BS: Murder by USAian police

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:22 PM

Stilly - I'm from south west England,not too far from Glastonbury..

What you Americans call Antifa,
is so close to the diverse radical hippy punk student youth culture we grew up with since the 1970s..

To a large extent, that's what I still am...

But just a bit too old, fat, lazy, and responsible,
to ever have been bothered with the negative stupidities of rioting...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:05 PM

the obvious irony of trump's hostility to anti fascists...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 12:03 PM

If you look them up, anti-fascists (antifa) would most likely align, in their non-aligned way, with Black Lives Matter. The fact that white men are out there doing damage trying to ramp up the pressure on the BLM protesters tends to show their antecedents as White Supremacists and other anarchists. Months from now sharp reporters will piece together the social media messages, but for now, they seem to be achieving what they set out to do. And Trump offers mis-direction by calling them antifa.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:57 AM

this is a scenario where it's far too easy for white n@zis to dress up as antifa
to ignite arson and violent disorder...

Trump knows this...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:52 AM

Many arrests in Dallas last night, and someone firebombed the courthouse in Fort Worth. This isn't "protests," this is something else. Sorting the looters from the protesters, and the white supremacists from the rest, it is a challenge.

Trump is entering the fireworks stand with a lit match, claiming he wants to treat the protesters with long prison sentences. . . what could possibly go wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:49 AM

Antiquaited adj. and noun
Definition: The use of antique phrases, expressions or extinct technology.
"Phrenology is an 'antiquaited' pseudo science'"

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:42 AM

Trouble is, trump supporters would not recognise the satire,
and queue to buy it as a poster...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:41 AM

Any photoshoppers already posted trump posing in front of the church,
bible high in one hand, AR-15 at ready in the other...???

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 11:25 AM

Mossback, you're exposing Democratic institutional 'excuses' and will get you disinvited to appear on MSNBC.

Playing it safe in the most dangerous times is foolish imo.
The middle of the road is exactly where people get struck and killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 09:55 AM

Nice neologism! Stealing "antiquainted" (I might footnote).

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 09:25 AM

Sorry, Joe, but the "few bad apples" defense/excuse for U.S. institutional racism is bullshit.

And the "its a management problem" excuse is as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:54 AM

Can Biden inspire a passion and excitment from young voters or capture the imagination of the black community? Joe used to be a hugger but that is also antiquainted and dangerous now.
We could become victims of own compromises.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:15 AM

As Trump is failing to demonize black people as thugs and domestic terrorists who must be eradicated by the military, we have had our reverse krystalnacht.
FOX news is doing their best but their heart just isn't in it.
The adminstration screams "we must dominate the battlespace"
"WE WILL put them in jail for ten years and never see them again".

This show of strength by the President is really happening like a top down civil war. This is not clever rhetoric or a spoof.

Hitler had a global depression to motivate the masses that radical change was required. The USA has record unemployment now.

Yet there are some who muse it can't happen here.
But we have different desperation, scapegoats real and imagined, bully police in the streets and white suprmecists feeling more clever and successful and protected. However unlike any America president since world war 2, Trump has never achieved a 50% vote or popularity, yet we are nearing military rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:40 AM

WWW DOT COM?
Winning White Winners - Dream of Trump - Commanding our Mission
or maybe Right Supremecists

MAGA is getting out of date as the clamp down begins.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:33 AM

Rome burns while Nero fiddles?

Fact check, Romans played lyres, but there is still a pun in there anyway.

What worries me, is the old adage "When America sneezes, the world catches a cold" - and in the UK we have some pretty mendacious excrescences of our own. Mind you they are spreading the virus, not fueling fires in cities.

(I typed cites, should have left it at that - maybe)./small>

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 05:17 AM

But what popular movement would he promote after the war had begun, although it had not been the immediate or principal cause?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:23 AM

pfr there comes a point where exhausted dictators want to punish their own country and people. Trump has already criticized select states in chickin shit ways. I think mr T would like to be a civil war president   like Lincoln

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:08 AM

Child molesters become Catholic priests to take advantage of the opportunity to be in power over victims. Brutal sadists become police officers to take similar advantage of the opportunity to be in power. Most priests and most police officers are wonderful, but there are a few among them who are truly evil. It is the duty of Upper Management (i.e., bishops and police chiefs) to root these evil people out and to stop them immediately if they do wrong. Oftentimes, Upper Management has other concerns, and these evil opportunists have free rein. That's what has happened in so many cities in the United States, and the damage done is staggering.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 03:36 AM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.

Threat begets threat. Violence begets violence.

Which is why Trump is so dangerous.

Chickens and roost? Chicken and egg? Chicken and chlorine? Toxic stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 03:01 AM

will trump declare war on, and invade, any US states
that don't bow down to him...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:52 PM

IF
Donnie pulled out his dick and yelled at Nancy Pelosi "SUCK THIS"
The fallout would be "Pelosi ignores Trump's invitation"

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:28 PM

According to a WH source he was embarrassed by coverage of him hiding in the bunker Friday night so he orchestrated this bad piece of reality TV to give people the false impression that he has a pair of cojones. ATTACKING U.S. citizens peacefully exercising their right of free speech, I shudder to think what the fallout of this publicity stunt going to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:11 PM

I liked your version best.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:58 PM

He may not have crossed the Rubicon but a short while ago he did cross Pennsylvania Ave. to stand in front of St. John's Church holding up a bible for a photo op for his 35-40%, after his troops forced peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Park with rubber bullets, flash bangs and brute force. It's now official, we are a banana republic with a tinpot dictator.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:52 PM

By declaring an Insurrection the president may only send the military to states where the govenor has asked the federal government for troops.

Instead of a press conference Trump waddle marched accross the street after mounted police had cleared the street with tear gas and was given a bible that he held up in front of a church sign that said "services online". He stood for pictures for about 3 minutes and tossed the bible to an aid and waddled home.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:00 PM

Great link, thanks Stilly!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 06:30 PM

He can't issue an order to have the Army to attack the demomstrators and or looters due to the Posse Comitas law.
It was forbiden for Julius Ceasar to bring the Roman Legion into the city of Rome by crossing the Rubicon. As you know he did it anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:30 PM

sarcasm alert
Is this the end of the brutal violent web of institutional financial conspiratorial murderous racism? Or is the beggining of non chalant murder by racist cops too lazy to even take their hands out of their pockets and instead just sit on and take a knee on handcuffed victims necks?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:09 PM

re: odd remark
mudelf, for a short time 3 days ago this very thread appeared to 'me' to be gone/removed as well as other remarks about the demonstrations elsewhere. At that time I thought that was a horrid decision.
There are probably other explanations but they are moot now.
Like signs I've seen, "silence is violence".

I keep an eye on white supremecist web sites and they tell you all you need to know about bombs, incindiary devices and inciting race wars at demonstrations. 'boogaloo boys'

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 04:09 PM

Walky's solution to the race problem would be to have never transplanted Africans
to any other regions of the world...???

Not that anti slavery might have been his main motivator...?????

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 03:29 PM

Walkabout, your ignorance is devastating, at least you didn't link to one of your lukewarm racist "poems" about it. One positive takeaway from all this turmoil is that a large percentage of the protesters seem to be white in many cities.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:46 PM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.

There's an entitled response.

The lion's share of the looting is not being generated by the protesters. Protesters are protesting. Looters are looting. They're not the same people. Keep your eye on the ball.

While we're at it, Buzzfeed: We’re Keeping A Running List Of Hoaxes And Misleading Posts About The Nationwide Police Brutality Protests is keeping track of online hoaxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:12 PM

Pointing out the irresponsible stupidity of many hot headed young protesters,
should not be acceptable as a tactic to dismiss and distract from the serious reasons which sparked off the the protests...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Brian May
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 02:06 PM

Good to see Social Distancing and a real risk being ignored to complain about the conduct of another country's police for that doesn't directly affect this country.

Well balanced, intellectual and well considered actions.

Hmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 01:50 PM

These demonstrations have now become world-wide, Londoon being a major joiner-in
Thay have ceased to be just about the murder - now people are demonstrating against Trumps demand that the police use more force against the demonstrators
He sseems now on the point of declaring martial law in Washington
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 01:27 PM

Too many African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" - without knowing what such "whites" believe in; that IS racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: mayomick
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:49 AM

Bill de Blasio's daughter arrested for unlawful assembly while protesting in Manhattan .No comment from Mayor de Blasio    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-de-blasio-daughter-chiara-arrested-manhattan-george-floyd-protests/

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:44 AM

Love the new "Treason Flag" advert by The Lincoln Project!

Go get 'em!!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 08:39 AM

Congratulations mods for not halting speech about George Floyd and endemic institutional racism. How bad is it? Officer Chauvin is the first white policeman charged with killing a black man in Minnesota history.

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What an odd remark. Why would social justice discussion be quashed? ----puzzled mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jun 20 - 07:40 AM

I'm with you, Mr. Red. Also why cops are shooting and arresting news crew members, mostly nonwhite ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 02:02 PM

Bill de Blasio is now blaming the demonstrations on "outside agitators".

Jaysus, NY City is now Mississippi in 1963.


The outside agitators came.
They burned some churches and put the blame,
On decent southern people's names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of ni**ers and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would've told us if we'd done wrong.
             - Tom Paxton

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 20 - 01:55 PM

Demonstrations in 30+ American cities and across the world, inclding London
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 May 20 - 01:27 PM

Sorry to point this out but the death is one thing and is sort of being dealt with.

But the riots are the result of Trump being president. His rhetoric is not just strident, but seditious. How often has he said and gestured shooting on his election rallies?

Threats beget threats, and any trigger can spill over to violence.

J'Accuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 11:51 AM

Sure have come a long way since 1964 in the Mostest Bestest Post-Racial Cuntry On Earth.

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Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 May 20 - 11:08 AM

Language peeve again... In a Slate article. I read this morning and now can't find, the author referred to this death as a lynching. Nonono no no. A lynching is when a) the mob takes the victim *away* from the justice system, not when the members *of* the justice system kill said victim, and b) the victim is *hanged* by said mob.

Mob shoots suspect without trial, not a lynching.

Cops hang suspect without a trial, still not a lynching.

It's like terrorism: armed troops in uniform committing violence on civilians is a war crime, not terrorism. Civilians committing violence on armed uniformed troops is a rebellion, not terrorism.

Using such loaded terms to cover other crimes is merely inflammatory.

Ok, rant off.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 20 - 10:39 AM

What was it MLK said about rioting being ‘The Language of The Unheard’?

He got that right

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:54 AM

I guess there's some sort of "virtue signaling" competition.
In any case, as I heard someone else point out, somewhere, the violence usually doesn't start until the cops show up. Personally, I think I'd want to burn some shit down. I don't like people getting hurt, but it's pretty much been proven that folks won't DO anything until the riots start.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:45 AM

On Saturday, “Liberal Redneck” Trae Crowder posted a lengthy Facebook condemnation of police violence, slamming “out of control” cops and calling for justice.

“I got a question. How come nobody ever talks about how often Black people don’t riot?” said Crowder. “I mean, all the sh*t they put up with every day for generations without rioting? Meanwhile, a bunch of white people’s hockey team loses, they burn it all to the ground? … But you can only push people so far, and apparently, they draw the line at wanton public murder at the hands of the law. And I, for one, am not going to criticize that.”

“As far as I’m concerned, the blame for what is happening in Minneapolis lies solely with the Minneapolis Police,” said Crowder. “To put simply, if you don’t want your town ripped apart by riots, then to paraphrase ’90s Jim Carrey, stop murdering people, assh*le! Shouldn’t be that hard. The rest of us seem to manage.”

Hear, Hear!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 20 - 07:02 AM

DtG - me too! I have a number of friends in Houston TX where I used to spend time each year (former colleagues at my employer‘s Houston office), every one is a Republican, and they are amongst the friendliest, most kind and hospitable people I know - I’ve had some great times in their company, and our political differences have never been an issue on either side.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 20 - 05:51 AM

And it would not surprise me if trump (small t for small willy!!!) was behind it.