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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Apr 20 - 01:44 PM What a shame you lefty pefties can't have things your own way, Oh dear what a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally pointless attacking post. Please stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 03 Apr 20 - 01:23 PM Raggytash: The source data, scroll to the table. Here More testing,catching the asymptomatic, (thus boradening the victim base, more rigerous determination of cause of death where co-morbidities exist? As yet the conundrum is unanswered. Do they have a better approach, or is it differences in collation? I am sure mant people are studying the German figures to see if lessons cn be learnt. This crisis is likely to last way beyong the initial lockdowns being discussed. Trying to restart with a "Clearance" certificate is fraught with difficulties. It merely captures a moment in time, just like an MOT cert. The following day you could become a budding typhoid Mary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 01:14 PM "we should be proud and thankful that such an amazing facility was put together in just 9 days." Worth repeating that it's a shame that failing to produce sufficient protection for the medical staff will possibly put off getting staff for this magnificent and essential facility Already this hospital has been downgraded for the treatment of LESS CRITICAL CASES Are you people really more concerned about covering up the shortcomings on behalf of your Government, than meting the needs of the victims ? You really need to tune your instrument instead of political bum-kissing Bozo Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:54 PM It was put together by the army in the main, Bonzo. At least the present administration have the sense to use the armed forces sensibly for a change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:48 PM Based in the ExCel centre, the NHS Nightingale Hospital will be able to hold as many as 4,000 coronavirus patients, we should be proud and thankful that such an amazing facility was put together in just 9 days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Raggytash Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:39 PM Two days ago Iains posted some interesting information which raises numerous questions. He posted:- positive Deaths Italy 105,792 12,428 Spain 95,923 8,464 Germany 71,808 775 France 52,128 3,523 UK 25,150 2.352 Switzerland 16,605 433 Belgium 12,775 705 Netherlands 12,595 1,039 Austria 10,298 128 There would appear to be significant difference between testing positive and fatalities between various nations. Germany, Switzerland and Austria appear to have far lower fatality rates other countries. So are we asking them how they are managing the crisis, are we asking them how they are caring for the sick. It would seem they are doing something that other countries are not, something that appears to be beneficial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:35 PM "Retirement’s by far the best job I’ve ever had." It is for me too, but we were in a position to move to somewhere we could afford where we wanted to b and survive on the proceeds of out London home It almost makes being sentenced for thirty years in a place we didn't want to be Not a lot of people are that lucky Now I have come to realise I won't have enough time to finish everything I need to te make sense of our lives - but we're happy someone else will That's why I love having become involved in folk song **** all that maudlin nonsense - I'm going to live forever TOP of the WORLD MA !!! Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:10 PM well..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 20 - 12:04 PM Should have said I retired eight years ago after working for a few months short of fifty years. Retirement’s by far the best job I’ve ever had. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 03 Apr 20 - 11:52 AM ['m still (sort of) working supporting disabled people in the community. at present i'm self-isolating on govt advice (i'm 64 with blood pressure, asthma etc) however, i'm doing what i can as a union rep for our members. i'd like to retire though i have the best part of a couple of years to go - but the current situation is making me think about that. i have also thought that not many of us on here are still working and wondered how much contact we have with family and friends and getting about in their community. one or two people give the impression that they don't engage much other than with a screen. ach well.....suppose that's all of us now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 20 - 11:50 AM I retired in July 2019 and I posted more before that as, being on call / standby a lot I had more time on my hands! As to motives for posting. Where do I start? Why discuss anything with anyone? We all know we will change no-one's mind. Some may think they can make a valid point. Others may enjoy some feeling of false superiority. Some just like the cut and thrust. Why do you post, Rain Dog? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 20 - 11:41 AM Nobody’s forced to read these threads, it’s not compulsory. I spend considerably more time, and set far more store by, certain guitar-related forums. I’ve learned a very great deal from those, whereas I’m not really convinced I’ve learned anything from the BS section here - other than confirming what I already knew, that some people are ass-hats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: DMcG Date: 03 Apr 20 - 11:26 AM I get the impression that most of the frequent posters here are not working any longer. Is that the case? Speaking for myself, I retired at the end of November 2019, so am a newcomer to this retirement lark. I do still have a consultancy agreement with my last employer, but I said I would not be available until April. I am not expecting to be inundated with work just at the moment. I would not expect anyone's views to change much as a result of any of these threads, but that does not mean I see no value in them. I remember a couplet from one of the introductory songs to 'That was the week that was' which went: One eye opened wide, one eye closed, And between the two the picture gets composed. There seems to me to be a lot of truth in that. I find reading what others have written helps me develop my understanding. It is unlikely, I accept, that anyone is going to say something that completely changes my viewpoint, but they can and do draw things to my attention that makes me say "Let's think about that." |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Apr 20 - 10:54 AM Bonzo3legs posted "Remember, some of us are still working!!!!!!" Indeed some of us are still just about working, hoping to hang on in there until this current situation eases up. I get the impression that most of the frequent posters here are not working any longer. Is that the case? Of course, posting to this list does not count as work. What does it count as though? I sometimes think that posters from both 'sides' are auditioning to become one of Mr Cummings advisers in No 10. If not that, what? There does seem to be a lot of preaching to the converted. Are posters hoping to convince casual readers to change their point of view after dipping into this thread? Personally I would be worried if anyone comes to these threads looking for political enlightenment. How many people just come here to read the threads? They are mostly populated by the same handful of posters. From my own calculation (please note that other calculations are available) since 03.11 on the 30.3.20 until 08.11 on the 3.4.20, 14 different posters contributed to the thread. Of those 14, 3 posted once and 1 posted twice. I think it safe to say that no opinions were changed in these 5 days. We are living in strange times. Let us hope that as many of us as possible manged to live through it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 08:11 AM "Would somebody please tell the Ex-Press that we left the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31/1/20?" And that particular bumwipe was one of the most enthusiastic reasons for Britain leaving To take cue from their invention - "Remoaners" - how about an "Ex-bleative" too late too late" Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 20 - 07:37 AM Apparently, our Brexiteer-Press have never heard the expression ‘Having your cake and eating it’! Would somebody please tell the Ex-Press that we left the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31/1/20? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 20 - 07:34 AM Jim - :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Doug Chadwick Date: 03 Apr 20 - 07:16 AM Remember, some of us are still working!!!!!! Work? ... work?? ... yes, I seem to remember that word from somewhere! ;-) DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 07:11 AM Sorry Dave - you all look the same from over here :-) I've seen your photograph - poor Steve eh ? :-) "Remember, some of us are still working!!!!!!" Defending the indefensible while watching crap Argentinian pop singers nausing up good songs over dinner doesn't count as work Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 20 - 07:00 AM It was me that linked that piece, Jim, not Steve. I know we are both from Manchester and of a similar age but we are easy to tell apart. I am the handsome one :-) Good article from the New Statesman magazine The real reason the UK government pursued “herd immunity” – and why it was abandoned |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Apr 20 - 06:32 AM Remember, some of us are still working!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 06:30 AM Apologies not necessary Baccie - well worth repeating Hope you didn't go to Bondi Beach or MEXICO for your break Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 20 - 06:01 AM Ah, sorry Jim, I’ve been trying to make myself take a bit of a holiday away from the toxicity of this thread, so I must have missed Steve’s post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:53 AM Steve put Reid's frightening statement up some time ago Backie - well worth doing again just in case some of the nodding dogs are moved to even acknowledging it though - do far, not even a denial Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:49 AM It is well worth listening to what Hancock said when he said "we will listen to what people have been saying" Isn't that what they should have been doing when it first became obvious that it made sense ? How many mistakes does it take to get this lot doing exactly that instead of standing up on their hind legs when the like of Scummings whistles ? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:49 AM It is well worth listening to what Hancock said when he said "we will listen to what people have been saying" Isn't that what they should have been doing when it first became obvious that it made sense ? How many mistakes does it take to get this lot doing exactly that instead of standing up on their hind legs when the like of Scummings whistles ? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:37 AM ”As always when the left refuse to accept the message, they attack the messenger“ ...thus spake the man with the world’s shortest memory, especially where his own behaviour is concerned. Do ‘Grauniard’, ‘Magic grandad’, ‘Abbopotamus’, ‘Abbacus’, or ‘Little jimmie’ ring any bells? Words like ‘pot’, ‘kettle‘, and ‘black’ spring to mind. In the meantime, a very interesting POV piece here from Dr. Rupert Read - an academic who, unlike Paul Staines, did manage to complete his studies and achieve a PhD - about the government’s handling of the Covid-19 crisis... https://youtu.be/aKTwBbge4lQ And I wonder what is happening behind the scenes about the reckless escapade of Brexit? Any negotiations in progress - for instance by conference call? Or has the Covid-19 crisis given Cummings and Johnson the perfect cover for allowing us to quietly drift over the cliff-edge of no-deal? Nothing like a good crisis to hide bad news, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:30 AM Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term is applied to several different types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically it refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. Good examples being "a sufficiency of moaning minnies on this thread", "Some are just too ready to jump in with both feet before understanding what they are reading", "Do you ever read anything before clattering all over your keyboard" or "The laddie is not so smart after all" A bad example being comparing the qualifications of two people making opposing arguments to determine which one is likely to be telling the truth. But, as I said, I know who I believe and I reckon the majority will agree. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant and further labouring of the point will serve no useful purpose. I suggested that you step back from the personal attacks a short while back and I think that sentiment was confirmed at 4:46 AM so maybe you should take notice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: DMcG Date: 03 Apr 20 - 05:29 AM Thank God for Matt Hancock John Crace is a sketch writer for the Guardian, so as a rule his articles are humourously critical of the Government (how humourous being a matter of taste, of course) Here he is actually praising Hancock quite a bit for his press conference, even suggesting it as an exemplar for how do so such things. Just worth noting in passing, I feel, that people are not just attacked because they are 'the other'. There are still lots of holes in the government stance: a target of 100,000 by the end of April is all very well, but I could have a target of being a millionaire by the end of April: Targets without plans to achieve them are not enough, and at the moment the plans are not too settled: Speaking to Good Morning Britain, [Matt Hancock] said: “We haven’t put in a breakdown of the different type of tests. “It is a 100,000 goal across the five pillars of the testing strategy. I haven’t actually pencilled any in for the home test – the antibody tests – and the reason for that is because we so far haven’t found one that works and so I’m not going to pencil any in, but if we do find one that works obviously that will be great. So well done to Matt Hancock on the performance last night. It needs to be kept up and brought to fruition. But it is also important to stick to what he implied in that extract: the tests need to work. I would far rather we only got 50,000 reliable tests than we got to 100,000 but using tests that did not really work. I think that is a trap the Spanish may have fallen into: caring about the numbers more than the quality. We have to avoid that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 04:58 AM THOUGHT HANCOCK WAS DEAD Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Barb'ry Date: 03 Apr 20 - 04:46 AM Morning all. Just to let you know I'm still here. A gentle reminder that personal attacks get up my nose and seem to serve no useful purpose. I really don't like deleting things but if the level of these attacks gets too high, I might have to delete to clear up the thread a bit. Hope you are, and stay, safe. By the way, those of you listening to Hancock's speech yesterday - when he said the government was Before you yell, I was joking! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 04:44 AM "cur " Meant cure of course but I wouldn't put it above those murdering bastards to try everything out on dogs first Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 03 Apr 20 - 04:11 AM Which ad hominem attack are you referring to BTW? Howsabout this one: Staines. A sensationalist blogger with a criminal past. Yet he managed to destroy Peston's troublemaking allegation with irrefutable facts. Tell me where I am in error. As always when the left refuse to accept the message, they attack the messenger and when called out make a pathetic attempt to act the innocent. By your post you would appear ignorant of the meaning of ad hominem Yourconcernwould be better placed trying to undersyand the postion of the government faced with inadaquate testing gear in limited quantities and decideing whether to give priority: 1)to front line NHS workers 2)to patients 3)to the wider community.In order to introduce higher precision for modelling and hence forward planning. http://www.asianews.it/news-en/COVID-19:-Chinese-companies-selling-defective-test-kits-abroad-49698.html You seem to expect black and white answers when the entire world is in the twilight zone of a pandemic. In the real world black and white is a bonus in many situations, outcomes from decisions are often uncertain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 04:08 AM Interesting contradiction The British American Tobacco Company are seeking a cur for the virus Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Apr 20 - 03:33 AM Hi y'al - hope ll is still well with you Nothing seems to have changed over the long silence Boris the Brainless's sheep are still defending inaction, indifference and contempt from The Clowns in Clover despite the fears and continuous efforts of those on the Virus War-front FORGOTTEN HEROES "GROUNDLESS" FEARS Maybe they'll get what's coming to them when we are able to rake over the ashes of this fiasco, though as they'll be carrying out the now inevitble enquiry, I doubt it - not guilty on all counts, no doubt They'll probably blame the last Labour Government Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 02 Apr 20 - 10:03 PM Hee-----Haaaaaw!!! ~[]):-{ > |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: punkfolkrocker Date: 02 Apr 20 - 06:48 PM I hurredly wrote this whilst holdng on to the urge to run to the bog, pressed "Submit message".. and mudcat decided to take a day's holiday.. so buggered if I'll waste it... ============================== BBC news reporting our clot of a PM is in trouble for using ZOOM for online ministerial conference meetings.. a] because ZOOM is being investigated for it's security systems.. b] because he twitter posted a screen shot of his ZOOM security passwords, something like that.. [ I'm on the way to the bog in a hurry.. google for exact reported facts if you're arsed enough..].. Trust this div to run a nation...!!!??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 02 Apr 20 - 06:39 PM And let's face it, the labour party are doing absolutely mothing ........ah I'm forgetting they were thrashed in the last election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Apr 20 - 05:56 PM Mrs Steve and I stepped outside at eight to cheer and applaud the front-line workers of the NHS, the supermarket workers, the carers and the teachers. We're a quarter of a mile from neighbours and we thought we couldn't be heard, in spite of our hollering on top of the clapping. But I thought I heard voices... I shushed Mrs Steve, and sure enough we heard a response... from the two donkeys up at the farm, who started braying like mad when they heard us. It was great to hear that the animal kingdom are on our side... ...Then I came in to see the arch-hypocrite Tory Hancock on Question Time wearing his NHS badge... I refused to be downcast... I reckoned that those donkeys had their finger-equivalents on the pulse far more than these Tory degenerates have... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Apr 20 - 05:26 PM It all was, Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 02 Apr 20 - 04:37 PM Dave, I take it that second part was aimed at someone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Apr 20 - 03:51 PM You pays your money and takes your chance. I have no reason to believe Peston did not check his source. The main telling statement to me was "Also, if it turns out there is a shortage, these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened." I have no need to convince anyone. More than enough people do not trust anything that comes out of this government. Which ad hominem attack are you referring to BTW? "a sufficiency of moaning minnies on this thread", "Some are just too ready to jump in with both feet before understanding what they are reading", "Do you ever read anything before clattering all over your keyboard" or "The laddie is not so smart after all"? You have already been spanked and had personal abuse deleted. Are you sure you want to continue down that route? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 02 Apr 20 - 03:41 PM Dave the Gnome: From Robert Paxton of ITS news 2 days ago. "Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. . . . if it turns out there is a shortage, these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened. We have 2 stories and as I said earlier we make a choice of who to believe. Someone who knows what is happening in the industry or a politician trying to cover his own arse." It seems the unnamed source is uncertain whether there is a shortage. He categorically states there's no shortage, and then says that if there is a shortage they can do something about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 02 Apr 20 - 03:32 PM You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink! Another ad hominem attack I see. Is that the best you can do when your argument is proven to be fallacious? Below are some of the people most likely to know. Professional Association of Laboratory Medics, Germany: “The association is worried that the materials required for testing — sample kits, materials for extracting samples, and reagents — are becoming scarce” Department of Health, Australia: “Due to global demand exceeding supply, stocks of all laboratory related testing consumables are under considerable strain. At the moment there are particular concerns around supplies of swabs and DNA extraction kits.” Centre for Disease Control, United States: Important reagents are “now are in short supply,” Leo Varadkar, Ireland: “The current cause of delay is a shortage of reagents. We hope to address that but then there may be a shortage of something else. We have to be honest about that – we will hit delays.” Chief Public Health Officer, Province of Manitoba, Canada: “Right now the major roadblock is the reagent and that is worldwide.” Center for Disease Control and Prevention, South Korea: “Kwon Jun-wook, deputy director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said … it was true that Roche Diagnostics’ supply of reagents for nucleic acid extraction was not stable.” Health Ministry, Israel: Deputy Director General Prof. Itamar Grotto said that “Unfortunately what we just received is not exactly what we needed. The test is comprised of many components and the main problem is that we are missing swabs.” National Public Health Surveillance Laboratory, Lithuania: “The reagent kits have been shipped out but have not yet arrived. Supply chains are breaking down. We are following the situation and trying to coordinate.” Metropolis Health Ltd, (registered lab offering tests) India: “Since resources are limited, including protection equipment for sample collectors and reagents, we have decided to prioritise testing to those who are most at need.” Virology Laboratory at Italy’s National Institute for Infectious Diseases, European Commission Coronavirus Advisory Group: “major companies that provide the reagents that labs need to analyze tests are reaching “the maximum of their capacity,” said Capobianchi, noting there’s also a need for more swabs for collecting samples. “I don’t know how long they would require to scale up their capacity,” she said of reagent producers.” Alastair Campbell, who regularly mimicked Peston's habit of flicking back his hair, once responded to a question with the words: "Another question from the Peston school of smartarse journalism" The laddie is not so smart after all. His original tweet Robert Peston @Peston .@michaelgove said just now that the difficulty in increasing number of #COVID19 tests was due to a shortage of the relevant "chemcial reagents". Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It... 6:53 pm · 31 Mar 2020·Twitter Web App |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Apr 20 - 11:14 AM Still question of who to believe. Peston, a serious established journalist with a reputation for the truth Or Staines. A sensationalist blogger with a criminal past. I know who my money is on and who most people are likely to trust. You make your own choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 02 Apr 20 - 09:23 AM On Tuesday evening, ITV Political Editor Robert Peston made extraordinary and widely shared claims that "there is no shortage of the relevant reagents" – implying that the Government was either lying or simply hadn't bothered to ask around. His tweet has attracted over 14,000 retweets and 20,000 likes. His single anonymous Chemical Industries Association source could be right. On the other hand, Guido has pulled together some other people who might just know what they are talking about: Let Guido enlighten you with a worldwide recap as I mentioned several poosts back. Peston fact checked: https://order-order.com/2020/04/02/pestons-testing-shortage-disinformation/ Tis always best to fact check before posting. Seems a failing of the left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Apr 20 - 04:42 AM Robert PESTON. Damn spill chucker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Apr 20 - 04:40 AM From Robert Paxton of ITS news 2 days ago. Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with Mr Gove's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped. The Association also points out there was an industry chat with a business minister on Tuesday, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid-19 testing kits. So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage, these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened. We have 2 stories and as I said earlier we make a choice of who to believe. Someone who knows what is happening in the industry or a politician trying to cover his own arse. Hmmm!. Tough one. NOT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 01 Apr 20 - 03:02 PM We seem to have no problem - why should you wgat part of below did you not understand? RTE.ie-4 hours ago ... testing for Covid-19 due to the global shortage of testing kits, reagents and ... challenges in terms of securing supplies of reagent for testing. and HSE apologises to those waiting for test results, Taoiseach says there will be some delays Updated / Wednesday, 1 Apr 2020 19:03 Do you ever read anything before clattering all over your keyboard? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 01 Apr 20 - 02:10 PM "Limited reagent gives rise to limited testing" A friggin' excuse again We seem to have no problem - why should you ITV gets its information from Government sources - what else are THEY going to say |