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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Thompson Date: 21 Jan 19 - 02:37 AM Raw what, though? Any tips, Backwoodsman? It might be a puppy thing. My painted puppy farts like Big Bertha; my late and deeply lamented old girl never farted at all; she was 15/16ths border collie, the rest labrador. The only real difference is that he's a blue-eyed merle; I hope the farting doesn't suggest something wrong inside, since merles are a genetic sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Jan 19 - 03:40 AM Lots of information on t'interweb, Thompson. We did a lot of research - let Google be your friend - about what elements need to be in a dog's raw diet, the 80-10-10 rule, making up your own balanced raw food, commercially-produced raw foods, yadda yadda. Too much to learn for me to go through it all here, but we ended up, after some trial and error, using commercially prepared raw feeds, which we supplemented with e.g. raw tripe, rabbit with fur, and other proteins which included a percentage of bone. It's a very interesting topic to bone-up on (pun intended!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Jan 19 - 05:00 AM My long departed dog was asleep on the sofa.. maybe dreaming... Suddenly he let out the most massive loud fart that so startled him awake, he leapt up in the air and ran off scuttling to hide behind the sofa...!!! These days folks would have Gopros and phone cameras aimed constantly at their dogs with ambitions for youtube viewing advertising monetisation, and sales to TV OOPS shows... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Jan 19 - 06:57 AM "These days folks would have Gopros and phone cameras aimed constantly at their dogs" Mrs Backwoodsperson wishes it to be known that she resembles that remark... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Jan 19 - 04:35 PM Nothing but the best for our grey - Burns!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 27 Jan 19 - 05:17 PM And not before time! Training HUMANS!! Need to track down a dog poo-petrator? There’s a DNA test for that. A Pennsylvania complex is requiring its residents’ canines to undergo testing so any dog poop can be traced back – and there are health benefits too! https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/27/dog-dna-test-pooprints |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: keberoxu Date: 29 Jan 19 - 06:59 PM Nice to hear, Bonzo3legs, that your Dreamy and you are getting on so well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Jan 19 - 11:24 PM Pets do make great photo subjects, especially if your children are grown and you don't have grandchildren yet. :) I have photographed and made a few videos - the short videos are of repeat offenses, generally, predictable events so I can get the phone or camera out in time. No gopro or any pricey equipment around the dogs, especially back when my late pit bull was here. She would give something a chomp and it stayed chomped, though I remember the occasion when I dropped my phone in its case in the back yard. Fearing the worst, I hurried back out to search and found her carrying it very delicately, and her expression was so sweet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mrrzy Date: 30 Jan 19 - 11:38 AM Can I toss in the idea that one bite by a pit bull might cost you your arm, but one bite from a labrador retriever would likely not? Some breeds were bred for violence in ways others weren't. Fact. Yes, it takes an owner to train it poorly/well, but let's not ignore reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 30 Jan 19 - 12:01 PM Jaysus, don't throw toss to the dog-worshippers! They'll worry and savage it to death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: punkfolkrocker Date: 30 Jan 19 - 12:18 PM "dog-worshippers!".....!!!!???? wtf...??? .. get a grip... dog haters ought try to remain reasonably balanced about the long historic working relationship between humanity and dogs...??? Can't say I've ever met anyone bonkers enough to pray to their dog.. and I don't live that far from Glastonbury... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 19 - 01:31 PM Can I toss in the idea that one bite by a pit bull might cost you your arm, but one bite from a labrador retriever would likely not? Sorry, but Fact. Not. That's an opinion, not evidence. A very small fraction of the population bred dogs for fighting. A somewhat larger percentage of the population got the dogs for the wrong reasons, didn't socialize them properly or didn't care for them at all, and attacks happen. But that can be said of any variety of dog that is ill-cared for (see the link at the bottom of the page. Chihuahua is the number 1 biting dog.) As a child I was bit by an old cranky cocker spaniel in a setting where they should have known better than to leave the dog loose in their front yard where a child would be tempted to try to make friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier Most terrier breeds were refined from the older purpose-bred dogs. My pit bull could clear out the rats in the garage, but so could my blue heeler. Both are (the pit since passed away) excellent pets. https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 30 Jan 19 - 06:04 PM Sorry, but valid point: NOT. That's a (willful?) misunderstanding. Mrrzy's talking about biting force & potential damage that various breeds can inflict. If you are attempting to maintain that Chihuahuas anmd pit bulls are equivalent in this regard, then you're really................well, never mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 30 Jan 19 - 06:10 PM And apologies for the earler typo: should read "don't throw FACTS to the dog-worshippers". And if we have'nt just seen an excellent demonstration of dog-worship, we've seen the next best thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Jan 19 - 10:36 PM Mossback, heel. Pit bulls get a bad rap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jan 19 - 01:56 AM Mossback - the ages old working relationship between humanity and dogs is pragmatic and symbiotic - mutually beneficial... Dogs can work for and with us, from hunting, herding, guarding, pest control, crime fighting, search & rescue.. to the highest order of empathic therapy companions, and assistance for folks with impaired abilities and senses... Claims are now being made that they can even help diagnose illness such as cancer... In practical terms, dogs can be our friends and tools... So what tiny percentage of dogs are trained by anti social criminalistic pricks to be weaponised fighting and attack animals...??? Seriously, out of all the millions of dogs that do good for humanity, how many are trained to do 'evil'...??? Keep your disdain for dogs in perspective... I don't 'worship' dogs, I respect and have some affection for them... I can even tolerate cats... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 31 Jan 19 - 11:01 AM Hullo, PFR- the ages old working relationship between humanity and dogs Rather like the relationship with bedbugs and whip-worms. ;>) So what tiny percentage of dogs are trained by anti social criminalistic pricks to be weaponised fighting and attack animals...???....how many are trained to do 'evil'...??? Off point. See 30 Jan 19 - 06:04 PM Its not about "training"(or lack thereof) Keep your disdain for dogs in perspective I don't have disdain for dogs. I've a great respect for dogs. I often wish I had some myself. I just don't think that they're the ne plus ultra of the animal world. I DO have disdain for folks who will forgive anything a dog will do -or CAN do - with a facile "dogs will be dogs" attitude; ditto "its all a matter of training", ditto "its not the dog, its the owner", etc. Nobody needs an AR15 assault-type rifle, and nobody needs a pit bull or other breed capable of easily inflicting mortal damage on humans. See also among many available sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States and that doesn't cover maiming, disfigurement, infection & etc. Cheers, Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: leeneia Date: 31 Jan 19 - 11:08 AM I like dogs. But I want to point out that dog attacks are a significant cause of human deaths caused by animals. Everybody has mentioned poor socialization, but nobody has mentioned dogs attacking a human (esp a child) because it is desperate for water or food. It happens. When my niece was three, she was attacked by a neighbor's dog that had been chained outside on a hot day. The dog was desperate for water. The police were called, and the neighbor got the point. My niece, now 40, still has scars on her face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jan 19 - 11:15 AM Mossback/Bill - we may be on a more similar wavelength than apparent in forum 'exchanges'...??? I'd never put the needs of dogs before people, and find too many dog owners to be selfish irresponsible ****s I wouldn't oppose sensible laws enforcing dogs to be muzzled in public. The problem, as with most others, is achieving balance betwen good social behaviour and increasingly obnoxious human selfishness and stupidity... In my dreams I'd want dogs, ferrets, and guns.. but those are just daft impractical dreams.. idealising my semi-rural family past from half a century ago.. nothing more... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Jan 19 - 11:35 AM Btw.. considering I'm a massive fan of Western movies.. I've never liked horses... Vague memories one bit me when I was a small kid.. and they stink... Is there a league table of human injuries & deaths by domesticated animals...??? [including exotic pets like tigers and crocodiles...????] Round our way the occasional farmer gets killed by cows... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Mossback Date: 31 Jan 19 - 09:41 PM The problem, as with most others, is achieving balance between good social behaviour and increasingly obnoxious human selfishness and stupidity... Absolutely. And add hubris. In my dreams I'd want dogs, ferrets, and guns.. Whereas Warren Zevon only wanted lawyers, guns, and money. ;>) Is there a league table of human injuries & deaths by domesticated animals...??? [including exotic pets like tigers and crocodiles...????] I suspect there likely is, in one form or another. In the U.S. at least, there once was and may still be a publication of the Federal Centers for Disease Control entitled "Morbidity and Mortality Report". Best, Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Bonzo3legs Date: 02 Feb 19 - 05:49 AM None of these problems occur with a greyhound. Despite being the second fastest animal on the planet, they sleep from 16-20 hours per day!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dog training From: Senoufou Date: 02 Feb 19 - 05:55 AM In my experience of any species of domestic animals, I reckon they're all fairly benign if treated correctly, and their natural needs met (exercise, food, water, company, kindness etc) I think that most 'vicious' dogs have been rendered so by their inadequate or even cruel owners. Only exception is out two dairy farmers here in the village. They have both been menaced by cows, and always carry a long walking stick when in their pastures in case of attack. However, dairy farming involves the separation from their mothers of the calves, and I often hear the pitiful lowing of a female who is missing her calf. Maybe this is why cows can be dangerous? |
