BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 11:14 PM

yanks seem to regard unions as organised crime mob syndicates...???

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 02:52 AM

Not all, PFR

Union miners, stand together
Do not heed the owner's taleI

I bet the Turnip loves that one :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:51 AM

.. oh yeah.. nowadays, it's too easy to forget there used to be proper lefty yanks,
singing rousing union solidarity songs;
while getting their skulls bashed in by Boss's hired thugs...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 01:18 PM

Unions are important but have been diminishing, mostly because the GOP don't like that unions are usual supporters of Democratic candidates and causes. They've busted them as fast as they can. Hopefully that will change. Right to work states are wretched. I grew up in a strong union and Wobblie state (Washington) - at one time East coast Republicans used to refer to it as "the Soviet of Washington." Trying to smear the unions.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:01 PM

Yeah, I have no trust in bosses.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:44 PM

Well I'm incredibly old-fashioned and outmoded in my views, but I come from a family in which not belonging to a trade union is regarded as immoral. We pay our dues, which pay our reps and union negotiators, they get us the best pay and conditions they can*, then non-members get the same deal? Well stuff that for a game of soldiers. The people who choose to be non-members should not get the deal that we've paid our reps to get for us. And if the management give them the same deal anyway, we should strike. Of course, none of that ever happens. The boss class can sack us, shit on our working conditions, impose short hours, close the factory. We have only our labour as a bargaining stick. But that bargaining stick has been taken away from us.

I haven't spent a single day without being a member of my union since I left teacher training college, and I'll remain a member until the day I die.

*Which they can't even negotiate for us any more...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 10:30 PM

Donald Trump says he will leave the White House if Joe Biden is confirmed by electoral college:

"It is the nearest Mr Trump has come to a concession.

"Mr Trump has so far refused to concede the election and continues to claim without evidence that the election was marred by widespread fraud, and that he and not Mr Biden won it."

So in his own parallel universe this doesn't mean he has given up the "fight" for "justice".

Whatevs!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 12:36 PM

He is all about enriching himself, protecting himself, and enriching his family. I suspect we are going to see the most bizarre collection of family-related pardons coming down the pike. It makes you wonder about all of them if they accept these pardons. We know they're feeding at the public trough, pardons will simply confirm that they broke laws in the process.

Lovely family, that.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 01:31 PM

Yes, lovely family indeed! Not! All praise the mighty dollar.

One thing I read was that the pardons only relate to federal matters and apparently there is a state based court system which has been looking into Trump's tax situation and playing their cards very close to their chest. I'm holding out hope that his withholding of tax records might come back to bite him, big time.

I saw a TV show and bought the book called A$$holes: a theory, by Aaron James. (It's not spelled with the dollar signs. I'm being polite.) Very interesting take on a specific personality type. Not surprisingly, Trump is mentioned in the book but it was published before 2016 so I'm expecting Mr James might publish an updated edition at some point after 20 January 2021. :-D

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 05:41 PM

Oh, I can just imagine the number of books that are being planned, written or updated these days. The Washington Post could simply publish their list of lies told in the last 4-5 years.   And various EX-federal employees will be able to write about stuff they weren't allowed to.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:23 AM

Helen, this Washington Post article describes the legal minefield the old flim flam man will have to navigate post-presidency. Hopefully it won't be all tee times and hookups with porn stars during the remainder of his golden years.

WaPo

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:43 AM

gillymor, keberoxu posted a link to an article in the thread about Mary Trump's take on her uncle, and a video on that page has a journalist discussing the legal actions which could be initiated against the Trumpster:

Trump Is Gaslighting Himself

The headline on the video is: Trump's Post-Presidential Criminal Nightmare Begins

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:59 AM

He's slippery like a frog but what I wouldn't give to see him do a perp walk on network television.

Subject: RE: my prediction
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 07:03 AM

Since he can't resign due to his psych condition he will try to pardon himself. It is safer to have Pence pull a Gerald Ford than do a self pardon. Donald will eventually face similar federal tax charges as Al Capone which has poetic justice.

NYS will have the last word but will run into trouble extradicting him from FL to NY. Trump tower could be sold to pay legal fees :^}

How could Trump tower in NYC be repurposed? How about the one in Chicago?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:58 AM

Trump tower repurposed? A complete no-brainer -   luxury temporary accommodation for those seeking asylum and going through the application process. Partly, because it would give the white supremacists an apoplectic fit.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:06 AM

I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK COOPORATOR

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:57 AM

..and rename it Obama Tower...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 12:02 PM

Or Faulty Tower, in memory of the bloke who had it...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM

I asked before but got no reply and things have moved on since anyway.

What's the view in the US? Will the Turnip get his second term of will be be carried off in a straight jacket?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:20 PM

What the heck ails actor Jon Voight?!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:55 PM

IF Trump pardons himself, he's admitting guilt, then, if he wants to run again in 2024, it could be a problem.
It might not be, for him, because his dedicated minions don't really care how evil he is.

But then, the more time between the end of THIS presidency and then, the more truth will come out, and the Trumpy furvor will cool down.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 02:23 PM

..then, in the meantime, sneaky un-American covid might pay the corrupt clown a visit again...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 04:47 PM

It took more than 4 years for folks to see the shortcomings of W.
a href="https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2011/NGC-6822.jpg">Red vs Blue
Donald is more likely to have a misadventure with a ramp or stairs.
My personal favorite Trump end would be Melania having snapped after an abusive episode. Melania in the bedroom with the lead pipe/Trophy.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:17 PM

I am still hoping he either moves out in a huff as soon as the electoral college votes, or has to be removed by force.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 03:22 AM

I have a feeling he'll be in Mar a Lago come the Biden/Harris inauguration but to see him frog-marched from the White House by U.S. Marshals or disgruntled Secret Service agents would be the bomb.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 06:13 AM

We should all be seriously concerned about what is going on in Iran. It seems highly likely that Trump, the Crown Prince and Netanyahu are in cahoots over the assassination, and let's not forget that Trump has form in this regard, ordering as he did the murder of General Suleimani earlier this year. The best thing that could happen is Iran refusing to retaliate, but I have a feeling that we may see more provocative aggression towards Iran before Trump goes. He's such a bloody idiot that he might see the fomenting of conflict in the region as his triumphant going out with a bang. He's certainly making Bidens' job in trying to reduce tension the region much more difficult, if not impossible, which, of course, would be another one of Trump's motives.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 06:25 AM

Trump's recent lame duck moves:
Iraq, Afghnistan troop withdrawl
Tightening immigration and wall spending
Stripping protections for Federal workers
Cutting funding for lending programs\Federal executions
Pardins coming
Enviormental rollbacks
Actions against China and Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 06:35 AM

Well, obligatory rhetoric aside, the Iranian leadership has so far shown a lot more restraint and maturity than the US leadership. Let's hope it stays that way. It might not.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 07:56 AM

I for one do not want to see martyr status confered onto Donald trump
by throwing him in jail like Hitler where he ghost wrote Mein Kampf.
Mortality at 74 is already on our side. Why push it?

The deadly villains greater than Trump are organizatons like Fox News which are supporting death threats to people like Dr. Fauci by saying he is respondsible for business shut downs and canceling Christmas. Fox News is reporting that the safest air to breathe is on airplanes and tyrants are interferring in college and pro Football.
"Liberty and freedom is under seige by democrats". Virus deniers and apologists are still going full blast under Murdoch's watch. The Fox favorite war on Christmas theme is now over the top. They are yelling "Don't let the secular destroy and cancel CHRISTMAS".

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM

The brain's ability to change and adapt is neural plasticity.
It seems to me Trump's lack of life changing challenges has allowed him to resist all the advantages of brain plasticity and learning.
This is fundamentally what he has in common with his base be they the wealthy with nice boats and houses or those who have also abandonned education but at the lowest socio-economic level.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 08:35 AM

There is no deadlier villain than the villain who tries to foment unrest in tbe Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 10:30 AM

No kidding. It is beginning to look like Israel struck with the approval of the Trump administration. Pompeo wasn't there for nothing last week. This seems to be a destabilizing effort to prevent Biden from resuming diplomatic efforts. They really are a nasty bunch of gits, with their dog in the manger approach to management.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM

I recall Iran responded to the assasination of their military general with a missle strike. A chief nuclear scientist may trump a general's death and a more drastic retaliation may be in the offing, such as the kidnapping/hostage taking of Jared. Trump would not send a nuclear strike over Jared. :^/

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 08:38 PM

I rather assume the plan is that Iran should be pushed into a retaliation which will provide a reason for a major attack on Iran either by Israel or the USA or both. Trump getting his own back on Biden by landing him with a very nasty situation, and closing down hopes of getting a fresh peace deal with Iran.

It's only too likely that Trump is setting in motion his Heritage War. If Iran holds off on falling into the trap I suspect there are more terrorist acts against Iran in store from Israel/Trumpland, ready to rolled out in the dying days of this regime.

I gather a sizeable US Navy force has just been deployed in the Persian Gulf.

I think this could be about the most potentially disastrous scenario since the Cuban Missile Crisis. When none of the leaders involved were actually off their heads, which you can't say today with any confidence.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 08:49 PM

Kevin, that seems to be the general understanding regarding what happened. And analysts are suggesting that Iranian leaders see the layout of the plan and will probably not strike out, because Biden is their only hope to get back to the status before Trump.

Another thing out there in the Twitterverse is that Trump seems to have been so confident that he could get the absentee votes tossed out via judges that he urged Republican voters to vote in person so their votes would count. He was hoping to toss all of the mailed in Democratic votes.

Trump's goals are transparent and his advice to voters is a word that is been used an awful lot lately - transactional. If it doesn't serve him, he wouldn't advise it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 03:01 PM

Certainly is worrisome considering the whiney bad mood of the donald.
Regarding the hit on the scientist: a remote controlled AI machine gun was used. AI is used to make driverless cars safer and machine guns deadlier. Its getting more like the Terminator every day.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 03:49 PM

I was wasting time early this morning wondering how many letters of the alphabet could be applied to the Trumpster's misdemeanors and characteristics.

I came up with at least one item for each letter of the alphabet except for "z" although a word popped into my head which may be relevant.

I won't remember all the words but this is a sample:

Aggressive,
Bleach, Black Lives Matter
COVID 19, concede, criminal investigations
Debt
Electoral fraud (alleged),
Fake news, fake tan
Golf,
Hydroxychoroquine,
Impeachment, immigration
Justice,
K
Legal challenges
Masks, Mary Trump's book
Narcissistic
OTT (over the top),
Porno star, proud boys, pardons
Q Anon
Russian interference, reckless endangerment of life, Rudy Giuliani, rallies
Sociopathic, support base, sexism, Supreme Court
Tax audit, throw toys from the pram
Unfounded electoral fraud allegations
Vaccines, voter fraud allegations
White supremacists, wikileaks,
X-rated
Yellow haired, yellow bellied low-life
Zeitgeist*

*Zeitgeist definition in the Merriam Webster dictionary is - "the general intellectual, moral, and cultural climate of an era". In this case the "era" would be the four years since 2016.

I thought of more words this morning but I'm sure I'll remember them later.

Feel free to add more.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 05:11 PM

Lovely piece here

Reporting on a shambolic American election

Partly tongue in cheek but contains a lot of truth.

Careful in the US you are being monitored. It's from Al Jazeera and I wouldn't like you to get a late night knock on the door ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 06:47 PM

I forgot:

"Knowing" he won the election, "knowing" the election was fraudulent

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 09:23 PM

For the benefit of world stability and peace.
It's only fair all the nations USA invaded to take out rogue regime dictators,
get their turn forming a peace keeping coalition
to occupy America and remove trump...

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 11:49 PM

I would never credit Trump with somehow being associated with the Zeitgeist. Hillary won the popular vote, the Zeitgeist was simply taken out at the knees by the Electoral College. But it's back.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 02:59 AM

Zapped

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 04:52 AM

L for loser.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 06:57 AM

Helen excellent experiment. You've created a backbone for new lyrics to attach to. Like; 'M is for the many'... mother song.

As the republican govenor of of Arizona was certifying the vote live on TV, Trump called his cell phone. Hail to the Chief ringtone rang out as the govenor deftly muted and ignored the call.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 09:52 AM

I saw that replay on MSNBC - and I hope not only Trump saw it, but Leslie Jones (SNL, Ghost Busters, etc.) saw it - she has a hilarious routine on Instagram, videoing her TV and offering commentary. That should be a good one!

Trump is still hoping that he can get all of the mailed in ballots eliminated, so the in-person GOP voters will win the day. But judges are dismissing his avatars out of hand.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 10:48 AM

What is unbelievable is that Trump lies, and I'm starting to think he doesn't know they're lies. But then, the Republican sycophants encourage and support him. They're eventually going to have to answer for it, but is this NOT "the emperor's new clothes" in real life?

If it were satire, it'd be hilarious.
If it were a movie, it would be panned for being over-the-top ridiculous.
In real life, I'm pretty glad I don't own a gun.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:13 PM

Trump steaks, wine, university, shirts & ties, underwear with teflon skid mark protector...

He is so in debt one thing he could sell in his retirement is that he's
full of Trumpshit. "In a jar with golden lettering it will sit proudly on your mantle for only 69.99 plus shitting and handling."

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:32 PM

Various psychologists have speculated for several years about possible ways to define what he shows in his continuous mental quirks.
He seems to combine narcissism, amorality, aggression, obsession, greed.. and several others in odd combinations.

His niece, Mary, laid it out pretty well in her book and various interviews. Whatever you call it/them, the practical result of his 'inaccurate statements', whether he KNOWS they are lies or not, it that everyone of them requires more of them. There's no way to get out of the hole has dug for himself and others he has dragged down with him.
There's no doubt he is technically guilty of various crimes.. the only question left is whether it is worth the trouble to investigate, indict and prosecute them, knowing how long it would take and the resultant obsession in the news while we need to concentrate on the NEXT 4 years.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 12:46 PM

Correction: Only THREE easy payments of 69.99 and you can own a piece of shit from the Great eliminator and chief. To double your oder just double the shitting and handling fee ($119.99.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:09 PM

I tend to agree with Mary Trump's assessment that he is a sociopath. One of the traits of sociopaths is that they do not have to believe their own lies, but just say them all with a straight face. And in Trump's case, say them over and over again in the hope that repetition makes them true. There is no empathy, no concern for the consequences of the lies and other actions, it all boils down to doing or saying whatever it takes to get their own way.

In an Oz ABC News article about whether criminal action could be taken against Trump, one comment was that it might not be worth alienating the remaining Trump supporters when Biden's aim is to unify America again.

Personally, it would give me some karmic/comeuppance style satisfaction to see him face the music, and I don't even live in America, but I think unifying America is a worthy ambition and it is desperately needed right now.