeared alongside Holocaust deniers at a conference in Iran. So far, so familiar."
It has more to say from there, from the author's point of view
And then you go and make personal observations of those who disagree with you. Don't make me re-think my spittle comments! Keep your screen clear and attempt to do the same with your mind.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 08:13 PM

What distrust?

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 08:05 PM

I'm going along with some Jewish friends, lifelong Labour supporters and socialists, fellow musicians as it happens.

They deserve better than your distrust.

Like I say I don't understand what the fuck is going on. But I do know the situation in Palestine is not a good enough reason to alienate sections of our supporters

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 08:04 PM

Just to clarify
I and I doubt anybody here, have no argument whatever with the probability that there are Jew Haters in the Labour Party, and among the Tories and Lib Dems...
Anti semitism is the oldest and most persistent form of cultural hatred on this Planet
Labour, a party with a history of anti racism and anti prejudice, created largely by refugee Jews, is less likely tto have a problem than any other Party
The Tory Party brushes such problems under the carpet - several years ago it was accused of having an Islamophobic probem
In contrast to Corbyn, who acted immediately, the Tories have done NOTHING

The Accusers here -
Keith - a Tory who says he will only vote Labour again if the supporters of Criminal Tony Blair take charge
Iains - an extremist right winger who posted his support for extremist Islamophobe Rommy Robinson and gloatingly drew attention to the petition insisting that Robinson not be jailed for Islamophobic hate-campaigning
Bobad - a declare hater of all things Muslims who onece filled this forum with hate postings from some of the most extreme racist and Islamophobic hate sites on the web, attempting to prove that the Muslim people have been a hate-filled religion since Biblical Times

Now - were I a self-respecting Jew, would I want any of these people to speak on my behalf (rhetorical question, of course)
The fact that none of these people are not prepared to acknowledge that there is a world-wide problem of antisemitism and insist that it only exists within the Labour Party in the form of "insulting and intimidation" in a clear indication (to me at least) exactly where the welfare of the Jewish people stand in their particular books

Crying 'wolf' over a non proven and probably non-existent "Antisemitism Problem" is only going to help the rise of antisemitism - immaterial anyway - their aim is to support the bringing down of the Labour Party - The Jewish People are just collateral damage as far as they are concerned
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 07:30 PM

"They are charges of intimidation and abuse, and of racist comments,"
What are they Keith
You say "racist" but your friend Bobad stridently denies that the Jews are a race
Insi#ults aren't antisemitic unless they are specified as being so - can you tell us what these antisemitic insults are
What is the intimidation - are Labour Party members threateni#ning #to hang all the Jews in Parliament ?
Same with abuse - do you have any examples of Antisemitic abuse ?
Iaains link showed antipathy towards the Zionists who, it has been shown, are interfering in British politics - Iain's linking an employee of the Israeli Government provided proof, as if any were needed, that there is a direct link between these accusations of antisemitism and the Israeli multi-million anti-BDS campaign (for which am very grateful - thank you Iains)   

So what do we have - the Israe;li government attempting to smear a Labour Party Leader and an ongoing battle bring waged within the Labour Party to rid itself of a principled Socialist leader
Do you not think that's understandable grounds for abuse
As for intimidation - have you ever seen Parliamentary Whips dragging reluctant MPs through the Lobby to vote on unpopular issue?
Thry this for size, blue eyes!
THE KILLING FIELDS of WESTMINSTER

I'm afraid you are going to have to do better than a few vague accusations Keith

Are you really going along with this Tory shit Al - shame on you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 05:52 PM

If you honestly think that that's an answer and not just Keith doing his routine repetitive formulaic burbling, then you are easily satisfied. The question is simply not addressed. Down the years in these threads, every single specific accusation of supposed antisemitic remarks within Labour has been addressed in detail and soundly refuted. Perhaps you haven't had the energy to follow the threads. I wouldn't blame you. Yes it's very energy-sapping. But, as far as the electorate is concerned, this issue is a fart in the wind compared to Labour's paralysis over brexit. That's where we are severely letting the Tories off the hook.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 05:27 PM

why doesn't it answer Jim's question?

If its going on - it needs to stop. I don't know a lot of jews, but those I do know seem to think theres some substance to the complaints. You just don't like the answer.

You're right Jim. I haven't been to Israel, or Palestine. I don't know what's going on. But I do know that for many years, there has not been this contentious anti Israel stuff arriving in my mail box.

The number of people who questioned Israel's motives and actions - you could count on one hand......er Vanessa Redgrave, David Mellor....and...

And now suddenly its the cassus belli in the Labour Party. Its the reason we're throwing away the next election. And I say to you, the situation in the middle east is ongoing and its not a good enough to hand the country to the tories.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 03:00 PM

Which in no way answers Jim's question.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 02:56 PM

This leaves the crucial question still unanswered - WHAT IS THIS ANTISEMITISM LABOUR IS BEING ACCUSED OF?


They are charges of intimidation and abuse, and of racist comments, and they come from Jews and some non-Jews within the party, mostly MPs.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 02:44 PM

RUTH SMEETH'S EMPLOYER

Once again an accusation of antisemitism is linked directly back to Israel - this time via a paid employee
Incidentally, despite the fact that the language reported by Smeeth in Hansard was both ill-mannered and unacceptable (if her description s true) it attacks her as a supporter of "Zionism" not for being a Jew, therefore it doesn't fit any definition of Antisemitism I am aware of
Zionism is a political movement - not a religion, not a culture, not a race - a political movement

This leaves the crucial question still unanswered - WHAT IS THIS ANTISEMITISM LABOUR IS BEING ACCUSED OF?

Al
If you really do reduce what his happening in The Middle East to "the Jews and the Arabs will be merrily kicking each other up the arse " I seriously suggest you take a look at what is happening there
Might I suggest something neutral like Amnesty International ot Human Rights Watch or The United Nations or ot Medicines Sans Frontires reports
YOUR STARTER FOR TEN
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 02:14 PM

These people have had frigging years to get worked up about the Palestinians plight. Everyone knows the Jews and the Arabs will be merrily kicking each other up the arse down the road into eternity.

To use these unfortunate people as an excuse for not taking the fight to the tories is intellectually dishonest.

Anyway, like I say = lets hope I am completely wrong. i've heard it said - Corbyn is cynically courting the Islamic vote,

I really don't know what games the politicians are playing. They're all too clever for their own damn good.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:59 PM

There ya go, Iains - a real honest broker. Not. No denial our end. No understanding your end.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:57 PM

MORE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:32 PM

RUTH SMEETH
RUTH SMEETH 2
RUTH SMEETH 3
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:30 PM

Now why would you believe Ruth Smeeth, who put on a deliberate act of amateur dramatics, complete with fake tears, at the launch of the Chakrabarti report in order to discredit Marc Wadsworth, a man who has fought racism and antisemitism all his life, who criticised her collusion with the press but who didn't know she was a Jew? You're it again. All received wisdom, confirmation bias and no actual research. Why don't you look into it?

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:29 PM

Damn, Jim Carroll, DTG, Iaians, Steve Shaw, KarenH, you've been goin' all night. I'm still getting around my morning espresso! Love what you've done with the thread, you've gone intense but not too vituperative. In fact, I was the one who went vituperative. Sorry about that JC.

JC: I'm actually pretty ignorant of your Labour/ Conservative issues so I've held off saying anything and I think I've said as much. I'm only speaking to comments positions that Corbyn has taken regarding mideast issues. I feel safe with that but as regards National Front and other UK issues I know better than to pretend I've got background which I don't. Wish you felt the same regarding Israel.

As for the UK being welcoming of all races and creeds. That is a recent phenomenon. (Recent for the UK means last 200 years. Recent for Americans means after last lunch). Jews enjoyed exile from King John until Oliver Cromwell. Catholics were on again, off again, way way off, slightly on, half on, we'll marry them but they must convert on. Jamaicans were on, then on? (and so on).

As for the focus of rising antisemitism, it is not all from the right. I writ elsewhere that AS is a complicated thing. But one simple to understand item is, unfortunately a lot of endemic AS by Muslims, some from the Qu'ran, some from the Hadith (sayings not in the Qu'ran but attributed to the Prophet and those around him), and some that gets blended with anti-Israel sentiments. Now that there are more Muslims penetrating the West, it is showing up everywhere. And not that more Muslims are showing up in American politics, it is showing up there as well. Since Democrats are trying harder than Reps for new voters, it is seaping in America from the left. UK mileage may vary. Fact of life. Better to face up to it now. American Jews are still overwhelmingly Democratic and on many fronts are engaging with American Muslims positively. There is actually more to American life than Israel, and most Muslim problems are from other Muslims.

Oh, one more time. . . trope!

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 01:07 PM

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-04-17/debates/9D70B2B4-39D7-4241-ACF8-13F7DFD8AEB2/Anti-Semitism#contribution-0838975

Ruth Smeeth a speech about antisemitism in the Labour party in the House of Commons.

The opening sentence:
Over the past two years, however, I have experienced something genuinely painful: attacks on my identity from within my own Labour family. I have been the target of a campaign of abuse, attempted bullying and intimidation from people who would dare to tell me that people like me have no place in the party of which I have been a member for over 20 years, and which I am proud to represent on these Benches.


Yet there are still contributors from the left here in denial.

I recommend the speech is read in full, including the vile comments received by her.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 12:54 PM

Should read 'Labour Friends of Israel' - of course
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 12:45 PM

"which side were you on in the other era's"
I'm a humanitarian socialist Al - I don't have "sides"
As far as I am concerned everybody has an equal right to a voice - the emphasis being "equal"

If you don't believe it has been instigated by Israel - explain the timeline
You tell me why Labour never has#d a pr#oblem with antisemitism until nearly exactly one month after a meeting between a group of Friends of Labour 'Friends of Israel' and members of Netanyahu's cabinet to discuss Corbyn's declared support for the Palestinian people ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 12:25 PM

I agree that Labour is twatting about and not putting the heat on the Tories. The Palestinians hardly get a mention. It's more about a determined effort to unseat Corbyn. The Blairites want their party back and they'll stop at nothing to get it, even if it means putting the Tories in. The Friends of Israel, the Board of Deputies and the Israeli regime want to keep it all nice and cosy with complicit Western leaders who'll raise nobbut a token whimper at Gaza sieges, mass slaughters, racial discrimination and wholesale land theft. They don't want a dissident voice in the ranks speaking up for Palestinians. But at home it's all about just getting Jezza out. If he flew over to Israel with a bunch of flowers tomorrow to lick Bibi's boots they'd still all find something. I think I'm getting a proxy persecution complex.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:55 AM

Well if its not coming from inside the Labour Party Jim, it would take a bloody clever enemy to think up this bollocks.

I think its got all the hallmarks of Labour twatting about instead of getting on with the job - something we've seen subtle variations of since the Gaitskell years.

I mean there's very little you can say to dissidents. They always have a valid point. And its always more important than party unity.

In Gaitskell's time it was the bomb. In Kinnock's time, it was the issue of union power.

And now its the cause of the Palestinians.

There's always something that is more important than taking the power off the tories.

Out of interest, Jim.....which side were you on in the other era's. Are you always on the side of the dissidents?

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:54 AM

"The usual suspects have run out of counter arguments again and resorting to insults"

Then, just a little while later,

"Tell me! Do you also believe the sun sets in the morming and rises at night? or perhaps you are flat earthers. Obviously logic is missing in your makeup..."

You don't do irony, do you? And I see you're at it with your "whole world" nonsense again, and that follows on from your utterly pointless and meaningless news-litany post. You're having a bad day. Keep your head down unless you have something of substance to say is my advice.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:43 AM

Is it not strange that worldwide there is recognition that labour under corbyn has a problem with antisemitism and a few diehards on a very obscure website insist on denying it? You may manage to convince yourselves with your delusion but rest assured the rest of us have absolute belief in the veracity of the accusation. When even Corbyn accepts there is a problem then for you to deny it is a total aberration. Tell me! Do you also believe the sun sets in the morming and rises at night? or perhaps you are flat earthers. Obviously logic is missing in your makeup.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:43 AM

"Hope this helps."
Depends on who you want to help Steve - certainly not those who wish to paint Labour as a viper's nest of Jew Haters
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:41 AM

"It is Labour Party members themselves who are making the accusations as you well know..........but do keep on denying."

There are over 600,000 Labour Party members. The vast majority, if not nearly all, of the accusations from within the party are coming from a group of disaffected ex-Blairite/Brownite MPs who dearly want to see Corbyn gone. Nobody is denying but one or two of us are trying to ensure that loose statements don't degrade the argument. By the way, accusations are also coming from the Board Of Deputies (not Labour Party members last time I checked), elements of the Jewish press in both Israel and the UK as well as from a goodly smattering of our mainstream papers and, not least, the Israeli regime itself, also last time I checked, not members of the British Labour Party. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:14 AM

You have my argument as to why there is a worldwide rise in antisemitism in which the Labour party doesn't register on the Richter scale of antisemitism
The fact that you refuse to respond is proof posetive that you with to continue to use the Jewish People as a political bludeon
Isn't that a bit antisemitic?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:10 AM

"It is Labour Party members themselves who are making the accusations as you well know."
No - it is supporters of Israel in the Labour Party who are making the accusations
The vast majority of Labour Party members either reject them or ignore it
This still doesn't get any nearer to understanding what exactly the Labour Party is being accused of - the accusations are meaningless until we do

No more to say in Israeli racism I assume?
Thought not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:07 AM

What exactly i this antisemitism you are accusing the Labour party of

It is Labour Party members themselves who are making the accusations as you well know..........but do keep on denying. As Corbyn himself has said: “Anyone who denies this has surfaced in our party is clearly wrong and contributing to the problem.”

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 11:00 AM

The usual suspects have run out of counter arguments again and resorting to insults
"The usual suspects " - great way accuse someone of insulting

What exactly i this antisemitism you are accusing the Labour party of
Can you describe it?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Iains
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 10:50 AM

The usual suspects have run out of counter arguments again and resorting to insults Here are a few snippets of news to consider.

It never rains but it pours:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7191471/jeremy-corbyns-anti-semitism-crisis-deepens-as-parliamentary-sleaze-chiefs-launch-investig

NEWS

    Jeremy Corbyn, Labour and the IHRA definition of antisemitism
    The Guardian
    The Labour party's adoption of the full IHRA definition of antisemitism (Report, 5 September) should not be the end but the start of renewed efforts to ...
    Labour votes for full antisemitism terms in standing orders - The Guardian
    The Guardian view on Jeremy Corbyn's Labour: it must be an anti-racist party - The Guardian
    Anti-Semitism in Britain has DOUBLED following Labour racism scandal – and 40% of Jews say ... - The Sun
    Full Coverage
    Corbyn's Labour, British Jews and anti-Semitism: Will Peace Now Break Out?
    Haaretz
    Jeremy Corbyn, UK Labour leader, arrives at a meeting of his party's National Executive Committee to discuss its definition of anti-Semitism. London ...
    Jeremy Corbyn tried to permit calling Israel inherently racist - The Jerusalem Post
    Chakrabarti denies anti-Semitism code 'sullied' by extra statement - BBC News
    Labour anti-Semitism row: Israel criticism defended - BBC News
    Full Coverage
    'Israel Is a Racist Endeavour': Signs Appear Across London After Labour Accepts Full anti ...
    Haaretz
    Corbyn's Labour, British Jews and anti-Semitism: Will Peace Now Break Out? ... The posters appeared a day after the U.K. Labour Party adopted the ...
    London bus stops vandalized with anti-Israel posters - The Times of Israel
    Full Coverage
    Jeremy Corbyn hit with BARRAGE of calls to APOLOGISE from Tory MPs during PMQs
    Express.co.uk
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    Senior Labour backbencher Dame Margaret Hodge, who clashed with Mr Corbyn over anti-Semitism, said the leader had “sullied” the adoption of the ...
    Labour MPs back anti-Semitism rules and call for talks - Metro Newspaper UK

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 10:24 AM

APARTHEID ISRAEL - IT'S OFFICIAL !!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 10:10 AM

AND ANOTHER
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 10:08 AM

ANOTHER
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The UK Labour Party and Antisemitism.
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 18 - 09:50 AM

Shocking VIDEO reveals just how "racist" Israel is. Viewer discretion advised.