BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 19 - 06:31 PM

An interesting progression in the case of the jihadi bride.
Apparently her ISIS followers grassed her and the Prime Minister and Home Secretary have been briefed by the intelligence services about claims that British-born Ms Begum was witnessed preparing suicide vests for would-be martyrs – sewing them on to the bombers so that the devices could not be removed without detonation.

Obviously not quite the little innocent she was painted to be, though she fooled many posting here!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Apr 19 - 07:03 PM

Considered opinion* is that should make her even more valuable
for vigorous debreifing
by security services back here in the UK...


{* slightly more credible than half wit knee jerk opinion...???]

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 06:05 AM

Does vigorous include waterboarding and other such delights?

In a ranking of credibility how does it compare with mainstream news stories about Trump and Assage?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 06:31 AM

This pursuit of a young person who took the decision she did when she was legally a child verges on Child abuse - no stranger to PAST MEMBERS OF OUR ESTABLISHMENT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 06:45 AM

The age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10 years. She started her life of crime at age 15 and can be treated as an adult from age 18.

Your argument is both fatuous and vacuous.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 07:06 AM

Stop pursuing children - there's a name for that sort of thing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 07:15 AM

Just a reminder that in this country we don't call people criminals until they have been tried and found guilty of crimes.

What was that line in Andy Irvine's song about Sacco and Vanzetti: "They're reds and what more do you need..."

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM

In many jurisdictions simply joining ISIS is a criminal act. Revocation of citizenship is also because of criminality. The burden of proof was obviously sufficient for the authorities to make that decision. That is good enough for me,in this instance.



Stop pursuing children - there's a name for that sort of thing

Oh dear???????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 07:51 AM

"Just a reminder that in this country we don't call people criminals until they have been tried and found guilty of crimes. "
And only barbaric regimes of the type Britain is in danger of becoming ignore the age and circumstances of those they try (or in this case, refuse to try)
Now the defenders of this atrocity is comparing Britain to other countries - whataboutism is always a good sign that they have no decent answer to this State atrocity
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 08:18 AM

Because of defeats in the courts, in 2014 an amendment changed Section 40 of the 1981 British Nationality Act to introduce a new power for the home secretary to cancel the citizenship of single nationality holders even at the risk of creating a stateless person. This was specifically tailored to fit the UK’s obligations under international law, and can only take place for conduct that is deemed seriously prejudicial to national interests.

I think we can be sure that the authorities know far more about the background of the person than we do. As all the lefties argue politicians know better than the little people the squawking over this particular case rings a tad hollow. Can I rent you a brand new bandwagon to jump on, the present one looks a little tawdry.

Even for jimmies love of provocative statements, to declare it an atrocity is simply stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 08:47 AM

Another raw nerve it would appear

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 09:30 AM

Don't engage with him at all, Jim. You can see from the brexit thread that he's being monitored. Make the mods' job easier by ignoring him.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 09:43 AM

"Don't engage with him at all, Jim"
Sorry - couldn't resist Steve - easy meat
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:05 AM

I merely put forward the view of the responsible authorities. To try to say it is a raw nerve merely demonstrates the paucity of your argument.
To claim that someone that allegedly knitted bodywarmers for suicide bombers is the subject of child abuse make me wonder just what vestigial contact with reality you still have. I suspect even you must have a problem believing some of your more asinine statements. Therefore I conclude you only post in order to sow discord and play the little innocent victim when your more ridiculous assertions are robustly rejected. I am surprised more do not recognize your transparent little ruse. It really gets tiresome.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:16 AM

Shhhh...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:24 AM

I think what pisses me off most about middle class intellectuals is their partisanship.

When i was a teacher in the ineer ring of Brum, I saw lots of kids sucked into a life of crime and ....prison, unemployment...and really no one had any sympathy for them. they were working class kids, often without the influence and exampleof a father, who went out to work.

And then came the drugs....do the middle classes not see any connection between the coke they sniff, the pills their kids pop...and those kids with knives that are regarded as feral vermin by the middle class commentators?

And look at how how the disadvantaged kids responsible for the jamie Bulger murder would have been lynched by a howling mob. And no great care seems to have taken over their rehabilitation.

And yet this young lady. she seems to have won your hearts.....poor dear, groomed to join a gang of international murderers, torturers, severed heads - just part of the furniture, probably belonging to no one important......

you left wingers don't seem very left wing to me. .

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:38 AM

I suppose on reflection what I mean is that we all know teachers, shopkeepers,   policemen, soldiers...young kids playing football on a carpark like that kid in manchester. We all know people like that. We don't want to see a threat to them.

Whereas this young lady took a gap year to join a gang murdering people that we don't know, and we don't know abpout their lives.

So we feel different.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:58 AM

"Mr Fox; Join Us in the Song "
Not sure who your "middle class intellectuals" is aimed at Al
I'm a retired electrician who was taught to respect all forms of human life with all its failings
This young woman became a victim of a policy of ignoring the acts of a mass murderer until his crimes became too obvious to ignore
Even when they did, our Government chose to do nothing about them, so thousands of young Muslims stepped into the gap that western policy created
There is no agreed definition of a Jihadist - it is a religious term which has nothing whatever to do with terrorism, but has become such through deliberate misuse
Britain's hands have been soaked in Syrian blood since Assad came to [power - they were fully aware of the mass murder and torture that was taking place, yet the regime remained our ally to the extent that we licenced much of the equipment that was used against peaceful protesters demanding the end to poverty and persecution, not just in Syria but in the rest of the Arab world
Cameron launched a massive arms fair a week after the Arab Spring protests started
I see great parallels between the inhman manner in which this girl is being treated and how my father was treated when he came back from fighting fascism in Spain
The West's inaction helped empower Isis, now its victims are exiled to live in squalor - they incluce both the Syrian refugees who will be refused entry to Britain when/if Brexit is settled, and those who went off to take up the fight that Britain should have waged
Those who did this have shamed Britain
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 10:58 AM

"Mr Fox; Join Us in the Song "
Not sure who your "middle class intellectuals" is aimed at Al
I'm a retired electrician who was taught to respect all forms of human life with all its failings
This young woman became a victim of a policy of ignoring the acts of a mass murderer until his crimes became too obvious to ignore
Even when they did, our Government chose to do nothing about them, so thousands of young Muslims stepped into the gap that western policy created
There is no agreed definition of a Jihadist - it is a religious term which has nothing whatever to do with terrorism, but has become such through deliberate misuse
Britain's hands have been soaked in Syrian blood since Assad came to [power - they were fully aware of the mass murder and torture that was taking place, yet the regime remained our ally to the extent that we licenced much of the equipment that was used against peaceful protesters demanding the end to poverty and persecution, not just in Syria but in the rest of the Arab world
Cameron launched a massive arms fair a week after the Arab Spring protests started
I see great parallels between the inhman manner in which this girl is being treated and how my father was treated when he came back from fighting fascism in Spain
The West's inaction helped empower Isis, now its victims are exiled to live in squalor - they incluce both the Syrian refugees who will be refused entry to Britain when/if Brexit is settled, and those who went off to take up the fight that Britain should have waged
Those who did this have shamed Britain
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 11:16 AM

""Mr Fox; Join Us in the Song ""
Sorry 'bout that
Thought I'd scanned in Al's words - copied down something from the abum digitisation 'm doing (hope nobody thinks I like 'Mr Fox')
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 11:30 AM

well if thats your stated belief that the people who joined ISIS are to be honoured in the way that honour the memory of the International Brigade. I guess that's your opinion and your entitled to it.

I persoanlly doen't really feel like that. Still its your opinion and you are of course entitled to it. And we should respect your right to that opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 12:44 PM

"well if thats your stated belief that the people who joined ISIS are to be honoured in the way that honour the memory of the International Brigade"
That's not what I said Al
I said they should not be criminalised - both were
I've given my reasons; you would make your case far better if you addressed what I said rather than putting up what I didn't mean

Assad is the West's self-created monster; criminalising the actions of people who tried to do something about him (for whatever reason) doesn't alter that fact one iota
What should have happened - should nobody have lifted a hand while Assad's thugs publicly massacred his people - that was what was happening ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 01:35 PM

The other thing, Al, is that the reported involvement in helping with suicide vests etc. is all weasel words. Things like 'witnesses claim' and 'intelligence sources told this newspaper they have been informed'. No actual facts in evidence at all. If you feel like believing the MSM, feel free but don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you do.

I am not at all sure about your claim that it is only 'middle class intellectuals who feel compassion for this girl. Are you trying to tell us that the working class are not intellectual or that they are unfeeling Daily Heil zombies?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 01:57 PM

'should nobody have lifted a hand while Assad's thugs publicly massacred his people - that was what was happenin'

Well the International Brigade and the factions opposing Franco probably didn't have completely clean sheet. Its not really in the nature of war that either side is free from the taint of atrocities.

it sounds to me as though you are grouping them together as comparable.

either that or you are proposing something far more complicated than i have understood.

in that part of the world its a close call who is the most corrupt.....that's the reality of the choices our leaders have to make. if you think we should be backing ISIS, all I can say is that's your right. Its not my opinion however.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:12 PM

no Dave, I think I'm I'm saying its easier to feel indulgent about murderous acts that don't happen on your doorstep.

I don't think she'd been groomed any more than West Indian kids who'd listened to Bob Marley and others advising them to smoke the hern, thus criminalising them. Some of the kids I taught ended up doing life sentences, with no public sympathy.

I'm saying public sympathy is VERY selective, and class based. Islamophobia is one of the current buzzwords amongst the left.

maybe the sight of severed heads should have phased her - ever so slightly at least. Maybe if one of those heads belonged to a member of your friends or family, you might see what i was saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:21 PM

I'm a bit of an old fashioned working class lefty...
and emotionally I'm completely indifferent to this girl
[well the mrs says I can be a heartless bastard..].
In fact I find her detestable..

But even if the extent of my compassion for her is minimal to say the least,
I do have sufficient intelligence to accept rational reasons
why she should be brought back home for questioning, trial and sentence....
Hopefully leading in the longer term to her reasonable rehabilitation in mainstream UK society...

So that's where I fit in the spectrum between lovers and haters of this girl..

I don't think my views on this issue are that uncommon...???

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:23 PM

There are no gap years at the age of 15. No-one here is singing the praises of Isis, Al, not even remotely. What we are saying is that we try to have some faith in our justice system and the rule of law. That means not calling our citizens criminals before they've been properly investigated, real evidence collected (not weaselly hearsay), trials held and convictions obtained. There's nothing softie-leftie about that. Just a desire to avoid lapsing into lynch-mob mentality, Al. By the way, though I wouldn't use it as a qualification, I cut my teeth as a teacher in two of the worst schools in the Black Country, then spent seven years teaching in Poplar and another six in a deprived part of Walthamstow. I'd also say that there are no excuses for people who radicalise young people, but we should seriously ask ourselves whether the inherent racism in our society, Islamophobia in particular, and our support for regimes that repress Muslims, doesn't provide fertile ground for the radicalisers.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:36 PM

"Well the International Brigade and the factions opposing Franco probably didn't have completely clean sheet."
So you wouldn't have let them back into Britain after the Civil War then ?
"to feel indulgent about murderous acts that don't happen on your doorstep."
Actually, nobody has suggested she killed anybody - she was barred brom Britain for her being a threat, but hey - what's a few facts between friends ?
Yiu have the rope over the branch despite te fact that there is no way of knowing what she did or why she went
Good ol' British justice
One of the main ourtcries by the authorities when these kids started to go wat that they had been or would be groomed - but you know better of course
Must have been born evil eh ?
Shame on you Al
I wonder how you would have reacted if it had been one of your relatives ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:36 PM

"Well the International Brigade and the factions opposing Franco probably didn't have completely clean sheet."
So you wouldn't have let them back into Britain after the Civil War then ?
"to feel indulgent about murderous acts that don't happen on your doorstep."
Actually, nobody has suggested she killed anybody - she was barred brom Britain for her being a threat, but hey - what's a few facts between friends ?
Yiu have the rope over the branch despite te fact that there is no way of knowing what she did or why she went
Good ol' British justice
One of the main ourtcries by the authorities when these kids started to go wat that they had been or would be groomed - but you know better of course
Must have been born evil eh ?
Shame on you Al
I wonder how you would have reacted if it had been one of your relatives ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:47 PM

I'll add..

If this girl had been killed in combat,
or an airstrike against isis strongholds - problem solved, no tears shed..

But she survives, she's an inconvenience for our tory government;
despite any intelligence value she may hold for security services,
or any potential future PR value if she could be turned against extemism
and become a more poitive role model for UK muslim youth...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 02:50 PM

"I don't think my views on this issue are that uncommon...???"
II think you're right unfortunate PFR
Very few think in terms of people like her being what they actually are, young, inexperienced human beings
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 03:48 PM

Jim - we can strive to be positive humanists without being all emotionally soppy about it...

..well at least that's my individual personality...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 03:57 PM

well shame on me....I don't feel any shame.

are you saying ISIS didn't do murderous acts?. The vast majority of the people they killed were Muslims. they oppressed muslims bloody sight more than the law in our country would allow or even the worst racists in our society ever could imagine.

let's turn this round why are you so keen to re-admit her into the society she has sworn emnity to? Why do you want to spend public money on her?

Can you really not think of more deserving cases? When she arrives here (as seems almost certain to happen) she's going to be very rich , the book deals are probably lining up as we speak.

I really have a lot of difficulty understanding you Jim. You despise most pro musicians, saying they have have sold out. Even though most of them just scrape a living - you say they have no place in this country's folk culture.

And yet someone who has called us from a pig to a dog. Publiclly disavowed us....joined am organisation who hates our very existence.

Perhaps you are a better Christian than me.    Like the good shepherd in the parable rejoicing after bringing back the one lamb that strayed. Rejoicing at the return of the prodical daughter....who knows?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 05:20 PM

"I don't think my views on this issue are that uncommon...???"
Are you saying this girl did ?
Isis would have remained a bunch of fanatical cranks if the West and the UN had acted against Assad
She is a British citizen and deserves a trial, but lynch mobs don't think that way, do they
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 05:34 PM

Jim - sorry, what..??? have you acidently posted before proof reading...

Me and you are more or less supporting a sensible humane evaluation of this girl's plight and future...

Just I don't get over emotional about it...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 03:10 AM

"Just I don't get over emotional about it..."
I think this is where we differ
She was little more than a child when she left home - she did so at the time when Assad had fully exposed himself for the monster he really was and Britain (and the rest of the Western World) had refused to do anything about it (Parliament took a vote washing Britain's hands of involvement)
Hundreds of Muslim youngsters began slipping out of Britain to oppose him - immediately they were labeled 'Jihadists', suggesting that they were doing so for religious rather than humanitarian reasons - there is no evidence that this was the case.
Now we have a young woman who has been refused the right to return home and are faced with the situation of many hundreds more British citizens in the same position - exiled for setting off to fight a dictator
I find that quite 'emotional' - every bit as emotional as how The Windrush immigrants were treated, or The Notting Hill Race Riots, or Powell's 'Rivers o Blood' hate speech, or all the other sordid race events that have created a situation where it is now estimated that around one third of the British people hold racist views and have stated them openly
Events lke these are debasing Britain and opening the door to scum like Robinson and Farage, who are now planning to shift us even further to the right - that's a pretty 'emotional' - extremely dangerous situation to be in.

I see spooky parallels with what happened to my family
When they learned from Jewish neighbours what was happening in Nazi Germany, they took to the streets, only to find that Mosley's Blackshirts were being protected by baton-wielding British Bobbys mounted on horses; I'm proud so say, my grandmother was arrested for hitting Mosley with a stone
My dad went to Spain to fight Nazism; wounded, he eventually returned home to find he had been given an MI5 record and had been blacklisted from work (at the time, the Government were still trying to appease Hitler and would be shortly plunged into war with the people my dad was punished for going to fight).
Just as Spain might have been a place where the world might have stood against Hitler, the massacres of Homs could have been a reason why Assad was stopped in his tracks
Neither happened - one gave us a World War, the other gave us Isis
Pretty emotional, as far as I'm concerned
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:25 AM

From: Steve Shaw
14 Apr 19 - 02:23 PM

There are no gap years at the age of 15. No-one here is singing the praises of Isis, Al, not even remotely. What we are saying is that we try to have some faith in our justice system and the rule of law. That means not calling our citizens criminals before they've been properly investigated, real evidence collected (not weaselly hearsay), trials held and convictions obtained.

"Having faith in the rule of law" must mean that, as Sajid Javid had the legal right to remove her British citizenship, based on the knowledge that he has of the whole situation, we must accept that.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:36 AM

Javid is a Tory clown who did that in a deliberately populist move. Even though he's a clown, you won't catch him saying that she's a criminal until she's been properly tried and convicted via due process. Were he to say that, and she is eventually brought home, he would have fatally prejudiced any chance of a fair trial. And I must say that you appear to put far more faith in the integrity of politicians than I do. Of course, as he's a Tory like you...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM

It's not about having faith in politicians. Your comment was about having faith in the rule of law.
That must mean accepting actions taken by politicians acting within the rule of law. Or do you only have faith in the parts of the rule of law which happen to match your own prejudices?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:57 AM

" Your comment was about having faith in the rule of law."
As we say when politicians like Heath got caught with their trousers down, the rule off law is very much a movable feast
How about the rule of humanity Nigel?
Law tends to be for those who can afford it these days
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:11 AM

Jim Carroll:
As we say when politicians like Heath got caught with their trousers down, the rule off law is very much a movable feast
What does this relate to? I know you dislike the Conservatives as a matter of principle, but this looks very much like a libellous comment about an ex Prime Minister.
It is very easy to "speak ill of the dead" when they cannot protect themselves.

Law tends to be for those who can afford it these days
Yes, that is why Shamima Begum's family are trying to get Legal Aid to fight for reinstatement of her citizenship. Legal Aid reduces the advantages of the rich over the poor in obtaining equal treatment under the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM

Well as several of you seem to feel some empathy for the lady - let's hope your judgement is proved sound.

I'm obviously outvoted. i accept the democratic majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:27 AM

I have no empathy with her whatsoever. I cannot possibly understand or feel what she is going through. I do however have some sympathy for her plight and, unlike some on here, I do not think she brought it all on herself. I do not think she is entirely blameless either and I would not, as some have suggested, welcome her with open arms. I do however believe she deserves a fair hearing rather than trial by media and a lynch mob.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:36 AM

"Yes, that is why Shamima Begum's family are trying to get Legal Aid to fight for reinstatement of her citizenship"
They shouldn't have to Nigel - being exiled for a crime committed when the girl was a cild is abuse of human rights - an act of gross inhumanity
The Killers of Jamie Bulger were treated with more decency
This is a political act which has nothing to do with natural justice
You people are shaming Britain - as you have over Brexit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 09:57 AM

I disagree with you.

Over the Bulger case, you are provably wrong.

The justice system seems to think it is morally better in its treatment of young pewople by not executing them And no further effort is required or deserved. if you knew the situation, you would know the meaning of shame.

However you are entitled to your opinions - no matter how mistaken.

Now leave me to mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:17 AM

Jim - yes we are more often in agreement, and have nothing to gain by falling out over minor differences...

You and me probably have disimilar temperaments...
We can stand together side by side on issues,
but I am maybe more like Spock to your Captain Kirk...?????

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:21 AM

DtG - "15 Apr 19 - 05:27 AM" - well said..

Right wingers hold to a stupid arrogant presumption that only they are level headed realists,
while the left are a bunch of bleeding heart snowflakes...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:35 AM

She emigrated. The UK is no longer her home. Home is where she is.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:37 AM

”I have no empathy with her whatsoever. I cannot possibly understand or feel what she is going through. I do however have some sympathy for her plight and, unlike some on here, I do not think she brought it all on herself. I do not think she is entirely blameless either and I would not, as some have suggested, welcome her with open arms. I do however believe she deserves a fair hearing rather than trial by media and a lynch mob.”

My sentiments exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:38 AM

Thanks, PFR. There is also the "if you are not for us you are against us" mentality. If I say I have sympathy for the girl I get lambasted by some who suggest that I should let her live in my house and murder my children. They would far rather try to win points than show any compasdion. I suppose I should feel sorry for them too. But I'm afraid I don't!