BS: what odds will you give me? Recession

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 21 Aug 19 - 11:33 PM

Sorry , not read all of this

but "The government produced a leaflet..." ! WOW !

! they've produced stronger documents than 'leaflets' before now then changed their minds haven't they?

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 05:57 AM

well seeing as you ask Jim, yes I'm in favour of what one the moderate mudcatters called a 'Mugabe style land grab'.

Not sure of what will be obtainable after this last lot. But on the other hand I'm pretty sure of what will be obtainable if (what seems inevitable to me) we jog on as before.

I think the pool of lumpenproletariat with no real share of society's riches will increase, and society will become unstable. The Dutch auction of who can offer the apparent lowest taxes will continue - as those in work try independently to insulate themselves from the lawless elements.

Possibly I'm wrong. So I refuse to get stroppy with everyone who disagrees with me. Although I have responded to really nasty jibes. Its hard not to.

Generally though I try to lead by example.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Aug 19 - 03:18 AM

"Both sides of the political spectrum as bad and dishonest as each other and that's why -"
Bit of a cop-out unless you're proposing revolution Al rather like SARGEANT FRASER
If we don't pick the best of 'em we leave them with a free hand to fuck up our world - the choice has to be ours or it's theirs - simple as that
I feel the same about the E.U. - not my ideal as a way to live, but a lllion miles better than the OBTANABLE ALTERNATIVES
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 09:38 PM

I was always lucky enough to find work . But I know that I was one of the fortunate ones, and that many decent hardworking people in society simply weren't lucky enough to find work.

I was always grateful that society was willing to give me paid work.

I think maybe my years teaching in the remedial departments of city schools, and then working the country music clubs bought me into contact and made me aware of this underclass more acutely than most. theres something about the country music that speaks directly to people at the very bottom of society. i used to get asked for songs like freddy Fender's Wasted Days and Wasted night - about alcoholism.

We are lucky if society has a use for us. Throughout our membership of the EU, the government has been dodging about, massaging the figures - redefining unemployment to disguise the fact that it is a massive problem. one which brings with it many social ills.

Both sides of the political spectrum as bad and dishonest as each other and that's why - they simply can't confront their own failure.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 04:33 PM

"UK ECONOMY STILL GROWING"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:58 PM

The UK economy is still growing

Hmmm, strange that, it slipped back by a miniscule amount last period of accounting. Strange kinda growing! It grew in the previous session, and the reasoning goes that businesses were buying essential material in anticipation of a customs backlog screwing-up the "just in time" methodology that industry runs on these days. And the last period they didn't have the same Brexshit deadline so didn't need as much stockpiling. Or their is Brexshit fatigue and complacency has set in.

We have discussed stockpiling of things the UK don't make, like olive oil. Industry has a bigger list of things it doesn't make. Let me see, where does the car industry get its engines from? Wot? every one? One less homegrown engine factory is being talked down as we speak. And the engine bits? Where did they come from? For the sake of a nail the battle was lost.............

Talking up the UK economy on short-term evidence is short-brained. And not even accurate!

The Telegraph had pretty large headlines emblazoning somewhat to the effect "3 to 1 on recession" and they are talking it up!

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:55 PM

”along with Leavers being told to “Fuck off and live in Europe, we don’t want you here”, and other hate-filled rhetoric”

Lost my track there - ‘Leavers’ should, of course, have been ‘Remainers’.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:50 PM

”Would they have said the other side had won if their side who's won the the referendum by a million votes?”

Nigel Farage stated, on the eve of the Referendum, that if the result was Remain by a few percent, it would be ‘Unfinished Business’. If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for me. Sauce, goose, gander.

”You will improve your chances of winning a second referendum, BWM if you stop getting so nasty
Most people are really disgusted with the remainer abuse - Little Englanders, racists, etc.”

Four things, Al...

1) I didn’t want the first Referendum, I don’t want a second Referendum. The issue was far too important, and far too divisive, to leave it to a largely badly-informed, propagandised, partisan public. We have a system of Representative Democracy, we elect Members of Parliament to make informed decisions on matters of such huge national importance, and it's those MPs who should have dealt with the question on our behalf. What I want is the revocation of A50, and an all-party team set up to carry out a thorough study of the EU and our part in it, and to report back to Parliament for our elected representatives to decide whether we Leave or Remain.

2) I’ve re-read my two posts from today, and I see nothing ‘nasty’, just unpleasant, hard truths that Leavers don’t want to hear, and I’ve deliberately been very careful not to refer to ‘Brexshit’ Or ‘Brexshitters’, and to refer to them as ‘Leavers’ in deference to your feelings which I know are hurt by those epithets.

3) Are you denying that Farage’s poster of a queue of Syrian refugees who were actually in Slovenia wasn’t racist? Or that May’s ‘Immigrants Go Home’ vans weren’t racist? Or that the abuse of foreigners in our streets in the period after the Referendum wasn’t racist?

4) In my experience, the worst abuse comes from Leavers. On this forum, and on social media, the worst offenders by far are the ‘Sore Winners’, the Leavers who think that the 16.5 million who voted Remain have no right to continue the fight against what they perceive as an act of national self-harm. I don’t know of any Remainer who has made death-threats against Leavers, telling them they’ve committed ‘treason’, that they are ‘traitors who should be arrested, marched out, and shot at dawn’, yet that has happened to me on a number of occasions, and I’ve seen it all over SM, along with Leavers being told to “Fuck off and live in Europe, we don’t want you here”, and other hate-filled rhetoric. There’s nastiness on both sides, Al, you just have to be prepared to see and acknowledge it.

”And to put it in context. We are two old men and no one gives a shit what we think. The powers that be will go their own sweet as per usual.

I agree, but we still have the right to hold opinions and express them here.

”The nastiness is pointless.”

I refer to (4) above. When the Leavers cool it, so will the Remainers, I suspect.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 01:12 PM

Councils are now preparing for food shortages following Brexit
Worst effected are people on special diets, schools, hospitals, care homes
Some councils are planning for food rationing Hastings has been mentioned in particular
Otherwise known as 'standing on your own two feet'
CARRY ON BREXIT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 01:00 PM

Would they have said the other side had won if their side who's won the the referendum by a million votes?

It all a bit reminiscent of that episode in The Office.

Mackenzie Crook and Ricky Gervais get beaten in a quiz. So Gareth shouts - This will be the real winner - who can throw Martin Freeman's boot over the pub!

You will improve your chances of winning a second referendum, BWM if you stop getting so nasty.

Most people are really disgusted with the remainer abuse - Little Englanders, racists, etc.
And to put it in context. We are two old men and no one gives a shit what we think. The powers that be will go their own sweet as per usual. The nastiness is pointless.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 10:23 AM

Big Al. Bagpipes are far more fun! Good for drowning opposition as well.
I think on this forum seeking popularity is a lost cause. I will continue to bang the drum for the clear majority vote to be respected.

All hail the mighty Farage! (far more deserving of sainthood than st jeremy of the cabbage patch)

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 10:07 AM

"... have you thought about playing the banjo? It would boost your popularity no end."

lol, Big Al, I'm gonna borrow that one.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 08:49 AM

”Well we've all got our opinions.”

Of course we have, why wouldn’t we?


”I can't really see any of us changing our minds.”

You will, when the Blond Buffoon-Puppet has fulfilled the dreams of his immensely-wealthy puppet-masters, crashed us out of the biggest trading-bloc in the world, increased their own wealth exponentially, and left you, me, and our generation’s kids to pick up the tab.

”For many people the recession started 40 years ago when we joined. Since then they've lived off the largesse of their luckier contemporaries.”

I can only speak personally, but I’ve never ‘lived off the largesse’ of anyone. I studied in my younger days, worked a few months short of fifty years, paid my taxes, never claimed benefits, moved jobs when necessary, and reaped a modest level of reward. Your attribution of the success of others to ‘luck’ and ‘largesse of others’ speaks volumes.

”However I think you're whistling in the dark Iains. The governing classes don't want it. And by and large - they get their way.”

It’s SFA to do with the ‘governing classes’, and everything to do with the immensely wealthy, powerful people who lurk in the shadows pulling the strings.

And don’t forget, you and 17.5 million others asked to leave the EU. Whereas 46.5 million either didn’t ask to leave, or weren’t given the option to choose. That puts Leavers in a minority of the population and, if Brexit is revoked/cancelled, that will be both Poetic Justice and Natural Justice fulfilled at one fell swoop.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 08:22 AM

Well we've all got our opinions. I can't really see any of us changing our minds. For many people the recession started 40 years ago when we joined. Since then they've lived off the largesse of their luckier contemporaries.

However I think you're whistling in the dark Iains. The governing classes don't want it. And by and large - they get their way.

Meanwhile supporting Brexit is abit like suggesting Jimmy Saville shouldn't have a show on the World Service every night. So if I were you Iains, have you thought about playing the banjo? It would boost your popularity no end.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 07:44 AM

All this is meaningless
The tories have now all but admitted that Britain will enter a recession if Britain leaves Europe
Game over
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 06:50 AM

and to nip the whittering in the bud:

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 06:32 AM

Big Al
The government produced a leaflet prior to the referendum. Amongst other things it said: "This is your decision. The government will implement whatever you decide."
A summary outcome below:
EU Referendum Results 2016
                By Votes
17.4 million leave 16.4 million Remain
                By constituency
406 Leave          242 Remain
               Constituency by Party
Labour 148 Leave    84 Remain
Tory   247 Leave    80 Remain
                By Region
       9 Leave      3 Remain
                   By MP
160 Leave          486 Remain

Brexit is not the problem. MPs are !!!!

The next election will be a time of settling of old scores. Bring it on!

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 05:44 AM

I sincerely hope you’re right Al, but I fear that the tiny cadre of immensely wealthy people who have driven and controlled the project since the outset, and who are pulling the Blond Buffoon-Puppet’s strings now, have their own interest at heart and will ensure it happens - as the aforementioned Blond Buffoon-Puppet said recently, “At all costs”.

Brexit is solely for the benefit of a few immensely-rich people, who managed to con 17 million suckers with nationalistic, xenophobic horse-shit about ‘sovereignty’ and ‘Take Back Control’. Sadly, the Blond Buffoon-Puppets ‘All Costs’ will hit those who can least afford to pay, including everyone on this thread, whilst the Big Fat Immensely-Rich Controllers get even more immensely rich.

I’m astonished that supposedly-intelligent ‘ordinary’ people can’t see what’s been right in front of their eyes ever since the whole farcical Brexit debacle began three years ago.

Time they were told to fuck off in no uncertain terms, before they ruin us all.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 05:23 AM

Would remainers respect the results of a second referendum. Or more importantly would the MP's representing us?

I think this is why your predictions are wrong Iains.

The referendum was a crap idea. Brexit has too many powerful enemies for it to come to pass....The Bank of England, every snotty snidey middle class alternative comedian, , the new Labour gang (never mind their northern constituencies), many Tory MP's, the Liberal Democrats, the Irish who see the EU as as possible way of fudging Irish independence......

my feeling is that Brexit won't happen under any circumstances

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 04:46 AM

Johnson has blown his top, accusing Ministers of betrayal for leaking the report
Our prime minister apparently believes the British people, whose vote is so important, haven't got the right to now the possible consequences of what was scraped through at the referendum
Priceless !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 04:18 AM

resounding
    unmistakable; emphatic.
    "the evening was a resounding success"
    synonyms:        enormous, huge, massive, very great, tremendous, terrific, colossal; emphatic, decisive, conclusive, striking, impressive, outstanding, unmistakable, notable, noteworthy, memorable, remarkable, phenomenal, monumental;
    informal whopping, thumping, fantastic; ginormous

Everybody happy now?

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 04:10 AM

"Resounding refers to the amount it is commentated on, talked about or reported. "
Of course it doesn't - it was the among the most important decisions ever given to the British people and not to comment on it should have been a hanging offence whatever the result
It was no indication of its merits as a victory - it was what it was, a razor slim percentage majority of those who voted - in fact, a minority of the people as a whole
Trumping it as 'the will of the British people" is agenda driven bullshit
Any comments on how "victorious" it really is for the British people now your Government have assesed the apalling consequences ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Stanron
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:45 AM

Calling a victory resounding is not commenting on the size of the majority. Resounding refers to the amount it is commentated on, talked about or reported. Look it up;

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/resounding

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:24 AM

It only requires a a majority of one for a motion to be carried.
In the case of the Brexit referendum the majority vote was 1,269,501.
As I stated a resounding majority. Time remainiacs ceased their perpetual whining. It is getting rather wearing for the majority of us.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 03:12 AM

"52% vs 48% is hardly "resounding".
And hardly important when you consider it represents a somewhat insignificant percentage of the British People as a whole
It is reasonable to believe that many who didn't vote, didn't do so because they believed that this crass move didn't have a chance of succeeding - even the Brexiteers were stunned at their good luck
The Brexiteers are fully aware that they would almost certainly swept aside in a democratic second vote - especially now Johnson's Circus has produced a devastating estimate of what is likely to happen - food shortages, medicine shortages - price rises - crippling delays at the ports.... I very much if many turkeys would vote of Christmas after that list of horrors (they are not even prepared to discuss it here
THere would rather hide behind a vote from people they have shown they otherwise despise (as "The Enemy Within" when they ask for employment security)

It would take a major study to estimate how long and how extensive the effects this report would last, yet, within hours of its appearance Gove was claiming they are "sort term" - a supindly transparent lie for the cameras
They whinge that the report has only been leaked to stop Brexit - OF COURSE IT HAS - IF THESE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AND BREXIT NEEDS TO BE NIPPED IN THE BUD BEFORE IT SENDS BRITAIN TO CAREY STREET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: BobL
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 02:37 AM

"resoundingly lost the referendum "

52% vs 48% is hardly "resounding". Unless you're referring to the empty-barrel effect.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 03:05 PM

The UK economy is still growing whereas Germany is contracting. Growth in the eurozone for the last quarter was 0.2%. FACT.

Could the remainers not offer facts just once in a while,instead of conjecture and project fear?

I suppose as you resoundingly lost the referendum facts to support your puerile arguments are as rare as rocking horse shit. No doubt that is why the postings are getting increasingly hysterical.
In case you have forgotten leave won the referendum. Failure to follow through is a clear failure of democracy! FACT.

Another Fact:
Brexit supporter Meirion John Thomas said: ‘A tag-wearing convicted criminal Fiona Onasanya helped a bill designed to frustrate the will of 17.4 million people to pass through the Commons by just a single vote. ‘British politics truly is a complete and utter cesspit.’
Martin Daubney said: ‘A jailbird, wearing an ankle tag, voted against a No Deal Brexit, which lost by one vote. Her vote.’ He added: ‘A criminal just stopped Brexit.’
It has yet to be clarified if she broke the terms of her curfew by participating in the vote.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 02:27 PM

"don't think we will."
I sincerely hole not Al - for all our sakes
What is being described in the leaked document is a recession - the Government has now been forced to recognise that fact
It is only the little minded Little Englanders who are now pushing this through, not only those going along with them believe it should happen and say they will vote down a no-deal
The only question is whether Boris the Brainless will allow them to
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 02:11 PM

don't think we will.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 09:24 AM

On Friday, Steven Barclay has “signed the legislation setting in stone the repeal of the European Communities Act 1972. This is a landmark moment in taking back control of our law. It underlines that we are leaving the EU on October 31”.

Whoopy Doo!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 08:48 AM

The economy is in such a bad state that my bank has just posted me a pre-declined credit card...

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 08:12 AM

Put it down to my sense of humoutr rag
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 07:40 AM

"Suggest we end this before someone closes the thread
Jim"

Do you remember posting this less than two hours ago!

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:52 AM

By the way, I rather value my sense of humour - I wouldn't be able to visit my family in Liverpool if I was unable to make the border guards laugh
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:21 AM

Sorry to interrupt lads
Terrifying report from this Mornings Sunday Times has just dented my sense of humour severely
Suggest people should look into the Brexit thread
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: gillymor
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:14 AM

Check out Jim's contributions to the joke threads.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 06:11 AM

Steve, you described me perfectly there! And I wear walking trainers instead of sandals. Otherwise, spot on! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:56 AM

Raggytash could tell you that I'm a scruffy, unkempt, overweight, shorts-wearing, besandalled old fool. To some extent I suppose we all invent something about ourselves in these online forums. After all, we can spout but we can't be seen. I just enjoy life trying to work out who the real me is.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:46 AM

”For some reason Jim I don't associate you and a sense of humour at any time.”

It’s a problem with Internet forums etc. that we get an impression of poster’s personalities that aren’t necessarily a true reflection of their real-world personae.

For instance, on another thread, a guy I know fairly well in the real world has been excoriated for his apparent antipathy towards traditional song and performers of traditional material. In fact, he is one of the few performers I see nowadays performing traditional songs regularly and from memory, not only in folk-venues, but also elsewhere - e.g. in the dreaded ‘Open-Mics’ alongside young people singing pop songs using their smart-phones to read the lyrics. He is also a very personable, likeable, popular guy - pretty much the opposite of the impression he gives here.

I recall someone - I think it was Kevin McGrath - telling me in a PM that he had met Keefy of Hertford some time before he passed away, and that he was actually a very nice, quiet sort of chap, completely different in real life than his Mudcat persona would suggest.

I think sometimes we need to remember that people may not be all that they appear to be here.

Apologies for the thread-drift - back to the upcoming Recession...

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:35 AM

"For some reason Jim I don't associate you and a sense of humour at any time."
Then you've not been looking Rag
You should look up my contributions to the joke threads something
A sense of humour has become essential with dealing with some people - here and elsewhere - much better than telling them what you really think o them
As for typos - I hate people using them, I regard the as a sign that those who do use them to cover the fact that they are stymied for an intelligent answer
I only use them on people who resort to them regularly
Suggest we end this before someone closes the thread
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:21 AM

For some reason Jim I don't associate you and a sense of humour at any time.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:11 AM

If we can't make jokes about people/things we find amusing we might as well stay at home and watch 'Fleabag'
Sometimes humour is the best way of dealing with some people
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 05:05 AM

I have castigated Nigel often enough for being a pedant about minor errors by posters on my side of the debate.

I hope I am honest enough to do the same with people on my side when they pick up a what was a small typo and we all knew what Iains was meaning.

Now just think, here's me defending Iains. Make of that what you will, and I can guess that some of you are already leaping to the wrong conclusion.

So please have a think before you attack me.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Aug 19 - 03:48 AM

"I’m watching one right now."
Remember the warning
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: meself
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 05:12 PM

No backtracking from those who missed Jim's pun? Agree or not, it was kinda clever.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 04:10 PM

I’m watching one right now.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 03:35 PM

I watched a riveting Goon show today.

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 03:27 PM

By the way Rag
I'm perfectly aware that the economy does not act in a vacuum
The fact that it doesn't makes the claim of these Brexit clowns that we can't tell what's going to happen till it happens - with Brexit or anything, so ***** ludicrous
A responsible economy needs to assess what might happen and plan on the basis of that judgement
This leap over the cliff does not allow for that - the three blind mice had a better idea of where they were hrading
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 02:48 PM

"Sadly Jim you are mistaken and on this occasion Iains is correct to say that the UK economy does not act on a void. "
I didn't expect him to get the pun Rag, but I'm surprised you didn't
Read what I accurately quoted him saying
God - I'm wasted on you fellers !
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: what odds will you give me? Recession
From: Iains
Date: 17 Aug 19 - 11:50 AM

Thank you Raggytash. I would have struggled to make a tactful response