BS: UK Politics - Another Try

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 04:18 AM

We've always known that the English are up their own wallets

What's next, Jim? Irish are thick? Jews are tight with money? Blacks are criminals?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 04:24 AM

It was a bit sweeping, Jim...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 04:49 AM

Go look at the racism percentages and the reasons we have abandoned the refugees whose plight we helped to create by voting for Brexit

That's nor racism - it's self-analysis (wherever I choose now to live or where my foren=bears cane from - I'm a Brit
The country I call my own and was once proud to be part of is now in the grip of populism brought about by swallowing the line of the extreme right and blaming "them" and joining in the demands to "send them back where they came from"
When Powell vomited his "Rivers of Blood" filth, he was drummed out of politics - the same policies have landed Britain in the Klarts big-time
I'm by no means disillusioned with Britain - I hope what has happened to is is a passing phase, but as things stand at present.....
Whether we like it or not, Iains and his ilk is a pretty fair representation of what has happened to our country
I would have said similar about the German people had I been able to at the time - I crtainly don't feel the same now
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 05:32 AM

Lefties don't do SENSIBLE, do they?
NHS beds £400/day. This seems rather low to me(In Ireland THE average cost of a bed in a public hospital is now €889 a day)Irish Independant.
800 private beds are going to be rented for 2.4 million ie 300/day

Do the math. but do not ask the abbaccus to help.

Superficially it would appear commandeering beds(were it possible) would cost more than simply renting.

Sounds about right for labour for a solution proposed by the hard left.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 05:34 AM

Jim, you made a sweeping generalisation that "The English" care more about money than people. Not some. Not many. But "The English" in general. How would you react is someone was to say that a whole group of people were pre-disposed to, for instance, grooming and abusing young girls? I have pulled you up on it. I shall not Labour the point. Whether you keep digging or accept that it was a poor choice of words is up to you.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 05:44 AM

Does making a racist comment make you a racist? There must be a lot of them about if it does.

Sweeping generalisations, don't you just love 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 05:48 AM

I know Jim is not racist, Rain Dog, which is why I pulled him up on it. There are those who make such generalisations all the time. They are best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:07 AM

It was a remark made in anger Dave - probably an overstatement, but an understandable one, I believe
I apologise to those who don't fit my description
Iain's is only serving may point with his hanging a price tag surviving in Modern Britain - however many there are like him, you have to admit that there are far too many
We're lucky to have him as an example of what Britain has become with the help of his like and his bosom buddy, Tommy the Terminator Robinson
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:20 AM

Thanks Jim. I thought as much.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:43 AM

We've always known that the English are up their own wallets


Carrol you are a disgrace! That is an inexcusable insult to an entire country.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 07:18 AM

It was a remark made in anger Dave - probably an overstatement, but an understandable one, I believe

No I do not believe.

You are a bigoted anglophobe.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 07:27 AM

It really is best just to avoid such deliberate provocation, Jim. You made the remark in anger. You have risen above his level by apologising to those who do not fit the description. No more need be said.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 07:49 AM

Lets assume YOU have been hit by a bus. No matter how vehemently you blame the driver or the city, it will have NO IMPACT on your medical condition.

YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE HIT BY A BUS,
Open your eyes and you may not die.

Blame may be fine if you survive,
but thats way down thw road.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 07:52 AM

ONLY AN UNRESERVED APOLOGY CUTS THE MUSTARD IN THIS CASE!

This we have most cerainly not had!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 09:14 AM

"ONLY AN UNRESERVED APOLOGY CUTS THE MUSTARD IN THIS CASE!"
Fascinating to see someone who has waged consisrnt and insulting war against learn half of the British voters who voted to stay in Europe, who has descrribed elected EMps and even the Prime Minister as "a traitor", who has described British workers who have attempted to have a say in the workplace as "trublemaking layabouts" and has accused the British Establishment, including the police for of "fitting up" a Neo-Nazi criminal who attacked an innocent man at a swimming pool - now turn into a flag-wagger defending the British people who he has shown nothing but contempt for
His own tagets ahve been British citizens originally from Ireland, British Travellers, and Britons from Muslim Countries
Keep it up Iain's - you're doing our job for us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 09:15 AM

"Nearly half" of course - must turn off spellcheck (only that would spoil some more of Iain's fun :-)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 09:39 AM

Very noteworthy that the only support offered to the anglophic ranter is by one of polish extraction.
Now about that apology!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 10:37 AM

"anglophic"
Still can't be bothered with the capital 'A' I see
Still - patriots run shallow (to mangle an old saying)

A reminder of your "patriotism
"A Pervert sexually assaulted TommyRobinson‘s 8 year-old daughter in a kids swimming pool and the Police turned up 3 hours later and arrest Robinson for restraining the Paedophile. - straight from a neo-Nazi site
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 11:18 AM

Not a chance Iains - you'll only get more publicity for your cause by ignoring what I wrote

WORTH RE-READING
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 11:22 AM

In the opening post of this thread, I implored everybody to ignore the trolling activities of the Right-Wing Extremist who got the previous thread closed. For my well-meant efforts, I received a sequence of less-than-friendly posts from one who should know better and, since then, I’ve kept out of the thread.

Perhaps now, even he can see the indisputable logic behind my post, as this thread increases its momentum towards the inevitable closure.

None are so deaf as they who will not listen.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 11:36 AM

”I received a sequence of less-than-friendly posts from one who should know better”

‘Posts’ in that sentence should have been ‘PMs’.
Apologies for the typo.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 01:27 PM

Hello all.. I've been out.. just catching up...

I'm English and don't care a toss that Jim made a rash clumsy overstatement in the heat of the moment..

It don't upset me at all.. I know Jim's heart is in a far better place than most other folks..

The only mudcatter who ever really needs to apologise [on a daily basis] is Iains...

Btw.. I thought he was Scottish...???

If that is correct, I don't want him getting so offended on my behalf..
bollocks to anyone apologising to him...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 01:30 PM

oh.. and.. if anyone thinks BWM's post was about me - I never sent him any PMs,

I prefer to have occasional honest fall outs with mudcat mates in open forum..

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 01:39 PM

"Btw.. I thought he was Scottish...???"
He boasts about having owned two farms in Ireland - tak about biting the hand that feeds him - but absentee landlords always did have that reputation
Thank you for your kind words on my rashness - much appreciated
Baccy's patly right, of course but I do find it more and more difficult to ignore this troll
It's like being told by a fond mammy to ignore her dysfunctional child as he wrecks conversation after conversation with his attention-seeking destructiveness
Will try to do better
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 01:59 PM

Jim - I'm dealing with a nutter on another forum at the moment..

At least the benefit of mudcat not allowing us to edit our own posts,
is folks can't make provocative obnoxious statements;
then after a few counter replies, re-edit their own posts
to make the respondents look like bullies...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 02:35 PM

I didn’t suggest it was you, pfr.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 02:57 PM

BWM - No probs.. I absolutely know that..

But other folks might have have mistakenly inferred it was me from your post...

I hope we are over our recent disagreement, and back to normal...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 03:07 PM

I never sulk for long, pfr! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 03:27 PM

I never sent him any PMs either!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 05:45 PM

Nor me but having been the recipient of similar I can make an educated guess :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:15 PM

Iains? Rudolf Cambert von Crumbucket? Steve?
Was it a flash in the pan or a micro conspiracy?
Current events won't push back Brexit will it

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:29 PM

Current events won't push back Brexit will it

I assume that is a question, not a statement.

if so, it is a really good question. There is no doubt that politically Johnson and team will want to do everything they feasibly can not to postpone things. But since even Brexiteers were (in the main) willing to accept there was a significant risk of a likely short term dip in the economy, albeit with a claimed bounce later. we are now predicting a major dip due to the virus. Having both dips at the same time, rather than one, a recovery, then the other is a huge risk to take.

As I say, the current government is likely to all it can to avoid a delay. Whether it can remains to be seen.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 20 - 06:34 PM

I read earlier today that the government are actually planning a delay beyond 31/12/20, but I’m damned if I can remember where.

Anyone else seen it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 04:50 AM

Delay Brexit??

We will have to wait and see. When the Divorce started Corona was something you drank out of a bottle, not a force majeure





https://www.ft.com/content/14232572-686e-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 04:58 AM

It is worth remembering that, as Boris would have it, we "got Brexit done" in January 2020, where we lost most of the things Remainers cared about, but because we are subject to all the rules we have gained few of the things Leavers cared about. If we delay, we are definitely in a BRINO situation where both sides are getting very much less than they wanted.

No one knows how long the impact of coronavirus might last, but several years to get back to where we were at the start of 2020 is by no means unlikely.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 09:41 AM

DMcG - a lot of the most fanatical old brexiteers will be too dead to gloat about victory by then...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:03 AM

No one knows how long the impact of coronavirus might last, but several years to get back to where we were at the start of 2020 is by no means unlikely.
I hope you are correct but I suspect a very changed landscape at the other end of this crisis. Post WW2 rationing lasted in the uk until
midnight on 4 July 1954, Depending upon the severity of the hit return to a new normal perhaps may take a similar time. It is very early days but the situation being planned for is a little more than a temporary blip.
I will be ecstatic to be proved wrong, but.....
(A lot of fanatical old rejoiners will slso be too dead to keep bleating whining and moaning) every cloud has a silver lining!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:08 AM

Presumably Trump and Johnson have hatched a plot to ascertain that only red-neck right wing fascists like themselves will survive

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:15 AM

Sorry about that
Just wanted to highlight the sick mind of a fanatic prick who wishes everybody who doesn't agree with him dead at a time when we all feel threatened
Bet jokes like thet were flying left right and centre during The Holocaust
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:15 AM

Trump probably got the vaccine well before CIA bats were infiltrated into the Chinese food market...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:19 AM

No bog rolls in the shops.. not a problem for the tory ruling elite..

They'll have their arses licked clean as usual...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:24 AM

Iains - as mush merriment as there is in taking the piss out of each other [a Great British Tradition..}

I suspect this crisis might not work as well as hoped to heal divisions
and bring the survivors back together as one happy unified nation of Britons...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 10:25 AM

No one knows how long the impact of coronavirus might last, but several years to get back to where we were at the start of 2020 is by no means unlikely.
I hope you are correct but I suspect a very changed landscape at the other end of this crisis. Post WW2 rationing lasted in the uk until midnight on 4 July 1954

I agree - I just didn't want to say we could be stuck in BRINO for a decade, because I thought people might say I was wildly "project fear-ing"! So I gave what I thought was the shortest plausible time we could start the 'second dip' due to any Brexit effects without risking compounding the two sources of a lowered GDP (or whatever economic measure you want)

In truth, that time is only plausible if they is an unexpected turn-around in the progress of the coronavirus, such as finding an existing, already tested drug is an effective cure and/or vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 11:06 AM

DMcG. I suspect it will be impossible toguage the impaxtof brexit with the economic hit by Covid19. It is by no means certain the EU will survive. Greece was thrown under a bus for economic reasons ahd Italy also joined that club, though for different criteria.
Globalism and strecthed supply chains and just in time deliveries will take a mighty shock most likely. Governments may well re evaluate such concepts when sanity returns. Climate change should have generated the conversation several decades ago.

TJust wanted to highlight the sick mind of a fanatic prick who wishes everybody who doesn't agree with him dead at a time when we all feel threatened
Bet jokes like thet were flying left right and centre during The Holocaust!
The argument room is closed to troublemaking exiles. How very sad!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 11:13 AM

I'll tell that to my sisters who are worried sick about their kids scattered all over virus-riddled Britain - I'm not sure how they voted in the refereendum
Sick bastard
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 11:29 AM

Jim - it's only fair I point out that Iain's remark was in response to mine,
taking the piss out of his side of old brexiteers..

Sorry to spoil your reason for having a go at him this time..

But no doubt there will be plenty more opportunities
as we all try to survive the pandemic together...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 11:56 AM

Then stand admonished
I usually have no problem with sick humour, but this time it's a little different -as is a joke coming from someone happy to see survivors from a horrendous fire rather than let the use empty buildings
Somehow you instinctively know who is serious and who isn't from their track record
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 12:06 PM

Jim - Yes it was my fault - bum spanked..

But, I'll always defend the human need for grim dark humour,
as an antidote to despair..
especially in times of crisis...

I think I know my limits, beyond which even I sense it's no longer funny..

But a difficult balance to maintain amongst a diverse group of folks
with different senses of humour,
and too easily triggered offence.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 02:36 PM

"But, I'll always defend the human need for grim dark humour,"
Me too
It's those who mean it that worry me
There's a wonderful story, claimed to be true, about this town during the Famine
The carts used to go around picking up the bodies, bring them through Miltown and turning at Canada Cross up to The Ballard Cemetery
One was makig the turn when a body fell off and landed in the gutter outside the blacksmith's shop (owned by a blacksmith later to be celebrted in the song as one of the 'Three Brave Blacksmiths' who were imprisoned for refusing to shoe a landlady's horse because of her treatment of tenants)
The blacksmith ran out and attempted to help the driver lift the body back onto the cart - it woke up
The smith brought the man in, fed him and gave him a job, he survived for another fourteen years
The smithy is still there, though now empty - it was still operational when we moved here
Not funny, but extremely heartening
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Mar 20 - 03:25 PM

200!