Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Apr 20 - 02:24 AM Maybe he has a swede tooth? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:48 PM Workingtonman: I'm watching your posts. That's another 'turnip for the books' ;) |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:13 PM turnip |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Raggytash Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:07 PM Thank you Guys, I think TURNIP is a great name for him!! Put a smile on my face, keep it up please!! |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 02:05 PM It must be a sad affliction trying to converse with turnips. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:49 PM hey, turnip - that is really the question everyone is asking. jeremy who? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: punkfolkrocker Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:38 PM Boris celebrated his release from intensive care with a slap up Indian takeaway. Unfortunately he gulped it down far too greedily, choked on a chilli.. then gasping for breath, fell into a korma... So what.. he survived.. normal piss taking service resumes as usual...!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:35 PM Johnson's early inactivity and bluster has cost thousands of lives. Neither Corbyn not Starker had anything to do with that. What they have, have not or might have done is irrelevant. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:30 PM A No 10 spokesman: “The Prime Minister has been able to do short walks, between periods of rest, as part of the care he is receiving to aid his recovery. He has spoken to his doctors and thanks the whole clinical team for the incredible care he has received. His thoughts are with those affected by this terrible disease.” I wondwer how much Starmer can do with the hardline corbintes plotting and conniving in the background? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:29 PM evening, turnip |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:27 PM I have done as everybody knows including you Iains One of your truely high moments Jim meaningless words. No proof offered. No surprise there! As usual, when challenged to support your wild allegations, you cannot. Disgraceful behaviour. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:23 PM Oh, what a surprise. WAV blames immigration and links one of his old poems. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 10 Apr 20 - 01:18 PM Sadly, things were bound to be relatively bad in England re coronavirus covid19 due to our diverse & dense population from mass economic/CAPITALIST immigration; my #poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, on "Congestion" |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 12:12 PM "It really isn't worth it." I'm feeling charitable Dave - we're in lock-down and smoene has to talk to him :-) Finished trying - I've done what needed doing JIm |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Apr 20 - 11:24 AM Jim, you should know better. It really isn't worth it. WAV. Your comment about nurses has nothing to do with UK politics so I will not discuss it here but maybe those nurses you are trying to demonize have already had the virus. Besides those couple of little hiccups and some earlier shenanigans I must say that this thread has been reasonably civil. I suspect it has been kept on track by the fact that a moderator is actively watching it. Thanks Barb'ry :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 10:21 AM "unless Jim can offer evidence to the contrary of course! " I have done as everybody knows including you Iains One of your truely high moments Jim |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 10 Apr 20 - 10:19 AM Some of us have to say it - I swear I saw nurses without masks, within 2 metres of each other, away from their patients, applauding at 8 pm yesterday...allowing for some boost in morale, is this really a good ritual? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:53 AM Not quite as bad as those who wanted to Jail Corbyn for suggesting that vacant property should be requisitioned to house survivors of the Gresham fire Just another' once upon a time' fairy tale. unless Jim can offer evidence to the contrary of course! But like any other time he is challenged he will not be able to. Neither will he retract the lie. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:53 AM Keir Starmer’s reshuffle is impressive - the Marxist nutters are out; moderate left are in. When this crisis is eventually over, and politics is resumed, the Tories are going to find that the 5 years when there was no opposition and no alternative has come to an abrupt end |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:37 AM The EU is a gathering of Capitalist States with Capitalist aims - no-one claims it to be altruistic aby more than the British system is Britain has consistently abandoned people to fates created by its own greed and self-interest Strange, that's what I thought many people were claiming when we were trying to leave the group. Now a group of nations come together to protect all in the group you snide at it - you should be ashamed of yourself I didn't make the snide comment, it was implicit in the comment I quoted from the Guardian. I can't see any British leader offering to help anyone else at present - Westminster's attitude to The North of England and Northerner Ireland has been uneven and extremely questionable from day one "Nightingale Hospitals" for London, but also for Birmingham, Sheffield, Manchester, Cardiff, Belfast & Glasgow. No, no inequality there. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 09:14 AM "He joins a few other lowlife labour supporters." Not quite as bad as those who wanted to Jail Corbyn for suggesting that vacant property should be requisitioned to house survivors of the Gresham fire Expressing a wish and actually proposing action to prevent essential relief I think If Dr Ryan's statement put up by Dave (above) is correct, Johnson's Government has already caused unnecessary deaths and they are likely to cause more yet and he is unlikely to be brought to justice for their neglect A perfectly valid reason for someone to let off harmless steam, I think AN INTERESTING INSIGHT HERE Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 08:19 AM Meanwhile: The assistant chief of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, Steve Hedley said that he would 'throw a party' if Boris Johnson died.(and refuses to back down) He joins a few other lowlife labour supporters. Just as well labour is in the wastelands with attitudes like that. Another example is labour councillor Julie Heselwood who said Boris Johnson's ICU stay was 'a publicity stunt for sympathy to change the narrative' |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 08:15 AM " rubbush " I presume this is an old Scottish custom !! Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 08:13 AM One of the other facts that emerged in last night's QT is that hard on the heels of the US, Britain is the second most unequal country of the planet and it is quite possible that they will both suffer the highest death level before the crisis is over HERE More "nor getting out more by the predictors, no doubt !! Jim |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 07:27 AM "is sufficient to get them to do the decent thing." That is small minded pettiness and you really should know it The EU is a gathering of Capitalist States with Capitalist aims - no-one claims it to be altruistic aby more than the British system is Britain has consistently abandoned people to fates created by its own greed and self-interest Now a group of nations come together to protect all in the group you snide at it - you should be ashamed of yourself I can't see any British leader offering to help anyone else at present - Westminster's attitude to The North of England and Northerner Ireland has been uneven and extremely questionable from day one Shame on you Nigel - you are as bad as..... well, I'm sure you know who I mean - fine display of it above Jim |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: DMcG Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:12 AM By the same logic, we would also be excluded from paying for that relief deal. Swings/Roundabout Indeed we are. Mutual aid schemes are like that. However, its main significance is that, while there has been the same sort of argument there always is in sorting out EU budgets and other financial matters, the predictions of the end of the EU from some quarters of the media are again premature. Which will affect their stance as we leave. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:10 AM From the Guardian article linked earlier about a bail-out: A messy compromise to unlock €500bn (£438bn) of EU support for countries hit hardest by the coronavirus pandemic has been struck after Italy’s prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, warned that the existence of the bloc was at stake. It looks like only a threat to the continuation of the EU is sufficient to get them to do the decent thing. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:04 AM EU strikes €500bn relief deal Not really UK politics, of course, except in so far as it relates to the question of whether the UK should be asking for an extension to the transition in a few months time. We are excluded from the deal itself by virtue of having left in January. By the same logic, we would also be excluded from paying for that relief deal. Swings/Roundabouts |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 06:00 AM It is quite clear from the rubbush he spoke that the scottish laddie has hardly ever made it beyond his own front door. I suspect he obtains his viewpoint entirely from the Guardian. He says we are the most unuequal society- his ignorance is astounding. I suggest he visits a few south African townships with the gated communities over the road. I could point out many many other examples but that would be a waste of my time. I seem to remember reading that Question time ranks 107th in popularity. Could it be the BBC has an agenda? Why else keep the program on prime time? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:48 AM Sadly, many neat well-groomed careful people will suffer coronavirus COVID?19, but Boris Johnson is not one of them &, as with Donald Trump, should not be a world leader. E.g., mask use & production should have been encouraged from the start. http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.com |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:39 AM I watched a magnificent Scotsman - a youngish man who has beaten a drug and alcohol addiction, crown his achievements by beating a bunch of prating and pontificating politicians to a verbal pulp last night on Question Time - what a great PM he would make was the world in anyway sensible He reduced the virus situation human levels by linking its reatment to the vast and growing gap between the haves and have nots, both in terms of catching and coping with the illness - a sharp reminder of what you need to have to survive Beats all the vainly vacuous displays of a knowledge of fantasy tales into a cocked hat too Wish there were more of him allowed to speak publicly in this world of elitism and privilege (wish I'd caught his name and details too) A long discussion of how Ireland will benefit from the pooling of resources that is taking place in the E.U. that Britain left to stand on their own two feet recently, on the radio this morning No doubt The Daily Express will be screaming about how inhuman Europe is not to include the now freed G.B. in their plans Jim Caarroll |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 10 Apr 20 - 05:12 AM The tardy bickering response of the EU to the covid-19 calamity will likely destroy 'the great work'. One euro to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of eunnacy where the Shadows lie |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: DMcG Date: 10 Apr 20 - 03:24 AM EU strikes €500bn relief deal Not really UK politics, of course, except in so far as it relates to the question of whether the UK should be asking for an extension to the transition in a few months time. We are excluded from the deal itself by virtue of having left in January. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Apr 20 - 07:19 PM Good news indeed. I'm almost back to the point at which I can go back to hating the useless bastard to pieces. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Raggytash Date: 09 Apr 20 - 02:33 PM I'm am pleased that a victim of this Virus is seemingly recovering from it. It is good news. I can only hope that having received the care from the dedicated medical staff he will understand just how important the NHS is to the rest of us and ensure it has the necessary funding in the future. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 09 Apr 20 - 02:29 PM BORIS JOHNSON has been moved out of intensive care as the Prime Minister continues to battle coronavirus. Very good news. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: The Sandman Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:49 PM yes a relative mine will now be out of a job |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:29 PM Just seen that Debenhams has collapsed in Ireland - the shape of things to come Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: punkfolkrocker Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:09 PM ring a ring a tories a pocket full of excuses an issue, an issue, they all look down... |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Apr 20 - 01:04 PM I’ve learned the art of issue-avoidance from you, Nigs, and sundry other Rightys. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 09 Apr 20 - 12:38 PM BWM I notice you do not dispute the facts though! |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 09 Apr 20 - 11:45 AM i don't think anyone is really that bothered about brexit just now - it just seems weird that we spent such a long time bitching about it. i always felt the important thing was to get rid of the tories as they were increasingly not bothered about looking after the interests of ordinary citizens - same is true today but of course we are now facing far more important questions |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Apr 20 - 10:45 AM ‘Exercutive’? Executive. ‘Finnancial’? Financial. ‘Independant’? Independent. ‘Seperate’? Separate. There appears to be something of a dearth of that ‘important attention to detail’ you were proudly crowing about being so careful over recently. Apologies to everyone else for lowering my standards and lapsing into Nigelism. But no apologies to Iains, of course. ;-) ;-) |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 09 Apr 20 - 09:57 AM Europe is made up of separate and totally independent states - talking about "Europe having an ambition" is bizarre to say the least - a creature with a single aim Utter nonsense EU law applies to all member states EU legislation applies to all member states A common currencty applies to all member states, apart from those sensible enough to opt out. The EU has: Exercutive Legislative Judicial Finnancial control over its member states. To try to say the states are independant and seperate is risible. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 09 Apr 20 - 06:56 AM a friend of ours died a couple of weeks ago. apparently they were not able to put him on a ventilator as if they had he would not have been able to come off it. it's not the best thing for everyone apparently and he died very quickly, despite being a very fit and lively man (though he was 81) seems to me there are 2 narratives going on at the moment - while the overwhelming majority of folk are saying that we must use this shock to make fundamental changes to the way we do things (particularly with respect to public services) However, there is still a refusal to accept this idea with our government who are cracking on with HS2, bonus and shareholders payouts, Brexit - and pay rises for MPs - as if they are assuming they can just carry on after a few weeks while maintaining the systems and privileges they and their friends currently enjoy. it won't be long before the battle resumes between tories and the forelock-tuggers and more progressive, equality-based people will be resumed. this time it will be critical as the future direction of our countries will be at stake. way more important than the old tory/labour squabbling. we live in interesting times eh? |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Apr 20 - 06:37 AM MPs given an extra £10,000 to work from home I am gobsmacked but no longer surprised at the contempt that this lot treat others with. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Apr 20 - 06:31 AM Nigel. Which part of "A very moving personal view" did you have problems with? It was my opening statement. Nowhere do I say it is anything other than that. It does add to the discussion as it reflects the depth of feeling people have. |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Apr 20 - 04:10 AM So, Nigel, you're seriously suggesting that I shouldn't bet my life that a ventilator was/is instantly available for Boris should the need arise... |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Apr 20 - 03:59 AM Europe is made up of separate and totally independent states - talking about "Europe having an ambition" is bizarre to say the least - a creature with a single aim Utter nonsense There has been no move to federate - it may well be the wish of some, but until the members discuss and propose the idea, that's all it will ever be This is one of the big lies that brought about this insane leap in the dark On the other hand, if Britain wishes to trade with countries like America (in particular) they will only be allowed to do so if they are able to stay in Trump the Dump's good books - anybody wish to dispute that !!! That all free nations should ne so "independent' "Birthright and mess of pottage" springs to mind Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 09 Apr 20 - 03:33 AM The EU has the clearly stated ambbition of achieving federalisation. One of the many reasons for leaving and regaining sovereignty. Many here denied that, Glad to see reality has finally penetrated for some. If the desire is to centralise then come the crisis leadership is expected. Abject failure is all I see, even to the extent of hijacking each others safety gear. We are lucky we have left, the subsequent bills will be horrendous |