BS: Murder by USAian police

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 01:56 AM

Why shoot people at all? They are people for God’s sake, not vermin! He has the intellectual capacity of a gnat.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 20 - 12:12 AM

He is stupid scary. At the southern border he asked why security guards
don't just shoot illegal immigrants in the legs. They actually had to have a doctor explain that wounding the femoral artery is fatal.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:38 PM

Trump is lot the least bit scary. He's a buffoon.

The one-third plus of the U.S. population that still thinks he's great is what's terrifying -

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:15 PM

Who on Earth would ever do such a thing?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 09:02 PM

Interesting program on Fresh Air today:

Why Republican Leaders Back Trump's 'Proto-Authoritarian Cult'

She keeps insisting she's not comparing Trump to Hitler, but the message is clear. What's going to happen now? This guy is scary. Will he leave in November, manipulate himself another Electoral College victory, or just refuse to leave office?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:11 PM

Wow he looks so much ike officer Chauvin.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:52 PM

Brees apologized today

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:36 PM

The perpetuation of Drew Brees type ignorance is willful.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 01:25 PM

Drew Brees is a football player that said Blacks were direspecting the flag by taking a knee etc. He is being defended by claiming much to do with racism is UNCONSCIOUS.

"Disrespecting the flag" is straight out of Donald Trumps mouths*.

*he talks out of both sides

There are lots of stupid white people who are not truly conscious.
Are they really unconscious about choosing to hate?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 12:42 PM

African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" IS also racist.

I think that is called mob rule.
We had something akin in the UK over pedophiles, and vigilantes meted out some rough justice. And it wasn't long before a pediatrician was targeted as a criminal. Vigilantyism receded swiftly thereafter.
Mobs react, they don't think. And agitators know this, and enjoy/are payed to go stirring.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 11:34 AM

That elite group is highly trained to handle immigrants as inhuman.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:32 AM

Apparently trump imported Texas prison guards to defend Lafayette Park. Nothing but the finest for the Bunker Inspector in Chief.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 10:13 AM

Trump has taken a page from Russia using military troops without identifiable uniforms when attcking Ukraine by putting icognito military troops on the streets of DC.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 08:29 AM

I clearly see a battlespace that has to be dominated. Brutal force will be required after all this pandemic stress. Perhaps killing millions of
germs will be the key but I gotta clean the downstairs bathroom at long last.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:55 AM

NPR also reports Floyd had coronavirus.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:43 AM

NPR mentioned Tianenmen Square when talking about this, which shocked and awed me. This is in another thread now (it's June 4th after all).

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 07:25 AM

It is becoming a major issue since Farage and the Tories played the race card for Brexit - the spike in racist incidents has scared even the authorities
I spent my life, from the early Civil Rights days to the Anti Apartheid Movement, George Jackson... fighting for justice somewhere else - now it's coming home to roost here
The use of Populism has let the old 'Empire Superiority' Djinn' out of its bottle big time
Racism never really went away but it was considered an institutional problem when the Stephen Laurence murder hit the headlines, now it's back big-time
The extremely rightist Daily Mail published the results of a survey not so long ago on national racism and came up with the astounding figure of a third to a quarter of those interviewed admitting that held and had expressed racist views
Without pre-empting a thread I am hoping to start, the Anti-Semitism of The Israel Governmet defending its atrocities by making criticism of it's policy "antisemitic" has painted a target on the backs of every Jew on the planet
These are dangerous days
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:55 AM

It is eye opening to see how willing Mudcatters are willing to dicuss racism. The myriad of threads above the line regarding racism is impressive. In America the subject is difficult and in real life whites are reticent to speak about it unless thay are at either end of the spectrum of attitudes.
The demonstrations are a 9 point earthquake in the movement toward sanity. But merely gaining the right not to be murdered when black, is too little at this late date.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 20 - 06:21 AM

That needed to be said

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:39 PM

Sec. Mattis' letter is so eloquent, timely and scathing that it's worth posting here.

In Union There Is Strength

    I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

    When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

    James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.


    Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

    Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

    Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mossback
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:35 PM

At least we haven't been favored with a so-called poem................

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:27 PM

And I don't know why I bother, Walkabout but the protesters are multi-racial (I know that word stands up the hair on the back of you neck) and mostly peaceful when not provoked, and the looters are also multi-racial. Sorry if this contrasts with your lily white fantasies.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 07:14 PM

Jim Mattis finally broke his silence and slammed twitler, and not just for his shabby little stunt Monday night but for the whole of his tenure.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM

Donny - that'll be your Alien Alf..

Not our great much loved / hated Alf, the working class conservative racist..

Who American TV licensed as Archie...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:17 PM

In my last post about the Insurrection Act of 1807 I mentioned reluctance by military to be used for domestic law enforcement. Today, the Secretary of Defense, who up to now had staunchly supported Trump policies, issued this statement: “The National Guard is best suited for performing domestic support to civil authorities in these situations in support of local law enforcement. The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act.” Trump's top aides were not amused. I expect him to be asked for his resignation soon.
If anyone reads this shortly after I post it here's a heads up. President Barrack Obama will be making a public statement shortly if you want turn om a news channel not named Fox.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:12 PM

Alf came fourteen years after Archie Bunker

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 05:03 PM

Archie was the americanised franchise version of our Alf...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 04:51 PM

Jeff Foxworthy is a comedian known for his, “You might be a redneck…” jokes. These are ours;

If you own a confederate flag you might be a racist.
If you combine the words welfare and queen you might be a racist
If you lock your car doors only upon seeing a black person you might..
If you ever shot a black person you might be a racist

“You might be a racist” if you use your power to establish systems, rules, practices, or laws that support your beliefs that people of other races are inferior. Consequently, when you hear the words “systemic racism” it is because racism still persists across systems such as government, insurance, education, finance, criminal justice, etc. In America, white people are the dominant group controlling positions of authority across most systems, so it is technically incorrect to call a person of color a “racist”, because of their position/lack of power to establish/maintain racist practices within systems.

“You might be a bigot” if you are completely intolerant, and devoted to your own opinions and prejudices such that you treat members of other groups with hatred and intolerance.

“You might be prejudiced” if you have a feeling for or against something or someone without any good reason. For example, if you feel that a certain group is inferior or bad because of their religion, gender, race, etc., but you really don’t know anyone from that group or much about them, then you are prejudiced.

“You might discriminate” if you have strong prejudicial or bigoted feelings about an individual or group and treat them unequally or unfairly due to their individual or group membership.

“You might be biased” if you have a preference that keeps you from making a fair judgement. For example, it could be as simple as a bias for vanilla over strawberry ice cream or as harmful as an employer preferring men over women or a realtor preferring white people to people of color.

Archie Bunker, of the 1970’s sitcom “All In the Family,” was openly prejudiced, biased, and generally considered to be a bigot. The show became a “safe place” to spark discussions on a number of race related issues, using humor to “ease” the conversations. Unfortunately, there is no humor in what is happening in the current political climate. As we endure the next 70 or so days, I’m deeply concerned about the post-election environment that is being created in our country by the use of harmful and inflammatory rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:58 PM

No racism is justifiable,
though it is understandable when victimised folks fight back fire with fire..
But that kind of racist response is still wrong..

There will always be collateral damage and injustice in these extreme circumstances...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:25 PM

If we are to discuss racism one should be clear. One should be Honest and one should not call the kettle black and denigrate. was that racist?

Racism must have existed before the Neanderthals. Animals practicing animal racism is unclear to me but I know the ant insect world engages in race wars.
Whites in the US are the racists I know best. A response to white racists by the victims of that racism is not racism. but this is an opinion board.
Don't flog the messenger

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 01:23 PM

Walky - you are wasting your time here.

Stand on your soapbox in the middle of the London demonstrators.

They should gladly listen to you and thank you for your helpful advice...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:53 PM

All lives matter & the Black Lives Matter youth protests are going to cause a lot of I Can't Breathe COVID19 suffering, especially, through transmission, among the elderly; also, African Americans attacking property because it is "owned by whites" IS also racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:31 PM

Is it a single or double decker...???

How many seats, and do you allow standing...???

We'd need a fleet of one way buses...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:26 PM

I'm running a one way bus to Beachy Head, so trump, johnson amd mogg in the front seats - who else??

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 12:10 PM

Its called a die in

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:59 AM

Very moving scenes of huge numbers of protesters lying down in peaceful protest in Ohio
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:58 AM

Sane lawmakers statesmen and officials have tried every legal avenue for removal of a disabled president including the 25th ammendment desiged for such an occurance to no avail pfr.

my cartoon caption of Trump standing in front of the church sign...
"Forgive him Lord for he
does not know what he does...
On second thought LORD
SMITE AWAY !"

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 11:19 AM

Is there a legal requirement for regular mental health assessment of US presidents...???

Even if so, how do independent health inspectors enforce
a crazy vindictive megalomaniac's removal from office...??????

Do dictators mostly get happy endings...???

Americans have been quite ruthlessly effective
at getting rid of foreign dictators
no longer of any use to them...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:46 AM

At the Pentagon defense secretary Esper is trying to walk back the trump threat of the 82nd airborn being used to quell/kill demonstrations and looters as I write.
He 'tried' to distance himself from Trump's church photo op.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:26 AM

Good post Neil. In a separate post I got to the insurrection act but whose counting. The US can declare war on the US and have a Civil War.
Anything can happen. These days undeclared wars are in fashion. In the meantime I am glad to be edited and better yet corrected.

We only had one small drug store looted out here in the suburbs but NOTHING WAS TAKEN - except - for kidney medication!
I suspect Granny Gangs.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 10:21 AM

It is obliquely about him. This protest is about RACISM and the president is a racist, so there is that.

Although we can not always see beneath the surface, there are ALWAYS undercurrents.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 09:39 AM

Interesting article on Slate about how this time the protests are different because, while Trump is trying to make it about him, it isn't. Author does not mention that also, this time, nobody has a job to protect.

Article here. Might be a paywall, might not. I got to read the whole thing but when I checked the link, I couldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Jun 20 - 02:42 AM

Donuel said: He can't issue an order to have the Army to attack the demonstrators and or looters due to the Posse Comitas law. Unfortunately, not true. After the greatly muddled election of 1876, we still have no idea who really won, a compromise was made to put Hayes in office. In return for southern delegates Hayes withdrew all federal troops from Southern states, effectively ending Reconstruction. With southern politicians back in charge they tried to return as much as possible to the "good ol' days". Of course. the 13th amendment kept them from bringing back chattel slavery, but sharecropping scams, prison farms and vagrancy laws created new forms of forced labor that lasted well into the 20th century. As southern politicians returned to the U S Congress they pushed through Posse Comitatus to prevent military interference with these policies. This law did not keep Eisenhower from using the military to desegregate southern schools in the 1950s because one of several limitations to Posse Comitatus is Federal troops used in accordance to the Insurrection Act. Bottom line is that the Comitatus law is superseded by the Insurrection Act of 1807.
Most presidents have avoided this option for many reasons, not least of which is that the military is not trained in law enforcement and crowd control and is reluctant to square off against U S citizens. The last time troops were used in this regard were the Rodney King riots in L A in 1992 after Bush was asked for assistance by the governor. Using Armed Forces for policing without the consent of a state governor would have such a stench of autocracy that most presidents simply wouldn't consider it, but we all know that Trump doesn't care.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 07:10 PM

I highly recommend the HBO documentary '16 shots'.
It will answer all your questions as to - HOW?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:54 PM

Just watched a BBC news report on American police targeted brutality on journalists,
and resulting life changing injuries to a photographer...

It's so open and blatant, the cops no longer care about who around the world
sees them doing it...!!!???

That in itself sends an explicit message from the whitehouse...!!!

Trump really wants to impress his mates in the global evil dictator's club...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 04:08 PM

Sile The Spanish Inquisition - nobody expected a riot - that's wahat they are
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 02:56 PM

Antiquated is the old word. No second "i" in it.
The new one I am stealing is antiQUAINTed.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:30 PM

Jim - my problem with riots,
is I usually get out of bed to switch on my mobile,
far too late to read the invites...

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:13 PM

There is antifa and there is antifa.
One is anti fascist and the other is anti facts.
On Inauguration day Trump blamed antifa for one broken window and dozens were charged for rioting. We all know about Trump's anti facts and alternative truth.

In this time of cold truth war we are all vulnerable believing almost anything. All I have is 'what is more likely possible' and that too is untrustworthy.    So I choose to believe both boogymen exist.

It would be possible for Trump to anonymously make himself president of antifa and and stir the pot (a trick he did before in 'call in' shows back in NYC.)   In short nothing is as it seems but crime is going big time.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder by USAian police
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 20 - 01:12 PM

A bit establishment PFR
Trump's type of misrepresentation of vigorous demonstrating as "rioting" is as old as public demonstration itself
Anyboy who has been on a demonstration knows the latest hostility emanating from those there to keep the peace
I haven't been on a demo since I marched in protest at the closure of our local A and E here in our market town, but the last time I felt this hatred was when we attended The Notting Hill Carnival when a black friend offered two policemen a share of his locally-bought kebab
Peaceful demonstrations ended around the time youngsters got the shit kicked out of them outside the Greek Embassy when the Colonels were in control
I think Steve Shaw knew Blair Peach - go dig him up and ask nim how his headache is after having en killed after having his head rammed into the corner point of two walls by two jolly London Bobbies
ASK THIS LADY ABOUT PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS
Public demonstrations were really never more than paying lip-service to democracy - now that is have all but gone because people are automatically give "mob" instead of "demonstrator"
It's a bit like the rem "terrorist" - adaptable
Jim