BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:41 AM

Emigration doesn’t change a person’s Nationality, Mrrzy. My BiL and SiL emigrated to Canada and took Canadian citizenship. Their home is in Ontario. They are still British, however, and are entitled to the protections and benefits that their British Nationality confers on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:42 AM

Bulger's killers were detained and received treatment, as was only proper for children of that age - no civilized society executes children - or anybody
If you don't accept this, go make a list of innocent people who would have been executed - you can put The Birmingham Six at the top
The Bulger murder took place in my home town of Kirkby and I know damn well that some people would have string those kids up from the nearest lamp-post had they laid hands on them

Beside my point anyway - this young woman has committed no crime and even if she had, she would be entitled to a trial
THis is a political decision made by a State that, by acting as armourer for the world's most despotic regimes, is implicated in more killing of innocents - by proxy - than Isis ever was

"but I am maybe more like Spock to your Captain Kirk...?????"
Don'cha mean Lister and Kryren, whack ??
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 12:22 PM

Jim - for a moment there I thought they were Liverpool footballers, until I googled...

I don't do football, or non British stiff upper lip emotions...
must be the grammar school conditioning in me..

Actually I have qualities and character that would make me a pretty good working class far right winger
[no.. not football..]...

.. just shows the diffence good parenting, edcation, and social factors make to a persons adult outcome..
[nature v nurture and all that...]

Oh well.. ukips loss is your gain...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 12:23 PM

?Shamima Begum, the east London schoolgirl who fled to Syria, served in the Islamic State's "morality police" and also tried to recruit other young women to join the jihadist group, well-placed sources have told The Sunday Telegraph.

She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict "enforcer" of Isis's laws, such as women's dress codes, sources claimed.

The claims are at odds with Begum's own account of her years with the group, which she joined at age 15.

Begum, now aged 19, has insisted she was never involved in Isis's brutality but spent her time in Syria as a devoted housewife to a jihadist.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/112024668/uk-teen-shamima-begum-was-in-isiss-allfemale-police-squad

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mossback
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 12:48 PM

And Aghiad AL Kheder's sources are........?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 03:04 PM

"Aghiad AL Kheder"
A long-term Islamophobic blogger - his sources are "unnamed Syrians"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:44 PM

And bobad denies that Palestinians actually exist. So much for balance...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 04:50 PM

Another one best avoided completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 07:22 PM

And bobad denies that Palestinians actually exist.

If by "Palestinians" you mean those peoples who lived in the former kingdom of Judah which was conquered and renamed "Palestina" by the Romans in the second century CE I don't deny that at all. As a matter of fact my wife's family were "Palestinians" as attested to by their passports, as were all the citizens who inhabited the area, be they Christians, Muslims, Druze or Jews. That geographic area is now known as Israel and Jordan.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 08:42 PM

Anyway... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Mossback
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 09:51 PM

Almost makes ya nostalgic for Bruce's diatribes, dunnit?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:13 AM

God forbid!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 03:50 AM

Whatever the 'crimes' of this young woman, she is entitled to return home to face trial
I doubt if any justice system would, or could arrive at a decision to exile this or any British-born woman, even if she were found guilty - this is a sentence imposed on her by politicians - surely that is an abuse of her rights of as a citizen ?
It does not auger well for the future of British justice when politicians who have naused up the future of Britain with their incompetence ans indecision can take the law into their own hands in this way - maybe they'll start exiling those who want to stay in the E.U., or anybody who votes for Corbyn !!!
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:01 AM

Whatever the 'crimes' of this young woman, she is entitled to return home to face trial
I doubt if any justice system would, or could arrive at a decision to exile this or any British-born woman, even if she were found guilty - this is a sentence imposed on her by politicians - surely that is an abuse of her rights of as a citizen ?
This country has not exiled Shamima Begum. She took herself into exile. She chose to travel to a country in which the Foreign Office was already making clear there would be no consular support available.
If she were able to travel to the UK, and present herself at customs it is possible that she would be taken into custody, and then dealt with under UK law processes. But having placed herself beyond consular help I see no reason that the UK should be responsible for going out to get her.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM

"She took herself into exile."
She mot certainly did not - refusing to allow her to return from a war she volunteered to fight (a war that the West should have taken part in) is driving her into exile
If she returned tomorrow she would be refused entry - a British citizen exiled without even the decency of a trial
Bloody outrageous
Your lack of humanity and a sense of justice disgraces you as it has Britain
It makes me wonder what my position would be if ever I decided to return to Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 06:53 AM

She did not ask or expect "consular support" - she is now demanding her right as a British citizen to return
I ahve little doubt that members of her community would raise the necessary cash for her return if they were forced to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 09:35 AM

She did not ask or expect "consular support" - she is now demanding her right as a British citizen to return

You obviously didn't read my response: If she were able to travel to the UK, and present herself at customs it is possible that she would be taken into custody, and then dealt with under UK law processes.

Your lack of humanity and a sense of justice disgraces you as it has Britain
My 'sense of justice' is somewhat old-fashioned. She has made her bed, let her lie in it.
And before you go on about her being only a child (15) when she went out, she has grown several years since then, and could have tried to return at any time. She has chosen to try only once it appears certain that she joined a losing cause.
There are many causes more worthy of my sympathy than this self-publicist who is suffering the results of the choices she freely made. If she travelled out under her sister's passport, surely this makes it clear that she should have known that what she was doing would be considered as wrong by many people, and by the law of the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 09:58 AM

" If she were able to travel to the UK, and present herself at customs it is possible that she would be taken into custody, "
Ther is no indication of that a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/19/isis-briton-shamima-begum-to-have-uk-citizenship-revoked">AS YOU WELL KNOW
Your support for this is despicable
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 10:04 AM

This should have gone up
AS YOU WELL KNOW
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 11:45 AM

Perhaps you could get Jonathan King to write you a protest song.....

Headchoppers Anonymous

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 12:12 PM

Errrrmmm, that was the band, Al. The song was ‘It’s Good News Week’! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:23 PM

Everybody must get stoned (but only in a nurturing way)

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:26 PM

Nice to see your heart's in the right place Al
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:44 PM

Right, let's remember it is still possible for lefty liberals to objectively criticise aspects of the muslim religion
without being branded islamophobic...


.. or.. well it should be...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rTbh4a57o&list=PLbttUTp0Qg337v9gbEoGbFcK832bJGZD6&index=2&t=0s

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 01:42 PM

Australia has revoked the citizenship of five people who traveled to Iraq and Syria to join Islamic State, bringing the total number of people stripped of their citizenship to six.
Changes to the Australian Citizenship Act passed that year(216) automatically revoke a person’s citizenship if they engage in terrorism-related conduct, including those who are in the service of a declared terrorist organization overseas.

Danish government reaches agreement to revoke passports of Isis fighters

Danish government reaches agreement to revoke passports of Isis fighters

The government and Danish People’s Party (DF) have agreed new rules that will enable authorities to withdraw passports from individuals found to have fought for militant groups abroad.

The new rules will provide for an administrative process that will enable passports to be revoked without going through the courts, the Ministry of Immigration and Integration announced.

Immigration minister Inger Støjberg said in a statement that she was “very

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 02:06 PM

I will try this a second time. For some peculiar reason the original did not post correctly.
It is not just the UK discussing the revocation of citizenship of those who have joined Isis. In fact it appears a popular procedure.

Australia has revoked the citizenship of five people who traveled to Iraq and Syria to join Islamic State, bringing the total number of people stripped of their citizenship to six.
Changes to the Australian Citizenship Act passed that year(216) automatically revoke a person’s citizenship if they engage in terrorism-related conduct, including those who are in the service of a declared terrorist organization overseas.

Danish government reaches agreement to revoke passports of Isis fighters
The new rules will provide for an administrative process that will enable passports to be revoked without going through the courts, the Ministry of Immigration and Integration announced.

Switzerland wants to strip ISIS fighter of passport.The Swiss justice minister on Monday confirmed that the country was looking at revoking the passport of a Swiss citizen who fought for the so-called Islamic State (ISIS).

       Germany already strips anyone of citizenship who joins a foreign army. Since 1999, a German who joins the armed forces “or similar armed organisation” of another state without the permission of the German defence ministry forfeits their German passport.

       France has been embroiled in a similar debate. Three years ago, François Hollande, the previous president, abandoned a constitutional bill that would have allowed dual nationals convicted of terrorist acts to be stripped of French citizenship after he failed to win sufficient support in parliament. But rightwing politicians have continued to demand such a step.

And to add some balance it must be quoted:
A day after Corbyn said ISIS bride should be let back into UK...Labour's John McDonnell once called for anyone who fought for Israel to be stripped of their British citizenship

    John McDonnell wrote to Theresa May in 2014 about Britons fighting for Israel
    He said: 'Will you be warning any British citizens considering engagement with the IDF that such engagement may put their British citizenship in jeopardy?'
    Yet Labour leader says ISIS bride Shamima Begum has 'right to return' to Britain   !!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 02:14 PM

"Right, let's remember it is still possible for lefty liberals to objectively criticise aspects of the muslim religion
without being branded islamophobic..."
Of course it is - any unchecked religion with too much power is capable of the most horrific crimes - still reeling from the scandal of Clerical rape, Ireland has now opened anothetr major can of worms over the treatment of single pregnant women and their children - it is revealed that one home buried up to 900 children in unmarked graves without valid registration of their deaths - nobody knows where they are buried and it is suggested others may have been sold to rich Americans
This is to do with the interpretation and misuse of religion rather than the relgion itself
The same is the case with any religion
None of which has anything to do with depriving young British citizens of their citezenship/human rights
It appears, to some, that this is fine if you can produce examples of other countries doing the same
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 04:22 PM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 10:04 AM
This should have gone up
AS YOU WELL KNOW
Jim Carroll

That starts from the false assumption that I read The Guardian.
So, No, I don't know what has been printed by that paper. Nor do I particularly want to.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 06:13 PM

The thing is Jim, I think you may be buggering up Corbyn's plans.

Whilst England is lining up to vote for him, and replsce a truly unpopular PM, I get the impression JC is quietly crapping himself at thought of actually having to do anything. So he keeps coming up with all these soundbytes.

Please stop trying to convince people he's serious - otherwise the tories will win again.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 06:13 PM

The thing is Jim, I think you may be buggering up Corbyn's plans.

Whilst England is lining up to vote for him, and replsce a truly unpopular PM, I get the impression JC is quietly crapping himself at thought of actually having to do anything. So he keeps coming up with all these soundbytes.

Please stop trying to convince people he's serious - otherwise the tories will win again.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 06:19 PM

None of which has anything to do with depriving young British citizens of their citezenship/human rights
It appears, to some, that this is fine if you can produce examples of other countries doing the same

However the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill was given Royal Assent in February.
This bill puts a very different slant on the above

The main provisions included in the act are:

1)   a new power to stop, question, search and detain an individual at a port or border area to determine whether they are, or have been, involved in hostile state activity
2)    creating an offence of entering or remaining in an area outside the United Kingdom that has been designated by the Home Secretary if it is necessary for protecting the public from terrorism
3)   updating the offence of obtaining information likely to be useful to a terrorist to cover material that is only viewed or streamed, rather than downloaded to form a permanent record
4)   an increase to the maximum penalty for certain preparatory terrorism offences to 15 years’ imprisonment
5)   extending the offence of inviting support for a proscribed organisation
6) a requirement for terrorist offenders to provide additional information to the police in line with what registered sex offenders must provide

Simply having been in Syria can now be construed as a criminal activity if a UK citizen.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 08:07 PM

"That starts from the false assumption that I read The Guardian.
So, No, I don't know what has been printed by that paper. Nor do I particularly want to."

Hah. Just as we suspected, Nigel. You are an aficionado of confirmation bias. I read the Guardian. But I also read the Mail. It's a nose-holding exercise, but I regard the exercise as essential. I suppose it would be pointless to apprise you of the fact that the Guardian, unlike the Mail and it's fellow-travelling right-wing tabloids, fearlessly embraces opinion from the whole range of the political spectrum in its opinion pieces. Do take a look some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 08:46 PM

It's should be its. Bloody spellchecker cobblers.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 08:54 PM

Hah. Just as we suspected, Nigel. You are an aficionado of confirmation bias.
I don't know how you can assume that from the fact that I don't read the Guardian. But I do read news from numerous, divergent, sources (NOT including the Daily Mail).

There is a lot of confirmation bias on this site, mainly from those who seem to act as a pack to shout down anyone who appears to oppose what they think is a true understanding.

Leavers don't automatically assume the worst of those in favour of remain. But remainers are quick to claim that anyone supporting Leave is either ignorant, racist, or protecting their own financial interests. That is despite the fact that in doing so they are bracketing more than half of the voting public with those terms.

"First cast out the beam from thine own eye"

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 09:26 PM

"But remainers are quick to claim that anyone supporting Leave is either ignorant, racist, or protecting their own financial interests. "


No we don't - some [most ?] of us make a point of not doing that
as it's such a crude gereralisation and so obviously wrong to do so,
Doing that can only cause unhelpful conflict.

We may disagree with the decision many leavers made based on cynical false claims and disinformation,
but accept they did it for what they believed at the time were positive reasons for the benefit of us all..
It's clear many now regret that decision.
We are all in this shitship together...

I'd suggest an objective survey of online activity would prove that most of the negative comment,
insults, and sheer lies arise from the worst belligerent bullying brexiteers...

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 02:46 AM

"The thing is Jim, I think you may be buggering up Corbyn's plans."
If Corbyn puts his own party before the well-being of a young woman forced to live in a refugee camp, he doesn't get my support - I hope that is not the case
"That starts from the false assumption that I read The Guardian."
I assume nothing about you Nigel - I observe your total lack of humanity and the company you choose to keep during these discussions, nothing more
I haven're read the Guardian for twenty years - it's not too easy to come by where I live, if I wanted to
Don't make assumptions about my sources of information - I don't about yours
We are in a situation where the British Government is facing the consequences of allowing a dictator to massacre his people, having done nothing whatever to stop him other than to sell him some of the equipment to do so -
Parliament voted to sit on their hands and watch while those massacres took place place while it was gradually revealed how deeply they weer involved with the Assad regime
Now they are taking revenge on those who did try to stop what was hppening in Syria - by taking way their citizenship and adding to the rapidly growing world-wide refugee crisis
It comes as no surprise that Nigel and Iains should team up in this magnificent display of inhumanity and establishment arse-licking; I can't say I'm mor than a little disgusted that Al should make up the trio and hide behind his socialism to do so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 02:57 AM

It comes as no surprise that Nigel and Iains should team up in this magnificent display of inhumanity and establishment arse-licking; I can't say I'm mor than a little disgusted that Al should make up the trio and hide behind his socialism to do so

Commit the crime, take the punishment. Simples!

There would seem to be a presumption here that some know better, and possess more facts than the authorities. I wonder what justifies such arrogance?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 03:08 AM

those who seem to act as a pack to shout down anyone who appears to oppose what they think

What pack would that be, Nigel? Yourself and Iains maybe? You could add bobad who usually chips in from the sidelines. You could also include Teribus and Akenaton if they had not been banned for such activities. Stanron would probably support you but at least he does not seem to stoop to abuse or nitpicking.

Leavers don't automatically assume the worst of those in favour of remain.

No, I guess the term remoaners does not mean that those who wish to remain are just moaning. Calling people traitors who need to be shot is just a bit of fun. Telling those who want to remain to fuck off and live in the EU is friendly banter.

What were you saying about a beam? Take a look at your leaders and the press that support you before climbing on that high horse.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 04:38 AM

the difference is that the remainers focus on a few bonkers bastards to the extreme right.

in this way they totally sidestep the reasons and problems inherent in EU membership of EU. They are totally in denial, and say all kinds of rubbish - for example the oft repeated lie that British industry was on its knees prior to joining the EEC.

What is really the pain in the balls with Remainers is the daily dollop of abuse and feigned fury that arrives on my facebook page every day.

last week, Mike Harding wrote a post about his Uncle Len, a Leave supporter and total moron. One of Len's sins was failing to understand why the rest of Europe failed to feel any gratitude for Britain's role in WW2. My God! If Uncle Len had a war anything like my parents........

Anyway carry on abusing. I think you will find when eventually you middle class types bully your way to a second referendum, you will reap your reward in public disgust for the way you (as a whole -not just a few mad well publicised fuck-ups) have conducted yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM

More evidence that a Government can convict a person of a crime without being arsed to give them a trial because "they know better"
I think that's called fascism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM

More evidence that a Government can convict a person of a crime without being arsed to give them a trial because "they know better"
I think that's called fascism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:14 AM

the difference is that the remainers focus on a few bonkers bastards to the extreme right.

And so we should, Al. It is the bonkers bastards to the right that are calling all the shots at the moment. Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove and the rest are running the Conservative party. The right wing press are calling for execution of those who want to make sure parliamentary procedure is adhered to. Farage is still pulling the strings of the MSM. What do you expect people to concentrate on?

As to you middle class types bully your way to a second referendum, just who are you referring to? I, for one, have worked for almost 50 years without ever venturing into the middle class world of being a "performer, songwriter and teacher of guitar". How about you? Is arguing vehemently for real democracy and to overturn a very flawed decision bullying? It seems to me that it is the ERG and MSM that are doing all the bullying. To be a bully you need power. I certainly don't have any.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:22 AM

More evidence that a Government can convict a person of a crime without being arsed to give them a trial because "they know better"
I think that's called fascism

A sensible person would call it common sense. Try reading the legislation in full.

"They know better" would suggest they are in full possession of the facts whereas a an ex-sparky in a backwater dorp knows nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:23 AM

I think this conversation should be on the brexit thread though, Al.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:30 AM

well i suppose Iains to be fair, you could say the same about Brexit.

The blockage in us leaving are the middle class posse in the houses of parliament.

they would say they are more aware of the facts than we the unwashed unlettered who voted to leave. they know better.

can't have it both ways mate....

don't worry about it. no one gives a shit about what we think anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 05:53 AM

To sum up
If he Government decides it knows better, there is no need to put someone on trial - taht's what I thought - the makings of a fascist state
Maybe Tommy Robinson can step into May's shoes when she is forced out by the extreme right Brexiters - his path is laid out for him and he hsi his supporter here
"ackwater dorp" - a step above "bogtrotter" I suppose
Your trouncings really have got to you
'Nuff of this talking to the children - work to do in the bog
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 06:11 AM

"We may disagree with the decision many leavers made based on cynical false claims and disinformation,
but accept they did it for what they believed at the time were positive reasons for the benefit of us all..
It's clear many now regret that decision."

So "what they believed at the time" and "now regret that decision" indicates that they were suckered into making a wrong call. They didn't realise what a bloody disaster brexit would inevitably be. Well I did, along with millions of others who embarked on a rapid learning curve during the campaign, the responsible thing to do. On the morning of 24 June 2016 I was in Italy and along with the Brits, Germans, Italians and Danes in the hotel I was bloody devastated. If you are one of the above "regretful" types, you didn't do your homework and then you irresponsibly voted out of ignorance. Let's not forget that these poor wee souls who now regret their decision are dragging us out of the EU in the biggest disaster for the country since WWII. So their ignorance and irresponsibility have got us into this mess. Ignorant is too kind a word. On top of that, over a third of leave voters openly admit to being racist. And that's just the ones who admit it. Ignorance and racism led to the leave victory. Anything else is just indulging stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 06:28 AM

I think some of the recent posts, including mine, following Nigel's mention of leavers 17 Apr 19 - 08:54 PM belong on the brexit thread. Can a kind mod do the honours please?

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 06:41 AM

That's true. I knew I was in the "wrong" thread when I posted that, but I was responding to pfr's post in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 09:31 AM

Steve - I wasn't making excuses for the middle of the road non racist brexiteers..
..their gullibility dropped us all in the shit..

But I was countering Nigel's ridiculously sweeping false accusation about remainers...

It's people like him constantly stoking the division and conflict..
What they hope to achieve by this at a time when we all need to reunite calmly and sensibly...???