BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 02:13 PM

I'm off to Truro tomorrow. I shall be sporting my Dump Trump badge just in case I bump into a yank or three.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 02:56 PM

Sounds picturesque. We have a gorgeous beach town Truro in Cape Cod. You have a better cathedral.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 04:57 PM

paddy power has biden 2 to 5 on to win. trump is trailing at 15 to 8

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:19 PM

I now have three badges on my Mountain Warehouse gilet: an enamel EU circle of stars one, my membership pin of the Royal Meteorological Society and my Dump Trump badge. Any more and I'll develop a forward stoop. Once Trump gets kicked out I'll replace that one with my "This is what a trade unionist looks like" badge.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:47 PM

3 weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:15 PM

The big question now is what will happen when Trump loses?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 01:24 AM

Once Biden is sworn in he can have Trump removed, but what kind of chaos will happen from Nov. 4 to January 19 is truly frightening.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:03 AM

Won’t your ‘well-regulated militia’ swing into action, as required by their revered 2A?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:43 AM

mind you its not over till the fat laddie sings

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 09:30 AM

A fortnight

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 09:59 AM

The media drives most stuff that happens. "This is what you should care about." If they quit covering Trump, there won't be much going on...except on Fox "News".

In other words, do you know what's going on with the Portland Oregon protests currently, or do you think that's over with?

And if anything prompts me to go buy a gun, it's the Trump crazies, but so far, I resist.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 10:56 AM

Gun sales are up 150%

I just had a 'Go Fund Me' idea regarding an unofficial Trump memorial statue of a heavenly golden golf bag containing broken golf clubs with a bronze plaque saying:
"In loving memory to Donald J Trump from immigrant parents, gay lesbian, transgender, advocates of diversity, Covid victims and patriots of democracy - for his timely passing."
The golf bag and each club is labeled TRUMP.

I would like to see it on Obama Plaza at the Trump tower or as a replacement for the defiant young lady that will sadly soon be removed from the Wall street statue site of the Raging Bull.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 02:19 PM

I am honestly dreading to discover
who the Republicans have in mind
to step in when Trump goes down.

And don't tell me that
the Republicans aren't planning on Trump going down,
because, no doubt,
some of the Republicans are doing just that.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 02:53 PM

Really? The bull artist won?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 05:59 AM

Don't be complacent, US friends. At our last general election the polls had the parties pretty close but the populist right wing by a landslide. We are now suffering the consequences. I hope it doesn't happen to you.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 06:10 AM

I don't know what it means but 2 major internet fiber cables in the DC metro area have been cut. One in VA on the last day of voter registration and yesterday one in MD was cut.
Also the postal police have been ordered to stand down for 2 weeks.
There is no protection for mail carriers , mail boxes or ballot drop boxes. There will be no postal security until after the election.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 10:26 AM

Yikes on postal police about whom I had never heard till researching Donuel's claim above.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 07:53 PM

This is not your typical tweedle dee or tweedledumb choice this election. It is more like his excellency Dungmold J Trounce vs. citizen Joey. Ignorant bullies will unite behind their like minded Fuerer. Yes this includes police who were drawn to the bully force in the first place. I have heard a Police Captain in an unguarded moment and he sounded like a mini Turdp and confused insult with power. We have seen a rethinking of our civil war and its monuments. Trump will not be forgotten but will become a martyr for terrorists as long as the 1865 civil war rememberance and will remind the haters how close they got to a 4th Reich. Its not over for a long time and the past has not passed.
Yes Mrrzy I am capable of more than parroting facts. I can do parody, editorializing, opinion, historical resemblance and epic cartoons.
It burns Joe O's toast but thats the way the kook e-crumbles.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 09:37 AM

Oh, I know, Donuel. You are capable of parroting all kinds of things, including facts [big grin]!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:38 PM

The court cases to do with how and when to count ballots, to let them come in for X number of days after election (if postmarked in time), the number of drop-off points, the FAKE drop-off boxes, it's an embarrassment. We need the voting rights bill updated and restored to its former status.

NY Times article from last year about the attempt to restore it.

“Selma is still now!” thundered Representative Terri A. Sewell, Democrat of Alabama, the chief sponsor of the measure, during debate on the measure on the floor. “I know I’m not the only black and brown colleague of ours who owes their very presence in this chamber to the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965.”

Republicans, for their part, argued that the bill would trample on states’ ability to dictate their own election rules by abusing measures in place to prevent voter disenfranchisement.

“The bill before us today would turn those federal shields that protect voters into political weapons,” said Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, adding that the legislation would do so “when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that those states or localities engaged in any discriminatory behavior when it comes to voting.”

The debate underscored the deep partisan polarization that has taken hold on issues related to voting and elections in recent years. In 2006, the last time the Voting Rights Act was updated, the measure passed overwhelmingly in the House, where large majorities of both parties supported it, unanimously passed the Senate, and was signed into law by a Republican president, George W. Bush.

On Friday, just one Republican, Representative Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, voted “yes.”

In the Shelby case, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that Congress remained free to try to impose federal oversight on states where voting rights were at risk, but must do so based on contemporary data. The measure passed on Friday was an attempt to do just that.

Specifically, it would update the parameters used to determine which states and territories need to seek approval for electoral procedures, requiring public notice for voting changes and expanding access for Native American and Alaska Native voters.

But it is unlikely to come to a vote in the Senate, where Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, has refused to take up most legislation championed by House Democrats.

2018 and 2020 can be used as illustrations as to why the bill is needed more than ever before. And Stacy Abrams can become the Voting Tsar when Biden takes office in January, 2021.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 05:31 PM

10.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 09:07 AM

Oops miscounted. 8.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 20 - 09:26 AM

It is no longer "election day," it's the end of the Election Season. For which we all will be grateful, if people have come to their senses.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 05:14 PM

... but the thing is,
election day will not be the end --
it will be the beginning of a counting period,
and with all the complications and ways it could be messed up,
who knows how long it will take
before an acceptable final count is announced?
Will it be weeks, or mere days?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 05:52 PM

My son got an Ohio notification that his mail in ballot has been disqualified for a lack of information. It said it could be corrected by Nov 15 but did not say if voting in person is an option.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 05:59 PM

You should be able to find a local office to call. If it were me, I'd vote in person. The mail-in vote wasn't registered, so I be it'd work.

Just on CNN, they were saying Trump may try to limit the COUNTING of votes to not after election day. I don't know if he can do that, but he owns the Supreme court now. I personally think it's likely not going to matter.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 06:16 PM

He can't do that. He just thinks he can do that.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 06:20 PM

Of course he can do that. Remember Bush?

6!

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 06:27 PM

I don't know how "remember Bush" applies to this.
I'd like to believe he can't do it, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility, and the country's batshit crazy just now.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 09:47 PM

Republican Lawyers argued to stop the count and recount.
It was so ruled.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 10:15 PM

The mistake Gore made was recounting just a couple of counties in Florida, if he'd asked to recount the entire state things would have been different. It wouldn't have been viewed as cherry-picking.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 20 - 10:57 PM

I would amend the US Constitution to rely
upon the popular vote on the 4th of July.

Primaries in January

voter obstruction will be
punished by incarceration

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 20 - 04:16 AM

I see our shit-stirer in chief, Nigel Farage, and the loathsome Katie Hopkins have been in the US to support the Turnip.

Can you keep them please?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Oct 20 - 07:34 AM

The US procedures for elections is clearly a total shambles, not fir for purpose. How is it possible for figures about numbers of votes for particular candidates to be released until the complete vote is finished? So you get declarations about who has won in advance of the vote having been finished? It's the voting system of a banana republic.

Is there anybody determined to reform this corrupt process?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Oct 20 - 11:21 AM

Don't insult banana republics so.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 20 - 05:01 PM

Since the days of Diebold national elections and obstruction vote manipulation has not exceeded 10%. With all the post office games its not likely to be worse than 10% regionally. Putin's favorite insight is that the winner of an election is only up to those who count the votes. In America the manipulation of the vote count is not as bad as you think.
The assault on US voting is primarily getting to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 20 - 07:23 PM

I'm gonna take my horse to the polling place
Gonna make sure my country's in the global race
Gonna wait in line till I can't no more
Gonna make my vote like I did for Gore

I'm gonna ride my horse past A R 15's
Past guys making sure that they look cold and mean
Gonna wait a month for the last result
While lil donnie trump makes his last insult

OO-OOOO-O OOO

They call the wind 'the liar'
They say it says 'you're fired'


Gonna face next year with a cup of Joe
Gonna hope the nazis will decide to go.
They got lots of friends in the pen today
Along with all the ass holes in the KKK

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 10:38 AM

How is it that you have so few places you can vote that people have to stand in a line for hours?

We have a higher percentage of people voting than you do in the States, and we don't have advance voting, it's on the day, if you don't use a postal vote, which I never have, and I've never had to wait more than a few minutes to vote in my life. Normally it's just walk in with no waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 11:16 AM

Only 2 people allowed in at a time for covid reasons. Usually about 25 people can vote at a time. That is one reason. Plus they are disinfecting between voters. That is another reason. So instead of 25 people voting roughly every 30 seconds, 50 per minute, 300 per hour we have 2 people voting roughly every 3 minutes, 8 people per hour. Or so.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 20 - 11:42 AM

I early voted by paper scan. 4 minute wait, smooth as silk.
However I did not know how to pay $4 for 15 minutes of parking at rhe community garage.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 09:23 AM

The day after tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 12:15 PM

In UK, as long as someone joins the queue before the polling station closes, they can still vote. Is this the same in US?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 03:59 PM

Its the same.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM

It is being reported Trump may well declare victory before the mail-in votes are counted if he has a good lead on the in-person votes in most of the swing states. While this would have no legal validity, he can of course do it, on Twitter and elsewhere. What happens then, in your opinions?

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 07:16 PM

"Only 2 people allowed in at a time for covid reasons. Usually about 25 people can vote at a time. That is one reason. Plus they are disinfecting between voters. That is another reason. So instead of 25 people voting roughly every 30 seconds, 50 per minute, 300 per hour we have 2 people voting roughly every 3 minutes, 8 people per hour. Or so.'

This is an excuse and I think you know it. Queueing to vote for hours in your country is time-honoured, especially in areas where there are lots of poor voters or black voters, the people who would most likely overwhelmingly vote democrat. That seems like a pretty deliberate ploy. "Covid" has nothing to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 07:52 PM

Statistics about how many people can vote in X time period need to specify whether that is per machine or in one voting site. When we vote in person, there are about 12 booths in the room, with 2-3 tabulating machines to feed then into.

Once again I emphasize that the biggest problem with our elections... besides the outmoded electoral college... is that individual states can set times, days, registration rules, I.D. rules, etc..etc. that make fairness a matter of who runs that state's system.

   Our country grew gradually over a couple of centuries when special circumstances dictated how things were done. Now, communication and travel make it possible to put every state on a similar, if not identical, system of registration and voting.
*IF* the electoral college were gone, every citizen would have an equal say in who was president! Having 6-8 states determine the winner every 4 years is absurd!! I am sick of fretting about Florida and Ohio every time.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 08:43 PM

I fully share your frustration, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Nov 20 - 09:22 PM

States are gradually displacing the Electoral College by declaring how their representatives may vote (winner take all or proportional - more are going to proportional).

Queueing to vote for hours in your country is time-honoured, especially in areas where there are lots of poor voters or black voters, the people who would most likely overwhelmingly vote democrat. That seems like a pretty deliberate ploy. "Covid" has nothing to do with it.

SARS-Cov-2 has a great deal to do with the delays now, and the GOP representatives who have reduced the number of poling places and who are trying to cheat to win have made it a lot worse. What is needed is a new version of the Voting Rights Act that was cancelled in the Bush administration, allowing all of the nonsense that is happening now. A new act would again allow federal oversight and stop the state party folks meddling.

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Nov 20 - 03:54 AM

A timely reminder, for anyone who has yet to vote...

Robb:Arrowsmith - ‘God and the Orange Clown’

Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Nov 20 - 04:11 AM

States are gradually displacing the Electoral College by declaring how their representatives may vote (winner take all or proportional - more are going to proportional)

Unfortunately, doing this gradually causes problems as well. Suppose you win a state with 12 seats by a fair but not huge margin, and I only just win a state with 10. On the winner takes all, you get power with a 2 seat advantage. If they both are proportional, you get say 7 of yours, and I get 5. As I only just won mine, we get 5 each, and again you win with a 2 seat advantage. But if yours is proportional and mine is 'winner takes all', I get 5 of yours and 10 of mine, and end up with an 11 vote lead to take into the college.