BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:52 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:07 AM


Perhaps you need reminding of this post:
Date: 28 May 19 - 09:19 AM
I will not humiliate you by posting it here

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:33 AM

"partick thistle "
Aka Partick Thisle Nil
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 08:23 AM

i know, i have to be careful about that crap round here too - it's the main reason i didn't stand for council and why we are looking to move to more progressive places like glasgow or lancaster. i was meaning just a quick picture - bloke 64 in small northern town with wife and and lurcher and 5 kids in various places. likes going to see partick thistle and live music. beer. - that sort of thing , don't suppose the name is important. i'd just like some sense of talking to a real person. i like the fact that bonzo got a greyhound recently for example - how's the dog b?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 07:20 AM

I’m not going to give my real identity out, Pete, not under any circumstances. I’ve seen what these Right-Wing organisations and their representatives on forums like this one are capable of.

Those whom I wish to know my true i.d. know it already. The rest? No bloody way.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:46 AM

I'm too slow and involved elsewhere John but thanks anyway :-)

Now we can start another!

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:35 AM

a few posts ago i put up reference to hopeful stuff to try to distract from the name calling and racist far-right stuff to move onto more productive and positive discussion. well, no real interest (that el salvador leader's speech is really good!) in that. i think there is the potential for a good forum here but Iain has just corrupted and deliberately degraded any such attempt . we've tried several different tactics -the mockery turnip. being my last one - i won't try again and will go back to my usual ignoring - though there are somethings a few of us will not ignore. really - we have tried but the moderators do feel compelled to keep him on despite everything - so we are stuck with him. in a new attempt - what about if we just posted in our real names. what about if we started with brief description of ourselves - i don't really like engaging with someone with no idea of who i'm talking to. while most of us are fairly open about this - the doubt persisits that at times we are dealing with some whose only identity is on a screen - so have no need for social niceties or give and take or any of the normal rules of a relationship, or group dynamics. while there is so much disinformation and fake news and hate speech online is it too much to ask that the mods could do a little bit to protect us from all that stuff - peace, love and understanding - pete. (any link to the slower nick lowe version of that song would be appreciated)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:15 AM

Bloody hell Dave, I gifted it to you and you missed it! *#%@¥§£*

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 06:07 AM

"Still waiting for you to back up your defamtory statements with proof jim"
Doy you deny describing me as a bog dweller - if you don't you are a racist
Do you deny describing the Travelling communits as Slave owning, dirt spreading Travellers - if you don't you are a racist
Do you denyy saying grooming is a Muslim problem - if you don't you are a racist
Do you deny comparing a black Labour politician as a hippopotamus - if you don't you are a racist

If you don't remember your having said these things the rest of us do
The End
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:50 AM

Here ya go, Dave

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:49 AM

When you have one poster whose sole purpose is to provoke according to the instructions of the Right-Wing Extremist group who planted him here, a second who is incapable of ignoring such provocation, a third who has no opinion about anything but simply nit-picks grammar/vocabulary of others, and a fourth whose only contributions are childish name-calling, the chances of peaceful and meaningful discussion are precisely zero.

But you can try, Barb’ry. I won’t hold my breath though.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:41 AM

And if I may suggest a list of rules to post at the start

1. No personal abuse
2. No whataboutism
3. No personal abuse
4. There is no rule 4
5. No personal abuse

I'm sure there must be more.

Did I mention no personal abuse?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:38 AM

Let it run to 1000 before you close it :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:36 AM

Whatever you do is your call entirely. I just wish to say that I spent many years in secondary schools in east London, and from the outset I vowed to myself never to let racism rear up in my classroom without my calling it out. Actually, it was even more than likely to do that in the all-white Devon school I moved on to... A good ploy is to call out racist stuff without actually calling the perpetrator a racist...one can always "express disappointment" in the person instead...But in m'humble it would be outrageous to suggest that we should ever let racism pass without comment. Which I'm sure is not what you intend.

As for backwardsman, lefty-pefty, leftards and little jimmie, etc., such idiocies just tell us a lot about the intellectual deficits of the users and nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:27 AM

Still waiting for you to back up your defamtory statements with proof jim. How many times do you have to be asked? Do you really believe I could post anything racist with your little packmates circling around my every post like vultures that have not fed for a month? Time you owned up to your stupidity and publicly apologised, otherewise you come across as a bitter, vindictive old man. The ball is firmly in your court. You make the accusation, you justify it.

Donuel. Fort Detrick is both a level 3 and 4 facility and in such a place the difference between defensive and offensive activity is, in my view, zilch. The little beasies still bite no matter what label you may wish to hang on teasing out their secrets. The label is but a sop for public consumption.(and a SOP for all governments)
Historically, Fort Detrick was the center of the U.S. biological weapons program from 1943 to 1969. Since the discontinuation of that program, it has hosted most elements of the United States biological defense program. Yeah Right!!!!!
Mr Shaw: I am sorry you find well-educated shaw such an insult.
It is a description you have used to describe yourself. If you find it to be an insulting label what does that say about you?

Those that post considered responses deserve a considered reply. This will have to wait as I have a tractor injector pump to strip and reseal.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Barb'ry
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 05:13 AM


Morning all
As this whole thread seems to be turning into a ping pong match of thinly veiled, repetitive and boring insults with the occasional interesting remark, I wonder if it has run its lengthy and confusing course and should be closed and then restarted.

I do not expect anyone to blame anyone else.
I do not want to hear how racist or lefty pefty or turnipy anyone is.

I will leave this here for your comments.
B

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 04:51 AM

I'm watching the entire "Spooks" series on BBC iPlayer. Highly recommended btw. I know it is fictional but it does highlight DMcGs point very well. A lot of decisions are political rather than logical. That is what happens sometimes. That is the nature of politics. And it is those political decisions that need to be questioned.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 04:04 AM

Iains - thank you for making the effort to submit a more intelligent post - I'd echo that comment from pfr.   We are sorely missing a considered view from 'non-lefties'. As with pfr I don't agree with the bulk of it, but that does not mean it could not be discussed sensibly and without insults flying about.

So I will pick out a single point: just think how much worse the response would have been had we 10years of corbyn misrule.

Leave out the Corbyn reference: your argument is essentially 'just think how much worse it could be.' My rejoiner is of course it could be worse, but could it be better?   To do that, we have to examine decisions that are being taken now and saying "does this seem right?" I have tried to do that in a fairly non-partisan way: a specific decision is not wrong because the Tories are made it. If I say it is wrong, I have always attempted to say why I think so on other grounds.


Let's take the critical early decision on whether to follow the WHO "test, test, test" advice and go with our home grown advice that is not the best approach. Both are scientific advice, but they are contradictory. I have few objections to a politician who says "We have to make a choice. We have thought long and hard and our political choice is to follow the home advice. We believe that is right, but recognise it could be wrong. If so we will take every step we can to overcome whatever has gone wrong."

That is a mature and responsible approach, and I think few fair minded people could object to it. But that is not what is happening. They are holding this shield of "always following the scientific advice" without admitting they are making political choices at every step because there is not a uniform scientific advice: how could there be at such an early stage of the virus? My objections to Patel's approach is not so much about the decisions but the refusal to accept the government's part in the decisions: it is not all the scientists, however often they say it.

Similarly the decisions whether to build up the existing manufacturers of ventilators or try to get new companies to build new designs. Or when and how intensely you support care homes: all these are political decisions and we have every right to question whether they are the correct decision. It is nothing whatever to do with who is in power.   There is no problem, in my mind, asking new companies to build new designs of ventilators as a 'back up' plan - putting 90% of your effort into the 'known to work' approach and 10% into 'might not but worth a try' approach is reasonable. Leaving people who could make them in the cold so that haven't even been asked to help is not.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 02:29 AM

Why keep posting then, Doug? Do you have anything to say about politics rather than about other posters? What are your views on, for instance, the litany of lies made by Boris and his band of merry men? Or the fact that the NHS has been run down to the extent it cannot cope? Or that thousands have died because the government did not act soon enough? Maybe you can throw some light on these questions without resorting to attacking the currently toothless opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 02:21 AM

This thread stands to be closed if this feller is made the focus of attention - even by our somewhat tolerant mod who declares she doesn't want to censor us
Let's leave him
I wind him up occasionally when he gets out of hand, but it hasn't made a lot of difference, neither has he, so he just carries in - it's in his contract probably
Let's leave him - he doesn't want to discuss what's happening in Britain, he is just happy to use the present problems as a right-wing soapbox - they haven't made much of an impact elsewhere, best to ignore all of them

Trump's attempting to take down The World Health Organisation at a time such organisations are needed most seem to have rattled the cages of even the most faithful, the man is obviously unstable and out of control
I have little doubt that Britain would follow would follow his lead if Mad Maggie Patel was in charge   
Dangerous days from all directions
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 02:10 AM

But I just haven't the patience for boring repetitive (insert chosen name here here)* ...

*There are oh so many names available from the various UK Politics threads.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:25 PM

Steve - me and you playing good cop / bad cop..

"The Sweeney"...!!!

Personally, I can put up with evil Iains, as much as everyone loathes him;
I can get some stimulation from that..

But I just haven't the patience for boring repetitive Iains...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 08:41 PM

Sorry, pfr, mate, but just because he refrained from his routine insults and managed to pen some stuff in real sentences doesn't mean that he hasn't come out with a pile of shite that reveals what we already know, that he knows nothing about anything. And you just know that he will revert to type very quickly. Back to little jimmie and well-educated shaw and abbotamus and magic grandad any minute now. When you've spent years shitting in your own bed as he has, it takes a bloody sight more than one "articulate" post to redeem himself. Which doesn't mean I don't get what you're trying to do. But just remember that he's a right-wing plant, a mere puppet, who can't engage in proper discussion because he isn't intelligent enough and who simply parrots the Thoughts Of Chairman Alt-Right... Indulge him and it'll just end in tears...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 07:33 PM

Iains - thank you for making the effort to submit a more intelligent post,
rather than the usual propagandist bile,
that has got you such a bad reputation.

I'm genuinely not being sarcastic or patronising.
I know you are capable of thought provoking writing.
Though I don't see it here frequently enough.

Obviously I'd disagree with much of it,
but this is the work of the Iains persona I can relate to for sensible debate.

Far preferable to the buffoonish propagandist Iains,
I resort to making fun of...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:30 PM

Iain manure
conspiracy consmearacy

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:15 PM

Fort Detrick level 3 bio lab. (Its old)

Read Hot Zone, not that I need to tickle your funny (conspiracy theory) bone.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 04:58 PM

Iains - blah blah Labour.. blah blah Corbyn.. blah blah blah....

..any thing to distract from tory Govt covid response f@ckups...

It is a thread on UK politics. Remember?
You had many other threads to discuss the covid virus but you all politicised one of them and lost it.
Who did or did not do what in terms of whose government response to scientific advice is a matter to discuss when all the facts are known.
All that is happening at the moment is that the media are rolling out so called experts as fast as they can providing they have an agenda and attempt to smear, denigrate and generally find fault with everything the government is doing. And all you lefties are doing is parroting their allegations so long as it argues against the actions the government is taking., Never have so many "experts" on epidemeology been seen concentrated among the left posting on this forum. You all seem to know so much better than the government, but just think how much worse the response would have been had we 10years of corbyn misrule. The coffers would have been empty, the magic money tree shaken to death and crisis management would have been the stuff of nightmares. Labours election manifesto was so lacking in credibility it sent their own supporters away in droves yet you seem to think the tory government is incompetant.
If the tories are incompetant what word adaquately describes Labour?
The party itself is in crisis(so bad even the Guardian is afraid to comment)how on earth could it deal with an external crisis simultaneously?
You also seem to forget the only surefire cure for the virus is not to get it. The death rate from it is what it is - all government can do is try to keep the rate of spread to manageable levels in order hospitals are not overwhelmed. Thus far it would seem to have worked.
The total deaths reported in Italy Spain and France are higher than the UK thus far. But the raw figures are raw and likely not directly comparable. Fully 25% of UK deaths are in London, a huge metropolis with the biggest airport in Europe handling in 2018 80 million passengers. The miracle is that the figures are not significantly higher in London. The great God of globalism not only brought the virus to our shores but largely offshored the means of combating it.
I am still not entirely onboard with the view the virus was a chance interspecies transfer in a wet market, especially with a insecure biohhazard reaseach lab at the end of the road in the same town. Was not Fort derrick in the States shut last year for breaching biosecurity protocols?
You should really be praising the work of the governnment because even you lefties in your   heart of hearts recognise that with Corbyn   at the helm catastrophe   would not even beginn to describe the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 04:48 PM

While I do not fathom the small c conservatism of pfr the rest of his unique and entertaining arguments hold water better than the usual gang of stuff shirts..

I suppose that makes me cynical and mistrusting too. It is a wise way to go.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 02:02 PM

Iains - blah blah Labour.. blah blah Corbyn.. blah blah blah....

..any thing to distract from tory Govt covid response f@ckups...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:57 PM

Worky - As cynical and mistrusting as I am..

Belive me, I am so glad my old mum is still being kept independently living
in her own council house home,
by a team of brilliant local carers...

A Care Home place wasn't even considered as an option..
..probably because there weren't any rooms vacant..

There will be now though.. loads of 'em...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:52 PM

Pfr    If only others were so easily amused!
Mean while I get my amusement from McDonnell the former shadow chancellor who said, “the recent leaked report has demonstrated just what we were up against. Even for me, even though we knew there was undermining taking place, even to me it’s pretty staggering”, claiming to have been ‘staggered’ at the “language used, the bullying, the racism and sexism”.

McDonnell drove the wedge between the former and current Labour leadership further, claiming Sir Keir’s response – in the form of an investigation into how the document was leaked – does not go far enough, and arguing the main focus of any investigation “has got to be the substance of the report and the way in which people were abused and the undermining of the Jeremy Corbyn campaign to win that election in 2017.”
and even better from Corbyn who claims that but for the PLP coup attempt he could have won…

“We were within a whisker of winning that general election. And had the party been more united than we had been in 2016, I’m absolutely confident we could have won that general election, because it was all absolutely going our way and our manifesto was very much in tune with the way people were feeling.”
Yes Jeremy. drink your cocoa and go to bed.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:41 PM

pfr - i'm not suggesting for a moment that the situation isn't awful and scary. just pointing out there may be a few hopeful signs -nobody has to look for them if they don't want to

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:20 PM

But the care sector has got a badge, so that's ok.

(Actually a badge announced a few weeks back, but who is counting?)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:20 PM

Iains - "so go plough another furrow"

that's begging for a "Carry On" style smart arse comeback..

Not as brilliant a feed line as your small c..., or Boy Scout uniform,
but at least it shows promise for the rest of this evenings chuckle fest...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:14 PM

Worky - hopeful...???

hmmm.. ok.. now that enough old folk's have died uncounted and reported in care homes,
and in their own homes..

Our caring Govt has promised to get around to testing in care homes,
some time in the future.. obviously not now..
.. very complicated science and red tape reasons..
but eventually.. they will get round to it.. really.. when the time is right.. they just said so..
.. honestly, they swear it..

Probably when hardly any old folks are still left alive,
so the testing won't cost too much...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 01:13 PM

Yes, I was, Pete. I said a while back that there seemed to be a swing away from the callous disregard for people and nature that marks right wing politics. I hope it is true.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 12:55 PM

anybody interested in a few hopeful signs - even as just a wee distraction from the more important squabbling business?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 12:50 PM

pfr I have not the slightest interest in your opinion, so go plough another furrow!.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:50 AM

Nigel - you should be happier now Iains has correctly realised the difference between libel and slander...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:48 AM

Iains - you are being very boring..

Surely you've enough time on your hands
to find some other more amusing things to argue about with us...???

If you are so offended at being labeled a racist,
it might help if you were not so actively supportive of other folks
promoting thinly disguised racist agendas..

..just a thought...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:29 AM

Jimmie you made the libellous statement that I was racist. This really is very simple. You made the allegation so you need to provide proper documetary evidence by way of my post/s in their entirety in order tosubstantiate it or withdraw the accusation and apologize. Are you man or mouse?
I have challenged you repearedly to justify the labels you put on people youhave yet to make any rational attempt to respond. Can you actually understand whatI am writing or do I need to use simpler speech.

All you have demonstrated so far is that you are a malicious troublemake spoiling for a fight. Prove me wrong

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:28 AM

Something I've noticed in recent weeks/months.

Poster 1. You said such and such.
Poster 2. No I didn't
Poster 1. yes you did.
Poster 2. prove it
Poster 1. I can't be arsed
Poster 2. There! I didn't say it.
Poster 1. Yes you did
Poster 2. Show me the post
Poster 1. There you are
Poster 2. ……………….. silence

We used to have a poster who enjoyed this trick time and again.

You silly buggers (and one in particular) keep falling for it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:28 AM

what about the effete?

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:21 AM

Oxymorons...Who needs 'em...

What's the point of hypothetical questions...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 11:19 AM

Jim - something you might like on BBC catchup..

The Falkirk Cowboys

12 days left to watch.

I'm half way through watching, and it needs to be shared..

Working class self-educated and funded creativity back in it's heyday...

"Nearly 50 years ago, in the unlikely setting of the British Aluminium plant in Falkirk, a group of around 20 workers put aside 15p a week from their wages to fund their other lives as film-makers. The Falkirk Cowboys tells the story of those men, their town and the impact of the films they made.

This posse of factory-working movie-makers called themselves the BA Cowboys. They were led by a fork lift driver-turned amateur film director called Rab Harvey, whose love of Westerns proved so infectious that he corralled enough co-workers together to make a series of increasingly ambitious amateur films.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:46 AM

Steve - the inner Sid James and "Carry On" Team in me
is still chuckling over...

"Well I am conservative with a very small c..."

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: peteglasgow
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:39 AM

i've just been watching the anti-racist poem film going about, jacinda aherne's performance and the el salvador president's speech about his country's response to the corona virus emergency. i can feel that old familiar feeling of hope rising.....maybe the tide is turning and people will begin to respond to more humane, intelligent and positive leaders. we don't have to keep crashing on with the neo-liberal disaster capitalism model for ever.....maybe this emergency will help us to see sense - really 'the only weapon we have against the pandemic is solidarity' Nayib Bukele. well, i feel naive being hopeful - it's the hope that kills, of course and has done so many times. but what do we have if we don't have any hope for a better world?

many apologies for my ineptitude, could someone please post links to the above (i don't have any hope my technology skills will improve)

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:20 AM

Oxymorons...Who needs 'em...

Tory voters have supported the reelection of a government they KNEW had been deliberately running down the health service for ten long years. People are dying in droves because they are being looked after by largely untested people who lack basic safety equipment. Tories don't give a damn about ordinary people until something big like this comes back to bite them. I don't hear too many of them saying sorry, and I don't mean the Priti way of saying sorry either.

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 10:00 AM

I'm awake now right wingers..

Habitually abusive or pedantic deniers, deflectors and distractors beware...

I will have my fun with you..

However I'm always ready to debate respectfully with any sensible fairer minded conservatives
who join in this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 08:28 AM

A burly priest spots a young novice sitting on a convent bench, roughly throws his arm around her, lowers her to the ground and seduces her
"What am I going to tell the Mother Superior when I tell her I have been seduced twice?" she aske, when he has finished
"I only seduced you onece" he said
"Are you in a hurry ?" she asked
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 08:25 AM

The Government has now admitted that care homes have been neglected and that will be rectified -sadly shutting the stable door loudly for far too many victims
Cant see why anybody should want to close this thread - this is a constantly changing situation and need making into a perma-thread in my opinion
We can deal with the problems either by swatting them or ignoring them
Closed threads are scalps on some belts - probably win a bonus for some
Jim