BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 09:57 PM

This is no longer it.

I just removed yards and yards of name calling and personal squabbling that has nothing to do with politics or pledges at this point.

Just because someone disagrees with your politics is not a reason to ban them from Mudcat, and it's pointless to moan about it here. Just because someone is a royal flaming asshole and does it to yank your chain is not a reason to kick them out, though it does get posts deleted and threads closed when you take the bait and answer. The personal insults are uncalled for, whatever your political leanings. I have had PMs asking to remove insults, then the same individuals will turn around later and sling their own. You can't have it both ways.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 06:51 PM

.. so an amended recap from a couple of weeks ago..

We are allowed one UK politics thread - providing we don't discuss UK politics in it,
or talk to opponents,
or express ourselves with robust near the knuckle British banter humour...?????


Just so we know the rules...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 04:56 PM

Yeah PFR just like FOX news.

Respect the avatar, More and more of you are using first names as if you have a 'special' relationship with that person. If you can not use the designated avatar use your own credit card or phone number

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 03:25 PM

Reflecting on Corbyn’s response to the Skripal poisoning, leadership candidate Lisa Nandy went in all guns blazing after Corbyn, saying:

“At a crucial moment, we hesitated in condemning an authoritarian regime…We stood with the Russian government, and not with the people it oppresses, who suffer poverty and discrimination.”

That's magic grandad for you, and they are priming the alien as a shoe in in a skirt as his replacement.
Perhaps Labour should announce the winning candidates on april 1st instead of the 4th.

Even Brian Rix could not create a farce the equal of this!

My popcorn cup overfloweth!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 03:24 PM

.. but how booooooring and unstimulating this place would be
if we were only allowed to talk to folks we agreed" with...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 03:20 PM

For the love of God!

If EVERYBODY would FFS ignore the bugger, there wouldn’t beany deletions of posts, and the Mods would have no conceivable justification for taking sides (assuming they are doing - and I’m not convinced that they are).

For supposedly-intelligent people, you can be bloody stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 03:02 PM

steve - "constructive discharge or constructive termination,
occurs when an employee resigns as a result of the employer creating a hostile work environment."

For anyone raised in a trades union family background,
anything that smells like that raises hackles...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 02:46 PM

You're both wrong. The moderators are simply having a laugh. I appear to have become a bit of a target for deletions. I have had a pretty serious post deleted from this thread that perfectly justifiably questioned Iains' mental health on the grounds of his severe obsession with Labour's defeat (which we all accept, of course, along with the fact that we're leaving the EU). In addition, I've had some very anodyne, admittedly slightly flippant posts deleted, posts made in gentle and inoffensive fashion, in a music thread which in itself is highly whimsical (that one about songs depicting the months of the year). I'm not that bothered, as I've always said. But they leave this horrid man's poison to fester here to bring the forum into disrepute. There's a motive for this mod behaviour, obviously. The three of them appear to want all us Brits to wallow unhappily and eventually disappear up our own backsides. As we know that the mods are perfectly capable of acting unilaterally, yet still they leave him here, they're obviously all in it together. It's a very strange game if you ask me. Cue at least one mod telling us that the victims of Iains' incessant insulting behaviour are entirely to blame...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 02:23 PM

My imagination is now conjuring up a comedy sketch
where pubs employ moderators to control all debates
between drinkers with opposing views...

It's funnier than much of what's on the telly...
But as usual I'll have forgotten it before bothering to write it down...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 02:05 PM

My previous reply was to the previous post. There is nothing puritanical in the deletions. Blocks of related posts are removed. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 01:58 PM

Agreed, PFR, but don't whinge if the piss takes get mopped up with the shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 01:57 PM

Besides which, puritanical censorship these days is an ongoing high profile issue
that elements of both the right and left can actually agree upon,
and work together opposing...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 01:53 PM

DtG - taking the piss out of our last remaining unbanned right wingers
is good therapy for the mind and soul...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 01:46 PM

PFR, the mods are very good at deleting the, what shall we call them? Yes, excesses of the resident BNP thugs. Unfortunately, while they are shovelling shit, some other posts, related to said shit, get removed at the same time. Nowt to do with humour or US/UK differences. Everything to do with making life easier. There is a dead simple way to stop your posts being removed. Don't respond to the flame bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 06:06 AM

The government is scrapping a scheme in which child refugees can be safely reunited with their families in the UK. This will put vulnerable children in harm's way. It's heartless and totally unnecessary. There's a petition at Change.org. Hopefully the Lords will reject this change.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 05:16 AM

In the meanwhile it is good to see the country not being run by unelected bureaucrats

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/boris-johnson-warns-cabinet-shape-up-or-be-sacked

The article states that the GAP is threatening ministers with the sack with the agreement of Dominic Cummings. (my bold) It goes on to say -

Cummings has signalled his intention to revolutionise the workings of Whitehall by bringing more independent advisers into the heart of government. The latest cracking of the whip in the direction of the cabinet suggests his ambitions extend far further.

I do hope that everyone that voted for Dom is happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 04:30 AM

Why Labour is totally unelectable
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1230089/Brexit-News-update-latest-Labour-Party-leadership-EU

There are rumours compo wishes to award the treacherous dwarf a peerage. That will cost labour yet another 5 years in the wilderness.
Well done Jeremy! Your toxic touch will be remembered as the Labour paryt's kiss of death.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 01:24 PM

Going back to fundamentals, whether you voted Leave or Remain was always about what was best for the country: the vote itself was not important, the consequences were.

So now it is up to leavers - and others who wish - to be highlighting all the ways we get better as a country and individuals. Actual things, not abstractions. What the results were in the referendum no longer matters: we need to be looking at the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 12:22 PM

Price rise and job warning I

The first of many I should think :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 11:24 AM

I forgot to mention the evil murderous Duncan-Smith mercilessly wrecking the lives of the sick, the disabled and the unemployed...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 11:21 AM

I agree about fighting fire with fire. Not so much about digging dirt, simply because the dirt is already out in the open. Labour should have been screaming loud about the fact that the NHS was in relatively brilliant nick ten years ago. Look at it now (just make sure you never need A&E, and as for that op, well some time in mid-2021 if you're lucky... Ten years ago the medics pooped their pantalons if there was even a threat of missing that 18-week target - remember that?) All those promises about fixing social care and care for the elderly - all quietly down the pan. Same with the police service. School buildings in dangerous crumbling condition, nothing done. A decade in which public sector pay was virtually frozen for no good reason whatsoever. The exploitation culture of millions on zero-hours or in the gig economy. Bejaysus, we even let the Tories get away with crowing about it, telling us that "there are more people in work than ever before..." Pensions totally screwed. Bloody food banks and people living in cardboard boxes ballooning out of control. Schools being put in the hands of spivs who know bugger all about education. The bonuses carrying on as the rich get ever richer. All in the last ten years. I mean, where was the outrage?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 10:36 AM

One more than the other side is sufficient to win. In the case of the referendum the majority was 1,269,501. That majority was overwhelmingly more than one.
No insecurity or inadequacy, simply irrefutable fact. You lost. Another fact. Live with it.
Your arguments, like your brexit vote and labour party, are simply inadequate. Fact!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:55 AM

"overwhmlmingly"...!!!???

"overwhelmingly
adverb
to a very great degree or with a great majority."

I'm not a spellcheck nitpicker...

I'll just say there is a certain kind of insecurity and sense of inadequacy
that motivates a bloke to over exaggerate the size of his "whelm"...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:22 AM

Brexit: 'No alignment' with EU on regulation, Javid tells business.

If true this means no BRINO and we regain full sovereignty.
We shall see! Hopefully the sunny uplands beckon.
This has been a long road since June 2016 voted overwhmlmingly for brexit in a referendum, and subsequently for article 50 and two General Election.

I wonder when the lefties will finally cease their irritating squawking, and accept they lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:21 AM

Corbyn versus the right wing media and bloggers just proves that fighting clean and meekly turning the other cheek
is no longer an option for decent people...

Labour needs to fight fire with fire...
Find dirt on enemies and be seen to confidently use it back at them...

In 2020 a Labour leader standing up and assertively shouting "F@ck off !!!" to false accusers and liars
might now be a vote winner with working class ex labour supporters...???

Just about everybody respected Prescott for punching back...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:18 AM

I know, BWM. The EU requires a left handrd widget and the US wants a right handed one? Just 'adjust' business. Now we've done our bit it is over to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 09:16 AM

"The only other political party thus investigated is the British National Party"

Do tell us more. You should know, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 08:48 AM

Here we go! WTF happened to ‘sunlit uplands’,’the easiest deal ever’ and the rest of the bullshit the leave-voters fell for?

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 08:45 AM

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-leadership-candidates-clash-over-handling-of-antisemitism-11911426


The antisemitism card has to be speedily nullified by whoever gets the job
It will not be nullified until the officiai government body, The Equality and Human Rights Commission, has not only reported but its recommendations acted on.
Labour has denied the charges for years and if chuckleberry's report had been anything other than a disgraceful whitewash the party would not be undergoing the present investigation. Labour is proven to be incapable of policing itself and simply continues to deny the allegations.
This is not good enough. It is shameful behaviour and trying to distract by whataboutism merely demonstrates the inability of the left posting here to accept the validity of the charges.
The only other political party thus investigated is the British National Party
To me it seems labour is in a headlong rush to the bottom of the swamp. Denial of reality will keep them safely away from power for decades. They cannot even create a meaningful opposition party.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 07:05 AM

The antisemitism card has to be speedily nullified by whoever gets the job. The way things are going you'd think that the Board Of Deputies were running the party. Well nobody elected the Board Of Deputies at the ballot box and the party seriously has to get them off its back and quickly. There are antisemites in the party but their numbers are minuscule. Whataboutery apropos of Tory Islamophobia, a far worse problem, may be justified but it doesn't play well, and the right-wing media won't touch it. So quick, decisive action needs to be seen to be done. And just because you're not a Corbynite doesn't mean they won't come to get you if it doesn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 06:09 AM

That such attacks have leached even to as innocuous area as folk music is a sad sign of the times DMcG. Luckily most people rise above the inane posts of the right wing agitators. I can only urge others to do the same and leave it to the moderation team to remove some of the more personal and pointless attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jan 20 - 03:14 AM

Every human comes with baggage, naturally. One of the things the candidate has to be prepared for is the extent and the viscous was of the attacks. I read last night that Rebecca is a practicing Catholic. Nothing wrong in that, so am I. But there is no doubt whatsoever that some branches of the media will see a "Tim Fallon" style attack as a new weapon in their arsenal.

As we see here, attacks are never limited to the policies: anything all all is used, such a references to Diane Abbott's weight. Similarly, Rory Stewart, for example, was attacked as much for his appearance as his policies, it was a talking point for days that he took his tie off.

One of Corbyn's great strengths was his ability to disregard most of these attacks, but it did him no good in the end because the voters didn't. Whoever comes next will need to find a different strategy to overcome them. Blair did so essentially by being so close to the media that they didn't really attack him, and in the early days he did not downplay too much policy, though even then he made some very unwise compromises.

The new leader, whoever they are, will have this as their main battle, I suspect. Even more than policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 20 - 03:51 AM

A Corbyn clone is heading the race for the Labour party leadership election! This choice clearly demonstrates that Labour has learnt nothing from its recent historic defeat. This prospective leader will totally alienate the electorate (Presumably this is why one newspaper described her as an alien)
Brought to you by Guido:

https://order-order.com/2020/01/16/long-bailey-slips-ahead-latest-labour-leader-poll/
The comments are quite telling.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 10:13 AM

IGNORE. THE. TROLL. (And yes, I’m shouting!).

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 03:16 AM

It's a bit like having an unintelligent puppy, fun at times but ultimately very boring.
Just like taking the piss out of you opinionated leftie losers! All mouth and no trousers springs to mind.
Rather like those winning labour policies that were so stunningly popular with the electorate,
How many seats did you lose? and how many allegiance switching traitors lost their seats?

Your faux outrage is a source of constant hilarity.
You backed a pathetic leader of a pathetic party with even more pathetic policies.
It really is time you accepted the truth and paid homage to the unassailable might of Bojo.
A toon for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd4OLzhQw0

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 04:07 PM

As expected absolutely NO response to the actual content of the reports.

As per usual no concept of the issues at play.

It's a bit like having an unintelligent puppy, fun at times but ultimately very boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 01:39 PM

Good to see we are getting a nice easy deal from Australia as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 01:37 PM

"Whether Tories can be trusted or not is a moot point.
What is not a moot point is that there is jack shit you can do about it."

There is at least bare naked honesty in admitting
your side ruthlessly seized all the power and will do whatever they like with it,
no matter how reckless or corrupt - so f@ck any reasonable objection and opposition...

well done, right wing junta...


[no... "junta" is not a misspelling....]

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 01:27 PM

Using the gruniard as a bible and constantly quoting it explains why labour is now a spent force.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 01:00 PM

Yet more potential hurdles for Johnson to surmount.

I had already suggested that the Fishing Industry would in all likelihood be sold down the river. This report seems to echo that sentiment.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/13/city-access-eu-markets-eu-fleets-uk-fishing-rights-brexit

Second the issue with the Irish border is raising it's head again. Officals within Government are suggesting it could take five years to create a viable computerised system for dealing with trade and possibly see the UK Government in court.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/13/brexit-irish-border-uk-northern-ireland

Get Brexit done …….. yeah right!

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 12:53 PM

Whether Tories can be trusted or not is a moot point.
What is not a moot point is that there is jack shit you can do about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:59 AM

Iains - Well the choice for tory prime minister is a laughing stock,
and he sacked most of the sensible decent tories..

Just because your lot have all the power at the moment,
don't mean you can ever be trusted with it...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:52 AM

Mock to your heart's content. We hold all the cards, the power and the glory, likely for ever and ever, judging by the dismal opposition candidates. Time for you all to study the cuisine of Witchetty grubs and similar delights, at least Churchill had Chartwell during his wilderness years.
You have not one candidate that would make a competent opposition leader
and you know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:31 AM

Cummings and Johnson - Dom & Dumber.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:31 AM

Public boarding schools and S&M go together hand in..

errrmm best leave that there, this is a family friendly forum...

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:28 AM

So whe does Dominic Cumbiscuit get his ideas from...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:28 AM

Abbreviating his name just gave me another idea. Dom is not short for Dominic at all. More likely Dominator. Boris was a public schoolboy after all :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:24 AM

I like all the original thoughts that BoJo has too, PFR. He couldn't say what the weather was doing unless his pal Dom told him first.

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:20 AM

Iains - regarding original thoughts.. ahem... cough.. guido..

So try not to crib guido for this..

Seeing as you are so interested, which labour politician do you want to be next leader...???

Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 11:19 AM

the links are absolutely correct

Absolutely correct facts like Liverpool not being in the North West of England?