BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:16 PM

And what a bloody stupid post, Jeri. A post that actually makes you a troll.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:14 PM

Er, what mod-bashing? Either you will allow reasonable and measured comment or you will be seen as acting incredibly defensively. You mods allow an incredible amount of member-bashing from Iains. You don't control this vicious troll who's abusing us daily yet you cut up rough if we so much as question what you're doing (or not doing, more like). Do what you like, Barb'ry. But it's increasingly looking like you've been told to follow the party line. And none of this unpleasantness would be happening had we Brits not been ghettoised, a situation made all the worse by unwelcome negative input from a US mod who has form when it comes to Brit-bashing... You mods are breeding resentment. And it's by far not the only clumsy move you've ever made...


Grrr...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:08 PM

Know what, Mossback, you and the other trolls in here need to go find somebody else's forum to fuck up.

(Still not as rude as you guys.)

And PFR, has it ever dawned on you that you're holding your UK-centric brawl in a USA-based forum? Why? What ever made you think that was an acceptable thing for you to do?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:46 PM

Barb'ry - one simple strategy would be for you to politely remind non British mudcatters
how unhelpful it is if they persist in entering our ghetto,
just to have snide digs at us..

[..and other mods might try harder to remember this is now your jurisdiction..]

Your green messages are a very welcome sign that you are still willing
to communicate with us as mature equals..
I genuinely welcome that,
and will co-operate as best I can..

No problem if you ever need to tell me off,
we respect firm but fair modding..

Hopefully you don't end up as jaded as other mods might occasionally appear to be..

Now let's start fresh on the new thread...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Mossback
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:59 PM

Barb, you were the last person I'd have thought would adopt "I'm taking my ball & going home" approach.

I'm not "bashing" a mod or necessarily "asking for people to be removed"

only hoping for someone to accept the reality of what is going on here.

Of course, in Trump's AmeriKKKa, reality is in short supply.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Barb'ry
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:25 PM


Joe plus other mods tell me it is mudcat policy not to allow arguments against mod actions mainly because we can't defend or explain ourselves - we have to stay as neutral as possible. If you are desperate you can pm me.

I'm going to close this thread once you've had the chance to read this and open another one but posts that are mod bashing or asking for people to be removed will be deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:25 PM

Well said, Bill. Poor Iains...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:17 PM

ticketyboo

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Mossback
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 06:00 PM

the reason for all the trolling in here, and the fact we keep attracting trolls is that You People love them.
No, Jeri, the actual fact is that you & the other mods (not ALL of them) refuse to recognize the troll turds in the bowl for what they are and flush the toilet.

Don't put this on us, thank you very much.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:58 PM

Iains - you once came up with an explanation [which I forget now],
how your mudcat account suddenly sprang back to life
after several years dormant..

..so very shortly after tezza got the boot...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:47 PM

Well best I do not give a description of you shaw, it might incinerate the ether. Butyou know what I think of you, so little point in repeating it. Teribus had the measure of you, as did poor Keith. and I recall no compliments heading your way from either. Can all three of us be wrong?
I suspect not. Teribus constantly pointed out the error of your ways and is a damm fine singer to boot. How's the prosecco going down? Have you reached the bottom of the vat yet?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:37 PM

.....Your way has failed, and you’re demonstrating the truth of Einstein’s Theory of Insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:33 PM

No Steve, I’m suggesting a way to demonstrate to a group of disbelieving Mods who the true culprit is. I’m on your side, and I’m long enough in the tooth, and sufficiently experienced in managing large groups of adults, to know that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

Your way has failed.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:28 PM

Iains is a horrid, nasty piece of work, probably a right-wing plant. He causes almost all the trouble here. So you should be lobbying to get him out. Instead, you persist in blaming us...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:18 PM

“You yourself engaged Iains for quite a while...”

Indeed I did. But, unlike others, I studied his MO, watched the results of others’ interactions with him, and learned from experience. What was it Einstein said about insanity - something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 05:08 PM

Pfr doesn't agree with you, BWM, and, much as I wouldn't adopt his approach myself, he's entitled to do what he does and he's fairly skilful at it. Jim doesn't agree either, and that's a tough nut for some of us who generally share Jim's politics and outlook and who admire his musical knowledge but who can see the effect he has on the troll. On top of all that, we are at the end of the day a bunch of flawed and passionate human beings. The three US moderators love to see the struggle we have with him, because they don't like us Brits one little bit and, to them, their enemy's enemy is their friend. They showed that they have it in their power to get shut of trolls. They got shut of Teribus, who was a lot less obnoxious than Iains, and they got rid of akenaton because he offended the feminist tendency here. You yourself engaged Iains for quite a while, even thinking that he was actually Teribus reincarnated. Yeah, we're human and we do things that a Mr Spock wouldn't have done. But I rather like being a flawed human. And on any other website I've been on, the mods would have sacked Iains years ago. I'm not going to take the blame for his bad behaviour. In effect, we don't have moderation here. And in criticising us, you're falling into the same victim-blaming trap that the mods so relish. Respect.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:54 PM

EDIT to my previous post...

Whilst I don’t disagree with you Steve, the simple, straightforward answer is for you, pfr, JIm, and all the others who keep wading in, to get a grip on the OCD you all seem to suffer from, and ignore him.

His sole purpose is to provoke and draw attention to his Right-Wing Extremist propaganda, and he can’t stand being ignored. If you don’t respond to him, his posts will become wilder and more extreme. By not responding, you will deny people like Jeri and other anti-UK, anti-Left Mods the opportunity to victim-blame or claim that you are the aggressors, because you won’t appear as victims, nor as aggressors. Then they will have no option but to acknowledge who the real aggressor is.

For intelligent people, you bunch really are pretty dozy sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:49 PM

Whilst I don’t disagree with you Steve, the simple, straightforward answer is for you, pfr, JIm, and all the others who keep wading in, to get a grip on the OCD you all seem to suffer from, and ignore him.

If you don’t respond to him, his posts will become wilder and more extreme. By not responding, you will deny people like Jeri and other anti-UK, anti-Left Mods the opportunity to victim-blame or claim that you are the aggressors, because you won’t appear as victims, nor as aggressors. Then they will have no option but to acknowledge who the real aggressor is.

For intelligent people, you bunch really are pretty dozy sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:34 PM

"Admit that the reason for all the trolling in here, and the fact we keep attracting trolls is that You People love them."

"You People." As ever, a failure of nerve when it comes to naming names. Not even "Usual Suspects." As ever, you wade in with your negativity and you get it all wrong. pfr engages Iains skilfully and manfully and gets nowhere. Credit for trying. Apart from the odd wacky right-winger, I can probably say with confidence that we mostly hate Iains' guts and several of us have been campaigning for years to get him thrown out. That's how much we "love" him. The truth is that you mods are the ones who love him. You love to see us wallowing so that you can do your victim-blaming, which is precisely what you've just done, and it suits you down to the ground that those who do the wallowing are exclusively Brits. You hate Brits, which is why you've ghettoed us into one thread, and even then you can't keep out. It's a path of least resistance, innit, Jeri? Far easier than doing what good mods do, which is troll control...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 04:02 PM

"correction", editing buggered up with a double negative..

please read, the less convoluted..

"...except.. you want us to accept you innocently believe a reference
to a big fat lumbering African beast is absolutely not racist.."

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:58 PM

...except.. you want us to accept you innocently don't recognise a reference
to a big fat lumbering African beast is absolutely not racist..

while plenty on your side absolutely know it is when they use it as a deliberately hateful insult...

.. pull the other one...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:46 PM

Laughing about a rich over privileged white man allegedly abusing a dead pig,
might be some obscure 'fetishism',

[just another bizarre tory peccadillo..]

but it definitely aint racism..
Quite so!
and referring to a person who is not too clever checking figures before spouting off and is seriously overweight can legitimately be called an abbacus and/or abbopotomus, but it definitely ain't racism
!
That is a figment of someone's imagination desperately looking to find anything to be affronted by - A woke wally in fact.
(It must be said of course that Labour is never good with figures because it is always some other poor unfortunate's money they are squandering)
Anyway I am getting bored with this. Jim is never going to quote my exact words to try to make his point because they do not exist. He would argue black was white if it served his purpose, or even imagine colours.(as in this case).

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:19 PM

Laughing about a rich over privileged white man allegedly abusing a dead pig,
might be some obscure 'fetishism',

[just another bizarre tory peccadillo..]

but it definitely aint racism..

Which is rather more frowned upon by civilised society...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 03:03 PM

Pfr it is only you lefties make an issue of the MP Diane Abbot being a person of colour. I have not ever mentioned it."
For **** sake

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains - PM
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:27 AM
Oh Dear. A member of the public is not too impressed with abbopotomus.

Can we please leave our own home-grown PINNOCHIO to stew in his own juice before he manages to close another thread ?
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:51 PM

what's a boonie?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:45 PM

Pfr it is only you lefties make an issue of the MP Diane Abbot being a person of colour. I have not ever mentioned it. I can make an issue of the Abbacus because she has publicly got her figures entirely wrong on several occasions, and she is undeniably severely overweight. Again the question of colour of a hippo was introduced by the left in a pathetic woking exercise.
You lefties, however, made a great issue of the PM Cameron allegedly doing unspeakable things to a pigs head. You ran with it for years despite not having a scintilla of truth backing up the allegation. Very naughty of you. You feel you can insult politicians with gay abandon, This is fair comment on a political thread but it is a bit rich when you all act so precious when the compliment is returned to Corbyn and his latter day clowns. You guys are hilarious, you would not last a week working in the boonies, you might flake your nail polish.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:19 PM

You know, there was a nasty racist thread deleted earlier. I notice it got 18 replies, all from people who claimed they *thought* it shouldn't be there.

People can't really be that stupid, can they. "This thread should exist, so I'll post to it just to keep it alive."

Admit that the reason for all the trolling in here, and the fact we keep attracting trolls is that You People love them. What would you be posting about if you couldn't engage in a bloodless, painless bar fight?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 02:01 PM

Jim - He's got us going...???

.. t'other way round I'd say...!!!


Yeah leave him stewing..

Which is exactly what my dinner is doing,
but towards a more palatable result...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:47 PM

He's got us going again
Leave him to wallow please
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:35 PM

Tweets in response to the survey. I do not care if you believe it or not. The analysis exists, well known people have commented. Your opinion is of zero significsnce


Nick Robinson
@bbcnickrobinson
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@DouglasCarswell
and
@DanielJHannan
You’re right. We won’t. Not least because that’s not what the study says. Infact it says the opposite ie the fall in concern “has been taking place since well before the 2016 vote – disputing the idea that the Brexit vote has any causal connection ...”1/2
Andrew Lilico
@andrew_lilico
·
22 Apr
I'm sorry but in that graph it's quite clear that there's a collapse in concern after 2016. It might well be extending a pre-existing trend that pre-dated 2016 (possibly from when the referendum was announced in 2013), but there's definitely a huge drop after 2016.
Replies
Douglas Carswell
@DouglasCarswell
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@andrew_lilico
,
@bbcnickrobinson
and
@DanielJHannan
You’d have thought it at least merited some doubt about the researcher’s interpretation of the data, given what the data actually shows. But not for Nick. This is why our commentariat are so serially wrong. Inductivism masquerading as empiricism.
Stefan Reynolds
@StefanReynolds
·
22 Apr
Replying to
@andrew_lilico
,
@bbcnickrobinson
and 2 others
It’s so obvious! But not to the BBC as it fails to agree with their inbuilt bias. As usual...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:24 PM

no, ian - it was you.

that is why i asked you about it
Oh goody goody Another one wants to join the put up or shut up club.
I think an apology is required from you for both a lie and an unfounded slur and insult

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:22 PM

St Georges Day.. a cherry picked analyst named "English",
and he's supposedly exonerating Brexit xenophobes...

You're having a laugh...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:15 PM

Elections analyst Patrick English compiled data from across the British Election Study, the British Social Attitudes survey, the European Social Survey, European Values Study, and World Values Study. From 2016 to today, Britain has seen the biggest fall in hostility towards immigration since records began. Hostility actually peaked near the end of the Labour Administration then declined, and fell off a cliff post the brexit referendum.
This rather contradicts the received "wisdom" constantly posted by the left on this forum. Do you take humble pie neat or with lashings of custard?

Full details from the font of truth Guido.

He also has an interesting article on a sad old back bencher name of Corbyn who not only disregards social distancing but also breaks the over 70s lock in by attending Parliament. Tsk, Tsk!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:14 PM

Jim - well.. trouble is..

I made a mistake, and owning up to mistakes is ingrained in my personality...

Yes, I now do recall I have seen Iains being insulting to women..

Diane Abbott.. a black women at that...


oh dear iains..
that don't look too good for your protests
at implications of you being racist..

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:09 PM

no, ian - it was you. that is why i asked you about it

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:05 PM

Just replied - or thought I had
I ave linked him to what he said
No neesd fro implication - he is an anti-Irish racist and I havent even bothered with the "slave owning dirty thieving Travelling community" yet
I think that's checkmate - leave it there PFR
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 01:05 PM

what was that just open and closed thread in a false name and on a racist theme about then, iain's?
You seem to kmnow all about it.Was it you?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:45 PM

Iains - So you habitually flagrantly contravene all of those edicts
you just quoted,
but only take exception to being called the "R" word...

Ok..

I can't say I've ever seen you denigrate women in any of the few BS threads I follow,
if that's any consolation...

But you do have actively supported known racists..
which could be seen as a bit iffy...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:40 PM

apologies for the errant greengrocer's apostrophe

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:37 PM

what was that just open and closed thread in a false name and on a racist theme about then, iain's?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 12:27 PM

The key to peace and tranquility is quite simple: For any with the attention span of a squashed gnat I will repeat the opening post:
No personal insults
No dragging up the same points again and again and again
Stay as polite as you can be...
Respect each other, even if your political opinions differ.
No racism, sexism or other isms
Simples! Do not say or even imply I am a racist and I will not have to defend myself. It is that easy!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:27 AM

19 Apr 20 - 04:05 PM (Irish homeless thread

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:27 AM

"and shaw[sic] you are no longer in a classroom and I am not one of your unfortunare[sic]pupils.[sic]And as you remind us ad nauseum [sic] it ain't your gig."

Hmmm. Shame really. I could have done wonders for your spelling, grammar and punctuation.

Sorry, John. Smackie Botty. Couldn't resist. I won't do it again! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:26 AM

Iains - dredging the bottom of your shitpit of

'wind up Jim, to set him loose to get himself suspended'

tactics now by resorting to the "J" word...

Some mudcatters seem to have the misconception that I'll defend your right to be a malevolent disrupter..

Wrong - if it was a choice of having one of two constantly fighting dogs put down,
I'd always choose Jim to be saved from being destroyed by a vet...

Just because I am against the 'principle' of banning,
don't mean I can't make exceptions for the sake of the peaceful life of a community....
Remenber I'm a pragmatist..

[to the tune of "Remember I'm a Womble"...]

If a mod asked me "decide on banning either Iains or Jim"...

For me, It's a quick easy obvious choice - You...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 10:24 AM

Blow in In small rural Irish villages the term 'blow-in' is often used to classify anyone not born in the immediate surrounding locality. In other words a blow-in is a person who has relocated to an area, who has no roots there
I have given you this definition before. Your woke is distinctly wonky.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:25 AM

The problem with uniting is that some of the medical workers on the virus front-line are the most vocal critics of the Government
It's hardly fair to ask them to unite behind a policy that is putting them at risk daily
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 08:13 AM

In these days of pandemic, there is a common enemy that should unite both sides

I agree there is a lot of unhelpful argument. But in fighting the common virus, it is perfectly legitimate for the left to be pointing out how far below the 100,000 promised tests we are and to refuse have the narrative changed to be about the capacity to test rather than the number of tests carried out. If that spurs the government on to do more things like the 'pop-up' test centres that is a good thing.

I think we need to hear rather more what these pop-up testing centres are, and how many of them there are.   I would be looking to see sufficient of them so that every hospital has one in the car park at least once a week, so the NHS staff can be tested weekly. Two or three pop ups for the whole country would be simply PR, but enough to carry out weekly testing of all NHS staff is a minimum moves beyond PR into something worth while. Once than minimum has been reached we should aim to test all NHS and care home workers in short order: if the end of April is the NHS, then before the end of May for all NHS and care homes, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:28 AM

liberals will be backing the tories as usual - especially now there is a gap in the tory party where the slightly more sensible ones used to belong.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:23 AM

So much fighting! Left against right - right against left. In these days of pandemic, there is a common enemy that should unite both sides.

So ........

What is the the Lib Dem position on the current situation?


DC

don't throw things at me ... please .....pretty please!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics. Moderated thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Apr 20 - 07:01 AM

Any more popcorn, anyone?